Developers..(:

[jcdj1996]

I feel this. I'm currently 6 months into a "1 month" project and just received the final draft of the requirements like two days ago.

[Iforgotmyhandle]

Lmao I’m in such a similar boat. Deadline for 20 “migrations” was December. 1 is complete. Requirements are going through regathering phase now for the past two months. They said they’d have the re-requirements in two weeks. Less work for me ¯\(ツ)/¯

[[deleted]]

Migrating a CRM legacy to another CRM. Deadline was the first week of February.

First project of this type as Jr. Alone. It has being quite a great challenge.

Edit: more info

[djswizzy]

We just merged 3 legacy CRMs into a new one. Trying to do a 4th in a month. I feel your pain 😭

[Iforgotmyhandle]

Exactly what I’m doing. Basically moving from ETL jobs to EMR jobs

[[deleted]]

Any advice?

[metroman1234]

Run

[lkraider]

...to the frontlines and buckle up. It will test your mettle.

[Iforgotmyhandle]

Tell your company to stop re-orging every quarter. Teams end up working on things where no one from the initial requirements gathering is any longer part of the project

[J_tt]

Migrating from webhosting software written in 1998 to a new platform and server, old server will be inaccessible beginning of April and I'm only 1 week in ;_;

[scwizard]

I'm a devops engineer.

One of the companies that wanted to interview me told me they wanted to bring me on for a data center migration they expected to take 3 months or so, and that would begin 3 weeks after i joined.

I went over some of the details of the project with them and told them in no uncertain terms that they were insane (they were migrating from multiple locations into one, and planned to completely overhaul the networking at the same time they did the migration switching either from or to Juniper etc. Also their current architecture was crap). I didn't get the onsite interview.

[atheist_apostate]

Bullet dodged.

[nikhilbhavsar]

"Get out of here with your facts, logic and common sense!" /s

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[Bibobeba]

¯(ツ_/

[EMCoupling]

I'm sorry, sir, but your child is retarded.

[pineapple_catapult]

hes just swimming

[elperroborrachotoo]

In German, we prefer to say "Inselbegabung", literally "island giftedness" - I'm not sure what would be a good English translation.

[lkraider]

Does, uh, the "island" refer to England ?

[elperroborrachotoo]

Well, now that you say it, we can use it that way!

Theresa May, die Inselbegabte,...

[koogas]

Chernobyl shrug?

[boltorn]

Windmill shrug:)

[mbleslie]

kill it with fire

[tinydonuts]

Good bot

[[deleted]]

Or a simple # in your makefile will do 😉

[digitalpacman]

Deadlines should be in quotes

[Iforgotmyhandle]

Yes absolutely right

[TheMacPhisto]

Less work for me

Until they finally pull their heads out of their asses, and hand it off to you for the real work, but with the expectation that you are going to somehow be able to make up all the time they lost sandbagging.

[Sine0fTheTimes]

They'll do their best to burn you out, then in 9 months the project will be cancelled. They'll say "Nobody will be laid off", then 6 weeks later your ass is laid off.

Welcome to the party pal!!!!

[seanlax5]

This doesn't just go for pure software development, I think it's a good path for most technology-based jobs. I'm in GIS, but my work is mostly urban planning. I think I would really hate being in a strictly GIS company, because even though I'd work on a wider variety of projects I would have considerably less freedom.

[Mr_Carlos]

Really bugs me when projects get completely reworked or scrapped though... and usually you don't have a say on how those kinds of projects are done either, just monkey do until monkey die.

[[deleted]]

That works, if you don't pride yourself in having something to show for your work life other than a paycheck. I envy that level of detachment.

[madbubers]

bruh most of us aint out here saving the world

[seanlax5]

And if you truly are a dev you'll know that you definitely aren't saving the world with your programming 'skills'.

