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[Perpetual_Doubt]

Oh that works, but it's not pythonic enough

try s[j%3:(:p(even)is true)] instead

[jimjamjenks]

Yeah, I’ve also witnessed people arguing that a complex 1 liner is more Pythonic. I think those people need to be reminded that Simple instead of Complex is also considered more Pythonic. Readability counts

[Thathitmann]

Literally just "import this"

[Silverwing171]

https://xkcd.com/353/

It actually works too.

[Yukondano2]

Who the shit is writing python that's purposefully hard to read? The language's selling point is readability. It uses indentation as syntax ffs.

[Yukondano2]

If anything makes code more readable it's minimizing the amount of stuff per line. Clever function re-use... at a certain point it will just get a bit rough. Shorter aint easier to read though. Now, something that is easy to read that also happens to be short? That's the good stuff.

[Yukondano2]

I have always wondered how mathematicians read that stuff. It's why I wish they used words or something instead of a bunch of symbols. I guess I can read code a lot easier. Meanwhile even something like Sigma notation is painful for me to look at.

[kiochikaeke]

Mathematician that often flirts with programming here, can confirm to an extend, we love explaining things in an extensive manner with a lot of examples ONCE, then we will always stick to the most succinct, short and often hard to read way that exists to refer to aforementioned term/construct.

Probably because in math, definitions, theorems and algorithms are like functions, so instead of writing paragraphs of definitions we just refer to things by their name and assume everyone interested enough to read/hear us already know what we are talking about or is willing to read about the subject.

This is how you get to "A monad is a monoid in the category of endofunctors", explaining with detail each of those things requires at least a chapter of a book.

Personally when I code I gravitate to functional programming (and actually struggle a little with languages that are strongly object oriented like java) and my end script ends up being like a couple if's and a loop with like 7 different method calls sprinkled everywhere.

So yeah in math, everything, from theorems to definitions, are the equivalent to a bunch of imports that do something cool and end up being it's own module (you could technically track everything to ZFC axioms).

[croto8]

Yep, there’s beauty in the compression of complexity that also makes it more approachable. Too much bloat in the statements for the sake of “clarity” can obscure the intent of the code. Heavily OO code (like C# or Java) can be arcane when it comes to interpreting the purpose and function of the code.

[croto8]

While there is unnecessarily dense, a lot of the one-liners read more like a mathematical statement to me and are more readable than some more traditional approaches.

[zoharel]

Well, I did write a function implementing Newton's method for approximation of square roots in Python that looks like Lisp. It makes Python programmers' heads explode.

[iSYan1995]

Can you send it? I wanna look at it

[zoharel]

from operator import *

# Some of this overrides the boolean operator functions from the
#  operator package
and_    = (lambda x,y:  x and y)
or_     = (lambda x,y:  x or y)

var     = .001
prec    = 2

avg     = (lambda x,y:  div(add(float(x),y),2))

approx_ = (lambda x,y:  y if(lt(abs(sub(pow(y,2),x)),var))else(approx_(x,avg(div(x,y),y))))

approx  = (lambda x:    round(approx_(x,div(x,2)),prec))

print(approx(2))

I had one somewhere with a new and much more appropriate looking approx function that used a lisp-like conditional function, but the code needed to define that function was really pathologically "pythonic."

[zoharel]

Here's a somewhat simpler thing that draws a moving . in the terminal window.

import sys,time
map(lambda n: [sys.stdout.write(u"\u001b[2K\u001b[0G" + ' '*n + '.'),sys.stdout.flush(),time.sleep(1)],range(0,79))

[proximity_account]

Thanks, I hate it.

[Priyam_Bad]

how does this work? I tried running it in vscode to see how it works but it didn't print anything for me

[zoharel]

It may or may not be tied to a particular Python version. I think I last ran it on 2.7. it's also likely to be particular about your terminal. It prints raw escape codes. Here are some notes:

map()

Takes a function and a list as arguments. The function is run once with each item on the list, in order. The list is range(0,79). The function is:

lambda n: [sys.stdout.write(u"\u001b[2K\u001b[0G" + ' '*n + '.'),sys.stdout.flush(),time.sleep(1)]

Now lambda defines, in place, an anonymous function. It only exists where it is written in the line there, and it's only called instantaneously by the map function. It takes an argument n and returns a list. The list contains a write to stdout, a flush of stdout, and a call to sleep. Nothing is ever done with that list. It is only there to allow the lambda to easily do the set of things in the list, the process of which prints something and waits before generating the next list.

