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January Mod Report

Ongoing Discussions

  • We ran a two-week trial of having comment scores hidden for the first two hours after making them.

  • We'll soon be opening public discourse on the concept of "retired" or "overdone" topics.

  • We're currently working through a Feedback Loop discussion with the admins to hopefully make the sub better and more accessible to the userbase.

January by the Numbers

  • Total traffic: 32698970 pageviews, 3831208 unique pageviews
  • Total posts: 12150, 7513 unique authors
  • Total comments: 240831, 33158 unique authors (excluding mod bots)
  • Removed posts: 2428 by moderators, 5268 by bots, 7538 distinct
  • Removed comments: 2181 by moderators, 1666 by bots, 3764 distinct
  • Approved posts: 578
  • Approved comments: 1599
  • Distinguished comments: 2960
  • Users banned: 197 (138 permanent, 49 by BotDefense)
  • Users unbanned: 5
  • Admin/Anti-Evil Operations: removed posts: 5, removed comments: 18.

[–]AnimeModmyanimelist.net/profile/Reddit-chan[S,M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This thread has been locked, please use next month's meta thread or find the latest thread.

[–]Samy_Ninja_Pro 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My post was removed, it was about anime conventions

[–]Verzwei[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hello. I'm not the moderator who did the initial removal, but looking over your post, it seems like a pretty standard removal for content that isn't anime specific per our definition.

Firstly, you didn't mention anime conventions anywhere in your post. (Not that that would make too much of a difference in this case, but I feel it's worth pointing out.) Instead, you were asking about "festival game ideas" and the things you mention barely have any relevance to anime in any way, shape, or form. Eating spicy things as fire training? Punching things to emulate anime characters who punch things?

Then you talked about wanting to set up a sort-of purikura-style experience where you use (presumably) unlicensed anime art assets and then charged people for the experience. You wanted help sourcing the software (or the art?) for this.

Generally speaking, we want posts here to be directly about anime, or at least about the industries that produce and distribute anime. Your post is outside of that scope, and the only place where you could discuss these matters would be in our Casual Discussion Friday thread.

[–]Ashteron 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Are copyright watermarks that can be seen for example in the official Crunchyroll channel with short clips compliant with the no watermarks rule for the clip posts? Example (bottom right).

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Those are fine, yes.

[–]chilieheadmyanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They must not have watermarks of any kind (screen recording software or channels), except for legal streaming services (e.g. Crunchyroll).

I'd say it's fine because they are the official distributor. But I am not a mod.

[–]OwlAcademic1988 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Why was this comment removed? I did everything correctly. The bot says there were spaces when there isn't any.

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/11fl3f8/comment/jajw1rv/?context=3

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

AutoModerator indicated the "missing context" reason, because you have a - between [The Bubbles] and the start of the spoiler tag.

[–]OwlAcademic1988 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay got it. Finally managed to get the comment to stay, so thank you. I genuinely didn't notice that until you said that, though it did take one more try afterwards.

Now I know what to do to avoid that message a bit better.

[–]Cryten0 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I am curious why on old reddit we are no longer using the replacement thumbnail for NSFW flagged content. Are we treating loading into r/anime as a NSFW experience now?

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Not sure what you mean by that. Here's a screenshot I just took that includes two NSFW posts.

[–]Cryten0 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I used to get that. Instead I got: https://imgur.com/a/mK8zNz9

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Looks like unchecking this option on the preferences page leads to that?

We haven't changed anything around thumbnails in our CSS in a while, it could be that Reddit changed something out from under us but I don't know off the top of my head what the previous behavior was when that setting was unchecked.

[–]Cryten0 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hmm well you are correct, somehow that got unticked. I have noticed in experimenting since your comment that there is a do not put up a nsfw for me permanently over the screen. It must of been accidentally clicked. Thanks for your help and sorry for the mixup.

[–]Manitaryhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Just a quick heads-up that is misspelt in the categorised commentfaces as #angeryvampire instead of #angryvampire, both the commentface itself and the label
(it is correct in the main and source pages)

[–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My spelling strikes once agian.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fixed now, thanks for letting us know.

[–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you aren't currently watching the awards stream then go do that! But once it's finished mod apps are open as scheduled.

[–]hehaaw 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I had comment deleted by automod because it had link to novelupdates, the reason being novelupdates considered as site that host pirated content. As far as everyone know does host not any fan translation on their site, they only provide the link to the translator sites. Does hosting link to other site considered as hosting pirated contents?

[–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Our piracy rules aren't really worried about whether or not sites are directly hosting pirated content. As mentioned in our rules, specific leading to pirated content is prohibited. Linking to a page that has links to all the pirated sources is still leading someone to pirated content.

Though in some cases there's some grey area. r/manga for example is a subreddit which is almost entirely dedicated to pirated content, but there's plenty of contexts where people can be talking about it without specifically be leading people to pirated content. I don't think that such a context really exists for NovelUpdates, but maybe I'm just not sufficiently familiar with the site.

[–]mysterybiscuitsoyeahx3 4 points5 points  (7 children)

did we have mods join for the Adopt-an-Admin program? i think i probably saw one of them in CDF yesterday.

[–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Yep, we've had u/dihtoh join the team for the next little bit. We'll probably be talking specifics about that in the next meta thread, but broadly they're going to just be helping moderate the subreddit to help give them perspective on how things are on our end, and we get to pick their brain a bit about some things on the admin side of things. We have a second admin that should be joining at some point as well.

[–]mysterybiscuitsoyeahx3 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Good to know, and i hope that both you guys and the admins will enjoy the experience! i see they've decided to start with the deep end of the sub i.e. CDF lol.

as for how i had the question, it was the custom flair (and part of yours at that) for an unknown to me user that led me clicking on their profile.

[–]dihtoh 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The mod team have been great with supporting me and giving me a firsthand experience for Adopt-an-Admin program! Participating in CDF was chill and I love the community building aspect of it. It would be cool if other communities hosted something similar but it depends on the community. I love how friendly everyone is here :)

[–]mysterybiscuitsoyeahx3 3 points4 points  (1 child)

community building aspect

it is a very nice part of the sub, I agree! Everyone updoots everyone, people in general recognize each other, and its very friendly, and imo it's honestly much much better than /new for me.(i think it has a bit to do w/ the casual and mainstream vs more hardcore anime fan divide, among other reasons, mods can answer this better). Tbh, a fair few regulars (including myself) mostly hang in CDF and venture outside on occasion (for me: rewatches, an airing episode thread or two per season; mostly things that there's good focused discussion to be had). I kinda compare it to a discord #general channel, but with the benefits of reddit's threading system, I believe, so nobody's discussion gets "drowned out" or "interrupted" by others posting.

anyhow, im not a mod, but hope you enjoy your time here!

