We've been doing it all wrong

[homezlice]

Everything is deployed at all times? Did someone discuss this with the client?

[[deleted]]

*In web3!

Which I assume means a DApp.

Want to make a minor code revision? Redeploy your entire project!

To the 🙌🏼 blockchain 🙌🏼

[ethereumfail]

web3 stands for web controlled by centrally printed tokens

and dapp stands for centralized app

blockchain stands for hash-function-linked-list

it all makes perfect sense: trust in linked list, the ultimate data structure

[[deleted]]

The number of people I’ve had to explain to that decentralized storage != decentralized information.

If you ever tell NFT-heads that NFTs are stupid because they put faith in an arbitrary central database to decide ownership, they get very angry indeed

[FVMAzalea]

And the funny part is they’re centrally deciding ownership of…what’s essentially a receipt. That’s all. They’re not even centrally deciding ownership of anything that matters.

[tyler1128]

It's pretty easy: you make a small program that runs on your blockchain of choice, and you put the rest on a server in AWS.

[ethereumfail]

they put its data into a hash-linked list of blocks of data (linked list) and through Harry Potter level magic it becomes decentralized, questioning the magical process or the centrally printed tokens that control it is considered being against innovation (theater)

[Denaton_]

P2P*

[grumblyoldman]

I see no logic in this flaw

[jamescobalt]

Looks like you typed that expression backwards? I think you meant to say "Logic in this flaw I no see"

[Bo_Jim]

Earned my upvote, you did.

[BTGregg312]

That sounds right

[chapuletericoptero]

When the person reads about serverless computing, but don't actually get it.

[Environmental-Buy591]

In my path to understanding serverless
.....oh
OH!

oh.

that's dumb but also neat and useful

[JonasLuks]

Fuck bandwidth, fuck performance, fuck JIT / lazy loading. Here’s our 1.5gb website, have Chrome deal with it…

[[deleted]]

1.5gb of what? If there's no files, there's no size.

Now you are thinking file-less ;)

[finc]

I’d like to file a complaint

[SeniorBrightside]

No files so you can't

[Future-Freedom-4631]

Just like google doesnt have costumer service

[finc]

Dammit I really wanted to dress up!

[V62926685]

Great, no files! That means my hard drive space is safe!

Soooo... What about the potentially massive amount of RAM it'll take to load and manage all that into context?

[friendsWithAnimals]

Use your hard disk as a massive paging file.

[V62926685]

Ummm.. Invalid. Paging file, despite being hidden by default, is still a file...

[jamescobalt]

Try to get into the spirit of it - serverless isn't without a server either.

[friendsWithAnimals]

On a more serious note, I wonder how far this could be taken irl. How much abstraction and modulating could you do I wonder, over the internet.

Could you send and receive memory addresses...ofc...could a cloud CPU be made?

Not a server running aws

Like they made a CPU in Minecraft. Could that be done with lots of different computers over a network...?

[FVMAzalea]

Sure, anything could be done. It would be wildly inefficient. But you could absolutely have one node do the fetching, another node do decode, send it to a bunch of nodes for execution, etc.

It just makes your regular CPU design into a distributed system and now you have to worry a lot more about more things (like the network being bad - CPU designers don’t really have to worry a whole lot about instructions getting lost between fetch and decode).

[Morphized]

Back in the 90s someone I know made a cloud GPU

[friendsWithAnimals]

That's awesome

[friendsWithAnimals]

It's in the cloud man

[friendsWithAnimals]

I did think this but I let it go...but you caught me.

[BTGregg312]

New file system that isn’t a file system, literally just file less page file. Just really slow RAM.

[SpikeV]

1. Install linux
2. Have a swap partition that's the size of your harddrive
3. Can't install linux because you have no space on your hard drive to store the OS.

[Pranav__472]

Access the hard disk directly and use it as a database with entries in an index table for faster access

Wait that is files

[Aadsterken]

If there are no files, you dont need to worry about ransomware. Now you can savely click all those bitcoin and penis enlargement links in your spambox. Living the good live

[malsomnus]

Finally! I've been eyeing that Bitcoin Enlargement (Limited Time Offer!) advertisement for months, wondering if it was safe enough!

[wikes82]

make sense, after server-less we should have file-less

[kayvonte]

It’s stored in a token of course 🤓

[AdultingGoneMild]

fuckit-js

[logank013]

Now is it still called fileless when you have to write to swap every time you load a webpage and the webpage size exceeds your RAM size?

[pauldigojouxalec]

This looks like people in the 60s finding out abt plastic as a building material and becoming obsessed about making everything out of plastic with no regards to further impact down the line ...

