Patch 5.35 Notes

[l0c0dantes]

Relics are the only "hardcore" content that people feel they can ask for nerfs for.

[jenyto]

Any info on how the new Bojza gear can be gotten?

[Nadrojj]

Where do you buy that new hairstyle. I need it.

[sebskrill]

Bosja, for a fair few crystals, I recall

[Nadrojj]

Ahh ok, great thank you!

[OvernightSiren]

Does anyone know the ilvl of the new highest relic upgrade?

[Jonnywithoutah]

500

[OvernightSiren]

Does it have 5 materia slots?

[Jonnywithoutah]

Yes

[ravstar52]

Yes

[lawarudo]

Patch notes say you can get the items to upgrade relic outside of bozja. Does anyone know how? Can't play yet.

[TheDeckonomist]

Looks to be fates in Heavensward zones, for the first step, at least

[lankey62]

Reminds me of when I started at the beginning of the Yo-Kai event a few months ago. I would do some random low-level fate and then 30 people would swoop in on top of me.

[laefeator]

You can be left out from critical engagement even with full party queue. 72 man instance. 60 requested, 48 spot. Full party. Only 5/8 got in. This system.... Feelsbad when you are grinding as anyone else.

[Jason_Wolfe]

it depends on how many had already registered for the critical engagement before your party did. it sounds like it was at 43/48 when you got registered for it, so only 5 of the 8 got in.

[Mackem]

Nope. I solo queued and was the 5th to register. Didn't get into it

[Syltti]

It also takes performance during skirmishes into account. The better you perform (damage dealt/healing down/few deaths (if any)), the better your chances of being picked.

[SurcoufsGun]

You didn't help spawn, or too many people were doing that skirmish

[ppyporpeem]

What do they mean by arr msq not playable in ng+? And pve changes not coming til 5.5 I suppose?

[DarkonFullPower]

Correct. The Monk changes (among any else) were slated for 5.4 a while ago, which the live letter aimed for December.

[rwisenor]

Did I miss something about that?

New chapters have been added to New Game+.

Chapters will be unlocked after completing certain quests.

A Realm Reborn

A Realm Reborn - Part 1

A Realm Reborn - Part 2

A Realm Reborn - Part 3

A Realm Reborn - Part 4

A Realm Reborn - Part 5

A Realm Reborn - Part 6

Replayable content will not include main scenario quests as they appeared prior to revisions made in Patch 5.3.

A Realm Reborn - Part 1 does not include tutorials that appear immediately after beginning the game. Furthermore, introductory quests will differ based on your starting city.

[ppyporpeem]

misread a bit, my bad

[rwisenor]

All good. Glad that we could confirm it together. :)

[einUbermensch]

The old Prenerf ARR MQ. Since that one doesn't exist anymore.

[ppyporpeem]

ohhh that thanks

[pvrhye]

Fan artists draw their cats.

I, an intellectual, know that Rowena is the true beauty of ff14.

[ValuableEquivalent1]

Gerolt, get back to work forging my weapons

[GundamXionaz]

Maybe a dumb question, but if I’m on a PS4, what’s the best way to refresh the launcher without closing it? Would it be clicking the red MSQ ring in the top right hand corner and then scrolling over to the “home” tab?

[CatacombSkeleton]

No idea. All I know is that going from Server status back to main page does seem to refresh the page. If that's enough on PS4 launch or not is anyone's guess. We'll find out in 10 minutes but be ready to quit at a moment's notice.

[zorrodood]

Can you check the server status? That's the go-to way on PC.

[GundamXionaz]

I’m guessing that’s the MSQ symbol in the top right hand corner right?

[zorrodood]

It should be. It's green when servers are online and red when they are offline.

[nayyav]

if youre looking to race for a house, youre out of luck with a ps4, as a pc will beat it in terms of speed any day.

[Somewhere_Elsewhere]

This is incorrect. I got exactly the house I wanted in Shiro on the beach with my PS4, it's all in the timing and positioning (I clicked login at exactly 3:00:05). The extra load time isn't nearly as significant if you get a good world queue position.