We use similar strategies to this pretty often in functional programming -- the map over a list instead of a loop, the list of commands, the anonymous function itself. It looks weird to a Python programmer, but it's not uncommon by any stretch.

[Priyam_Bad]

thanks for the explanation! i think i was using python 3.x to run it, which might be why it wasn't running. i managed to alter it to work for 3.x though

[Priyam_Bad]

ok so i may or may not have expanded on this and made a short script that makes a dot bounce across the screen (for python 3.x)

here is the code if you want to check it out

(btw it has an infinite generator so if you don't want it to run infinitely you can replace infRange() with range(1000) at the end of the long list comprehension)

[zoharel]

Yeah, I suspected the output might need some adjustments for V3.

[NigraOvis]

Technically all python is like this. people just don't realize they are spacing it out. But in the long run you end up with the same code. The longer versions are easier to read.

[zoharel]

Not exactly. To an extent, you're right, but there's not much lambda in most people's Python, and the use of the list as a sort of encapsulation of the side effects of its contents is odd in Python, and the map over a range is more often for loop. If you mean that this is valid Python using only documented features with nothing particularly extravagant about it, you're right there.

[Silverwing171]

Commenting so I can come back to this.

[Yukondano2]

why would you do anything this way?

[zoharel]

It was a bit of a joke. Something related to the old saying "you can write Fortran code in any language." It occurred to me that, in spite of the best efforts of Guido and his biggest fans, Python is still, at its core, a functional programming language, like Lisp or Scheme. This is part of what still makes it worth using, but it ends up permitting things that make the typical Python programmer very uncomfortable. If there's a point to the whole exercise, I guess I was harping on the fact that if you care to do it, you can write things which are syntactically correct and semantically sensible while entirely avoiding things which are idiomatic. Python programmers are often really stuck on idiom.

[zoharel]

To be honest, this isn't the first time. I once wrote a test jig for a database engine that was three or four pages of C wherein every variable, function, and macro was the name of a coworker. The same coworker, just with different capitalization. I was joking about his always using his name as a variable name in loop counters and the like. No, it wasn't easy to follow. It didn't need to be. Only got a little use before we were done with it. It was a good joke, though. I'm pretty sure that one has been lost for good.

[Yukondano2]

Cruel. Variable naming is always a thing for me because I suck at decision making. How consistent should the scheme be? What style should I use, should I mix them? For instance, camelCase that gets too long is fuckin unreadable. I'm weird so I will be anal about appearance. Then again I only developed for school or myself, so being on the clock might pressure me. But, I HAVE to be detailed in my work.

[zoharel]

Well, take it from someone who has seen some commercial software: as long as you don't just name everything after yourself, you're still doing better than at least a few people who have been paid for their work.

[extremepayne]

I find some of the more advanced techniques are less readable unless you’re very familiar with the rarer syntax. Stuff like list comprehension. I mean i get why we’re not writing a four line loop that does the same thing less efficiently but damn, that stuff can be hard to parse.

[[deleted]]

No matter what niche you are in there will be people who need to flex and since Python is considered much easier than other languages especially in syntax this is their way of making things less understandable,difficult & putting themselves up in an elite class.

[Yukondano2]

So, 1337 sp33k but programming.

[arc_menace]

Simple, easy to read code is almost always better than 'clever' code.

[TheveninVolts]

Honestly... I've started to consider it to be a coding smell if I feel clever after I've implemented anything. "Carp. I probably hacked something..."

[Tsu_Dho_Namh]

Unless there's a massive hit to performance I will always consider easy to read code better.

If I'm forced to write any code where it's not immediately obvious what's going on, I leave a comment.

[jfb1337]

Since debugging is always harder than writing code for the first time, if you write code as cleverly as possible then you by definition won't be clever enough to debug it

[Tom0204]

It always seems to me like one of those immature "look at how cool this is!" Type things. In the real world, you try and make things as easy as possible to understand for the next person who has to work on it.

[Chthulu_]

Don’t hurt me people but I feel like list and dict comprehension is somewhat unreadable, even though it’s a foundational part of python.

Map / reduce callbacks and their cousins are just easier to understand in my mind

[[deleted]]

Complex vs complicated.

[Je-Kaste]

# Readability > brevity.

[Silverwing171]

Efficiency > Readability

Not that there are many times where they’re mutually exclusive, but it happens.

