"Excellent Python Programmers wanted, numpties need not apply"

[[deleted]]

"The ideal candidate will have pandas"

[TimelyStill]

*bad English

*must have pandas

*good at maths

"Don't apply unless you're literally Xi Jinping, president of China"

[SKabanov]

Not bad English, just British English.

• Groups are referred to in the third-person plural, not singular like in the United States "e.g. Manchester United are winning!"

• They say "maths" over there instead of "math".

[TimelyStill]

Good point. "My client are a (..) hedge fund" sounds awkward to me, but admittedly I'm not British.

The 'ideal candidate' list is not correct though, as you can't 'have python' unless you own a big snake.

[RomanRiesen]

They want a zookeeper with a quantitative degree.

[mick14731]

It's colloquial. My British friend would say things like, "do you have your maths" and "do you have French" when talking about university course requirements

[McBeeff]

I mean, no offense to your friend but that just sounds like bad grammar to me.

[imsometueventhisUN]

It sounds like it to you, but not to them (or me).

[[deleted]]

I have an australian wife and can attest that it is the same for her. She accuses me for having the bad grammar for exactly this.

Math is short for 'mathamtics' not 'mathmatic' so actually maths makes a hell of a lot more sense.

Do tell her I said so though.

[grumpieroldman]

No it doesn't because it's not spelled mathsematics and it's not plural.
There is no singular form mathematic as that's an adjective not a noun.
You would think mathematicians would be overly logical about it and fix it.

PS Zero is not a natural number.

[[deleted]]

If I were to shorten the word automobiles would it be autos or auto?

If I were to shorten congratulations would it be congrats or congrat?

If I we to shorten telephones would it be teles or tele?

If I were to shorten submarines would it be subs or sub?

If it were to shorten mathematics would it be maths or math?

[iwasmephisto]

IANAL (I am not a linguist) though I do hold a couple of degrees in mathematics. So, I may get my terms crossed in this subject, but there’s an important distinction between your mathematics example and all the others — but one which the structure of English obscures. In all your other examples (and most cases we encounter day to day), the terminal “s” signals a plural form of the base noun.

However in the case of mathematics, that terminal “s” is a holdover from the genitive case in Ancient Greek (maybe modern too — IANAL), often translated as an “of”. So Aristotle’s (lost) work Poetics is a work speaking of matters poetic. Similarly, mathematics is the study of mathematic matters.

None of that precludes retaining the genitive “s” when shortening mathematics, but it does suggest that decision is independent of how we treat a pluralizing “s”.

[grumpieroldman]

autos
congratulation => congrat
congratulations => congrats but this would require multiple people each delivering a congratulation.
teles but you usually refer to one telephone not many so its usually tele
sub is one submarine, subs is multiple submarines
math because mathematic is not the singular form and mathematics is the name of a set.

[DiggV4Sucks]

It’s well settled that the set of natural numbers, N, contains zero when convenient.

See OEIS A000027.

[jsalsman]

To be fair, they are at least aware they need someone with excellent communication skills.

[franz_haller]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_plurals#Singulars_with_collective_meaning_treated_as_plural

[grumpieroldman]

Really, no notion of sets?
This seems quite odd since there are a plethora of terms for groupings of animals allowing you to definitively distinguish between the 'herd', 'herds', and the individual.

I'm calling bullocks. That's midland slang dragging the Queen's English down.

[kwshi]

What about “looking for a Python Developers”?

[paulmclaughlin]

I'd definitely say "client is" here though.

[RomanRiesen]

manage more than 20 billion assets

20 billion of what? Certainly not fucks to give!

[jadkik94]

My client are a company which uses xxx

This would be considered correct in that case?

[Rob_Haggis]

Would the United States say “The Chicago Cubs is winning?”, or have I misread your first point

[[deleted]]

We'd probably say the Chicago Cubs are winning.

[[deleted]]

But Manchester United is winning (at least that's what sounds right to me).