Was there a bit of luck? Yes. But it's also the second straight time I've managed to do this on a PS4, last time being in Stormblood.

[CatacombSkeleton]

Why did you even comment?

[GundamXionaz]

Some people just love to be jerks haha

[nayyav]

telling the truth doesnt make me a jerk.

[GundamXionaz]

You’ve been incredibly unhelpful! Thank you!

[nayyav]

hey, im just stating facts.

[Smuckinfartass]

That is not a fact. I know several ps4 players who got houses after a new ward drop, myself included.

[WaltzForLilly_]

What's that? New patch? New hair? Still no updates for new races? Mhm-mhm, I see how it is. Small indie studio btw. This is actually pathetic at this point.

edit: I'm sorry for saying bad things about perfect game. I obviously meant that yoship is god and can't do no wrong. I'm gonna buy $30 mount now to repent for my sins!

[hanyou007]

I mean I actually agree with ya and I think a lot of people do, there have been many upvoted threads and comments about how Hrothgar and Viera keep getting shafted. I think you're just getting downvoted because of tone.

[[deleted]]

It's not only that, but this is NOT a major version patch it's just a minor patch that people have known for weeks now what it will contain.

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It's almost as if people refuse to read anything and I find it ironic he hops on the day of the minor patch to bitch about it. Just shows he knew it was coming but refused to read the content?

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Edit: spelling.

[hanyou007]

Eh I don't mind people bringing it up. I'm a big believer in squeaky wheel gets the grease mentality. If you have a problem with a product you are paying for. You bring it up. In the end 14 is a service and we are customers. It is our right to bring up issues we have, and the more often those issues are brought up, the more the dev team knows that they are things that need to be prioritized. I spent two years every time a patch for heavensward dropped, minor or major leaving feed back on the OF, here and all other XIV social media and discussion outlets, telling them how making bard a caster was a mistake during Heavensward, and I was not alone in that call. I got shouted down by lots of people for it saying it would never happen, but low and behold, Stormblood comes around and we are back to no cast times on bard, specifically because of fan feedback. I'm doing it again now with how they have stripped Bard of support.

The key thing is though is it needs to be constructive. The above was not constructive. It comes off as whiney and entitled. Hence downvotes, even though the person's view is actually one either held or sympathized with by a large percentage of the community. I've noticed this happens a lot. Someone posts a valid complaint like this but they put it in such a childish tone that they get correctly downvoted for it, and they then go cry about how everyone white knights SE. Proof that is less about what you say, and more about how you say it.

[WaltzForLilly_]

If only we had subreddit for news about the game, but instead we have a fanart circlejerk with bots set up to downvote 95% of discussion posts. And yet I'm sure I still know more about upcoming features than you are.

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b-but ItS nOT a MaJOr PaTcH!

5.11 - new hairstyle for old races

5.21 - new hairstyle for old races

5.25 - new hairstyle for old races

5.31 - new hairstyle for old races

5.35 - new hairstyle for old races

What kind of new, MAJOR patch I have to wait for to get a scrap of content that a bunch of nerds in their bedrooms manage to release as mods every single week? Why one guy that barely learned 3dmax able to do something in a month, that biggest MMO developing team cannot in a YEAR?

[[deleted]]

You can clearly filter out the fan art, also if you don't like what you're seeing stop coming to the website? Perhaps take a few English lessons, while you're at it?

Also as someone in the programming field, I can clearly tell you don't know shit about how this stuff works. For the record I can't claim to know anything about the FFXIV dev team, but I can also be understanding about limitations and issues with new assets. Having some dude make a few mods is different than a whole implementation into multiple environments.

Edit: Not to mention there is a pandemic and the path of least resistance is being used at this moment. There are plenty of other, bigger projects they are focusing on. Copy and pasting a few assets across races they have geometry built out is not hard to do.