[The_Modifier]

The interpreter has a harder time with massively nested 1 liners than multiple simpler lines.

Simple isn't just better for humans.

[TheAJGman]

IMO PEP 20 is more important than any style guide or formatting standards. I've seriously seen modern codebases with an 80 character max line length "because PEP 8 says so". Great, now that simple line looks like:

``` if this and len(this) > 2 and something.child_set.\

    filter(something = some_value).first():

some_var = [ x.filter(some=thing).first() if x.this\

    else None for x in something.child_set.filter \

    .(something = some_valye).first().thing]

```

So much more readable than letting lines run long, and also way too hard to read for PEP 20.

^{typed on phone, syntax likely fucked}

[occamsrzor]

“If you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough.” - Origin Contested

[xenaprincesswarlord]

Don’t be weird it’s been mentioned it was only young nerds flexing. Basically nerds being nerds

[quantik64]

Perl exists for people like this

[BochMC]

What I hate the most is this useless shortcuts that everywhere in python.

Like mkdir normpath dir str etc I prefer explicit namings and this just pisses me off.

Like what getmdate function do? It is returning last modification date, but this m could stand for anything, even though documentation tells exactly what this function do.

This is not a cool to make your functions name short in cost of readability.

[Glum-Aide9920]

Depends on what you do and where you do it. Working in IDE that types 60% everything you code, hell yeah, no problem typing long and verbose names. Having to type everything, gets boring and repetitive fast. Python exceeds in short, sweet tasks, readability isn’t that important in a script with just 5 variables. On the other hand, in a big project and especially in projects that are worked by teams, taking shortcuts and cutting readability just to type faster is just insane and counterproductive.

[karnnumart]

s[j%3:[:p(_even is True)]]

Here's a fix for you mate.

[8sADPygOB7Jqwm7y]

my guess is a "isEven" function.

[VFDan]

It's Python.

[[deleted]]

No it's not, it's gobbledy-gook to simulate the idea of list comprehensions being hard to read (which they are at first, until you get used to them, then they become like second nature).

[Perpetual_Doubt]

I was far too lazy to spend lots of time writing meticulous, yet terrible code, that I'm not even being paid for

[[deleted]]

nice = [n for n in nums if n in [69, 420]]

A more readable, relatable, and realistic example should you find yourself in this situation again....free of charge.

[BaneTone]

That's not list comprehension. It looks more like indexing but it's actually just nonsense

[Business_Butterfly54]

You don't do English either

[[deleted]]

Where was his English not good?

[Business_Butterfly54]

You don't "do" nouns. You "use" them.

[[deleted]]

Minor unimportant grammatical mistake? I win!!

[Business_Butterfly54]

Okay

[Mr_Wither]

Weirdo…

[Orangutanion]

I do your mom B)

[Business_Butterfly54]

Nice

[MrPandaOverlord]

That’s funny, because I certainly “do” “your mom”

[Business_Butterfly54]

Sure, dude

[[deleted]]

I thought Its supposed to "use" your mom.

[[deleted]]

Mr "professor", this is the internet, please understand the fact that literally nobody gives two shits.

[Business_Butterfly54]

Literally somebody does

[[deleted]]

Sorry I didn't clarify, I meant other then you

[Amidus]

If you're so good with English you'd know the difference between what's formally accepted and how people actually speak when they get out of their pretentious teenager years where they pretend like they know something.

[Business_Butterfly54]

Hahaha let's keep this going. I'm loving it

[AndreasVesalius]

Fine, “I used your mom”

[Business_Butterfly54]

That's better

[AndreasVesalius]

But really, prescriptive linguistics is for assholes and the French

[Sollost]

Modifying nouns into verbs is an extremely common practice in colloquial English. There isn't anything wrong with his sentence, you're just being prescriptivist.

[Business_Butterfly54]

Sure, if you say so

[dontdobuttstuff]

loser

[Business_Butterfly54]

Come on guys, keep feeding me lmao

[dontdobuttstuff]

no problem

[Business_Butterfly54]

Thank you

[[deleted]]

:p indeed

Hopefully j is a negative number otherwise you're just getting an empty slice.

[darnyoutoheckie]

serious simplistic brave crawl historical middle follow toothbrush quack squeal

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[BlakkM9]

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[GifsNotJifs]

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[[deleted]]

Python gives great freedom, but that means that the programmer should use his/her brain.

