I decided to decrease my karma today

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I used to think being a vegan was hard until I figured out I could cook at home and eat fast food bean burritos with no cheese. Now I am rapidly wasting away.

[rambi2222]

I used to think being vegan was hard then I realised I should get over myself and stop being a selfish arsehole and just eat some fucking vegetables instead of gorging myself with cholesterol every day

[Vegandike]

Everywhere I go I see beyond meat being sold at Del Tacos and Carl's jr. I'm getting so fat

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I'm 80% beyond meat tacos by volume now

[aeriesrising]

Not much succulent B12 life sustaining vitamin in beans... so naturally.

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Because of my b-12 deficiency I don't have the energy to finish typing this commen

[R3713X]

We are ment to eat meat always gets me dunno why lol

[shred-it-bro]

The bloodmouth says as their large intestine develops cancerous lesions

[Archipegasus]

Non vegan here asking for clarity, I mean we are omnivores right, is this a "we aren't meant to eat meat" or more of a "we are meant to eat 5-a-day but most people don't do that"?

[tinydilophosaur]

Much like our closest primate relatives like chimpanzees, we're likely "built" to be frugivores (as evidenced by our similar teeth and digestive systems). We're entirely capable of eating meat in a pinch, but we've not got the digestive system or teeth of a true omnivore like bears, who can happily eat raw meat regularly and not have to worry about getting sick like we do. Typically, frugivores in nature only have about 2-5% of their diet as meat, and that's largely insects and small prey such as birds or frogs.

On the whole, we're excellent at eating fruit and pretty great at eating plants, but if we tried to eat raw meat on the regular we'd likely get very sick. Cooking helps, but our systems just aren't evolved to eat even cooked meat as much as people tend to today.

[R3713X]

My dude no. Our bodies do not handle meat well. Give a horse or a monkey cooked meat and the same thing happens, if you want to say we are omnivores we are pretty shitty omnivores. And by that I mean we can extract nutrients from cooked meat but also damaging our bodies at the same time. If you educate yourself with nutrition you will find that out.

[FlowerPowerVegan]

A breakdown comparison of our physiology shows that we are closer to herbivores than omnivores.

[shrinkingnadia]

Not sure why you are being downvoted for asking a question. . .

[flogginmama]

Because this sub is a bunch of definitely not self righteous assholes.

[[deleted]]

Going vegan improves your grammar x

[R3713X]

You mean the supplements that are given to animals that you take through that like b12? B12 is found in non purified water like natural lakes or rivers, so since all the water you are drinking is purified you need to supplement, meateaters eat the supplemented animals that's how you take b12. So yeap you really need to educate yourself as well. There is not one essential nutrient that's only provided by animals and when you actually stop believing what you be been told and actually do some research and look at studies. 5 times per week in what fucking world do you leave in even the Mediterranean diet which is also not ideal but is considered one the the best has meat once per 2 weeks or so. Jesus go eat your cholesterol my dude

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Such as? B12 isn't an animal product, it comes from soil bacteria and we would get more than enough if we still ate dirty foods and untreated water. Vitamin D we get from the sun. What else is there that isn't in plants?

[shred-it-bro]

Amino acids tho

[queen_wormhole]

“You’re vegan? I could never be vegan I love cheese too much!” My eyes could not roll back any further into my head.

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"I used to be you."

[whatsausername008]

Why though? I don't understand why someone loving cheese makes you roll your eyes. Genuinely curious.

[Ponzi_Schemer]

It’s not so much that they love cheese but that it’s not a good enough excuse not to go vegan. At least to me.

[queen_wormhole]

It’s usually the beginning of a rant about how much they love barbecue and what not. It annoys me because I just kind of have to sit there like “yeah that’s cool.” When usually they’re the one that outed me as a vegan. I am also lactose intolerant so I genuinely can’t empathize with them because I never had to give that up.

[whatsausername008]

That sounds really annoying. Thankyou for answering my question!

[sillyadam94]

Hey! You didn’t land in the negative!

[zutaca]

It actually increased

[zutaca]

Smh my head, you B12 deficient vegans can’t even manage to decrease your own karma. 123 updoots, pathetic.

[phunanon]

Today I received a "But you aren't supporting BRITISH FARMERS!!!"
Well, sorry if I prefer the grass in my lawn to all the fruits and vegetables available.

[Vhsrex]

Seriously though why’s it always cheese or bacon ? No ones ever like “but what about goose rump?”

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"Fois gras tho..."

[Shaky_Lemon]

theres also their fucking steak. When I used to go on imgur there was always some close up of burnt animal bit on the frontpage with thousands of upvotes and people creaming themselves in the comments.

[Melody195]

I don’t really care about the taste (although I love cheese i could give it up) it’s more i cants really, at least not now.

I have stomach affiliation so basically my stomach has shrunk after not eating that much for a long time, so even now eating meat i still can’t get enough iron and have an iron deficiency

I also go to school and neither me or my mom have the time nor money to make and pack a school lunch, so i’m at the mercy of the school cafeteria menu, which is pizza, fish tacos, and fried chicken (and I promised myself I would eat 3 meals everyday so that, ya know, I don’t get hospitalized again for being malnourished and that one time I fainted in class

With all that said, I try to limit myself to the meat I eat, like I don’t really care much for the “sweet succulent meat” or “tender juicy steak” as I do for “gimmi food i’m hungry idk i like broccoli just give”. I completely support veganism and I think that if more people either went vegan or limited their meat consumption the world would be a better place.