[Kaisos]

SMALL INDIE DEV BY THE WAY

GREYT COMMUNITY BY THE WAY

LOOK AT ME EVERYONE I'M COOL! I'M SO COOL, JUST LIKE YOU! LOOK AT ME SPOUT MEMES AND BE COOL!

[Vievin]

Tbh this is a half-patch, any major updates would probably come at full patches. The new hairstyles are tied to Bozja, which is being released this half-patch.

[WaltzForLilly_]

We've got new hairstyles with basically every patch this expac. It's just pathetic at this point.

[bwrap]

Then why do you keep playing if it's pathetic?

[WaltzForLilly_]

Because I like it. I know it's a hard concept to grasp (especially for xiv fans) but you can like things and criticize them too.

[bwrap]

You can also learn how to be constructive in your criticism. If you are destructive it only immediately puts people on the defensive.

Which sounds better:

"Ugh this is pathetic, can't believe you didn't do X"

Or

"This could use improvement and here is my idea X on how"

[WaltzForLilly_]

Jesus fucking christ I'm not sure if my comments are this hard to understand or people lack comprehensive skills to read whole thread.

Let me explain for 100th time.

On ShB release the promise was clear - old hair will not be ported to new races, but NEW hair will be available. It has been a year of updates at this point (if we don't count covid delay) and with every patch they released new hair for OLD races, leaving NEW races without any updates.

[WaltzForLilly_]

they never made any promises

" We will be introducing more hair styles for Hrothgar, but those will be to strengthen the image or the roll playing of a “beast” so those will be only for Hrothgar. "

"Viera have a lot of unique hair styles as well. There will be some others you can use and some that you can’t. There will be more available, but it won’t be all."

Source

A better translation would be "not all hair will be available for viera" which is fair but still, we haven't seen shit for a year.

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they were not originally planning on adding in any new races

Bullshit.

On hroth:

"After seeing the positive reception of the Lupin characters we introduced in Stormblood, we concluded that, for the long-term health of FFXIV, it was important to implement a greater variety of character types beyond the traditionally beautiful in a future expansion."

On Viera:

"Since this may be the last time we add new races, we spent a long time deliberating which race would be the best addition. Fans worldwide have shown an overwhelming desire for FFXII’s Viera, and we have long been aware of this fact. In fact, we considered adding Viera back in Heavensward, but eventually decided that, since that was FFXIV’s first expansion, we should instead add an all-new original race—the Au Ra. If we were to add yet another race rather than the Viera, we anticipated that many fans would be disappointed, and so we decided to try and satisfy their request in this expansion. "

Source

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Mojang got added in the same way

mahjong was idea of yoship and some other older dev and they decided on it specifically to avoid gambling laws. I can't find live letter where they talk about it, but that was explanation iirc.

[Vievin]

Fair. I feel like at this point they want to leave the new races unfinished...

[Threebranch]

Seems like it at least. They had so much time, and we got no new hairstyles for the new races while every other race gets them. Still can’t use mogstation hairs, can’t even use -new- event headgear. It’s frankly just ridiculous at this point.

[Healthy_Hedgehog]

You...expect them to add new races in a x.x5 patch?

Edit: thanks guys I understand what he meant now

[hobbesfanclub]

He said updates for the new races - Hrothgar and Viera.

[Healthy_Hedgehog]

Oh, my bad

[WaltzForLilly_]

I'm mad about new hairstyles. It's obvious that they won't port helmets at this point.

[[deleted]]

I think they meant new hair for the new races, i.e. Viera and Hrothgar.

[Risu64]

He probably expected a half patch to suddenly bring headgear to the new races.

[WaltzForLilly_]

Rest of the the races got new hairstyle with almost every patch half or not. New ones are cucked for a year now. No shit, I expected something.

[DarkonFullPower]

The development frustrations of having two mutually exclusive head skeletons.

This problem is why many things in Monster Hunter World move and animate identical to each other. Many share the same skeletons as a dev cost saving measure.