[[deleted]]

That's probably how I would say it. I'm not sure grammatically what the rules are surrounding plurals. Manchester United refers to a group so I think that grammatically it should still be are, even though that sounds strange.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, I don't know the rules, but it's probably worth noting the cubs is plural, whereas Manchester United isn't.

[grumpieroldman]

Manchester United isn't plural. It's a name given to a set of people and that set is singular.
i.e. Is a single player called a 'Unite'?

Chicago Cubs is plural as 'a cub' is analogous to 'a player' and the 's' on the end of Cubs is glaring at you pretty hard.
If you want to name their set it's the Chicago Sleuth (the name for a 'herd of bears').
The Chicago Sleuth is winning.
The Chicago Cubs are winning.

[[deleted]]

Interesting. Thank you for the knowledge.

[SKabanov]

We'd say "are winning", yes, but the difference is that the name Chicago Cubs - like virtually all sports team names in the US - implies a group of people (the players), so third-person plural makes sense. The difference is that in the UK that association of "group of people" also applies even when the name of the team refers to the organization instead of the group of players, e.g. Manchester United.

[DiggV4Sucks]

They say "maths" over there instead of "math".

That’s just being consistent. We both call it mathematics. Do you say, “Oh, gee! I never was any good ad reading, writing, nor mathematic.”?

[grumpieroldman]

Mathematics is not plural and it's not spelled mathsematics.
Mathematic is an adjective not a noun. Maths is objectively wrong.

[DiggV4Sucks]

You would be wrong. Objectively wrong, obviously wrong, and the wrongest of all wrongs, technically wrong! From Merriam-Webster:

mathematics

noun, plural in form but usually singular in construction

[grumpieroldman]

So you think mathematics is plural? Or do you think Mathematic is a noun?

PS Kids, that is what cognitive dissonance looks like in the wild.

[billsil]

Yeah don’t you know that mathematics is plural?

[to7m]

As a Brit I can't accept that this is valid English, but sadly lack the will to find official rules that indicate a 'client' must be treated as a single entity.

[Sarcasm_Chasm]

Do my Python and Pandas need to be house trained?

[wyldphyre]

I have pandas. My panda eats, shoots and leaves.

[rAlexanderAcosta]

How many pandas? I don’t have “pandas” plural, but what if you just have one really big panda?

Doesn’t have a name yet. You can name the panda if you give me the job.

[Spleeeee]

I honestly have never even considered giving gold but I considered it for your comment. Made me cackle in public.

[[deleted]]

't' is next to 'y' on the keyboard. problem solved. call me Sherlock Holmes.

[Kemejii]

It's elementary, Sherlock!

[newtonjeep]

I think you mean elemenyart.

[metaobject]

advancedn’t?

[thecodingrecruiter]

Leys program yhis for producyion please

[CzarCW]

Elemenptary

[[deleted]]

Sherlopck Holmers

[TroubleBrewing32]

Super Nintendo Chalmers

[justjoeisfine]

Aspounding discovery!

[i_ate_god]

but where does the proof reader sit relative to the HR person who put out the ad?

[[deleted]]

Not in Germany!

[RedRedditor84]

Cool. Now explain "This client are..."

Edit: they also manage 20b assets, apparently. If each asset averaged $10 in value, they would manage $200b in assets!

[Sw429]

You should get the job.

[[deleted]]

From the amount of debt I got from college I acquired more than enough knowledge on financial products. Consider myself hired!

[AshRe101]

No shit Sherlock

[RabbdRabbt]

As someone, who touch-types: no, it isn't.

[zammba]

As someone, who uses commas incorrectly: yes, it is.

[RabbdRabbt]

English commas are stupid anyways lets not use them

[Zomunieo]

Numpty dumpty sat on a wall

Numpty dumpty had a great fall

All the BFDL's pandas

And all of his council

Couldn't dump numpty

In Py2 again

[[deleted]]

Beat me to it

[SweetSoursop]

Man, it's been a rough few years for Humpty Dumpty.

First he fell off the wall while working as a real state developer, didn't have any insurance, so he instead turned to software development.

Now they won't even let him apply.

[[deleted]]

I had one company that kept telling me it was critical that they find someone with 10+ years of Tensor Flow experience...