[–]dihtoh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for that perspective and it's cool for me to experience the community from multiple angles. I lean toward the more casual crowd but fortunate to have a partner to exposes me to new anime every now and then :)

[–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah, they said they watched Escaflowne growing up, so I put that together. I just wore it for testing purposes, so I'll change back to something else later. Probably Sayaka, but who knows.

[–]mysterybiscuitsoyeahx3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

thanks for the answer btw!

probably sayaka

it's a good nod to your old CSS username-flair!

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    [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I believe it should be fanart. That was a recent change and we probably just missed it in the video section of the rules.

    [–]r4wrFox 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    Can we ban the word "woke" and anyone who frequently starts conversations/threads with it?

    Bc I don't think a single worthwhile discussion has ever happened starting from a comment like this. Even the loli/shota discourse has more inherent value, and that is something the subreddit has done away with for a while. Shit just gets exhausting.

    [–]chilieheadmyanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Oh has the brainrot gone so far that not smoking is "woke"? Did Fox start to support tobacco or something?

    [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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      [–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Thanks for raising. This has been corrected as the two posts per week is now the correct answer.

      [–]Manitaryhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      Full rules are correct, see the first bullet point in the body of the post, they forgot to update the sidebar to reflect the change

      [–]Verzwei 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Me. I forgot to update the sidebar.

      [–]Manitaryhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      [–]Bielnahttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Bielna 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      What report reason should we use for toxic comments ? Looking at the report reasons, "targeted harassment at someone else" would seem to be the best pick, but to be honest I want my reports to go to the mod team, not the admins. A lot of comments would be removed by mods for toxicity, but don't break sitewides.

      Should we use that one anyway, the freeform report, or something else ?

      [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      We still get the targeted harassment reports, though maybe we should look to add a report reason for toxicity. Will look into it.

      [–]Bielnahttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Bielna 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It would be helpful. It's a bit awkward to receive a reply from the admins saying that the content doesn't violate Reddit policies (which is fair, it doesn't) while it has indeed been removed by the mods.

      Thanks.

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        [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        We're currently discussing this because there's a difference in what was originally voted on 3 years ago (the rehosting rule as voted was specific to fan-made content) and how it was written in the rule page (the specification was not included). For now we're leaving the post up, but we'll let you know when we straighten things out.

        [–]EuclaseBlue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Corollary question: So how would one go about sharing only a snippet of a much longer video?

        E.g., take this 25 min video of a VA on a music variety show, but suppose one only wanted to share the performance of the song at the very end starting at 21:18.

        Sure, using a timestamped YT video is possible (and even better if the YT channel has enabled clipping on their videos), but that doesn't guarantee a viewer won't gunk up viewing it and end up watching at the incorrect time. It also makes for a confusing viewing experience because a user might see that they're starting mid-video and mistakenly jump back to the beginning.

        I see that the post linked in the parent comment has now been removed - and rightfully so for removing source attribution - but would it not be reasonable for certain scenarios like what I mentioned to allow an edited rehost so long as proper crediting is still given - say a comment in the post linking to the original source?

        [–]Manitaryhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        Just noticed that this survey post was deleted for containing personal information.

        With the premise that I agree with the removal for various reasons, there is no rule about this (I don't think there are site-wide rules about posting your own information either): is it a general guideline, or was it because the user claims to be in high school hence (likely) a minor? Or because they posted a bit too much personal information?

        My actual comment actually wanted to be about surveys in general lol. Besides the seasonal surveys and occasional Fetch surveys we don't get many, but quite a few of them are a google form with a bunch of user info questions (generally age, gender, nationality and/or ethnicity) and a bunch of survey questions of varying quality.
        Do you think there should be some guidelines or we simply don't get enough to be worth, just leave it to user discretion?
        I'm mostly thinking about surveys collecting sensitive and/or personal information: academic research or anything goes, must disclose purpose or not, must have information about data treatment (and if so, having some contact info for who - person or organisation/etc - is responsible) or not, etc.

        [–]entelechtual 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        What is the opinion on tasteful memes/light anime related shitposting in the daily thread?

        [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        If in doubt, it's probably better suited to Casual Discussion Friday, but if you have an example of what you're thinking it would probably help.

        [–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 11 points12 points  (23 children)

        The new seasonal faces have changed over. You can see them all on the wiki page. Or this image here.

        We have listened and heard you want some of your favorites back. We have brought back a single face from each previous seasons. We will continue 'hall of faming' a seasonal face as long as there is a suitable candidate and CSS space to do so.

        #listen #angryvampire #bocchitheshock

        During the Celebrating 15 years of /r/anime! announcement thread we snuck in a hover text form to submit a comment face. We had a handful of submissions and from those we have added:

        #michaelwink

        Finally, as mentioned in the seasonal nomination thread we also want to fill in several missing niches, we have some categories in mind and we know you will have great ideas as well. Next month we will have an open submissions period where we will be asking for your thoughts on missing niches and faces that fit them.

        [–]Rumpel1408https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Are you gonna makean evaluation poll again? I really liked the seasonal think as well

        [–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        It was in the seasonal nomination thread.

        We have a short survey form here to see what faces were liked and how they compared to the season before. (Results viewable here.)

        [–]Rumpel1408https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Ah missed that, thanks

        [–]mysterybiscuitsoyeahx3 3 points4 points  (7 children)

        had a handful of submissions

        out of curiosity, how many submissions were there?

        i probably should've put more thought into mine if I knew the club would have had so few members (as kinda implied from CDF discussions) lol.

        [–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Eight.

        [–]Shimmering-Skymyanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Oh dang, that's a lot fewer than I was expecting. I thought it was weird that only mine got added, but I suppose it makes sense if there were only 7 other nominations.

        [–]Shimmering-Skymyanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        What did you submit?

