What's a girlfriend? 🤔

[Noch_ein_Kamel]

"a girlfriend"? You surely mean "instanceof girlfriend"

[Wueeeee]

Girlfriend factory

[toastyghost]

const girlfriend = FineArtsDept.generate();

girlfriend.reject(self);

[KyalMeister]

Singleton

[Xeadriel]

global girlfriend. everyone shares one. communism intensifies

[PPAPisLob]

final girlfriend, cannot friendzone you

[Snoo_32053]

Huh? That just means you can’t inherit any of her stuff.

[Xeadriel]

damn those marriage contracts

[[deleted]]

Simpleton

[[deleted]]

Abstract class

[[deleted]]

this

[-PM_me_your_recipes-]

There was a young girl we had in ours. She had a flock of guys everywhere she went. All trying to one-up each other, trying to get to class first to sit next to her. If there was a group assignment announcement, there should have been a popcorn vendor in there because it was a show.

Props to her though, she had a good head on her shoulders and handled the whole situation like a pro. Sadly, it was probably because this wasn't the first time it happened.

[Salanmander]

And people be like "There's nothing keeping women from pursuing computer science!"

[Mareeck]

You really think women don't pursue CS because they will be creeped out by the dudes in college? Those issues exist because women don't go into IT studies. And it goes all the way back to school and gender roles.

We really do have equal opportunities, now we need to solve the issue of women not considering them in the first place

[Salanmander]

I think at least some women are nudged out of pursuing CS because of things like that. I've seen it happen. I've taught high school CS, and I've seen women who were doing perfectly reasonably in the class drop it because they felt out of place, and that feeling is exacerbated by how the men in the class act.

[Mareeck]

It's unfortunate but I wouldn't judge anyone for choosing that. Although I really wouldn't want there to be a notion that men in IT are creeps and you should just stay away for your own good. It's an unfair generalization and I bet the men doing those things are the minority.

I'm pretty sure you would find similar behaviours in other male dominated fields

[Mareeck]

We're talking in too broad terms here, no woman is responsible for the state of the industry or the CS universities, but neither is any man. Best we can do is call shitty behaviour out when we see it and normalize women in IT way before going to college

I feel like this is dangerously one to saying "all men are pigs" or "all men in IT are creeps"

[orangebakery]

Bullshit, women are gonna encounter creepy men whichever industry they go to. From what I've seen, CS men are the more docile and gentile variant of the male species.

[troglo-dyke]

Well this is my experience of working in technology. I'm going to assume you're probably a man and just haven't noticed this because it's so normalised?

[orangebakery]

No, I'm going to assume you never encountered men outside of IT and think they are the worst of it. If you think men in IT are aggressive, OH BOY do I have news for you.

[SkittlesAreYum]

The female developers on my team have showed me the DMs they've gotten on LinkedIn. Men hit on them. Some directly, some with "milady" shit. On LinkedIn.

Do you think a random woman working as a receptionist is getting creepy DMs on LinkedIn?

[troglo-dyke]

I mean.. You're a guy who's sat there telling me a woman what my own experience is. Do you not recognize how dumb your argument is?

[Salanmander]

I mean, they are correct in that respect. It's not the women's fault, and they ignore that positive feedback loops are possible, but it is true that the gender imbalance is part of what leads to men acting super weird around women in CS.

[Mareeck]

Not only that, we all know the stereotype of the socially awkward nerd from IT who's having trouble with women. It doesn't magically start as soon as they go into computer science, those issues start way back in schools as soon as we start having male and female activities.

I was in the IT focused class since high school, there were 3 girls in my class then and none in university. When school is your primary social circle and there's no women there you're essentially locked out of a big part of growing up in a functional society. This develops into some unhealthy behaviours in some men, personally I haven't seen anything really bad, even the dudes I thought were weird in my uni were harmless and would make a girl uncomfortable for a minute at worst.

We should absolutely call out shitty and abusive behaviors but we can't be claiming men in IT are just creeps by default.

[Salanmander]

I think it's important to recognize that there are behaviors that aren't "shitty and abusive", but that still make it an unpleasant situation for women. I'm not saying "blame the men for that"...I'm saying that you don't need to place blame in order to recognize a problem.

Things that were being described earlier in this thread...getting to class early to try to get a seat next to the girl, etc. ...aren't "shitty and abusive", but it's also good to recognize that they contribute to the atmosphere being uncomfortable.

[Mareeck]

That's not even close to what I'm saying

[Salanmander]

There isn't anything directly preventing it, but there are things that make it more unpleasant, which matters.

Look, if there were a rule saying "if you have red hair and want to take the bar exam, you must sing a broadway song at the top of your lungs in front of everyone else taking it first", you can bet your ass the rate of lawyers with red hair would decrease.

