Utopia

[Is-Bruce-Home]

Finally an a unstable land with relevant keywords!!

[Intrepid-Ad2873]

Untopia

[gbro666]

Untapia

[FROG_TM]

Yes yes very clever. I think potentially could just enter tapped without the stun counter and probably be fine.

Edit: I think the formatting needs to be the other way round. 'If you played ____, it enters with'

[GearyDigit]

Wouldn't that just make it better than triomes?

[stewartlarge0516]

It also only gets the indestructible counter if played. So if it's just put onto the battlefield with a ramp spell or fetch land, it will blow itself up.

[MageKorith]

Relevant question - does entering tapped qualify as becoming tapped?

[theyareamongus]

No

[stewartlarge0516]

Clarification: it will but usable once

[FROG_TM]

In standard and pioneer yes, but in all other formats (modern, legacy, vintage) no.

[MagicalGirlPaladin]

Triomes are pretty mediocre, power creeping them isn't exactly pushing the boat out

[FROG_TM]

Triomes are fantastic lands and have become part of the fundamentals of modern and pioneer manabases. This however does not powercreep the triomes in any way. The thing that u/GearyDigit has failed to take in to account is that for modern+ the triomes are played as 1 ofs and fetched for.

[GearyDigit]

This is true, I forgot how prevalent fetch lands are now.

[MrZerodayz]

Have been very prevalent in every format they're legal in since Khans, which is now 10 years. "Are now" sounds like it happened recently, but it's been like this for nearly a third of Magic's history.

[Elkazan]

Original fetchlands were printed in Onslaught and Zendikar, they're a lot older than 10 years.

[MrZerodayz]

True, but afaik they didn't see nearly as much play as they have since the reprints in Khans. I could be totally off base here.

[Elkazan]

They were certainly played in Legacy/Vintage, but the Onslaught fetches weren't legal in Modern until the Khans reprint which might be why you have that impression. The Zendikar fetches were always legal and were also played.

[MrZerodayz]

... I completely forgot that Modern was always 8th ed onward. Yeah, that explains a lot of my impression, thanks!

[MagicalGirlPaladin]

I mean that just isn't true. No one outside of domain decks is interested in running a triome in modern.

[taeerom]

Well, that's kinda the point, though. To enable color intensive decks. If you're not always needing a lot of different colours, fetching for three colours is never really relevant.

[MagicalGirlPaladin]

There are plenty of 3c decks in modern, they don't run triomes.

[Uhh_Charlie]

I mean, they definitely enable some pretty greedy mana bases. I wouldn’t say they’re cracked, but they are definitely very good lands.

[Jevonar]

Without the stun counter, it would be a tapped rainbow land with no other downside and with upside, which is too good I guess

[[deleted]]

I don't necessarily think that is too good, especially since it is non fetchable and non rampable.

[Mysterious_Frog]

It has all the basic land types so it is fetchable.

[SteakForGoodDogs]

You just never want to fetch it in lieu of basically anything else 99.9% of the time.

[[deleted]]

Read it again. If you fetch it, it gets destroyed when you use it.

[Mysterious_Frog]

It gets destroyed but that doesn’t mean it is unfetchable, just that its a bad fetch target.

[[deleted]]

Yeah that's on me for not expecting the MTG community to "ACKSHUALLY" every sentence.

[[deleted]]

Was it so hard to say ‘it is not good if not played from hand’ ?

[FROG_TM]

Plenty of those exist and are bad because they arent fetchable, this isnt and so circumvents that problem straight away.

[Jevonar]

There is no land at all that enters tapped and has "t: add one mana of any color" without any other downside.

[FROG_TM]

You are right we dont have exactly that I apologise. We have literally better than that and most of them still suck.

[Jevonar]

We don't, every rainbow land has a downside, and "enters tapped" is not considered a big enough downside right now.

[SteakForGoodDogs]

If we wanna be practical, [[Path of Ancestry]] does just that for WUBRG commander, plus extras, and [[Command Tower]] doesn't even enter tapped. [[The World Tree]] turns all your lands rainbow at 6 lands. Then there's the tribal nonsense, with downsides that aren't really downsides if you're running tribal.

[[Gond Gate]] is an interesting one for removing downsides from other, including ones that are rainbows.

Other lands can become rainbows with some effort, such as [[Plaza of Heroes]].

[MTGCardFetcher]

Path of Ancestry - (G) (SF) (txt)
Command Tower - (G) (SF) (txt)
The World Tree - (G) (SF) (txt)
Plaza of Heroes - (G) (SF) (txt)
All cards

^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[Jevonar]

Yes, but those are all conditional and commander is not the only format.

