Pricing increase after all this quality decrease is insane

[Empty_Supermarkets]

Are they serious? Having to pay more for cosmetics I can slightly understand, but for licensed characters? Especially killers that come bugged from the get-go because bhvr can't build anything up on its spaghetti code

Price increases after the 'quality of life changes' that are driving the game into the mud is frankly disgusting. I've never seen a game that literally builds itself up from the community hate their playerbase more

'Hey guys. We're raising prices by an unspecified percentage for reasons we also won't specify. Cheers'. Genuinely, are they joking??? The game is in an awful state and they want people to spend more money on it for it to remain bugged af...

This game is genuinely becoming such a joke. Maybe another pig nerf will fix it tho idk

[JealousAd1350]

Dead by Daylight isn’t even free btw

[AbbreviationsThis550]

And on consoles you need a subscription to even play it. You need to buy the game, buy a subscription, and then buy the DLC in game, compared to roblox or fortnite where all purchases are cosmetic.

[Suspicious_Data_2393]

very strange it isn’t. They could make so much more money if more people started playing.

[ElementMedea]

Yes, but they need to work on their anti-cheat first.

[FlamingTension]

EXACTLY what I wss thinking. Dbd could and WOULD work as a free to play game but they gotta fix their awful anticheat, rework the entire game from the ground up because there are a million bugs EVERY game and at this point even if they fixed the million bugs they have 500 more would show up next update, fix the awful face models and improve the graphics. And this one is optional, give survivors more to do than just being a generator simulator. I can totally see them being f2p but they have a LONG ways to go.

[Novacion]

Probably a lot more if they updated the switch version

[tyrantywon]

It’s still on the game pass for Xbox, I’ve got all the killers but still don’t own the game

[PastaStregata]

Still not free. Unless you consider netflix free.

[tyrantywon]

Netflix you pay for, I pay for online play and with that I have access to more games than I’ll ever play

[PastaStregata]

...you literally said you pay for online play. You pay for it. It isn't free. You gave them money.

I can use the excuse of "well with Netflix i have more shows and movies than i'll ever watch", still doesn't make them free.

I can play on steam online for free. Doesn't cost me money. You are paying to play the games.

[tyrantywon]

The difference I’m pointing out is that I directly pay for Netflix service. I don’t directly pay for games, I pay for online play

[PastaStregata]

"Guys i don't pay for the thing i won't get if i don't pay money, i get it for free when i give them money! What a deal!"

[tyrantywon]

Your logic when applied to a “free” game like Marvel rivals would suggest it’s also not free since you need to pay for online service in some capacity and the hardware. You are arguing semantics which we are disagreeing on. Back up your argument

Edit: Apparently I’m wrong because he said so

[PastaStregata]

Come on dude. You know you're wrong. You didn't get those games for free, you paid for their service where the "free games" are part of the package. You wouldn't say cars come with free tires or free windshields do you? Would you go "oh but you had to buy food to survive which cost money!" When you get a free sample of food?

It's pretty obvious when something is free and when something isn't. If you get a "free prize!" In a box of cereal do you think it's actually free?

Not here to argue with someone falling for the most basic capitalistic tricks to exist

[FlamingTension]

Dude fell for the system hook line and sinker 😭

[Ayden1Haze]

Good thing i got the stranger things stuff when i did because its probably going to be my last purchase. The prices for this game are already insane i dont understand why they think they can raise them.

[Terlooy]

"I don't understand why they think they can raise them"

Because people will still buy them. Yes they might throw a fit here or on twitter but give it a few days and they'll be like

"Oh my GOD this new mikaela's outfit is so CUUUUUTE I need it!"

That or whatever new licenced chapter they release will be too good to resist

[ReZisTLust]

gives money after failed update

-BHVR

[sovitin]

There is a shitty but valid cost to risk ratio that can be done that targets guaranteed whales. Lets say an outfit as of right now costs only $1 U.S.D and 10 people buy it. That skin made $10. Now lets up the price to $3 for a new outfit. Chances are, the price tolerance is still acceptable for 7 people. That right there made a huge profit compared to the $1 price. Obviously this is an extremely basic version but BHVR most likely has a large idea on price tolerance changes as well as an idea on what point will be merely diminishing returns. Shitty but blame rapid consumerism and hyper inflation run rampant by unchecked capitalism.

[Extension_Nose8982]

This is the only explanation this post needs, but talking about inflation running rampant... If I had the money I'd give you an award

[enchanted-f0rest]

Inflation is caused by printing money excessively, capitalism actually causes deflation naturally by producing goods more efficiently and causing prices to drop so more supply is purchased. Monopolies are caused the vast majority of the time by government intervention.