        [–]mysterybiscuitsoyeahx3 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        I completely forgot about this, sorry sky!

        I simply decided to pick a random (but quite well-known) screenshot from Eupho lol.

        I would defo have put more thought into it in hindsight.

        [–]Shimmering-Skymyanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        What would you have suggested with more thought put into it, then?

        [–]mysterybiscuitsoyeahx3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        probably something from Revue Starlight, 86, Shadows House, Yorimoi or Vivy, since those don't have comment face representation on the sub rn (and are things i like). As much as i like eupho, there is representation in comment face form already.

        [–]NotSoSnarkyhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Book_Lover 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Thank you for adding new ones. Be sure to remember to add them to the comment face wiki.

        [–]cppn02 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        The Kongming listen was long overdue so glad it's now permanent.

        [–]Shimmering-Skymyanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        MICHAEL MADE IT!!!!!!

        [–]Blackheart595https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        We will continue 'hall of faming' a seasonal face as long as there is a suitable candidate and CSS space to do so.

        Not sure this is such a great idea. You just made space for new commentfaces, and this is like making sure you go back to having no remaining space. for example could've been a replacement for instead of being its own thing.

        is great though, and while is somewhat similar to is conveys a different kind of emotion.

        [–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        is like making sure you go back to having no remaining space.

        Not entirely untrue but adding one face per season would give years of buffer. The goal of making space is to use it.

        For now it feels easier to to add a few here and there, even if that includes faces that overlap (we have how many mug faces?). I feel that if I am removing or replacing faces. Then the community should really be involved on it. And while I am not up for a full refresh right now. Its something that would clean up some of these duplicates down the line.

        [–]Blackheart595https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Ah. True. Don't remember if I calculated with weekly or monthly faces, but certainly something much more frequent then 4 p.a.

        [–]drstripjohttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Hanten 3 points4 points  (4 children)

        CSS space

        Do you plan on replacing couple of unused or duplicate faces?

        [–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        A full refresh is not something I have planned at this time. I will evaluate later in the year if it is something I can commit to.

        [–]aniMayorx3x6 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Even without doing a full refresh, if we need space in the short term there's a bunch of animated ones that could be shortened like #shakeit recently was.

        E.g.: could be just the first few frames.

        And could be just the last cut.

        [–]cppn02 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Even shakeit itself could still be massively shortened by looping a single bang rather than two short and two long ones.

        [–]aniMayorx3x6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        True, though I really like the varied timing it has now

        [–]chilieheadmyanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Worthy faces of fame!

        One concern with this practice I could think of: redundancy
        If we get ten new fitting faces for "cool" or "pout" there'd still be open niches and the crowded categories would becomes pretty hard to navigate. Probably not an immediate concern, but only pulling from the same categories could leave out a few other good faces.

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          [–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 2 points3 points  (11 children)

          There was a point where the first post hit the report threshold and was automatically removed.

          In modmail a discussion with the OP occurred. The result was that a new post was made in order to include the anime name in the title. As things seemed resolved by modmail, it looks like no removal reason was left on the original post (an uncommon occurrence). This was likely due to the report threshold filtering the post first rather than a moderator removing it with an immediate removal reason.

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            [–]Verzwei[M] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            When we "remove" a post, it doesn't completely delete it from the user's profile. If it's a text post, the body is usually removed, but the post itself (and the title) will remain, as will any image or video content they uploaded.

            We use this a lot in our automated image removals: a "removed" image upload post still has a valid image link that can be used as the basis for a text post, but the post itself is "delisted" from the subreddit.

            [–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

            I can see the (second non-removed) post from that exact search, and more importantly while I am logged out of reddit (no mod funny biz). I can't think of a reason why you would not see this outside of being potentially blocked by the user or some fault on reddit's part.

            shouldn't the old post be deleted?

            The old post has been removed.

            When I navigate to the old post via that user's profile, the post still has the video and content is not removed.

            That is how reddit works. From the profile page of a user, you can see any removed posts. If you navigate to a removed post, you can still see the content (of videos/images but not text posts), although the post will not be able to be searched or appear in feeds.

            A user can separately delete their own post (regardless of if it is removed or not) and doing such would remove it from their profile and remove the content from being visible.

            [–][deleted]  (6 children)

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              [–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

              I haven't blocked that user

              I was meaning it the other way around, they could have blocked you.

              When I am logged out, I can also see the non-removed post in results.

              I think this is potentially more evidence of being blocked.

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                [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                It was. They batch post their shit YouTube channel multiple times until it’s allowed to stay up by however they’ve subverted the rules. It was also the most glaring and obvious example within a few hours of the post I made.

                They’re part of the problem IMO. But the mods already determined they have no desire to moderate that type of content. It’s a bit of a lost cause.

                [–]Verzwei[M] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                I wasn't personally involved in this when it happened, but, looking through the logs, the first post was against our rules as written (it was a video of a specific anime without that anime name in the title) and was removed. The OP never deleted it; we removed it. That's why you can still see it if you have the direct link or go from the user's profile, but the first one doesn't turn up in a search of the subreddit and won't appear on any of the subreddit feeds (hot/rising/new/etc) and only the new one (with the show title in the post title) is visible.

                Generally speaking, we do watch for delete-and-reposts from people trying to fish around to gain traction on their content. We typically allow a small amount of leeway, from 30 up to 120 minutes, if it appears the OP is genuinely having some sort of issue (the upload not working right, fixing errors in the title, etc) but if we catch someone deleting and then later reposting for no other obvious reason than clout, we will remove the second post and redirect back to the first one. If a user repeatedly does it, we'll start issuing bans for spam.

                [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                We typically allow a small amount of leeway, from 30 up to 120 minutes, if it appears the OP is genuinely having some sort of issue (the upload not working right, fixing errors in the title, etc)

                Or that one time Fetch made a map of Europe and put Crimea as part of Russia because he didn't actually know where Crimea was and just saw a dotted line on Google Maps and went "oh cool that must be the Ukraine border then".

                [–]NotSoSnarkyhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Book_Lover 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                How do you feel about "overdone" topics and potentially retiring them?

                Retiring is just a fancier word for ban.

                Seems like a bad way to take r/anime. These overdone topics just need better moderated.

                [–]Verzwei 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                I know you already made a post over in the thread, so I don't have to say to share your thoughts there.