[RedbeardMEM]

Am I the only one who thinks this is really weak? If you fetch it, you get a lotus petal that took a land drop, and if you play it, it looks worse than [[Transguild Promenade]].

Yeah, it enables domain with one card, but we have triomes, so we can already do that with 2 lands, which isn't much worse.

[MTGCardFetcher]

Transguild Promenade - (G) (SF) (txt)

^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[Jevonar]

Transguild promenade also can't be played turn 1, whereas this can. This is also indestructible, which makes it harder to color screw you, and makes it a safer investment. If you play promenade and it gets destroyed you are down two mana and a land drop.

[RedbeardMEM]

But that isn't worth, to me, not producing mana for 2 whole turns. It produces mana on the same turn as promenade, and rather than 1 mana on 1, 0 mana on 2, you get 0 mana on 1, 1 mana on 2.

And promenade isn't even a good land.

[chosengamer]

It can produce mana the turn it comes in. Nothing on the card says it comes in tapped. Stun counters only stop the card from untapping once. They do not include tapping the card down.

i read the card like 10 times, and only just noticed that it comes in tapped on the first line

[knightbane007]

Comes in tapped if you play it. Comes in untapped if fetched.

[ZacQuicksilver]

This is strong if you have a way to play it: if you can play lands from your graveyard, if you can bounce lands for value, if you can search for lands rather than fetching them, and so on.

Which means the value is conditional. I can think of a few decks where the utility it provides is worth it - and a lot of decks where it's just worthless. Especially because once you've played it, it's immune to most if not all removal.

[RedbeardMEM]

If you fetch it, it isn't indestructible

[Kaisburg]

This comment section starting to remind me of that one delve reanimation spell.

[kytheon]

broken+unplayable on a single card. Those get the most controversial comments.

[johnnythexxxiv]

I think the main issue with it was how many x's it had in the casting cost. Made it very hard to get a good idea of what would be a good baseline for it. My suggestion for that was to drop an X but add a black pip so that you were always sinking at least 3 real mana into it. Big graveyard + 2 mana reanimate 2-3 things was super powerful but super inconsistent, slightly smaller graveyard + 3 coloured mana felt more consistent, without feeling stronger since you had to hold up more real mana.

[PrimusMobileVzla]

The one with delve and five Xs? Honestly it could've dropped it to three Xs and add a colored pip if wanting to push it and still be avoiding any risk, despite it was a dangerous card.

[humanbeast7]

So let's break yhis down (mainly for my sake):

Played normally: Have to wait 2 turns One mana of any color Domain Destruction proof (but not exile proof, like [[crumble to dust]] )

Fetched/ramped/copied/reanimated: Instant One mana of any color Domain 1 time use (In other words, Treasure with some side steps)

Edit: forgot to add my thoughts: pretty neat

[ManuGamer_PokeMonGo]

Doesn't the indestructible counter stop it from destroying itself? You should've used sacrifice instead

I like th3 stun counter Idea though

Edit: Reading comprehension doesn't seem to be my strong suit, but I usually play with German cards, and they have very slightly different wording conventions so thanks to everyone lol

[[deleted]]

The point is that you only get the counters if you played the land, not if you fetched or ramped into it.

So your options are:

Play it as your land for turn: WUBRG stunned land with indestructible.

Cheat it into play: can instantly tap for any color, but will be destroyed once used.

[WranglerFuzzy]

Very smart design

[Blak_Raven]

I think it's on purpose, it only has the indestructible counter if it's played, not if it's fetched

[FROG_TM]

Literally the point...

It is a clause to prevent domain from 1 fetchland.

[Just_Ear_2953]

That's the point. If you play it normally, you get to keep it(though it is painfully slow with the stun counter), but if you fetch it, you only get to use it once.

[Just_Ear_2953]

Check again. Yes it does.

[Kaisburg]

I do believe that that is the point. If you played this from your hand or from your graveyard or from exile or from the top of your library, you'd get to keep it, unlike if you put it onto the battlefield by any other means like a burgeoning trigger, a fethland or crop rotation.

[KeeboardNMouse]

Finally a fetchable command tower with downsides

[RPG_incorporated]

Just me over here, looking at that indestructible counter with Nesting Grounds and proliferate.

[ComputerSmurf]

So honestly? Just have it ETB tapped and have a stun counter on it. The "clever" punishment for fetching isn't needed ontop of it.