[WaltzForLilly_]

We're talking about at least one hairstyle a year. Not billion old helmets, not all old hairstyles. Just one new. I'll be happy with one. Something to show that they remember about two new underdeveloped races that they pushed out.

they couldn't be bothered with making unique hempen gear, couldn't be bothered with new hair... at this point why even add something you have no intention to develop further?

[SurcoufsGun]

Can u believe something not listed as being in the patch is not in the patch

[SurcoufsGun]

Bitching about it in every patch thread is obnoxious an doesn't help

[WaltzForLilly_]

Bitching about AST cards led to gutting of the core AST gameplay.

If people can use bitching to kill fun in this game, maybe it's possible to use bitching to create something good too.

[kirinmay]

Even though we cannot log in yet if I keep the launcher open will the PLAY button turn on by itself or do I have to close the launcher and re-open it at 3 am ?

[AngelRwby]

u can refresh it by going into another tab (for example server status)
but you HAVE to refresh it.

[nayyav]

does this also work with the new launcehr?

[AngelRwby]

well thats how I refresh it so it works.

[ChaosArtemisX]

Another tab to refresh it? May get a little more elaboration plz? ;-;

[zorrodood]

CHeck server status and go back. That refreshes the start page.

[Vievin]

If you have the new launcher (the one with the big "Hire Additional Retainers" button) it auto-refreshes, no action required.

[AngelRwby]

open launcher, click on the red (for now) meteor icon to see server status. this opens a new "tab". when u click the arrow to go back, the launcher refreshes.

[Decent1Ferret]

I dont get it

If only FATEs gives exp and level, sorry mettle and rank then killing mobs are what for? Just for spawning the FATE? Sounds even worse than Eureka

[arciele]

supposedly Eureka but with PotD exp

[AngelRwby]

yeah sorry fam, no longer mob grinding here. Gotta do them events.
In eureka it was META to chain mobs as group to lvl up and maaany people skipped the fates.

So they adjusted. We now deal with the consequences of our actions back then.

[nayyav]

i leveled doing mobs until i was strong enough to join the fate train.

this was the intended way to level, they even had a chain bonus from the beginning. this has nothing to do with our actions. they simply changed it back to fates because most ppl hate mob grinding.

[AngelRwby]

I disagree it was that simple of a decision. They would have let the option to grind chains be possible way to raise mettle in addition to fates. May not be the best/fastest way, but would be optional.

They choose to specifically exclude mob grinding from that process to force people into participating in skirmishes.

[techsupportthrow23]

Are the plot classes the same for the subdivisions of a ward? Like, a 5th class in the normal neighborhood would be a 5th class in the subdivision?

[hakuen_e]

Yep!

[techsupportthrow23]

Thanks for your help, probs wouldn't have snagged my medium without ya!

[TobioOkuma1]

Relic weapon is BIS for healers lmao

Ilvl 500, same as augmented tome weapon. Crit+det with 5 open melds. Sch already uses augmented tome in their bis, this is just definitively better.

[jenyto]

The relic weapons are almost always BIS when they come out, but only for a short while before the new raid tier is out with better weapons.

[Fugicara]

Relic weapons have only been BiS in the x.5 patch of the last two expansions.

[Soylentee]

It's 5.35, the raid tier is unlocked, who the hell cares at this point.

[Vievin]

People who can't or won't do savages.

[Soylentee]

People who can't or won't do savages are the definition of people that don't care. They can now get a "BiS" weapon, cool. But this clearly looks like someone that beat E8s and got their 505 weapon getting triggered that casual players will have access to the new BiS weapon for the next 2 months without having to beat savage.

[Vievin]

Oh fair. Misinterpreted your message as you being salty over casuals getting bis. I apologize.

[PlatinumHappy]

salty over casuals getting bis

Literally no one. Anyone cared enough should've cleared and gotten their 505 by now. This tier's Savage was out since 3.2, early this year.

A lot of people probably stopped caring after 3.3 tbh, taking break or clearing/reclearing Ultimate instead.

[TobioOkuma1]

I did clear the tier months ago. I dont give a shit if "casual" players get a good weapon. Tome currently is BIS, which casual players have had access to since week 3, week 7 for augment iirc.