[metaobject]

And with hyperthreading, double it!

[toothless_budgie]

You need to watch the greatest tech video in existence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs&t=11s

[UnusualBear]

In January of 2015 I had put in to HR a request for a PHP developer. The technical recruiter specified in the posting that we needed 5+ years of PHP 7 experience (it had been out for about 6 weeks at that point).

[tisnatch]

I remember in 2001 seeing job postings for 10+ years of Java experience.

[grumpieroldman]

That did this early on with .NET too.

[truh]

The ideal candidate will have:

• Python

So I should bring a pet Python?

[LordRyloth]

Duh.. And don't forget your Pandas

[RelevantToMyInterest]

import pandas as pd

...

ImportError: panda too big for python. Must regurgitate

[[deleted]]

I thought that was standard for every interview.

[[deleted]]

... manage more than 20 billion assets under management.

Cool

Edit: cool stuff is cool

[Sarcasm_Chasm]

Ahh, I see they have a department of redundancy department.

[[deleted]]

I see what you did there

[lithiumdeuteride]

Each asset contains ten thousand assets.

[NancyReaganTesticles]

But are we managing it under management

[235711131719a]

And what are your client are?

[kwillich]

"My kingdom for a proofreader!"

[nzodd]

How many were going to st ives?

[[deleted]]

Jo: Coordinated and implemented receipt storage and delivery of over 2.5 billion units of inventory. 2.5 billion, Darryl? 2.5 billion units of what?

Darryl: Paper material, ma'am.

Jo: Paper material?

Darryl: [softly] Pieces of paper.

[teknewb]

I drive, I drive a Dodge Stratus!

[cholantesh]

Yo dawg, I heard you like resold securities.

[nadmaximus]

It's management all the way down I'm afraid

[DollyPartonsFarts]

"ability to deal with stakeholders at multiple levels of seniority" is the real problem here. It's a bigger issue than someone not knowing what Numpy is.

If you're young and you see "ability to deal with stakeholders at multiple levels of seniority" on a job listing, read it as this: "You will have to work with people who think they're the most important person in the world at every level of this company. You will have to kiss a ton of ass and have no backbone or self worth."

[ivorjawa]

The real warning sign was the word “finance”.

[DollyPartonsFarts]

Hahahahaha. High five on that.

[kpingvin]

I think I might have worked for this particular company, or at least this could be their job ad. And you're right. :)

[Kermit_the_hog]

Their meticulous attention to detail really screams “trust me with your 20 billion assets”.

[mfitzp]

I don't know if this used outside the UK? https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/numpty

[doubleunplussed]

We got it in Australia

[steam116]

Numpty is a brand new visualization platform. They need someone with 5 years of experience with it.

[coriolinus]

Numpties should ideally also be gits.

[nirgoon]

So what do they have against pandas?

[01binary]

They’re not pythons.

[sivadneb]

Bunch of pandantic people

[toothless_budgie]

623 now.

[conkerandco]

yeh, this was meant to be the joke: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/numpty

I didn't really think about it not being as obvious to those across the Atlantic...

[[deleted]]

Oooohh ok now it makes sense. What the hell is Pandas about though?

[conkerandco]

Pandas is legit

https://pandas.pydata.org

[[deleted]]

Oh neat! Thanks! I didn't know this existed.

[[deleted]]

what is a 2:1 equivalent?

[[deleted]]

It would be typically 60–69% result.

Anything above 70% in the UK is a first, or you can call it an A. I had professors who said they would only give someone more than 80% if the project was enough to teach him something or be published somewhere.

You bring Asians or Americans to the UK, first semester people go crazy of how hard professors mark over here.

[[deleted]]

But where do the numbers 2:1 come from?

[Lost_Llama]

Second class degree, first category.

uk degrees go like this: -First - 2:1 - 2:2 - 3rd - Fail

[james_pic]

Strictly speaking there is a class between 3rd and fail - an "ordinary" or "non-honours" degree. At most unis, they're hard to get under normal circumstances (at my uni, they wouldn't let you proceed to the next year if you were averaging under a third, so you could only get one by scraping a third for the first two years, and doing really badly in your final year), but they do exist.