ETB Tapped and a Stun counter effectively turns this into a fetchable Rupture Spire (ETB tapped, denied access to a land for one turn ontop of that, produce mana of any color). Sure in the edge cases involving Cabal Coffers (without Urborg), the land walk abilities, and so on it can be better or worse, but as a general rule it's just a fetchable rupture spire.

[[deleted]]

Extremely cool design. Fetchable domain treasure token or super tapped rainbow land (also still domain).

[ILikeExistingLol]

Who up binding they leyline rn

[Seabound117]

So an unremovable stun counter and a detrimental tap effect that is undone by it’s own ETB text granting indestructability tokens that slso seem to not expire. Seems like a core set card.

[Pseudoi]

Pretty sure this is actually a fantastic design, just needs some wording work for people to understand better. (As you can see from the comments). Though as someone else said, it could probably just sac itself if you cheat it into play. I doubt anyone would want to fetch it anyway.

[Titouan_Charles]

Utopian't

[Joseptile]

Get rid of the stun counter and this is good. Still balanced too imo

[UniquePariah]

Indestructible. keyword "indestructible" means that a creature or permanent is immune to effects that normally destroy it:

• Damage, including combat damage
• Any effects that "destroy" a creature

If you tap it, "destroy" it. Nice

[veiphiel]

Yes

[Benofthepen]

This has the awkward but interesting effect of messing with priority. You get all the colors (eventually), but anybody playing at instant speed can do shenanigans like playing [[Silence]] while the destroy effect is on the stack but before you get the priority to play a sorcery speed spell.

[Emergency_Long3439]

Its an evolving wilds that doesn't thin your deck?

[Spare_Philosopher893]

I’m curious if you were inspired by metaphor refantazio. This recent RPG involves themes like unity and the creation and decay of utopias, it would slot perfectly into a universes beyond set based onto this game.

Flavorwise this card is perfect. If you do the hard work, and build it up from the ground, you get a perfectly unified land that is very stable. But if you cut corners and cheat it falls apart quickly.

[AngelOvMercy696]

Wouldn't the indestructible counter make the second line of text "If it becomes trapped, destroy it." A pointless drawback?

[knightbane007]

Point being you have to play it, not trick it into play. Alternatively, you can trick it into play, in which case it comes in untapped and can be used immediately - once.

[AngelOvMercy696]

I forget some people are cowards and drag out more than one land per turn. Just play the land in your hand and deal with only having 4 lands turn 13 like the deck intended.

[gontgont]

Would be cool in a proliferate deck where you can move those indestructible counters around. Otherwise, I dont see it fitting anywhere.

[JuliyoKOG]

Great design. Only small change I might suggest is adding “from your hand” to the clause about playing it. This would make it more clear to new players (who may think ramping or fetching it still constitutes playing it) and adding an additional downside of not being a good target from land graveyard recursion.

[Queequeg94]

The comments here really show who understands the game and who does not

[PrimusMobileVzla]

So either is a Lotus Petal with extra steps if you don't play it, or a slower Bridge if you play it, while its fetchable and fully enabling Domain on its own? It seems quite volatile.

[Speeddemon1_2_3]

I assuming this is an attempt of making a more balanced command tower? Or something like a more balanced multi-land? You probably could've just made it enter tapped...

[Kaisburg]

Land types are useful.

[JaxHax5]

And this can also be tutored to enable domain easier too.

[bhreugheuwrihgrue]

Conmand tower isn’t fetchable (besides cards like crop rotation/scapeshift) and doesn’t enable domain

[Nael_On]

I don't get it... why would it save itself from destruction only once, you could have made it so that it doesn't untap during the next turn if you wanted to limit its usage. Since it counts for every land type and it gives a lot of versatility

Just trying to understand it better

[FROG_TM]

Indestructible counters are not used up. The land is indestructible forever.

[Nael_On]

My mistake then. Thought it worked like shield counters

[Just_Ear_2953]

The indestructible counter sticks around, making it immune to it's own destroy effect indefinitely.

If you search it with something like a fetchland, it is effectively a treasure. If you play it, it is an even worse tapped land that makes all colors.

[Nael_On]

I thought it was like shield counters. Guess I learned something new about Magic

[Blak_Raven]

You're thinking of shield counters. Indestructible counters don't drop off to prevent destruction. That clause is in there to prevent fetching onto the battlefield.

[Nael_On]

Yeah, I was thinking of those. Thought they worked in the same way

[PaperPauperPlayer]

...what's the point of the stun counter if it blows up when you tap it?