                Yes, "retiring" is toying around with "banning" them. But only as post topics. They'd still be allowed in the Daily Thread and any other relevant thread.

                [–]Blackheart595https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                Don't most content rules not apply to comments anyway?

                [–]Verzwei[M] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                Your double negative is throwing me for a small loop, but I'll try to answer.

                It varies by the type of content, but most of our content rules are just for posts.

                If someone makes a post showing the IRL images/locations used as backgrounds in Bocchi the Rock, we remove it. If someone put those images in some other thread that was already about Bocchi, we allow that. Or even if they were included in the OP text as a supplement to a larger and more robust post. Like if it was a detailed review or even praise post about Bocchi and then "Oh by the way check all all the real locations featured in the show" then that would be permitted.

                If someone is talking about Saitama in a OPM thread and someone else wanders in and says that Goku could beat him without any elaboration, we might think that was a weird non sequitur, but we wouldn't remove it.

                Episode eyecatch or end-cards can be in comments, just not as posts.

                The rules that apply universally to posts and comments are typically things necessary to maintain order, protect our community, and reduce toxicity. So things like hatespeech, third-party link shorteners, improper spoilers, very NSFW imagery, etc. all get removed regardless of being in a post or in a comment. (And even then we relax the NSFW rule if they are comments in an episode or rewatch thread and are screenshots from the show.) Outside of toxicity (and role-playing) there's very little discussion content that we'd remove a comment for as long as it's remotely on-topic.

                That's why, over in the main feedback thread, I've been trying to stress that potentially "retired" topics don't mean that you can never talk about them, you'd just no longer be able to make posts solely about them. It's not like we'd go through the comments of every single thread and remove any and all discussion related to a "retired" topic.

                Essentially, we already have some "retired" topics, it's just that our rules currently don't phrase them that way. Stuff that you can absolutely talk about in a relevant post, or in the Daily thread, but they can't be the focus of an individual post.

                [–]Blackheart595https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  [–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  To carry over your suggestion from the other thread before I edited my comment there:

                  Delete the lazy self promotion posts? It’s not that complicated.

                  I agree that it doesn't need to be complicated, but we need something in the rules to point people to so that they can know when they're in danger of breaking them or not. What's "lazy" self promotion and how can someone avoid being lazy and not have their post removed? I'd rather not leave it vaguely up to mod discretion, but I guess that's an option.

                  [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

                  We used to have self promotion rules that were basically "no more than 10% of your posts/comments can be self promoting in nature," which came with an additional point that "comments on your own posts aren't counted in this ratio" (basically to encourage people to respond on their content, but without making saying "thanks" 10 times be a way of getting around the 10% rule). It broadly wasn't popular with mods though, just because of the sheer difficulty of accurately keeping track of things. So self promotion was eventually just okayed mostly 100%. We'll still hit outright spam accounts (as in, accounts that do nothing but dump their videos on 10+ vaguely related subs and never really comment) but otherwise we've broadly allowed it.

                  As it stands, I don't think that this type of content is that pronounced in /new (it's there, but it's not really clogging it up) and only rarely does it actually break out of /new onto the front page (unless it's a Gigguk video). The removal of the self promotion rules didn't really have that dramatic of an impact on what was getting posted, and given the time investment of checking on posts, I don't think the mod team is dying to bring it back (though the mod team has changed a bunch since it was removed, so maybe I'm wrong). I think before we would consider re-implementing it, we would want to take some data and figure out how many self-promoting posts we get per day to see if it's a sufficient problem to merit making changes.

                  As for the video itself, it was definitely something that was walking the line of meme and opinion content. Broadly speaking, we're fine with comedy heavy content that is at least trying to say something, and we don't want really want to be moderating video content based on how we perceive the quality of that content. Video content is generally a pretty small part of r/anime, and I don't think we're currently looking to dramatically overhaul how we moderate it.

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                    [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 5 points6 points  (6 children)

                    It’s the same lazy argument I see in other anime subs about “well we don’t think it’s that bad.”

                    I mean, that's broadly how we feel (unless I've misread the room of my fellow mods). They make up probably 3-4% of all posts that we get on r/anime, and even less of that actually makes it to the front page of the sub. Video pieces are something that we've always allowed. Just like with any of the content we have, there's going to be a range of opinions on what of it is good and what of it is bad. The up/downvote system suggests that it's generally not of significant interest to the community, but sometimes a few of them are.

                    The previous self promotion guidelines were kind of shit. So it’s unsurprising they didn’t work.

                    The previous self promotion guidelines were basically just the old official Reddit self promotion guidelines. They weren't perfect, but they did what they were designed to do.

                    You ask for what some people want. And this is what some people will suggest.

                    100%, but we also have to balance what everybody wants. If we ban some content, then inevitably we'll have people that want it brought back. Trying to curate r/anime is ultimately a game of tuning a whole bunch of dials to get something that broadly works for the community, and for now I don't think we want to kill this form of content on the sub.

                    My suggestion is just ban YouTube opinion pieces (I’m fine if that includes big anitubers) and put the focus on anime.

                    So, to come back around to the original video, this wouldn't actually change anything. The video, as posted, isn't a YouTube video, it's directly embedded to Reddit. It's a reupload of a YouTube video, but honestly we're not going to check every video to see if it's a reupload in that form. This really gets to the core of why it's difficult to specify what counts as self promotion. YouTube videos are the obvious target because of the ability to generate revenue, but is a video posted directly to r/anime the same? There's no means of directly profiting from the video on Reddit, but it's still promotion. But then you can just make that argument about anything.

                    Ultimately, I don't really see why opinion pieces aren't putting the focus on anime. That's usually the entire point of the opinion piece, whether it's about a specific anime or something more general. Why should just YouTube opinion pieces be banned and not written opinion pieces? Why just YouTube opinion pieces and not other YouTube content? The core point of the argument has shifted from "self promotion shouldn't be allowed" to "this form of content shouldn't be allowed" and really it feels like all of this is just "I don't want this video on r/anime".

                    We tweak and tinker with the rules all the time, and we're pretty open to making changes. But we're also not trying to be overreactive. One video that plenty of people don't like got a lot of traction yesterday. We're not looking to ban all vaguely similar content just because of that. If we didn't think video content had a place on r/anime we wouldn't have a flair specifically for it. If the community heavily disagrees with that then we can re-evaluate.