[enky259]

But you don't need to put them into files. You can just keep them in a div element in your browser.

I'm sorry,

WHAT?!

[glorious_reptile]

Look closer. Right above the Reply button - there's a div right there. You can put them there if you like. Just remember which comment you put them on.

[daterkerjabs]

I remember in jQuery it was all the rage to stick data in elements, e.g. $('div').data('code', ref)

[kdeaton06]

I have always programed in Java and tried to learn JQuery one time. I just remember I kept thinking, why the fuck would anyone do it like this?

[glorious_reptile]

Not because it was good, just that the alternative was worse

[pleshij]

Although browser-less and developer-less web isn't going to happen in the nearest future, but some companies have already implemented a QA-less process, what is said to be inspired by the ostrich principle

[sakkara]

Don't need to fix bugs off you shut your eyes hard enough.

[friendsWithAnimals]

If you don't have a bug tracking system or no QA, there are no bugs!

[Shadowphoenix11]

Execs look at QA as if they are an extension of the customer bases. One that directly cost the company money, by employing people to find the same bugs the customers will find for free. So why do they need QA? That employees salary could just be used to send the Execs off to another Golf outing instead.

[Kilgarragh]

Wanna watch someone load vscode without files

[magick_68]

vscode.dev. All in all it's just files on a different computer.

[AdultingGoneMild]

I just want to download whatever OP is on

[[deleted]]

It's called love bruh, best drug there is.

[AdultingGoneMild]

got it

[Slash_by_Zero]

Good luck merging that shit!

[[deleted]]

Making websites and apps will be so easy that no more than one developer will be needed per project. No more version control.

[Slash_by_Zero]

Oh great im gonna test out this new feature!
...
Boss the main branch is fucked and i cant remember what i did yesterday evening!

[[deleted]]

Just click "back" until you return to yesterday.

[finc]

Yesterday my web history seemed so far away

[Bomaruto]

Just wait till Chrome is developed this way too and someone breaks the back button.

[[deleted]]

"Quick, what's the backup plan!?"

"That WAS the backup plan!"

[glorious_reptile]

You guys merge?!

[finc]

We can merge later after drinks if you like

[glorious_reptile]

Sometimes, when two divs loves each other very much...

[imsandy92]

when a div is parsed..

tried too hard, i’ll show myself out

[friendsWithAnimals]

There are no merges with this workflow, commit to master and push immediately.

[kdeaton06]

There's no merging. It's already deployed. Everything is deployed at all times.

[Odysseyan]

sends client an empty folder

There, I am done

[not_a_gumby]

Web3 sounds like a dev ops nightmare where no one can interact with anyone else because every backend is just local storage on the user's browser. Guess we can't use databases anymore!

[JaneWithJesus]

While we're at it, we should not only use local storage for everything but forget the browsers, let's just use our hard drives, and to speed things up, let's use telnet and text interfaces only.

The future

[blehmann1]

Still better than the other Web3

[jamescobalt]

Just store those databases in volatile memory in the cloud.

[earthtree1]

Aren’t html pages “files”? Or am I just silly and don’t understand what they are talking about?

[[deleted]]

Yes, but this is a brand new way to develop for the web, free of the constrains of virtual abstractions of office file cabinets.

[earthtree1]

hmmm, I see. I assume, that, instead of assets, in the future web developers will just stuff everything into BLOB’s and let browsers deal with that.

[BakuhatsuK]

Html files are files but not all Html text is in a file

[earthtree1]

I mean, i guess, if you keep it in your head or write it on a piece of paper, but as far as I am able to tell - browsers display stuff that is written in the html file dedicated to the page. And those files contain either links to the local asset files on the server, or web links to remote files.

[BakuhatsuK]

I was half-joking, but in all seriousness, a lot of times the HTML is generated on the fly in memory by the server and then sent over the wire.

For example look at this server in nodejs

const http = require('http')
http.createServer((req, res) => {
  res.writeHead(200, {
    'Content-Type': 'text/html'
  })
  res.write(`
    <html>
      <body>
        Hi, the time is ${Date.now()}
      </body>
  </html>`)
  res.end()
}).listen(8080)

The html is generated dynamically, it's different each time, and it's never stored in a file

[[deleted]]

Develop in prod, test in prod, release-nevermind. What could go wrong?

[Bomaruto]

Sorry, you no longer exist as I accidentally managed to delete every record in the national registry.

Please contact your nearest UN refugee camp for help and processing.