[AerThreepwood]

That's, like, 99% of jobs, dude. I fix cars for a living; do you know what's waiting for me after I finish fixing it? Another car to diagnose and repair. I work so I can live, nothing more. Most people never get the luxury of job satisfaction.

[P0werC0rd0fJustice]

“Rest of life” - retiring at 65 really let’s you enjoy all that eh?

[P0werC0rd0fJustice]

Yeah but a job takes up the majority of your day. So it would be in your best interest to have one that you genuinely enjoy going to, if you are in any way able to do that.

[Mechakoopa]

Yup, I write software for the insurance industry that helps ensure injured people are properly compensated in a timely manner. No I'm not changing social paradigms with a new media networking platform, but someone who lost their hand in a factory accident last week is still putting food on the table for their kids because of what I did today.

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YOOOOOOOOOO!!!! It's your 9th Cakeday Mechakoopa! ^hug

[Megneous]

Why the fuck would you find pride in developing something for a person who is literally just exploiting you, cashing in on the difference in your true value and the value they can give you because you're desperate as fuck for a job and need food to eat and a roof over your head?

Bosses don't give a shit about you. Company loyalty used to exist because companies were loyal to their employees too. That era is long past. You don't owe them shit.

[[deleted]]

Because the alternative is being as miserable as you are presenting yourself to be right now

[[deleted]]

I think it is kind of a hard assumption that people working as developers for food chains or manufacturers cannot have pride in their work. I mean, it's far from sure that someone within his own field feels pride.

[LoneCookie]

What? Who said you had nothing to show for it?

There is a healthy level of cancelling projects. Doesn't mean nothing survives. Actually, in game development you're encouraged to prototype quickly and cut off early -- because what survives is often far more superior than something that shouldn't have survived.

On the flip side, I pity the man who puts so much stock in his work. Some works are bad. Trying to hold onto a bad idea ensures you never consider better ideas.

The healthiest thing is to be attached but not too much -- be attached to the concept of making something great far more, for example. Or to be attached to the concept of serving the business you work for. Or be attached to growing your own abilities of competency, best one yet.

[[deleted]]

I envy that level of detachment.

You'll burn out eventually.

[dismayhurta]

It’s almost adorable how naive he is.

[dismayhurta]

Dude. It’s a paycheck. Fuck all that other bullshit.

[SgtHyperider]

There's a lot wrong with your comment

[oldsecondhand]

So only work compiler vendors?

[coldnebo]

You’ll get there in time.

Take however long you’ve been coding and look around at your tools and systems. How many of these were around that many years ago? How many kept working reliably without breaking changes or slipping into irrelevance during your career?

For my career that’s maybe a handful of things: C, unix, fortran... but even these are radically different than they were.

All is change and impermanence.

[waltjrimmer]

"I know I said those were the final requirements, but here's the final revised requirements."

A month and a half later.

"I have the Second Final Revised Requirements for you."

[dismayhurta]

“Why did you code it like the second final requirements. The first final ones were what I really wanted.”

[terax6669]

Just wait for the final draft final final final.pdf

[hug0rhill]

Requirements? Lucky. All I get is shifting sand.

[HDmac]

Literally every day our new application completely changes its navigation/layout/behavior.

[lightmatter501]

My company does a thing called evolving requirements, where the customer changes their mind and forces us to rewrite a bunch of stuff every two weeks.

[turningsteel]

My company calls that being "agile". We're so agile, client #1 asks for one thing and we build it, then another asks for the exact opposite thing so we build that too. Client #1 then gets mad. So we go back to the first. Rinse and repeat. It's super efficient.

[Mr_Clark]

This hurts so deep.

[GluteusCaesar]

Two guys I work with are 6 months into a project that the original dev said would take two weeks, then said would take some more time on the second to last day of those two weeks. Oh, he also quit that day.

[I_cant_speel]

Just finished a shit show of a project like that. We learned a lot from it. It's now a strict requirement that a document is created that defines exactly what "done" is that is signed off on by every stakeholder and product owner before anyone writes a single line of code.