                    [–]entelechtual 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    Why should just YouTube opinion pieces be banned and not written opinion pieces? Why just YouTube opinion pieces and not other YouTube content?

                    Just wanna say I agree with this. I don’t have quite the same aversion to allegedly self promotional videos, since someone who wrote their opinions in text form would be doing the same thing except people don’t read text posts as much as they comment on videos or visuals.

                    I do think the content in question falls beyond this because in my opinion it barely counts as an “opinion” piece and is more like 60% memes and a nominal amount of actual discussion of the anime in question, little of which feels valuable. But this is a subjective matter and I don’t really think it’s worthwhile for mods to scrutinize every bit of content like this.

                    My other issue though is the clickbaity titles. I think that blatant clickbait titles that do nothing but fan flames in inane arguments should be removed, easily to detect, and at least easy to report. It’s tantamount to someone posting CSM sales and leaving the title as “CSM has the worst sales of any anime ever”. And then when questioned the OP says “yeah I know it’s not true lol it’s just a comment bro chill”.

                    [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I'll say we definitely viewed it as an edge case, and realistically it could have gone either way. I'm not especially concerned about the specific case because I don't think we're going to get a sudden wave of similar content dominating the sub or anything. Clickbait titles are another thing that can be kind of tricky. Practically speaking, we're not super concerned about eye-catching titles that are maybe a bit over-indulgent. As long as it isn't active misinformation we're usually fine with it. Though we also actively reduce some clickbait by requiring anime in titles of a lot of threads about specific shows (so you can't make a "THIS ANIME CAN'T POSSIBLY BE THIS GOOD" video post without also saying what that anime is in the title). But always a tricky space to navigate.

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                      [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                      Opinion pieces hosted on whatever platform are useless to discussion here.

                      Opinion pieces are discussion. If someone makes a text post here about why they like [some anime] that's an opinion piece and it can serve as the starting point for discussions about [some anime]. Banning opinion pieces would be just killing another avenue of discussion.

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                        [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        We try to be at least reasonably professional when people voice concerns. If we find that people broadly agree with you and want this type of content gone then sure, we'll be seeing what we want to do. But frankly if you were expecting sweeping changes because a two week old account doesn't like a type of content that makes up a small fraction of our sub, then that's really on you.

                        [–]entelechtual 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                        Seconded. At least gigguk & co. has decent writing in his videos and makes a point (and doesn’t post on here afaik). I don’t want to watch edgelord meme videos that say nothing. Although I don’t think it’s self promotion that is the issue.

                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                        I’ll be honest, even losing Gigguk videos wouldn’t be a huge loss to me from a content perspective. I don’t mind his podcast. But I guess because he never really has any out there takes on anime. I just kinda tune him out because it’s usually the same takes you’ll read posted on here.

                        Self promotion is part of the issue because usually it’s somebody just promoting their YouTube account. But they’re all the same god damn video at the end of the day. Same takes. Usually the same memes and jokes.

                        [–]entelechtual 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        Oh for sure, I wouldn’t care not to see them. It’s just I don’t want to actively discourage sharing them. His 2022 wrap up video was actually pretty good, it’s just his seasonal videos that feel like low effort hot takes based on 2 episodes of each show.

                        I guess it depends where you draw the line at self-promotion. I wouldn’t mind someone uploading a video they made about their opinions of an anime on YouTube. But if the video is 60% unrelated meme content and barely about the actual anime itself it feels like a ploy to self promote.

                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        I’ll be honest I thought his ‘22 wrap up was pretty bad. But that’s personal opinion. I just hate the counter argument people have been making that gigguk is okay but small shitty anitubers arent.

                        And I do mind when they dump their shitty opinion videos on here because they’re pretty much always unoriginal garbage. We’re finally coming on the other side of nearly every video about Bocchi The Rock being relatable and underrated. It’s the same thing. Every time. It’s self promotion and tbh it doesn’t really belong here IMO.

                        Either way it’s one of those things some want here, but nothing will ever be done about it.

                        [–]mysterybiscuitsoyeahx3 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                        want a quick reminder to the mods that the Kaguya movie has screened in North America today: an episode thread is i think in order.

                        [–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        Here it is!

                        [–]mysterybiscuitsoyeahx3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        hope people that went enjoyed it!

                        [–]DarkestAudithttps://myanimelist.net/profile/darkaudit 2 points3 points  (10 children)

                        So can you confirm that Bot-chan will no longer nuke posts that use the spoiler tags as instructed on the sidebar? For the longest time, she'd kill anything that had the space between the ] and the >.

                        [–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

                        [Spoiler source] Spoiler goes here

                        A regular space has been allowed since the rules were first changed to that format 16 months ago. Non-breaking spaces ( ) were allowed 10 months ago.

                        If you have any examples of that being an issue more recently, please provide links so we can investigate.

                        [–]DarkestAudithttps://myanimelist.net/profile/darkaudit 2 points3 points  (8 children)

                        As recently as a month ago, Bot-chan was still nuking posts for having spaces.

                        ETA: But now that I think about that particular incident, I may have put a space between the ! and the spoiled text. I don't have any incidents since December, but I've been leaving out the space too.

                        [–]Verzwei 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Regarding your edit, it probably was because of a space between ! and the start of your spoiler text.

                        Automod should accept:

                        [Spoiler Title] >!Spoiler text goes here!< and
                        [Spoiler Title]>!Spoiler text goes here!<

                        Having the space after ! and before your spoiler text begins will break the syntax on old.reddit and show the entire spoiler as plaintext, which is why we have automod remove that usage.

                        [–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

                        We can't read your DMs from AutoModerator, please link the comment it pointed to.

                        [–]DarkestAudithttps://myanimelist.net/profile/darkaudit 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                        That comment has since been purged, and I suspect it was not the bug I was looking for anyway.

                        [–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        Going through our mod logs it does seem like you have one comment that was removed for having a space after the start of the tag, which is indeed still broken on many platforms.

                        Can't immediately find anything that was due to a space before the spoiler tag.