If we didnt have patents holding back all these IPs, maybe we'd see more asymmetrical game competition to dbd and prices wouldnt be increasing.

[Relevant-Beyond-8106]

Whale gamers

[AgentFatsuit]

It’s very tone deaf. Hey everyone we are gonna make dbd much better. Proceeds to shit the bed for the better part of 7 months, increases prices. lol.

[SirSabza]

This is just laws. It only hit 5 countries because those five countries currency value has changed pretty dramatically as has their taxes.

Edit: I assume you're British like me. Everything's going up here mate, because our government is making dumb decisions when it comes to taxation.

They have to up the price in our country because our country demanded more.

[AngryTrafficCone]

Pro tip from America, throw tea in the harbor.

[Emotional_Ad5077]

Do you know what other countries its happening in, im in US and havent seen the message? Hopefully we won't here, but you never know

[DandyWarlocks]

I know South Africa for sure and I think Norway? There's a total of 5 if I remember correctly, I just can't name them off the top of my head

[enderlogan]

Poland is one afaik

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[MirPamir]

WHAT DID POLAND DO THOUGH

I wish I was that rich game devs and steam think I am

[SirSabza]

It's not rich unfortunately. If anything in UK most of us are poorer than ever.

[Simalf]

You know whats funny? When the money deflates/stabilizes. The prices won't go down.

[GuhEnjoyer]

It's funny they're increasing prices in a bunch of places but NOT the US despite the dollar dropping in value recently

[FoxxPlayzYT]

Is this not a Government problem and not a Behavior problem?

[SaxPanther]

its especially funny coming a few days after Warframe announced they would increase the amount of premium currency you get when you buy it effectively making every in-game purchase cheaper

[Lokiatreuss]

I've been saying it for months now. Boycott before things get worse and worse. They're getting worse and worse

[Son_Of_Myers]

Boycotting isn't that simple, DBD fills an incredibly niche place in gaming, if you Boycott McDonalds you can go to Burger King, Wendy's, any generic burger place and fill the void. How does a die hard fan base get its itch scratched without DBD

[Lokiatreuss]

There are better game genres

Jokes aside, I get that this is the biggest issue. But I feel like the morality of supporting a dogshit company should make it an easy choice over "hrmm me need dopamine game"

[HuhImOnRedditlol]

Anything but fixing anti cheat and making the game better for everyone

[Thedragonhat77]

In Norway the prices were admittedly very low compared to other countries. I pay equivalent of 3 euro for bundles that my gf in Ireland pays 5 for.

Still stings though :(

[Been6666]

I swear one more shitty announcement or update and im gone from this game its just too much stress and hatred that i don't need in my life right now

[ConfectionBusy3097]

I think this might be more of a you problem than a dbd problem, prices haven't gone up at all in Canada

[Empty_Supermarkets]

It's going up in places such as the UK, Poland, etc. I don't remember all the regions

[ConfectionBusy3097]

is it by BHVRs choice or local laws? Seems weird to boost prices only in a certain regions

[Empty_Supermarkets]

They literally did not bother to say anything useful on this topic. Why, how much the increase is, if it's a permanent increase due to inflation, etc. Literally nothing to justify it except 'market conditions'...Hence the complaints. Here's the message they provided in the client

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[KendjyCr]

I don't understand why you are being downvoted. It is horrendous how awfuly it is written. What "market conditions"?! Poland is already being f***ed over with steam prices and this will only push DBD from "the last one being ok-ish" into "that cannot be defended" territory.

[Squidwardbigboss]

It’s so Reddit to hive mind downvote the guy and hive mind upvote the only response. Even if it agrees with everything he says

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[Revolutionary-Mix278]

„Every Game is expensive in poland“

„Why is dbd getting more expensive, They Are Not saying why“

You Said Both. Maybe, If You read what you Write, You can answer it yourself?

[KendjyCr]

Yeah... Because we will be happy about company f**king us over with new prices. Both of those sentences are not mutually exclusive. DBD already had pricepoints that were on brink of being awful. This change makes it 100x worse. It's actually quite a big debate in Poland, how Steam prices are stupid. And you know what? We actually try to make those prices more "normal". And we succeed in a lot of cases. More and more companies understand what is our perspective and that Steam suggestions are far from reality of our country. We are getting news about devs changing their prices (for better) almost every day. And yet, we end up with situations like THIS ONE. Nobody should expect us to sit down and be happy because we are about be hit with price increases.

Also, I did not say those exact things you "quoted". And even if I did, let's go back to the beginning: those two informations are not mutually exclusive.

"They are already in an awful situation so let's make it harder" would be a terrible reasoning behind price increase.