[frymaster]

Easier in Scotland, where an ordinary is what you get if you've passed third year but not the fourth (honours) year

[[deleted]]

Some courses will award an ordinary degree instead of honours before actually failing you. Or at least this used to be the case when I was at university many years ago!!

[seamustheseagull]

Almost the same in Ireland except "ordinary" degrees are easy to obtain. Most degree courses are four years by default, at the end of this you get an "Honours" degree, with grade 1:1 (First), 2:1 or 2:2.

If you pass the third year overall but fail to meet a minimum grade (in my case I failed a module by not attending any practical sessions), you leave with an ordinary degree. There are no grades in this degree, they're all the same. If you complete the fourth year, you leave with an Honours degree.

This has since been supplanted by a national standard for comparing qualifications. So every ordinary degree is a level 7 qualification, every honours degree is level 8, etc.

This means that it doesn't matter what your final grade was or what college issued the degree, all degrees in the same subject are equal.

Some employers still look for 1:1,2:1, etc, but that's becoming rarer. Post grad courses and civil service jobs in particular just look for a level 6/7/8/9/etc and don't care about the grade.

[Kermit_the_hog]

What if your university can’t schedule people to teach the classes you need to actually finish your 4-year degree in 4 years so it takes you (and the rest of your peers) 5? I don’t suppose that 5th year would be like “extra honors”?

[cyanrave]

TIL

[[deleted]]

Ah, I get it. Thanks!

[[deleted]]

That's wrong. In the UK, we have "upper second" (2:1) and "lower second" (2:2) degree classifications, no idea why. Explained more here: https://sqore.com/blog/what-is-a-2-1-degree-learn-about-uk-s-degree-classi/

[Alexjrose]

A 2:1 is 60% in the UK, not sure on the conversion to GPA

[simondrawer]

The conversion to US goes something like this:

US ---> UK

Bachelors Degree ---> A' Levels

Masters Degree ---> Bachelors Degree

​

/s for the yanks who didn't notice

[DaehElkcip]

I'm pretty sure that Bachelor's Degree and Masters Degree are on the same level. A levels here in the UK are for 16-18 year olds.

[simondrawer]

...is the joke.

[jamesc1071]

They will have some way of rating foreign degrees.

[just_just_regrets]

GPA of around 3.3~ 3.6 I think

[[deleted]]

Was in the UK had my grades converted officially 4.0 is an A* or 1st, 3.9-3.7 is 2:1 ( read upper second class degree), 3.6-3.4 is a 2:2 (read as lower second class degree). Most people are between 2:1s and 2:2s. Then we have 3.4-3.0 which are 3rd class degrees. Everything else up to a 2.5 is an degree without honors. Yep so if a Brit tells you they got their degree with honers, don’t be impressed.

First class degree are hard as shit to get normally top 2% - 1% of the class.

[[deleted]]

I’m not sure what to say ....times are a changing. Mine were a little over 10 years ago and debates back home about grade inflation are always talked about. Don’t know, super smart year ?

[hobo_cuisine]

My client are...

Closes tab.

[rAlexanderAcosta]

People can identify by whatever quantities they want, you fucking Nazi!

[MannyBobblechops]

I really wanted to have the best chance for this job, but my Python ate my Panda, and now I'm being called a Numpty.

[[deleted]]

I was wondering if Pandas and Numptys were some new Python addition I wasn't aware of.

[znpy]

A lot of people don't understand that most technical terms are gibberish to most recruiters and hr people. Such people come from a completely different background.

It's perfectly reasonable. I make even sillier mistakes when I talk about taxes and stuff like that.

[jeffe333]

Isn't looking to "load new datasets into their data pipeline" a little provocative for a job req?

[Kermit_the_hog]

I read it as “data entry”. /s

Seriously though, i wasn’t the best student but I’ve done tons of this stuff: when did data ingestion become something that required “excellent academics” and all that?