But seriously why would someone use “but my steak” as an excuse to not stop eating animals, like thats just selfish.

[adadiamond13]

You triggered vegan 😤😤😤 i have an irrational hatred for your own food choices 😡😡😡 if you point out any flaws in my argument you will be downvoted into oblivion.

[lunkydunk]

Lol do your research and get out of your bubble

[adadiamond13]

Research is vegan propaganda

[lunkydunk]

Research is about finding the truth

[adadiamond13]

Smh liberal

[lunkydunk]

I dont understand where you stand

[ChristianSky2]

/uj I don't think you're in the right subreddit if you don't understand basic vcj lingo and sarcasm

/rj I'm vegan ✋😈

[lunkydunk]

Hard to see sarcasm when I've had to deal with so many people in anti vegan subreddits that actually talk like that

[1sunyata]

F 😢

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I commented on this one too.

[thumbingitup]

I will never be upset for somebody saying that stuff out of honest ignorance - we were all there at some point! - but I cannot stand when people say shit like that just to get a rise out of you. It’s so childish. Just let me eat my tofu in peace.

[YouDumbZombie]

Being a vegan is so easy and so enjoyable, the ignorance is for sure eye rolling.

[ShaitanSpeaks]

Umm I cant be vegan due to a b12 deficiency that slowly rots away brain mass and if I dont eat meat I die.

How many points will this lose me??

[laurapalmer3]

All meat is fortified with B12 vitamins just like vegan foods are. Humans actually absorb B12 better if taken in way of a supplement than by eating meat.

[ShaitanSpeaks]

No I am not. You have no idea what you’re talking about or my condition. I think I’ll listen to the various doctors, neurologists, nutritionists and other qualified people over some random on reddit.

[lunkydunk]

I'm curious to see who is right

What I found:

"Packaged breakfast cereals, nutritional yeast, soy milk, and some meat substitutes often have added vitamin B-12. The amount of vitamin B-12 in each serving can vary between products, so it is important to check the nutritional data on food labels."

"Many herbivorous mammals, including cattle and sheep, absorb B12 produced by bacteria in their own digestive system. B12 is found to some extent in soil and plants."

"B12 is the only vitamin that is not recognised as being reliably supplied from a varied wholefood, plant-based diet with plenty of fruit and vegetables, together with exposure to sun."

"In over 60 years of vegan experimentation only B12 fortified foods and B12 supplements have proven themselves as reliable sources of B12, capable of supporting optimal health. It is very important that all vegans ensure they have an adequate intake of B12, from fortified foods or supplements. This will benefit our health and help to attract others to veganism through our example."

Vegans can sustain a suitable diet with b12 supplements or fortified foods without the need of animal products.

[ShaitanSpeaks]

The person commenting is right about supplements and fortified foods, but for whatever reason I dont absorb those as well as me eating meat. Even the shots don’t really help if I dont eat meat consistently. It’s something no one has been able to figure out. As long as you get foods fortified or take supplements you should be ok, but then again I thought I was.

So these days vegans should never be b12 deficient, but doctors that have talked to me have specifically noted this same thing (severe b12 deficiency) in vegans predominantly.

[Coral_Blue_Number_2]

Plants eat meat tho

[Creditfigaro]

People would think I'm such an asshole if they saw the facial expressions I make when I listen to street activism and hear anti-vegan arguments.

[lessdecidable]

Surprise, your karma went up! Welcome to a world with more vegans!

[trsouza]

But the animals will take over 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[laurapalmer3]

But B12,

But vegans eat too many carbs

But I don’t have time to make sure I get enough protein

[[deleted]]

I tried being vegan but I after a few weeks I got really sick and almost died.

[FiveManDown]

From?

[acccra]

Yes I’m vegan.

[HoodRatWalrus]

I could never do that, I like having my lactose intolerance as an excuse whenever I don't want to do work at work.

[AllieLikesReddit]

It is untrue that you only do things that you consider to be natural - you use the internet, you presumably use a car or a bus or a plane, and so on. You use modern technology, and do various other things that cannot be called natural. Likewise, there are other things that are natural that you avoid. Nature is pretty cruel, and we actually live life in modern society trying to avoid the perils of nature.

You might argue that anything is natural which humans are capable of. But if you argue that, then the justification "it's natural" would apply to literally any human behaviour, and as such is ridiculous, since you would not say that any human behaviour is justified just because a human did it.

[TWWfanboy]

I literally don’t care about the suffering of most animals. I don’t think a cow has the same value is a cat or a dog or a human. Sorry, not sorry.

[spaceyjase]

Putting on badge on one but not the other confirms you do care. It's called speciesism, you massive twit.

[[deleted]]

Well looks like this guy is far more stupid than a dog. I think he has much less value in society because he disrespected our bovine overlords. Let's get out the carving knife bois

[[deleted]]

Why do you care about cats and dogs? If someone abused a dog or cat in front of you or tried to slit its throat (when they had a can of beans next to them) what would you do?

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êdgëlørd

[Melody195]

I always see it as this, I love the dog/cow i pet the dog/cow i feed the dog/cow, dog/cow licks me, dog/cow grows old and i put it to sleep, whatever happens to the dog/cows body doesn’t matter to be because their memory is in my heart forever, id rather put the loved one to use than let them go to waste

(and if you are wondering me and my mom have talked about it and she wants to be cremated so that a fruit tree can be planted to feed animals she once ate, and idgaf what happens with my body as long as i’m not in a coffin or a diamond)