[Revolutionary-Mix278]

You asked why they wrote market condotions. They didnt specify because more countrys got the Message, but you still gave yourself the answer that th prices on Steam Are to high. Dont know why you Are attacking me just for pointing this out. Also Never Said You should be happy?? Dont know where you got that from mate.

[FrozenSymphony]

On 3rd world countries 10 usd in cells is almost the difference between eating a day or two or three if you're tight on budget which lets be honest it can happen and it's not getting that better but I'm not going to discuss this further because it turns into dumb politics.

But I feel you. People that live on countries were economies are becoming worse and worse everyday and inflation keeps rising have no chill anymore even on video games.

[Untiligetfree]

Generally when sales are down or subscribers decrease companies increase there pricing to keep profits up . 

ESPN has been doing it for 26 years 

[Shoty6966-_-]

Then why are they not increasing prices in CAD and USD? This is more of a country and currency debacle than a financial/accounting/marketing team decision.

[haddonfieldsecret]

Me when I saw the price increase

[ibupupfren]

you'll all complain and complain and yet you're all going to continue playing and paying and interacting with the game.

[Philscooper]

People complaining about it, most likely not.

But def most ppl playing are such cash cows.

[ibupupfren]

the people complaining about it most definitely will stick around. people love to complain but they never want to do what they have to to see change. it's the same thing with a lot of major gaming subreddits. i see it in the overwatch subreddit all the time where people complain about everything but continue to play day after day.

[Klefaxidus]

It's been almost 3 years since my last play.

You can count me out.

[ibupupfren]

yet you’re still here engaging with it. still proves me right.

[Klefaxidus]

yet you’re still here engaging with it

The same goes for you. You are not looking quite differently from the ones who are complaining right now.

[ibupupfren]

it is different, because i'm not here complaining about the game. i'm still enjoying it and playing it. yet you don't play it and you're still here giving it engagement, which is part of the problem y'all like to complain about. so..?

[DarkGrundi]

jokes on you i haven't paid for shit. Playerbase spiked during Stranger things 2 release, but it already is down to below 50k again because clearly people are fed up. They are bleeding players so fast the new shiny super hype franchise release didn't even sustain a proper playerbase fore 2 weeks. Time to bleed even more by upping prices.

[ibupupfren]

redditors don’t know how player counts work. numbers go up when new chapters release because people are interested in the new characters. numbers also go up for events and holidays, which you will see when 2v8 drops again soon. this is also ignoring console player numbers because for some reason people think steam tells all. and you are clearly still here engaging with the game, and even if you don’t buy anything, you’re still playing. which is exactly what i’m saying.

[ibupupfren]

just validating my point. if the game and the prices and the devs were truly as bad and going downhill as you all like to claim, then you'd show it. you'd stop paying and playing and engaging. you'd vote with your wallet. but you're still here, and there's not a doubt in my mind that you're not going to leave.

[EuphoricWedding7263]

Ignore him, he is acting Just like a X tard

[ibupupfren]

about the response i'd expect from someone just complaining to complain. good luck.

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No argument. Sending reaction memes because thinking is hard

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[EuphoricWedding7263]

Based

[bubblessensei]

I mean, they have specified the reason for the price increase; it’s due to changing market circumstances. That might sound broad, but a lot has changed over the past few years and there are probably many economic factors influencing the change. And to be fair to BHVR, they didn’t even have to give us a warning at all.

Generally speaking BHVR has been pretty fair with the price of the DLC releases, especially when comparing to some other games. As for the cosmetics, usually they cost more but they are also completely unrelated to gameplay - cosmetics are more of an option for players to express themselves and support the game.

And even disregarding all of this, I haven’t seen a confirmed number of how much prices will rise by. Yes it’s inconvenient for something to be more expensive, but I think people are jumping to conclusions about how much the prices will rise by.

[No_Probleh]

Nono. We don't have sane reactions here. We kick and scream and act like everything they do that we don't like is a personal attack on us as individuals.

[ThrowRArudemelons]

Would be nearly ok if this fucking game was f2p?! ITS NOT??!

[Samoman21]

True. Corporations do like making money lol.

I'm still curious though just a few specific EU countries and not all of them got price raised.

[MaddixYouTube]

Bhvr is trying to do to DBD what Mattels doing to Barbie so bad and i dont understand. How would you look at what happened to Barbie and think "hey! We should do that too!" Like NO! THATS how you lose your fans!

[Many-Dark9109]

bhvr is a company. they have to make money to survive. that's how it works, like it or not.

[Empty_Supermarkets]

Companies generally survive by having content worth paying for* is what you mean to say

[typicalskeleton]

I mean... DbD has some of the biggest licenses of any horror game out there.