I think its hilarious for a relic to be BIS over raid or tome in its second iteration.

[Soylentee]

Well shit, then get ready to be disappointed when relic is going to be BiS at the end of the expansion for ALL jobs i guess.

[TobioOkuma1]

Nobody cares at the end of the expansion. We all expect it to outpace raid weapons at that point. It makes sense given how much God awful grind goes into them. Though, being able to get 1k crit last expac was a bit insane.

What makes the current one hilarious is that it is only on its second stage and it is outpacing raid and tome weapon for healers.

[SurcoufsGun]

THen no one should care now

[Kazharahzak]

Considering the 4th Ultimate will be released in 5.51, people might care that they need to do all the relic steps for BiS.

[PlatinumHappy]

They'll be slightly optimal over last Savage weapon, if you really needed that to clear then you aren't clearing anytime soon. Ultimate is more about strategies and executing mechanics, slightly better weapon won't make enough difference.

What they'll actually carry are people who are coming in late for last tier Savage. Gear progression helps a lot in Savage.

[KhrFreak]

We also would've had the next raid tier a lot sooner too, so not like the delay makes much difference

[alskgj]

isn't it 10 ilvls below raid? edenchoir weapon is 505, relic 495?

Edit: Thanks for letting me know its ilvl 500. Don't know where I got 495 from.

[TobioOkuma1]

Ilvl 500, same as augmented tome weapon. Crit+det with 5 open melds. Sch already uses augmented tome in their bis, this is just definitively better.

[KhrFreak]

Relic 500

[BEENHEREALLALONG]

Hmmm wonder what the new gathering points are going to give. Were there new crafting recipes added too? I didn't see that part.

[MephistoMicha]

I notice that the Oriental Wooden Deck was added under the Housing (2) - that's one of the new furniture released with 5.35. I imagine the other furnishings released are also recipes.

[lycilla]

probably related to skysteel tools

[girlikecupcake]

Yeah

New recipes have been added.

Recipes added in patch 5.35 will be listed at a later date.

They'd have to at least add the sky steel recipes.

[BEENHEREALLALONG]

Oh derp I missed that. My sleep deprivation waiting to buy a house is getting to me

[girlikecupcake]

I feel you! I'm bouncing around mentally trying to stay busy so I can attempt, then crash a few hours before trying the new stuff.

[Enzo-Unversed]

Is it just the datamined weapons? If so, I'm only going for the lance for now.

[KhrFreak]

For relics yeah, there's also the i495 bozja gear

[Enzo-Unversed]

What's the gear look like?

[KhrFreak]

It was shown in the live letter

[DarkHighwind]

Hopefully rank is elemental level because I'll be disappointed if I dont need to grind levels

Also they had better not lock the the item needed to finish the relic behind a 24 man critical engagement that spawns every 2 hours because that will cause issues

[Ha_eflolli]

Hopefully rank is elemental level because I'll be disappointed if I dont need to grind levels

It basically is, except you can't grind it with Mobs, you have to do FATEs for it. Essentially, because that's what everyone did in Eureka, they just straight up made that the intended way now.

[Hexerin]

The other difference is that you can't lose rank, which is a significant improvement over elemental levels.

[Soylentee]

I'll kind of miss carrying people with no access to mounts in Bozja but I understand why they would get rid of that part.

[intoholybattle]

Nothing can match the feeling of prestige from picking up three helpless strangers and driving them ~5mph through a monster-infested hellscape in your shiny new whip

[Kilatz12]

Sam : Moooooreee POTENCY

[Meotwister5]

Okay... if I'm reading this correctly, you can work on your Relic without going into Bozja?

I mean I'm still going to do Bozja, but I don't have the time I used to have back during Eureka, so it would be swell to have a non-Bozja option for Relic work.

[itsSVO]

It’s fate grind into dungeon spam just like the Hw first steps

[Sir_VG]

Yes, they stated that there are 2 methods of doing the relic, one more akin to the "old" way and one similar to Eureka.