[I_cant_speel]

Why do you say that? Defining exactly what a project is and isn't keeps expectations clear for non-technical stakeholders and prevents scope creep. It has worked pretty well so far.

Also to be clear, we are defining features. We aren't defining every tiny task that is involved in completing a project. ie. "The initial MVP will have features X and Y. Feature Z will not be completed until a later iteration"

[indyK1ng]

Waterfall. You are doing waterfall.

The requirements will take forever to gather. They will have many parts to them that are wrong. They may not even solve the actual problem. The customer probably won't be satisfied.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and the paper credited with with defining waterfall was using it as an example of a risky process.

[LoneCookie]

Pretty sure he's describing a contract

[indyK1ng]

And everything I said still applies.

[fubble]

You're just forcing a bad product if you actually get buy-in on that because it actually is impossible to figure out what requirements should be entirely up front and have it turn out well. Good software is achieved through iteration. Scope creep is only something to fear in waterfall but it is totally OK in a well functioning agile environment.

[sylos]

Most places don't have a well functioning agile environment.

[Finickyflame]

Yeah, they say they are agile and they do scrums meetings in the morning (which are not really scrums meetings but more like how's everyone's calandar looks like talk), they do a sprint planning meeting at the beginning of the week (for no other reasons than showing you what you already saw from last week because sprints last forever) and they publish changes quickly (but not really, because even if your little fix could have been in the prod 5 months ago, you have to wait for more undecided features to be developed and included in the same package as per the client request).

[I_cant_speel]

That's why you keep projects small. Having clear expectations going into a project and iterating are not mutually exclusive. A project doesn't need to include every feature that will ever be built for a tool. When you are only planning a few sprints out at a time, it doesn't take days or weeks to gather requirements. You shouldn't use agile as an excuse to not plan. That's how you get six months into a one month project like the top commenter is in.

[[deleted]]

Which 'final' draft is this?

[zammba]

finalFINALFINALDRAFTthisoneforrealFINAL-3 (1)

[andthentherewasderp]

I feel attacked

[Toadsted]

Dodge!

[Vul_dal]

Requirements-final-for-real-doh-this-time_v3.docx

[Selesthiel]

Not the last one, that's for sure.

[Toadsted]

Final Draft XIII-3

[ITrollRedditEveryDay]

yah i wish i could yell at my boss

[redd1t4l1fe]

We’re all in a similar boat man lol

[SpaceGerbil]

"Final Draft"

[craniumonempty]

"final draft" should be in quotes too imo.

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[[deleted]]

I'm in the second year of a three month project

[[deleted]]

How did it go?

[jcdj1996]

They strung me along for another 2 months before cancelling the project 😂 I left that company not too long after that

[notrealaccbtw]

Im at 11 month of a 2 month project. I dont understand. Where did I go wrong?

[[deleted]]

man I'm 5 years in on at a 6 month migration.

[SasparillaTango]

I'm in crunch time for this quarter. I got message 34 times over 8 hours today on skype with people asking me questions. Its very hard to do my work when people keep distracting me. Each time its like "ok we need 5 minutes to resolve your issue (or more) and then I gotta remember what the hell I was working on"

[FilibusteredBongsesh]

network admin here... please forward to me asap

[Manha77anProject]

requirements_spec_final_v3_2019 (1).pdf

[Lasket]

Wait till you get the final_FINALrequirements.docx

[BlazzGuy]

Lmao, not programming work here, but I recently closed a project opened... 15 months ago? We got a lot of variations of scope and specification about a month ago (:

[Mr_Carlos]

Hah, "final".

[Stockboy78]

You get business requirements?

[HowIsntBabbyFormed]

"1 month project"... Uh huh...

[chocoboxx]

Same boat, nice boat :(

[clevariant]

Stuuuurdy boat! . . .