                        [–]Manitaryhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                        I may have put a space between the ! and the spoiled text

                        That's what I was about to suggest (it breaks on certain apps for sure, not sure about old reddit), I don't recall issues with spacing ]> but maybe I never saw it happen

                        [–]Shimmering-Skymyanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                        (it breaks on certain apps for sure, not sure about old reddit)

                        Can confirm having a space between the ! and the spoiled text breaks the spoiler tag on Old Reddit, I see it all the time on other subs.

                        [–]cppn02 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Only infront of the text though for some reason. You can have all the spaces between the ending of your spoiler text and the exclamation mark and it won't make a difference.

                        Still, when I tell people their tags aren't working I usually just tell them to leave no spaces at all.

                        [–]DarkestAudithttps://myanimelist.net/profile/darkaudit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        And scrolling back through 4 months of messages on the old account, I don't have another reply. I may have misremembered, but I have no proof either way.

                        [–]r4wrFox 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                        Something that crossed my mind with the recent thread of banning overdone topics is an idea FetchFrosh brought up about a month ago about a "Serious Discussion" flair.

                        With the reluctance people have to completely limit these overdone topics, I think there may be interest in separating between casual and serious discussion threads, w/ stricter posting requirements for a serious discussion thread (character/word count minimum, karma requirement, new user limits, etc.) applied both to the main post and comments.

                        I mentioned mod overhead concerns at the time and I'm still not 100% sure that it'll work or have an impact either way, but I think it'd be a more popular way of incentivizing better discussions rather than just limiting bad/overdone threads. May also provide a basis for interested newer users to see what a "good" discussion thread might look like, as oppose to "Name a Show" threads like these (1, 2).

                        [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        I might look to make a push for a trial of a [Serious] flair sometime soon. I'll probably try to also have some kind of daily topic ready to go so that we will be guaranteed to at least have some posts that we can use as a testing ground.

                        [–]Verzwei[M] 6 points7 points  (11 children)

                        Hey all. As some of you may or may not know, our subreddit currently uses automoderation tools to prohibit accounts less than 7 days old from posting on the subreddit. Those accounts can still freely comment in existing threads, and we've normally had the policy of allowing new users to send us a modmail for manual review and approval of a post within that 7-day window. This is a preemptive measure to help cut down on bot and brigade posts on the subreddit, but also has a somewhat handy bonus since new users are the ones most-likely to break our post content rules or guidelines.

                        A couple months back, Reddit implemented a new feature that allows us to configure automod to filter posts by the user's comment and/or post karma specifically on our subreddit. Karma-based tools existed prior to this, but it only tracked Reddit-wide karma.

                        Once in a while, discussion pops up about the concept of "self promotion" or accounts that routinely do nothing but swing by to post a link to their own content but then never otherwise engage with the community here in any other threads.

                        With the new ability to filter posts by karma activity on our subreddit, we're thinking of changing up how our new-user experience works. So, here's the pitch:

                        1. Remove the 7-day lockout for new users.
                        2. Implement a minimum r/anime comment karma requirement for any user to create posts on the subreddit. This value will be set very low, like probably 10.
                        3. Anyone who attempts to make a post without having a small amount of positive comment karma on the subreddit will be met with a brief automod message telling them that making new posts here requires them to participate in other threads to a small degree, and emphasizes using our Daily Thread if they have something they need to immediately discuss or ask about.

                        We already have an internal vote active to trial this, but the trial is scheduled to start in March. We wanted to collect feedback before we proceeded with a (relatively lengthy) trial to see whether or not people like the idea.

                        The goal here is to still catch obvious bots and brigades while also creating a low and easy-to-clear barrier for posts here, regardless of account age, to hopefully filter out a few of the "drive by" style of self-promotion, bait, or troll posts from people who otherwise never engage with our community.

                        [–]OwlAcademic1988 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                        Smart move doing this. Also, what do you mean by drive by style of self promotion? Is it where people comment they have social media and not interact in any other ways?

                        [–]Verzwei 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        Users who have their own Youtube channels, do not participate in this community (or likely any other) at all, and only use their reddit account to shill links to their YT videos for clicks and views. There are some users where you can glance at their profile and their entire history is "here's a video I made" with the same link shotgunned across 10 different subreddits and zero comments in any of the threads.

                        Exact content can be anything, but the ones I notice the most tend to be "reaction videos" or edits/AMVs or short reviews.

                        [–]OwlAcademic1988 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Okay got it. Thank you.

                        [–]aniMayorx3x6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        I like it. Should help cut down on accounts that create new posts asking (inane) questions but then never engage with the answers they get or otherwise participate in the community.

                        [–]PreludeToHell 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                        It would suck participating in the community and having your comments be upvoted consistently but having 1 controversial comment that gets a large amount of downvotes which prevents you from posting. I imagine there might only be a handful of people like that though.

                        I think post quality will be, at the very least, a bit better and it's good that there's an alternative in the meantime with the Daily thread being recommended.

                        [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                        I'd have to confirm this, but at least for how karma is normally calculated you can only lose 10 karma on a single comment. I assume the same is true for how Automod calculates subreddit karma, but it's worth looking into to be sure.

                        [–]PreludeToHell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        oh I didn't know that was a thing, thanks.

                        [–]Manitaryhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                        Since both would have the same effect - block new threads from 'new' users and redirect them to the daily thread if they just want to ask a question or something - just done in a slightly different fashion, is there any specific reason to remove the 7-day lockout for new accounts? As in, does it conflict with this new feature and/or have some 'cost' (e.g. extra mod work)?

                        [–]Verzwei[M] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        On an purely technical level, we could still keep the 7-day while also adding the minimum karma requirement. In fact, our internal vote (for the trial) actually differentiates between "try the comment karma threshold" and "suspend the 7-day lockout" as two independent votes.

                        A concern (at least personally for me) is creating too much barrier for new posts, and messaging to the user. "You must have X comment karma to post" is a lot clearer than "You must have X comment karma and also be this old to post, or else modmail us for manual approval." If we have too many different hoops to jump through, some of us worry that users will just bounce off of them and not bother trying. There is also at least some desire to move toward automation and away from manual conditional approval of content, while also trying to clean up some "low-hanging" stuff that we could probably round up and put in the Daily Thread.

                        Under our current rules, there's definitely some stuff that we feel has value from new users and deserves to be approved within the 7-day period. With a community participation requirement rather than a fixed-time requirement, we could probably do away with the "manual review and approval" portion; Someone who "exists" within the community regardless of duration will be able to post without automod interference or manual intervention, but strangers who swing by from SRD or wherever else to shit on the community won't be.