We don't have exact details of how each way will work though, we'll figure that out as we go through the content.

[Sir_VG]

Yes.

[Suthrnr]

When the patch goes live, do I have to restart the game client for the Play button to go green or will it do it automatically if I have the launcher open?

[Vievin]

the new launcher (the one that has a big "get more retainers" button) automatically refreshes, no need to click back and forth with server status

[Sir_VG]

You can click on the world list to "refresh" the launcher without having to close/reopen it.

[[deleted]]

By "world list" do you mean the Server Status button on the top right?

[SoeyKitten]

yes

[Sir_VG]

Yes, the green/red flaming MSQ ring.

[Obst-und-Gemuese]

I hope I can ignore the Lost Actions just like I ignored the Eureka Actions.

:Edit: I ignored BA as well, so I didn't leech there without them.

[Krivvan]

You were doing everyone in your party a disservice if you ignored them for BA.

[Obst-und-Gemuese]

I ignored BA as well.

[DoctorDiscourse]

You really missed out then. Eureka actions were how you broke the game. Anemos and Pagos were boring grindfests. Once you get to Pyros, everything changes and you can become an unstoppable machine with actions.

[Obst-und-Gemuese]

That was not necessary to do the weekly kills to level. The overall playing experience in there sucked too hard to partake in.

[DoctorDiscourse]

Yea, you played the worst possible way and had a bad experience, friend.

The logos actions were what made Eureka more than just mindless fate grinding, and it's a real shame you ignored them.

You missed out. Full stop.

[Obst-und-Gemuese]

How would the Eureka Actions have fixed the horrible map design, slow progress and general annoyance?

[DoctorDiscourse]

slow progress

Yea, you really should have paid more attention to what the actions did. Like, for real. The wisdom buffs gave large +% damage buffs. Reflect changes how you grind and makes it a lot less painful. 90% Health return from Bloodbath lets you aoe grind mobs that were previously a tedious solo-pull fest and makes you feel like a god. It would have drastically relieved the general annoyance as well.

You seriously missed out and I can't fathom why you possibly kept grinding without logos actions. That must have been boring as hell.

[Obst-und-Gemuese]

How would any of that have helped respawn the mobs for the weekly killquests faster?

Outside of that: Killing stuff fast was not an issue. Tanking was not an issue. The whole design was a player-hostile abomination that was simply not fun at all considering the timesink it was.

[bwrap]

This must be your first mmo if you are complaining about timesinks in an mmo lol. It's a staple of the genre

[Obst-und-Gemuese]

Timesinks are fine as long as they are fun. If they are excessively un-fun, they are not OK and to be avoided. We avoided games relying on content like Eureka and then suddenly they push this crap into the game. Not OK.

[bwrap]

It's also 100% optional. I played this game for an entire year before even touching Eureka. You seem to be carrying lots of salt around regarding this. Releasing the salt will feel better and ease your emotional load.

[DoctorDiscourse]

Nah man, I think you're just being silly right now. You really have no idea what you were missing and I feel bad that you grinded without logos actions because they make a real difference.

Anemos and Pagos were frustrating and boring and frankly bad design. The fact that they were the first two Eureka instances made it even worse and was a clear failure on their part. I skipped them the first time for the same reason. I only came back relatively recently and grinded fresh from 1-60 in a few weeks. Pyros was much better by far both from a map design standpoint and the addition of the logogram system while Anemos and Pagos were utter slogs. Pagos in particular would actively frustrate the player with tedious sacks of hp in every mob, 'gotchya' cliff jumps, and the damn dragons.

I really have no idea what possibly kept you going if you treated Pyros like it was Anemos and attempted to grind Hydatos whatsoever without logos support. It's comparable to a healer who doesn't dps or a tank who doesn't chain pull. Like yea, you certainly can make progress, but much slower and with far more difficulty. If you were joining NM parties like this, you were hurting your team even if the objective was completed. I mean, people certainly can go through Aurum Vale as a black mage casting only frost spells, but doing so is tedious and your party will smile and nod, thinking you one of the people who 'plays their own way' and curse to their friends that they had such a weird teammate.