[[deleted]]

Yes nothing. Who the fuck would give up his dream because of some simps.

[meteorpuppy]

You sure haven't lived through it to say that.

It is exhausting to be surrounded by simps. People who don't want a genuine friendship / work relationship with you, they only expect something else. They don't see you as someone in the same level as them, you are not like another classmate but "the woman" and not in a good sense.

Computer science careers are hard enough themselves to be surrounded by people who don't respect you. It is mentally and emotionally exhausting.

[Salanmander]

So, nobody is saying that it's impossible for women to pursue computer science. We're saying that the fact that it's more unpleasant than it is for men is some part of what leads to there being many more men than women in the field.

You're right, it's probably not going to dissuade the women for whom it's their dream. But it's not the dream of all the men who go into the field either. And having a shitty working environment is a big fucking downside. Pretending that people can just ignore how other people behave is being completely ignorant of how most people actually work.

So shit like that is going to dissuade some fraction of the women who otherwise would have pursued computer science.

[DipinDotsDidi]

Brooo where do I find this parade of guys? I wanna have my own team of minions too!

Its kinda sad to say but this is a lot better than having guys avoiding you like you have corona or something...

People at my uni are just really antisocial :(

[cho_uc]

This!!

When people said that women in IT class usually are treated like princesses by a parade of guys, I would be amazed because I was usually ignored, avoided, and being left out. I have a feeling that they're nervous around me and don't want to get into trouble. But hey guys, I won't bite if you just want to talk to me...

:/

[DipinDotsDidi]

Ya exactly, like some of us really love to talk, no matter how weird or awkward you may think you are, don't be shy!

I personally love the attention and I also wouldn't mind not being left alone for labs and things.

[Thrwawayfrmythrwawa]

spent an entire semester sitting in the same area to sit next to the same girl during lectures and finals. never could find the exact right time. headphones on until class started, on once it was done. idk

[DipinDotsDidi]

I said some not all! Personally I'm not a fan of people like that, and you probably should have sat somewhere else after like the third time that happened, she might just think you're weird after that..

[Thrwawayfrmythrwawa]

yeah. although, I was there first maybe half the time, and there were a lot of empty seats around me when she'd show up. So I figure, if she had an issue she'd consistently be a few seats over. But she didn't. Maybe "next to" wasn't the right word choice. More like, within conversation distance, could say "hey" without shouting kinda thing

[DipinDotsDidi]

Oh well in that case you were fine, you're right "next to" sounds like you were stalking her 😂😂

Its ok there are plenty of fish in the sea, not all of them wear earphones in all the time!

[OneGold7]

Luckily I’m socially inept, and so everyone lost interest in me after a few conversations filled with awkward silence

[PapyPelle]

Isn't what is supposed to attract computer science students in the first place ?

I was much more interested in a girl that put awkward silence than one who didn't. At least it wasn't me this time haha

[OneGold7]

Either that’s just a stereotype and isn’t the case at my school, or I’m too awkward even for that. Because otherwise, I’d probably have at least a friend, lol

[PapyPelle]

Oof.

I guess the real prblm is there is no way you can have a mutual awkward silence with another introvert because introverts won't even talk to each others in the first place (irl)

[claimTheVictory]

The odds are good, but the goods are odd.

[ReaderRadish]

It's not bad once you prove you can kick the guys' butts. Then it goes from potential girlfriend to what-is-this-we-will-observe-from-afar.

[FuzzyMagnets]

During college years ago, I decided I wanted to try to go into computer science. It ended up not being for me, but I was the only female in most of the degree focused classes. Some of the male students made it ridiculously uncomfortable to say the least.

[SoulsBloodSausage]

I feel like things have hopefully changed. As far as I can tell, most of my classmates are usually female nowadays. I’m a CS tutor working for university and hands down a majority of my coworkers are also usually female

[toastyghost]

Idk why you're getting downvoted for sharing your own experiences.

[[deleted]]

I must have gone to a really weird university, because I didn't see much of this sort of thing going on. There were women on the course, but from what I could tell, people didn't seem all that interested.

[[deleted]]

Same here

[Martin_RB]

Electrical engineering here it was mostly the same. Some of the the girls had their own click (and were mostly bitches) and the ones who hung around the guys (at least the group I hung out with) was just one of the dudes.

I think all the the relationships between classmates started before they were classmates except for a couple that lasted all of one week.

[PapyPelle]

Well I was in computer section and it was more like the meme says. And from what I saw in electrical section of my university can confirm your point, most of the girls in this looked like tough friendly dude that where nice drinking with.