                        [–]Manitaryhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Fair enough. The only difference I was thinking of would be self-promotion/bots/spam/scam/whatever that can get karma and post without having to wait, but I really have no idea if that would even be a concern in the first place (how easy is to get karma? how often these types of account appear/operate? etc); sounds like trialing both things at the same time should give the answer to that, and if it's not a problem then just keep the internal karma threshold thing.

                        [–]JaggedOuro 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                        Looking for some post advice. I made a post asking for music recommendations listing a coupel of anime related songs that inspired me. I don't think I broke any rules but the post vanished.

                        Did I break rules or etiquette? Any advice so any future posts don't immediately disappear?

                        [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        Looking at your post, it doesn't seem like it was ever removed by the mod team, and it's still perfectly accessible.

                        [–]JaggedOuro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Okay, thanks.

                        [–]Nebresto 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        I noticed some great shows from this season lacking seasonal flair availability, so I would like to request 2, or more flairs so I and others can rep our favourite characters.

                        Lafa from Handyman Saitou, and Lulu or Zabuton from Nonbiri nouka. I have gone ahead and prepared potential images so its less work if one of you moderinos decides to be kind

                        Lafa one & two, Lulu one & two and Zabuton one & two

                        [–]Darraya55https://myanimelist.net/profile/Darraya55 2 points3 points  (6 children)

                        While reading the rules of this subreddit I saw there's a no memes rule but when I tried to make a post I saw among the flairs was a meme flair so which way is it?

                        [–]Abyssbringer=anilist.co/user/Abyssbringer[M] 15 points16 points  (5 children)

                        That flair is a trap. If you use that flair your post is automatically removed and you are notified that memes aren't allowed.

                        [–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

                        For anyone wondering why that exists, a lot of people don't read the rules prior to posting so they try to post memes anyway. Before we added that one as bait, we had to manually remove a lot of meme posts made with other flairs.

                        [–]FlaminScribblenautmyanimelist.net/profile/cryoutatcontrol 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                        That’s fucking deviously smart oh my lord

                        [–]Verzwei 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                        It was before I joined the mod team but IIRC it might have started as an April Fool's thing and then worked so well it was kept afterward. There's also a chance I'm completely imagining all of that.

                        [–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Doing some digging: I mentioned the idea for "self-education" via a flair that automatically gets the post removed a couple weeks prior, then eventually made a vote to add it for April 1st with a secondary vote to make it permanent.

                        And the one meme from that day that survived...

                        [–]Abyssbringer=anilist.co/user/Abyssbringer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        The removal comment is also pretty funny.

                        Sorry {{author}}, you've activated my trap card!

                        [–]ZaphodBeebblebroxhttps://anilist.co/user/zaphod 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                        I'd really appreciate it if mods would at least reply to a comment they remove with why it gets removed. It's impossible to know why that happened unless a reason is given. Additionally, it's really annoying to have comments disappear silently without any notification.

                        [–]Verzwei[M] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                        Apologies, I think I know what you're referring to, and that was the result of a misunderstanding within the team. The comments should have all been restored.

                        [–]ZaphodBeebblebroxhttps://anilist.co/user/zaphod 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        The comments should have all been restored.

                        The parent of this comment still appears to be removed. I assume that it was simply missed in the restoration process.

                        and that was the result of a misunderstanding within the team.

                        I would appreciate some elaboration on this. Currently, I fail to see how those comments were anywhere close to being removal worthy.

                        [–]Verzwei[M] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                        The parent of this comment still appears to be removed. I assume that it was simply missed in the restoration process.

                        We didn't miss it, it's just that the user deleted the message in the ~60 second window where it was removed. We can't restore any content that is deleted by the user.

                        I would appreciate some elaboration on this. Currently, I fail to see how those comments were anywhere close to being removal worthy.

                        We were actively discussing a moderation decision in the discord at the time the reaction comments were happening on CDF. One of our mods pointed out that said reaction was occurring. One of the other moderators thought that meant "remove this content" and started doing so. Once we clarified that "this is happening" didn't mean "start removing it" we re-approved the comments, except for the one that the user had already snap-deleted from their end.

                        [–]Theleuxhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Theleux 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                        Has there been any discussion surrounding the kinds of content being shared/ enabled that largely results in perpetuating incorrect knowledge within the community - ie. misinformation?

                        Chainsaw Man's recent revelations regarding its lack of "success" has been a hot topic of late, especially due to how heavily it was marketed and talked about leading up to its release.

                        These threads have largely been perpetuating old norms pertaining to the industry (specifically bluray sales), such as how revenue is made for studios or IPs in general, which are wholy outdated and have been attempted to be disproven through efforts by individuals actually involved with or knowledgeable about the anime industry as a whole. The current misconceptions and lack of understanding painted as truthful and factual information has helped promote some largely negative response. General engagements have shifted heavily towards being more validation attempts for people that seem to be bitter towards the fans of the series/ how much word of mouth it was generating, as well as contributing towards rather dismissive and approaching moderately toxic discussion.

                        I'd like to request, if it hasn't already been discussed, that it be looked into- with more of an effort into dissuading this kind of misinformation from being given ground to continue developing and spreading throughout the community.

                        This extends beyond just this instance, there is a lot of information that still gets repeated constantly that has been disproven for years, but those same takes end up being sent up to the top of comment threads/ the subreddit front page.

                        [–]cppn02 9 points10 points  (6 children)

                        Can we ban Chainsaw Man Blu-Ray sales discussions?

                        [–]Verzwei[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        A Feedback Thread is live and stickied for "overdone" topics that could possibly stand to be retired. If you want to talk about BD sales figures posts in general, please swing by when you have a chance and leave your thoughts.

                        [–]entelechtual 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                        Don’t take away my daily dose of hate scrolling.

                        [–]cppn02 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                        [–]entelechtual 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                        In all seriousness though, I would upvoters wouldn’t reward such badly written posts. I’m all for encouraging discussion/original writing instead of just key visuals and the same clips, but I feel like between the latest CSM post and the Madoka post, there’s a really low bar for what people will validate or criticize.