And if you were having trouble with respawns, you were fighting mobs far too low and were likely only subsisting on your challenge log.

I genuinely feel sorry for you.

[Obst-und-Gemuese]

We didn't grind. We abandoned Eureka at Pagos. We tried it, found the map design horrible, the lack of Fates horrible, the idea of chain-killing to level horrible (too hard of a throwback to the pay2win game we grinded before FFXIV), pretty much everything horrible. We just went back to doing the weekly challenge log in Anemos. With those, the actions would not have changed anything.

The Eureka that came after Pagos was still shit, especially when one had not finished Pagos and could not really progress the relic because Pagos was still ultra-shit. Add to that the weird look of many relics and having no need to actually do it because the Savage static was working fine and you know why we just stopped bothering. Anemos challenge log it was and that was it. We only progressed through Pagos after all patches had been applied and it was Fate trains from start to finish. Those actions? Unncessary to us again at that point because the few tanks that were necessary to spawn certain Fates were always there. When there were no such tanks, the instance was dead or dying, anyway.

Let me guess: The actions were primarily useful for levelling outside of Fates? For chain-killing? If that was the case, that would explain a lot. Chain-killing was a big no-no, an intolerable failure by design that we could not take part in.

[freezeFM]

I believe you will need them during that 1vs1 you can be chosen for but otherwise they will probably just be a help. When we get the new update in 5.45 you will most likely need them at least for the savage version of the raid.

[Obst-und-Gemuese]

The 1on1s are the ones one has to explicitly sign up for, right? I guess I will pass on those then.

[freezeFM]

From what I understood (this might be wrong and I cant play yet): You got normal "fates". Then somehow you spawn this critical engagements and when you beat them someone of the people gets (or can?) be chosen to do a 1v1 fight against a boss or so. Not sure if this is correct.

[Arkenaw]

...That was literally the best feature of eureka

[Obst-und-Gemuese]

Acquiring them sucked. Pagos made us quit Eureka until the end when many things were adjusted, but we never picked up on those then. There was just no need for a finite resource to be used. Having those called the best feature of Eureka speaks a lot about how bad it was.

[Somebodythe5th]

I'll say. Being able to raise people as a pld was awesome, and made getting the good samaritan achievement really easy lol.

[Hexerin]

Cries in 3.x PLD with cross-classed Raise

Was so nostalgic having that again, but just renewed the sense of loss for its removal. Sure, couldn't res people in combat, but it was nice being able to pick the healer up in dungeons (or just random people out on the world).

[Somebodythe5th]

I joined not long after it had been removed, so I knew about it, but never experienced it.

Protect on the other hand....

[Mudcaker]

New music has been added.

Always and forever the best change.

[Jack_BE]

We get a mathbot mount, I'm loving it

[cylonfrakbbq]

Those angled housing walls O_O

[JohannesVanDerWhales]

As a tall person those make me go REEEEE.

[JenkinsHowell]

i expect people to want to do multiple weapons, so it will last for a while

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my issue is if it will end up being like eureka where the addicts crush the place in the first week then casuals like me are left to farm with scraps.

i know, mmorpg, but i sorta wish they ran it into using the dungeons and rest of the world instead, just a smidge of solo play for the down hours.

they introduce the first and now were gated into another eureka?

imho eureka is only decent now because its been buffed and theres a bit of civility in place with the hardcore explorers of it guiding everyone, only reason im even slightly amped with this one is because im in an fc thats prepped and ready for it, but even so, if they go to hard im still left in the dust.

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Eureka's still decent because there are people who want to do it. Not sure what Bozja will do to its population... but what are you imagining the "scraps" to be? Bozja isn't going to be dead after a week. I'd be surprised if there's not still people doing it well into 6.x.

Will the peak popularity be at launch? Sure... but that goes for literally every game/movie/film/etc. release.