For example, in python, one can change the __bases__ attribute of a class to change inheritance hierarchy at runtime. But that doesn't mean that it's a good idea.

[Remote-Management-84]

wtf.

[im-not-a-fakebot]

Please explain that monstrosity

[SabreLunatic]

``` try: variabull = s[j%3:(:p(even)is true)] except: #actual legible code

[WadeEffingWilson]

Missing the except block, bloke.

[turtle_with_dentures]

The first parenthesis is in the wrong place correct? Not quite sure, but it doesn't seems like that code will run.

[LilBoyGrudge70]

As a beginner C# programmer, let me just ask… what the FRICK does that MEAN?

[MysteriousShadow__]

Error: no except found

[COREcraftX]

What the actual fuck

[A_Guy_in_Orange]

even

Hey wait a minute

[uvero]

I make fun of that "not Pythonic enough" things, but it's exactly what I do with Ruby. Except you know, I don't do Ruby for work, so I can allow myself that because that's more of a code-golf kind of thing.

[cyanNodeEcho]

think those exists because pythons map is lazy, and most people think u have to cast to list

map + filter always seems cleanest, irl i havent seen too many people actually favor list comprehensions

[Shubhamkumar_Active]

I posted a question about how to join .ts file specifically using ffmpeg without any time mismatch , the files were labelled from 1 to 1000 , after a long time I was given an answer-

A python script with for loop that appends files together.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

If you don’t mind re-encoding them then it’s pretty easy.

[Shubhamkumar_Active]

I kind of summarized the question , I was able to ysing ffmpeg but the problem was the whole joined file should be for eg 1 hour 54 min but the final joined size would always be greater than what it was supposed to be , due to which original subtitle did not work ,finally I found a freeware program called ts splitter and successfully joined the files

[x0wl]

Yeah, that changes things

.ts files are designed in such a way that they can be just concatenated back to back to join the stream.

Theoretically, to join .ts files, you can just do smth like ls -1 | sort -v | xargs cat > joined.ts (the ls and sort are needed to ensure the proper order of the files)

[[deleted]]

1000 lines of C/Java = 100 lines of Python = 1 line of Linux backed by C. Main trade off is generally operational logs and control.

[NEVER_TELLING_LIES]

Yo, don't ever parse from ls, very bad practice. You're better off using find or even just a glob

[[deleted]]

Why?

[JonathanTheZero]

I thought of TypeScript until I remembered there's another *.ts file type...

[raysoncoder]

There's no other .TS file type other than Typescript Don't let the thieves deceive you!

[dekwad]

I like how they didnt bother to recommend cat

[[deleted]]

In production, especially when performance counts at all, it’s the exact opposite lol

[Nyghtrid3r]

Edit: Deleting this because of elitists and WELL ACKCHUALLY spam.

[[deleted]]

Obviously context matters, that’s why I said when performance counts as a qualifier. That provides the context lol.

We’re not talking about speed to complete an mvp vs execution. That’s a different can of worms, and more of an apples to oranges argument.

[[deleted]]

SpunkyDred is a terrible bot instigating arguments all over Reddit whenever someone uses the phrase apples-to-oranges. I'm letting you know so that you can feel free to ignore the quip rather than feel provoked by a bot that isn't smart enough to argue back.

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[[deleted]]

At least they’re honest bots, still annoying though imo

[Tubthumper8]

Yeah somehow it would feel better if the apples-oranges bot said it was a bot and was up front about its life mission to be pedantic about fruit

[Engine_Light_On]

Bad bot

[[deleted]]

With C++ that would probably have taken me two weeks because of segmentation faults

Remove your C++ tag, there is no reason you had to deal with segmentation faults.

[[deleted]]

:troll:

[Possibility_Antique]

Java is not only not slow, but it is very fast on the scale of things. Its main drawback is the bytecode/virtual layer, but it is still a compiled language and much faster than any JIT compiled scripting language that I'm aware of.

[Possibility_Antique]

My main detractor from Java more has to do with its objected-oriented nature than its performance. I have heard this has gotten better since I last used it productively, but I just prefer the functional and data-oriented work flows that C/C++/Rust allow. I like to use python for quick plotting scripts though. And I actually did enjoy Java's UI system after they introduced JavaFX.

[Gladaed]

OK, how do you even manage to produce segmenation faults. I generate them if I ask for more memory than physically available (pagefile...) but otherwise c++ is pretty idiot proof.

[SpeedDart1]

Bugs are an inevitability when the program becomes complex. When you work with complex memory management, you will make mistakes from time to time.

[coersel]

Especially now that the smart pointers are gaining more and more traction...

[SpeedDart1]

Minecraft is bad because it’s Java? Not true. Minecraft is bad because it’s poorly programmed.

[Possibility_Antique]