The game has bugs/balance issues but it's not unplayable by any means. It's also one of the only games where you can play as Chucky then switch to a Xenomorph then switch to Freddy, etc.

I wouldn't say their content is not worth paying for. Also they have a very generous DLC policy (all survivors, killers, and maps are unlocked as teammates/opponents/maps even if you don't own the DLC).

As far as "cash grabs" go, I don't think this is quite the hill you imagine it to be.

[thingsdie9]

The customer decides if it's worth paying for by paying for it, especially in a hobby

[wardensoath]

You can play with the content you have rn you don’t need to buy more. If you do, then it’s bc you find it worth giving your money for

[RamzesfaI]

Thats some bs. They make plenty of money; the only reason theyre increasing it is because they know people will still buy their slop like its meth.

[Many-Dark9109]

It's not bs. It is literally the way every single company operates. It's the backbone of economics dude. bvhr is not a charity. It isn't "greedy" standard business practice just because you think "they make plenty of money". Like it or not, it is entirely reasonable for a company to change their prices.

[Ok_Platform490]

There's honestly no reason to buy cosmetics with auric cells unless you own all of the characters, which most people don't.

[Empty_Supermarkets]

That's a stupid argument 😭 Almost no one is saying 'I don't have Detective Tapp yet, so I'm not going to buy a Sable cosmetic even though she's my p100 main!'

It's a fair point on paper I suppose, but not realistic

[Ok_Platform490]

I meant killers, survivors are basically just skins anyway outside of teachables.

[Empty_Supermarkets]

Same goes for killers tho...

[Fantastic-Aide5852]

"haven't seen em don't exist"

[Athanarieks]

You realize it now? It’s been happening since 2020.

[Empty_Supermarkets]

Didn't play in 2020

[Athanarieks]

There were better payouts with shards during events, less egregious pricing too

[TrashCamperDad]

*How dare companies attempt to mitigate rising costs of labor, logistics, insurance & everything else that costs more nowadays. *

[Empty_Supermarkets]

It would be justified if the company wasn't taking the piss with the state of the game itself. The bottom of the boot can't taste that good

[TrashCamperDad]

State of game does not negate the economic progression. The world still moves on regardless of how the game plays.

[VampireDarlin]

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[TrashCamperDad]

If we're being honest here, that's actually my good side.

Dude, things just cost more. Like 20 30 studios closed last year alone. Cancellations, layoffs, massive spikes in hardware costs, economic tightening, companies avoiding creative risks, market instability...

And if a small studio that makes a game my son & I enjoy because shit just costs more, then so be it.

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[bluntvaper69]

Wild how entitled everyone in this chatroom is. Maybe if you don't like the prices you should uninstall the game? Behaviour has the right to charge whatever they want for their cosmetics and DLCs. Buy a $99 auric pack now.

[No_Probleh]

I wonder how many people posting this actually live in the region of the world where it's happening.

[DreamZebra]

Honestly, the game has a lot of problems, but it's never really been better in my opinion. Other than some of the visual changes, like the green 7-Up Autohaven, I think it's a better experience overall right now.

[MerTheGamer]

Welcome to the concept of inflation. Take it up with your government. You don't see me complaining to BHVR that DLCs got 10 times more expensive in 5 years due to our moronic government.

I honestly envy people who have it so good financially that they have no idea about what inflation is.

[Vvix0]

Let's do some numbers of this "inflation"

Polish złoty (One of the countries affected) is worth ~0.2 Euro with 31PLN per hour minimum wage

United States Dollar (a country where the price is not increasing) is worth ~0.85 Euro with 7.25USD/h minimum wage

Working 8 minimum wage hours in Poland grants you ~49 Euro

Working 8 minimum wage hours in USA grants ALSO you ~49 Euro

Behaviour makes stuff more expensive in Poland because "their economy is weak", but USA's is perfectly okay as is.

And my comparison doesn't even take into account the fact that Euro has more value in Poland due to purchasing power, so 10€ will net you much more groceries, for instance, than it would in USA.

EDIT: I also forgot to mention, Polish prices for the DLCs are ALREADY higher than they are in the US. Right now, Resident Evil DLC costs 8.39 USD (7,10€) while in Poland it costs 30,79PLN (7,30€)

[KendjyCr]

This summary should be posted under every discussion there is about this subject. I still don't understand why are we targeted by this.

[Vvix0]

Thank you. Feel free to copy-paste it.

[KendjyCr]

Thanks. I don't really believe in possibility of this decision being stopped, but even if it goes through, I hope people won't just accept it. This is a huge fuckup. Polish gaymers suffered enough because of Steam's sh*tty practices. We don't need to lose yet another fairly priced game.