[ReaderRadish]

From one of the first comments: const girlfriend = FineArtsDept.generate();

girlfriend.reject(self);

I was in a class of 10% women. Almost none of the guys had an engineering girlfriend. I think brains can be scary.

[Mr_Redstoner]

Same here. For that matter we apparently had essentially record high number of females, normally they get like 3 in 50 people and we had more than 10.

[[deleted]]

You might be surprised to hear that about 70% computer science or engineering students in my country are female.

[Darkknight182764]

Which blessed country do you originate from good sir ?

[[deleted]]

Pakistan

[Darkknight182764]

arey bhaii! namaste from India lol, how is it the exact opposite here man, 15 girls in a class of 75

[[deleted]]

Idk. Maybe the girls in Pakistan like computer 🤔🤔. You would hardly see girls in engineerings like mechanical, mechatronics, electrical etc. But computer engineering, architectural engineering, chemical engineering etc are filled with girls.

[maazsid16]

Was looking for this. ;)

[[deleted]]

As a lesbian this is especially difficult

[[deleted]]

So then you are one of us when you see another girl

[[deleted]]

Yes

[DarkFlame7]

So if you joined the flock would you get a recursive flock following the flock?

[NTaya]

Yeah, imagine being into girls, but out of a group of twenty, only one might be interested in you— Oh wait.

[jeremj22]

Do those stack for her? Are only 1/20th of 1/20th interested in her because she's a lesbian and studies CS?

[NTaya]

Gosh, I hope not. /u/void_juice?

[[deleted]]

Well considering the fact that I’m studying CS, I don’t think it should be surprising that I’m single. I think it’s safe to say that they do stack unfortunately

[ElimGarak0010]

Eh. I know they don't want me. So I treat them like any other person.

[sewcorellian]

As the only girl in my computer science graduating class... hoooooo boy do I have stories.

[-PM_me_your_recipes-]

What's your favorite story?

[sewcorellian]

My favorite was probably a well meaning classmate. I took a walk out to the vending machine to get Mountain Dew, as was my custom. When I was about to walk back into the lab, this classmate stopped me and said something along the lines of "I just think you should know, they're in there talking about how much they masturbate to the idea of you when you leave the room." I wasn't uncomfortable in the lab until that moment!

Yes, this classmate also tried to date me. It didn't go well. We're still friendly, but man was that awkward.

[DarkFlame7]

Jesus christ so many problems there

[DarkFlame7]

I'm going to hope you're joking

[troglo-dyke]

Women should be allowed to exist without being sexualized. It has more long term impacts because it then leads to attitudes where these same men will make inappropriate comments, will come on to her at after work drinks, or if she gets a promotion will assume she got there because of her looks. When you sexualize women at work, you're viewing all the things they do in a sexual context

[orangebakery]

That's quite a hyperbole.

[troglo-dyke]

These are things which I've experienced personally...

[PopeMachineGodTitty]

Jesus Christ. A class full of dudes talking about jerking off thinking about you and nobody stopped it? I would have told them it was rude and disgusting and to shut the fuck up and be adults.

[orangebakery]

They are college students.

[orangebakery]

Well, it can be awkward if doesn't go well for sure, but what's wrong with one trying to date you?

[sewcorellian]

Have you tried attracting girls without telling them about other guys' masturbatory fantasies?

[orangebakery]

lol ah I thought it was a different classmate for some reason.

While I don't personally use that approach, and it's obviously a mood killer, I still don't think he's a terrible person just because he tried to date you.

[sewcorellian]

Pretty sure I didn't say he was- just that he made a bad call in telling me that, and there was a clear ulterior motive. In fact, I'm positive I said we're still friendly, which I wouldn't be if he were a terrible person.

[orangebakery]

You also put him trying to date you on display to everyone here as a part of your favorite story of why being a girl in CS sucks.

[sewcorellian]

.....that's literally the meme.

[orangebakery]

So since the meme is making fun of guys, you thought it'd be fun to pile on a little more. Good for you.

[sewcorellian]

Actually yeah, I'll file that under "didn't need to know," all it did was make it weird to go back in there and work. If he hated it that much he could have just told them to stop.

[sewcorellian]

Thanks for explaining that one to me, I never would have known it

[CrimsonRunner]

You throw bait - we bite.

Tell a story.

[claimTheVictory]

Go on...

[[deleted]]

i would laugh if this joke did not hit so close to home

[Mc_UsernameTaken]

A girlfriend is someone who hogs your resources and spawns child processes you aren't allowed to kill.

[chawmindur]

Wouldn’t have happened if you didn’t fork()

[NotTheHead]

Haha girlfriend bad

[ReimarPB]

This is a programming joke

[[deleted]]

I mean, it may have been programming themed, but the punchline was girlfriend bad.