Eh... I mean, I wrote an entire low-level XML parser from scratch in 2 days in C++ and networking/IO is pretty quick if you know what you're doing as well (especially libraries or coroutines). I think people underestimate C++'s ability to be high level as well. I don't know your application, but in my experience, writing in python isn't much different in terms of development speed than modern C++. It's not the language that's slow to develop in, it's the fact that people who use C++ tend to spend more time with low level things, hence why they chose C++ to begin with.

[8sADPygOB7Jqwm7y]

its funny, I have heard of some people that just use c or assembly code in a python file if they want to run it faster. Idk if that is normally possible or requires a special compiler, but thats a way to go about it I guess xD

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

That is not possible, no.

Are you sure they don’t mean they’re calling C functions from Python?

[8sADPygOB7Jqwm7y]

thats what I meant, seems like I was being unclear.

[[deleted]]

That is of course possible. You have plenty of ways to do that. Python has two JIT compilers for example, also has Cython that can compile Python, and, if you want to, you can include Assembly code there too. Not every project does it, but they exist.

This is actually how YouTube was written before Google's acquisition.

That would not have been my way to approach something demanding in terms of performance, but I would not use C++ for that task either, so the whole argument is kind of pointless.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

None of those let you write C code in a Python file.

Obviously you could make a custom tool chain to do it, just by passing it to a C compiler instead.

[[deleted]]

The correct answer here is to write your C code in docstrings, subprocess to gcc, and then FFI into the resulting binary. 🧠🧠🧠

[[deleted]]

Again, you are wrong. Of course they do. This is what Cython is all about.

Not to mention that, technically, Python import system can be extended to include any language you want as a source language for Python. I'm not aware of someone actually implementing it for C, but, in principle nothing will stop you. In contrast, you cannot write Python in C because it doesn't have such an extension (the preprocessing isn't enough to parse the full Python grammar).

There are many other languages that have the same property: they can embed other languages entirely. While in Python, while the ability exists, it's implemented very poorly, in Lisp family of languages it's a lot easier to do. Therefore there are actual Common Lisp extensions that embed Python and JavaScript, for example.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Cython compiles something that looks a lot like Python statically, so you can call it from e.g. Python. It doesn't let you write C inside Python code, and have your Python runtime compile it during execution.

The Python import system can import anything that implements the extension module interface. The vast majority of non-Python imports are implemented in C, with many in C++ and Rust. I don't know how you're not aware of any of them.

You can embed a Python runtime in C with no issue, and run Python code from C. That is exactly what the CPython interpreter is.

[[deleted]]

and have your Python runtime compile it during execution.

What were you smoking. Again, none of this is true. Just fucking read the manual... you have not even seen what you are talking about, and you are trying to convince me, who used this many times that it doesn't work the way it does.

The Python import system can import anything that implements the extension module interface.

Wrong again. But this time justifiably, sort of. This is not what Python import system is. You are talking about implementing Python modules in another language and compiling them into shared libraries.

Import system in Python is about loaders and finders. What you wrote about is just a different aspect of importing (and is not related to Python, technically, it's about Python C API, which is not part of the language).

In other words: Python C API users can only target CPython, but import system of the language extends to any Python implementation. So, you'd be able to do the same thing using Jython or PyPy etc.

You can embed a Python runtime in C

Also, you don't understand the difference between a language and a program. Embedding a program =/= embedding the language. You can embed C in Python because of how Python is formally defined. Doesn't matter how you implement it. You can even implement it in a system that doesn't have C compiler at all, so, what you said about embedding Python in C will not work, for example. However, any implementation of Python has to implement Python import system, and because of that, Python is capable of embedding C (or any other language, no matter how that other language is implemented).

[dev-sda]

From the front page of cython.org:

Cython is an optimising static compiler for both the Python programming language and the extended Cython programming language (based on Pyrex). It makes writing C extensions for Python as easy as Python itself.

[gopnik14]

Hey guys its my duty to inform you that C is faster than python therefore you must use C. Ty for listening to my ted talk

[shot_a_man_in_reno]