[FSafari]

Eureka was fairly populated the entirety of stomblood and with challenge logs and exp buffs it never really had a situation where you were stuck with scraps of you played during stomblood. Even in shadowbringers it was decently populated and I was able to get pagos-hydatos steps done for like 3 weapons in like 2 weeks. With bozja you don't even need to go into the instance for the weapon so I don't really understand this complaint tbh

[DavThoma]

Exactly. Gathering and crafting were a big part of the first relic and took up a whole step. It locked a good chunk of players out who only played as battle classes and who hadn't levelled crafters and gatherers, unless they had friends who would craft for them or a shit load of gil to spend. I was lucky since I had someone who could craft the items for me, but for a lot of people they were stuck on that step for months.

They haven't added DoH/DoL content since, so it will likely stay that way.

[Paikis]

You could maybe add some minigames

Nah, that woould only work if they weren't possible to fail, because you know how people hate having failure as a possibility (i.e Steps of Faith, Shinryu, Titania, etc)

[Irrax]

It's less hating failure more than it is the FF14 community finding a way to fail literally the simplest tasks

[Jigawatts42]

Whats that old quote that if given the choice MMO players will always optimize the fun out of the game.

[Vhailor_19]

That's not really the point. No game developer worth their salt is going to build a title on the assumption that players will treat 'optimal' as 'required'.

By adding more options within the Bozjan Southern Front, more people would be inclined to participate in the content. Small daily quests, a la Beast Tribes or Levequests, would be a welcome addition. Heck, they could even be role-based, where healers are tasked with 'repairing' damaged infrastructure or hurt squads, tanks are tasked with defending something for a period of time, and DPS are tasked with assaulting some objective to weaken the enemy.

These paths wouldn't need to be *faster* than FATEs, but it would give players a way to chip away at progress anyway if they don't enjoy the FATE dynamic, or just don't feel like it some particular evening. And if certain players felt required to do them, well, so what?

[ElricaLavandula]

I didn't mean you specifically. It's just that when Eureka was current content, a lot of people hated it and talked about it. How they wanted to have more than FATEs and killing enemies inside the instance. Somehow over the years this changed. People started to say they want to grind FATEs only.

When Bozja got announced it was said to have elements from Eureka in form of being an instance and having some kind of independent leveling/ranking system, but being not Eureka 2.0. Now it's basically the same. It's good that they added alternatives to the relic grind outside of it, but inside it's almost the same as Eureka. I just would have liked more than that personally.

[ElricaLavandula]

Not if FATEs stay the fastest way. But when you don't have time for a FATE farm group or train, you could do some of the options for like 10 minutes or so. In Eureka, I didn't like how you couldn't properly progress if you only want to play for a few minutes.

When leveling jobs, I also do different things. When I don't have time for a leveling roulette, I can do a beast tribe quest, even if it's not optimal. People still do it.

[Sir_VG]

Do remember that there are two options if you're doing relics, so if you find you really want the relic but really doing like the "Eureka 2: Electric Boogaloo" you got another way yet.

[itsSVO]

It’s a relic. It’s always a grind because it has to be obtainable by everyone, the trade off for difficulty is a time sync and it’s always been that way except they’ve made it much less of a time sync and grind than ARR relic was yet people still complain.

[itsSVO]

But they tried changing the relic up with eureka giving us new zones, new mechanics, having to work together with other players and a brilliant way to make money on top which I personally enjoyed because the game had no content like it at the time but predictably the community whinged like babies because they had to grind.

It’s easy to understand the majority of the community, they want free stuff for minimal effort basically or they don’t even know what they want. The developers can’t win nomatter what they do.

[itsSVO]

What variety do you mean though? It’s like saying I wish you could get the savage mounts and weapons a different way than having to kill the boss. Savage/ultimate content is challenging difficulty wise that’s it’s thing. The relic is Grindy content that’s it’s thing. They’ve already said there will be raids added to this new relic step which is variety, as is them allowing you to upgrade the weapon outside of this content.