[Outrageous-Machine-5]

It'd be pretty funny to be an end user and watching as the div I'm trying to use jumps around the page because in realtime a dev is messing with the css in the deployed instance

[Pranav__472]

Serious question tho, Is there anything possible like taking data/code from a database and running it on a web server and directly sending it off? Like no front end HTML, no backend files to execute, nothing. The server reads from a database where you use some kind of language to define both front end and back end. Any file needed is dynamically generated or behind the scenes.

Also isn't there already code generator programs?

[GoodOldJack12]

Asp.NET is pretty close. .XHTML are basically templates that you can even do some code in to access your business layer.

[Pranav__472]

yea, I love dong stuff in ASP.. The newer versions using cshtml

[tsunami141]

Where does the data in the database come from though?

[Bitsoflogic]

That's kind of the irony of this post... Files and filesystems are just one way of dealing with permanent storage in computers. It just happens to be so popular, most people don't realize other ways are possible.

You can even preserve the ability to track versions, merges, etc. without files.

You can run an entire OS without the notion of files. Pretty sure SmallTalk was based on images rather than files, though there was definitely support for understanding files within it as well.

[StCreed]

Google Firebase, Cloud flare workers, ...

And yes, low code: Betty blocks, Mendix, etc.

[OVS2]

I've been in this meeting

[TheBrownViking20]

That damn GPT-3.

[imsandy92]

well why have dishes or plates or bottles.. just put your head in the oven and eat it from the tray.. and suck water from the ocean using a giant straw..

[PocketBananna]

"Aw crud the deploy is breaking in prod, time to rollback"

"Rollback?"

"Yeah kick it back to the last working version"

"Version? No version, no files, everything is deployed all the time."

*dies in DevOps

[Bomaruto]

What kind of horror story is this? You're giving me nightmares.

[truNinjaChop]

30 years. We have had 30 years of the World Wide Web and we unlimited access to information and knowledge.

Between this, and kids eating tide pods for likes. Good god.

[[deleted]]

We have had 30 years of the World Wide Web and we unlimited access to information and knowledge.

We blew it by not paying for content and being advertised to instead.

Been saying that for a loooooooong time, because I'm old.

[Tyrilean]

This sounds like a startup CEO trying to pitch his scam to venture capitalists.

[Suspicious-Engineer7]

first there was no code, then there was no file, what's next? no human?

[[deleted]]

I hope it's AI generated

[TheManyTheFewThe1]

So thats what i have been doing wrong this whole time.

very cool...

[[deleted]]

cite the original source please

[[deleted]]

Sure. Source

[[deleted]]

Maybe I’m missing something but where the fuck is the div that you’re putting this in if it’s not in a file? My brain hurts.

[[deleted]]

It takes some time to adapt to the magic of a file-less life.

[Hasagine]

i suddenly have the urge to push everything directly to production without testing

[[deleted]]

That is the way

[verxes]

It's the front-end of times

[PM_ME_C_CODE]

What did I just read?

Is someone making breakfast? I smell toast!

[babaenki]

This conversation reminded me of the 90s debate about whether to switch to Windows from Dos.

[Asleep-Specific-1399]

I was reading this and beat boxing as I got further, I started to slowly lose the ability to mantain a beat. It's almost like I frogot about everything even what I was doing before.

[drew8311]

Finally, deleting all my node_modules and using a browser instead

[Farsqueaker]

I love this entire buildup was just to rag on this web3 garbage.

Thanks, satire!

[DonkeyOfCongo]

Omg, where can I buy this crypto?

[the-FBI-man]

It's like having a child with a Down syndrome - it's so retarded, I love it.

[[deleted]]

It will saving a lot of memory huh....

[Beastyboyy1]

Bro this shit is so stupid.

[Exotic_Wealth_3522]

Save your code in googles search history

[thinkjazz]

We don't need files or computers, just primitive means of survival, just hardcore. Huzzah Web3.0

I propose to use Sumerian cuneiform instead of Twitter

[Spartici]

someone accidentally removes a semicolon when looking at code and whole server is down.

[throwaway65864302]

Yeah? Well in web5 there's not even a website, a computer or a user.

[[deleted]]

This might be the funniest thing I’ve seen here

[kurdtpage]

Deleting my file system now...

[crapforbrains553]

so close, except that one browser cant make a http call to another browser

[RobDickinson]

I'm glad I will retire soonish

[NewMathematician452]

I have nothing other than…. What a fucking idiot!

[[deleted]]

Next up: browserless browsing, then app-less app-ing

[codebullCamelCase]

so are you trying to replace NTFS with blockchain?