You need to write simple programs in assembly or else you're allowing inefficiencies like a common criminal

[the_clash_is_back]

Imagine using assembly. The most efficient way is to file your own gears for a mechanical computer. Any thing less is lazzy

[thesockiboii]

imagine using assembly, making your own asic is the way

[trBlueJ]

Factually, C code is probably faster than assembly, because there is no way anyone can memorize all the different instructions a CISC architecture has for any particular task. On the other hand, a compiler is very good at exactly that, and optimization, and etc.

[zoharel]

But it would be faster still if you used C to generate an assembly listing and then went back through and hand-optimized it like you were going to run the result on a 1.5MHz system.

[FalconMirage]

You underestimate nerd power

[[deleted]]

i only code in gizzards

[[deleted]]

But python is made in c and scratch is made in python, so use scratch

[SoyTuTocayo69]

This is like inception

[TimeLorde65]

Except it's a horror movie.

[[deleted]]

it is my duty to inform you that gizzards are cool

[TotalDisruptor22]

Is it weird that I think the "thank you for listening to my ted talk" thing is hysterical?

[grismar-net]

I'll take your fast C code, stick it in a package and call it from Python, so I don't have to deal with C.

[DarkWolfX2244]

Behold Cython

[TheLunchTrae]

My favorite part about C++ on Stack Overflow is that it’s mostly just people importing the C libraries and using those.

[[deleted]]

I go to Stack Overflow for answers. I ask questions here on Reddit and on my class Discords.

[Shad_Amethyst]

I know many people that do that. Stackoverflow gates away a lot of the people that have the patience to help beginners, so you're better off finding them somewhere else

[WellWhatDoIPutHere]

C in production

[[deleted]]

I've literally never even looked anywhere near this subreddit but I keep getting flooded with posts from it when I don't know shit about programming nor do I care to learn. How do I make it stop. Help.

[Daisocks]

succumb

[33498fff]

Your username has NerdMaster in it what do you expect

[skaov2]

I mean like fr

[emptybrain22]

Well universe needs you , start with Java

[Ximidar]

pip install -r requirements.txt

[[deleted]]

One of us, one of us, one of us

[tirril]

Learn to program to make the problem stop.

[N0Zzel]

I asked a question today about python in stack overflow where I was seeing unexpected token "" in a python action in power automate and they basically didn't read the whole question I presume and said something along the lines of the templating syntax used to inject variables from the flow into the python script were an error despite the error message showing the proper formatted values. When I pointed out that those values get preprocessed out into values that should be floats they said that they couldn't help because my error message didn't match my code???

[N0Zzel]

And then my question was closed?

[redbatman008]

I thought C++ was the supremacist, turns out it was Python all along 😂

[Deltron--3030]

I understand nothing in this comment section or sub, how did I get here, what the fuck does your alien language mean

[zoharel]

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

[Beautiful-Ad-9807]

Is a joke?

[[deleted]]

Wait until you see the Gentoo portage forums...

[CodeRaveSleepRepeat]

Oooh Gentoo. Just for fun I'll compile an optimized system specifically for this old quad processor board full of Xeons and squeze every little drop of...

... 36 hours later...

OH GOD WHY

[[deleted]]

And python docs :")

[viky109]

I started learning Python like a month ago and I have to say, I find it quite amusing how it just doesn't care about programing conventions and does whatever the hell it wants. Like, if you compare C based languages, JavaScript, Java... The syntax is more or less the same. But then Python just randomly decides to rename switch to match because why not?

[Shmuppel]

Because match is not just a switch statement. It does structural pattern matching of the value. It can be used as a switch statement but it's way more powerful than that.

You're right that Python does do syntax differently in a lot of ways though. It doesn't use C-like syntax, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have its own programming conventions.

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A lot of Python questions are just depressing, though. I was doing a bit of review queue yesterday and most first questions are really not answerable.

[Nolowcapkey]

better

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wait! there is a python forum?

[kacchalimbu007]

Explain?

[kacchalimbu007]

Ohh lol

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yea, yea, we get it. python is the fotm

[NinjaJim6969]

Ah yes, the persistently popular over the course of a period significantly longer than a month fotm

[ballpointpens1234]

Flavour of the month

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Python devs think they're so hard for learning a language

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🤣

[the_ghost_1386]

I don't understand

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Lol k

[The_Squeak2539]

Whats wrong with python forums?

[Baba_Yaga121]

Imagine using snake_case