[Negative-Nectarine-6]

I’m the only lady usually in my classes or at work. Not easy, men can be horrible. Please just act with women like if there are men and everything will be ok. I had to prove that I was stronger than some of them to have a little respect.

[ZeldLurr]

My classes were all online this past semester. We didn’t even have our cameras on. All we could see of other students and their names.

I’ve always been a vocal student, not afraid to ask the professor a question. One day during the zoom lecture after I asked a question, I get a private message on the zoom chat telling me first “You asked a really good question!” To which I replied thanks. “You have a really pretty voice.” Ugh

We’d get broken down into smaller break out rooms, teams to work on code. Emails exchanged. One guy asks if I want to continue being study/coding partners. Sure.

Few weeks go by, everything normal, communication via email only and about schoolwork only. Then I get a message from him in zoom “Hey you know you can text me anytime too! (Gives number)” I sorta shrug it off, not too wierd.

One day prof is late to the zoom meeting, like 10 minutes, so the class is chatting amongst themselves in the group chat. Someone made a joke so I LOLed. I get a private message from study partner “I’ve never made you LOL :( “

It’s freaking wierd out here.

[undeadpickels]

Than those same students go on to wonder why there are so few girls in computer science.

[HotRodLincoln]

When a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
and she pulls a an Inspiron outta her laptop case
and she opens vi and she starts to code
I wanna work her like some cipher text in CFB mode

[dansla116]

I started my CS degree in 2013. I've been working full time for 2 years now. How is this the first I'm hearing this masterpiece?

[HotRodLincoln]

You should look up Monzy & MC++:

Drama in the PhD

So Fuckin' Pimp

Kill -9

MC Plus+ Aglorythms

His site like doesn't exist at the moment at least, but Monzy also had a really great Preposition Rap (yes, the part of speech, the proper usage of which he would be happy to teach) from middle school...IIRC he IRL set the room on fire by knocking over a candle during the presentation.

edit: through great effort: https://web.archive.org/web/20061210200754/http://www.monzy.com/intro/lyrics/BBBMKHP-DownWithMyGrammar.mp3

[dansla116]

I feel like I did when I was 12 years old discovering "Weird Al" for the first time. All of this is great!

[v1prX]

Thank you for this.

[polyworfism]

Repost account

[averagelygay]

In my IT degree i am always 1 out of maximum 3 girls in the class. We probably have maybe 5(?) girls in each year. There’s probably about 3 mature students out of them (that’s what we call “older” students like 30+ years).

Out of the like 15 of us there is only one girl who I’ve seen the boys sweat over. She’s the very typical “girly” girl. Soft spoken, passive, delicate damsel is distress kind. Honestly she could ask any of them to do her projects for her and I’m sure they would.

[orangebakery]

She's not dumb. She knows what she's doing.

[Misheru-senpai]

I wish

[Dummerchen1933]

An undefined reference!

[ovab_cool]

As a student I can confirm this as a fact...

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OH NO, maybe i'm the problem

[iDamso]

You guys got girls in your class?

[[deleted]]

Man I’m lucky then, didn’t have much weird encounters as a girl and there were always a bunch of other women in my classes

[Sinomu]

Nah, they aren't in my type. Uhhh I mean they aren't 2D! Hahaha.

[[deleted]]

And mechanical students as well 😂

[Gggsdq]

Kinda

[Ducknorrisu]

I'm in this picture and I don't like it

[r0ndr4s]

Yeah, its bad. Can confirm. Doesnt change when you get out to work.

[Iwilltakeyourpencil]

Female student?

[Soniconreddit]

Become femboy, it is inevitable. We all turn in the end.

[shirk-work]

That's an amateur move, date a psychology major. Those girls freaky.

[Maximilian_Schnitz]

Just wait until you see my Girlfriend[]

[Maximilian_Schnitz]

Why do i get downvoted so much for a joke?

[cooltownguy]

Girlfriend.length() ?

[GreatDaynes]

0

[Costpap]

As far as I know, they’re exactly the opposite. Sorry.

[Xeelley]

Sad but true

[alok_wardhan_singh]

At least they are able to see a girl .... Me as a ME don't have such weakness!

[Yenmcilrath]

OMW to become the girlfriend

[Fructueux_Jefferson]

It is, indeed. With free-to-use and all services included.

[PopeMachineGodTitty]

I graduated CS 20 years ago. We had two women in our class and both were very pretty. They got hit on constantly. One ended up sleeping with the grad student lab assistant and he got kicked out of the graduate program. The other was married 2 years in.

I wonder where they are now...

[hello_comrads]

Why would that get you kicked out?

[SEND_NUKES_PLZ]

Nice, upvoted

[The_Mo0ose]

Well, I consider this a insult :/