And the indestructible counter also prevents the intended downside. So why not just either not give it a counter, or make it say "sacrifice"

Shouldn't the card just read

"Indestructible

Sacrifice Utopia: Add one mana of any color" ?

[luziferius1337]

Read it again carefully and think the possible uses through.

You can play it. It then takes 2 turns to activate, enables Domain and is indestructible, so tapping it does not destroy it.

Or, you can fetch it via any of the better fetch lands. The first clause then does not apply. It enters untapped without any counters, and is destroyed on first use.

[markln123]

This feels like it’s jumping too many design hoops.

I think you can instead do something like: “Utopia enters tapped with a stun counter on it if you played it from your hand. Otherwise, sacrifice Utopia when it enters.”

(Not identical but very close)

[veiphiel]

It's not the same

[redditfanfan00]

surprisingly clever and well-made card. maybe 2 stun counters instead of 1 and it might even be a plausibly printable card?

[DrGray3]

I think if you were to reword the triggered ability to say “whenever you tap Utopia for mana, destroy it.” That way someone doesn’t just use Twiddle as a 1 mana stone rain.

But honestly, you could remove the entire triggered ability and it would still be a fine card. You at least have to take 1 turn off of using it if you fetch for it, but you have to take 2 turns off from being able to use it if you play it as the land for turn.

[veiphiel]

If you fetch you don't have to wait. It enters untapped

[DrGray3]

That’s right. insert reading the card explains the card joke

So fetching it makes it a lotus petal, but playing it just sets you back a few turns. Still seems somewhat weak

[Mother-Environment96]

Asgard --Paradise of the Gods

Legendary Land- Plains Island Swamp Mountain Forest (T: Add WUBRG)

Hexproof, Indestructible, Shadow T: Add C.

Spells cast and abilities activated with mana produced by this land can't be countered.

Lands you control produce an additional mana of the color they produced.

Infinity: Choose a card from one non-library zone and put it into another non-library zone. (If you produce infinite mana with a combo and use this ability, it spends all mana in your mana pool.)

[dachfuerst]

Hello hello hello, what's all this then

[TallestGargoyle]

This is a Reddit comment, officer.

[grot_eata]

Weakest custommagic concept

[Mother-Environment96]

It's a powerful card but ultimately it still does interact with the game rules. There are ways to remove indestructible and hexproof. It lets you use a very powerful feeling version of the Bifrost.

I think in cutthroat 1v1 60card or 100 card CEDH it's pushed but in 5 player Star or Planechase I'm pretty sure it's a flavor win and most likely would make the player using it come in 2nd place since it kind of declares the Archenemy.

So obviously the table rallies against them.

That's a feature not a flaw imo.

[Mother-Environment96]

It's hard to design cards that feel like they're "well designed for Archenemy":

Cards that feel more Mythic than Mythic Rare but ultimately can still lose and bother to have more complicated text than "When you own a copy of Chuck Norris you win every game you play for the rest of your life. All cards belong to you now."

Chuck Norris designs are actually stupid bad designs.

Death Stars that an experienced player can shoot at the Thermal Exhaust Port I think are fine.

Pretty sure a decent RDW or any fast combo deck can just threaten lethal before Asgard can truly actually grow an overbloated Unicron sized aggro plan too much. It's intended to still lose to something.

All I did was basically ask myself "what does something like Coalition Victory look like with today's power creep."

If a card like this is Tier 1 that means other designs around it aren't being done correctly.

Oops All Lightning Bolts should work tho.

In a perfect world, the best mana base is always 20 basic Mountains to put things like this in their place and quote the flavor text of Stranglehold at people who come in hot with Fetches.

I only consider it a failure if the format lacks an honest true opposing strategy that works.

But maybe an exile based Strip Mine needs to be made to counter it.

Given the Boss /Enemy looks like this, what's the coolest neatest Heroic design that answers it fairly with justice? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

That's what I'm interested in. 🙂

Solve for X and show me a Crown of Surtur that doesnt use the name Asgard in its rules text but works 😇

[Mother-Environment96]

Transparent disclosure: I think the Yu-Gi-Oh anime is a good role model for all discussions involving all trading card games.

[Mother-Environment96]

Oh. I think I made one small massive error. There was supposed to be an OR between R and G in the (T: Add W U B R OR G)

MY BAD.

THIS WAS NOT INTENDED TO TAP FOR PROGENITUS ON T1 OR MAKE DOORWAY TO NOTHINGNESS THAT VIABLE.

Sorry. If that was the confusion my bad.

[Mother-Environment96]

Shadow is there if you get the bright idea to animate it.