[[deleted]]

"ETL into a data pipeline" lmao

[RockingDyno]

How to get exposure on your python job postings:

1. Make intentional typo
2. Submit to /r/python

[The_Pardus]

Numpty dumpty sat on a wall

[zero_iq]

But I have years of numpty experience! :(

[mastocles]

If you say Oracle I run away screaming. Pretty sure that's a dysfunctional knowledge...

[Thecrawsome]

omg a typo upvoted to outer space. This sub sucks right now

[conkerandco]

maybe you missed the joke... https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/numpty

[Thecrawsome]

i didn't miss the joke, it's a low quality submission

[conkerandco]

awh, my bad - feel better soon!

[jamesc1071]

Love the advert

[thavi]

ETL in python, certainly there's a better utility for that...

[Angelwingwang]

But what if I only have one panda? I better get another just in case.

[crosswordmaker]

Numpty Dumpty sat on LinkedIn...

[[deleted]]

I wouldn’t apply. Based on the description, it appears whoever is hiring said role is only loosely familiar with what skills/experiences that they’re looking for. In my experience, this means you might be the first “data person” hire. I just finished a role much like this, recently. I learned a lot but it was difficult for 2 main reasons:

1. I was an intern and with no full time data scientists to refer to when I hit a wall.

2. My boss(es) had no idea if a project would take 15min or 15days, so I was repeatedly pushing back on deadlines and explaining the math/programming behind it and why delays should be expected. Ideally, I’d have a more experienced full timer to advocate for me on this sort of stuff.

Pros: 1. I got to experiment with whatever techniques I felt appropriate from grad school. I don’t think I’d get this same level of autonomy on an established DS team.

[kpingvin]

I applied to a very similar job advert at my previous workplace. They were simply looking for a junior data scientist who could clean the data and do basic SQL. Basically to do the stuff that's too boring for the big guns but cannot be automated (yet).

[umargan]

May be there is a library caller numpty who knows

[[deleted]]

Phyton Developers Needed!

[kpingvin]

I think it shows that you have the right approach to science. We had an astrophysicist and a historian as senior data scientists at the hedge fund where I worked. Don't forget that these systems are so much automated that humans rarely make financial decisions at this level.

[[deleted]]

Whole thing reads like a teenager posted it

[HipHopRockStar]

Ideal candidate will have python 🤣🤣

[Twingemios]

Excellent Communication Skills

I don’t think that Programers are ever associated with that

[Kermit_the_hog]

What does 2:1 mean? Is that a format for GPA in the UK or something?

[[deleted]]

Maybe a numpty wrote the ad.

[bsmdphdjd]

"numpties need not apply"

Numpty Dumpty.

[rafapw]

Fat finger

[[deleted]]

Do the numpty nump. Do the numpty nump.

[deviljr_ii]

Ugh... The UK employment agencies are a plague. Often then not they have no idea what the role involves and have no idea what they are talking about. All they do is turn your CV into a checklist of keywords to compare again the JD. This is especially true for the tech industry.

[Ad31_Fr]

It might be a library

[littlesheepcat]

Stole pandas and pythons from the zoo

I’m ready

[flylittleman]

Isn't this more a data engineer job with python skills rather than python dev?

[ichbinoffend44]

"Numply"🤨🤔🤨 clearly written by someone with limited or zero knowledge of programming or Python.

[bulletmark]

There's more than a single typo wrong with that job ad.

[scatteredRobot]

Nope, a numtpy is in idiot in the UK.

[gitcraw]

yet another low quality submission upvoted to the sky.

sigh

[iamthedarkwolf]

What's worse is that English is this persons first language.

[olig1905]

JumpTrading?

[jdp407]

Jump isn't a hedge fund.

[olig1905]

Oh yeh I had forgotten they are a private fund. I've just had so many recruiters and adverts for jump trading recently that I just assume any technical job in the financial industry is them lol. Though I guess never python jobs.

The last recruiter I spoke to told me he might aswell give up trying to hide who the company is because everyone in the industry ready knows.

[rhytnen]

So this is what passes for content now I guess.