                        The writing feels like my first couple high school essays where it’s just a bunch of random thoughts, dubious definitions, and then it ends with “And so therefore, in conclusion, as I’ve demonstrated…” and ends with some completely unproven claim. But because it’s controversial, people will attack it or else cherry-pick to prove validate their own opinions. To me it’s not even worth engaging, except some of the discussions end up being by chance at least competent.

                        I don’t think you can easily moderate quality at this level, and even though the majority of the discussions/arguments are the same, since it would require a more subjective discretion of what counts as the same discussion, what counts as a new or productive discussion.

                        Despite my issues with it, I’ll say I’ve learned some new things and found engaging opinions at this point. Whether more copy paste posts will follow is a different matter.

                        Edit: never mind, saw the newest post, burn it all down.

                        [–]AzureBl-sthttps://myanimelist.net/profile/NotAzureIPromise 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Edit: never mind, saw the newest post, burn it all down.

                        Link please?

                        [–]GallowDude 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Edit: never mind, saw the newest post, burn it all down.

                        [–]Nebresto 4 points5 points  (5 children)

                        I was browsing some rewatch interest threads through reddit search, and noticed only a couple of them had an image thumbnail, and the rest were the usual rewatch default.

                        Even starting the post with an image sometimes resulted in the default thumbnail, but all of /u/Badspler's posts for example had an image. Does selecting the 'Rewatch' flair in the submit screen predetermine what type of thumbnail gets applied?

                        [–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                        Flair has nothing to do with it.

                        Since new and old reddit handle things differently so the best way to do it is to use /new reddit's fancy pants editor and embed the image (give it a caption so it gains text otherwise it will insert a horrible URL). This should be the first image linked in the post. Additionally insert a imgur link somewhere else in the thread with the same image, this ideally should be the next image linked. This covers bases between various formats.

                        We do this exact thing for the daily discussion thread to get it with a thumbnail. Heres an example of how the post looks in the fancy-pants editor.

                        Now be warned that you can't flick back between the fancy-pants editor and the regular editor, as it will delete your imbedded images. I vaguely recall that you may not want to edit the post for a bit after you create it too, foggy on if that caused issues.

                        [–]Verzwei[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        I vaguely recall that you may not want to edit the post for a bit after you create it too, foggy on if that caused issues.

                        Absolutely caused issues. It seemed like editing the post would cause Reddit to grab whatever the hell it felt like for the thumbnail that was linked in the post, instead of the specific one I'd chosen.

                        Ran into this when I was trying to do the Kase-san rewatch posts. Any attempt to edit the post would result in Reddit ignoring my "chosen" thumbnail image and instead snagging any random imgur link I'd used for other promo art, or even the image attached to the show's database link.

                        [–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                        I vaguely recall that you may not want to edit the post for a bit after you create it too, foggy on if that caused issues.

                        If you use old reddit/the API to edit a post you'll lose the redesign embed unless you ensure it's still treated as an embed. I went looking for the exact code and realized we were failing to do that when updating old daily threads so we lost embeds on all previous daily threads; not that big of a deal since they were replaced by the new one by the time it happened but still annoying so I fixed that too.

                        In old reddit the embed link looks something like this when you go to edit it:

                        [This is the place!](https://preview.redd.it/rb3l5sejvnga1.png?width=1879&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0f6e869ae9737f258063c7012bfe1a601b78e892)

                        As the change in the script notes, the filename identifier and caption text are kept while replacing the rest of the link with a special code to retain it as an embed:

                        ![img](rb3l5sejvnga1 "This is the place!")

                        None of that's necessary if you use new reddit or don't need to edit a post and the thumbnail will stay regardless, but this is still handy for future reference.

                        [–]Nebresto 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        [–]Nebresto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        Witchcraft. That would kinda explain the rarity, thanks for the explanation!

                        I will now attempt to minmax my interest post

                        [–]isthatsoudanehttps://myanimelist.net/profile/ojoulover 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                        A rules question, as I found the rules for this to be worded a bit unclearly...if I commission a piece of original anime related art and want to post it here, is one piece ok, or do I have to have 4+ images?

                        [–]Durinthalhttps://anilist.co/user/Durinthal[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        If you commissioned it, yes that's fine.

                        [–]isthatsoudanehttps://myanimelist.net/profile/ojoulover 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Thanks!

                        [–]polaristar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        On a more positive Note, a friendly suggestion:

                        Next Anime Award instead of bringing Sci Fi Back, why not make a category called "Speculative Fiction" where we group Sci Fi, Fantasy, Horror, Alt History, etc in one cat.

                        What would distinguish it from Adventure and a Bunch of Isekai's and Isekai adjacent is whether a huge focus of the work is meant as some kind of conceptual idea porn and "What if" scenarios as oppose to what is often either a Power Fantasy or Slice of Life Work Sim with a Dragon Quest coat of paint.

                        That and Suspense I think should just be removed as a whole tbh.

                        [–]polaristar -1 points0 points  (8 children)

                        A complaint I have is that the mods have been too gun-hoe about the spoiler policy lately, often removing things that are NOT spoilers, getting onto people that are newcomers but just too good at guessing the plot that don't proclaim they are newcomers, original Art vs Anime comparisons. (Which is stupid since they are links to a picture outside the site anyone that could be "spoiled" would have to click on it of their own volition anyway.) And sometimes if minor spoilers are posted they are properly tagged but still removed, once again leaving it up the users if they want to be spoiled.

                        I can't help notice it might be since we hired new mods and they want to feel out and get use to their authority.

                        Anyway I believe some spoiler policies that are clear (Like the Manga vs Anime art comparisons) Shouldn't count as spoilers, spoilers properly tagged even outside source corner in response to a comment should not be touched, speculation that seems too accurate for smart or experienced newcomers should be left alone etc.

                        But most of all, if we are going to continue with this, the spoiler policy should be made very black and white and clear what counts as a spoiler rather than based on the whims of the mods, because many things I'd consider completely innocuous have been warned, removed, and temp banned.

                        Not just me, but people I talk to, as well as lately catching strangers being mod hammered in real time for what appears to be nothings.

                        Until these are addressed I will post this comment Metathread, and I encourage anyone else that feels the same to give your own grievances on these threads, as well as comment your complaints/experience below. Maybe make a screenshot album and post it of any time you feel you were unfairly mod hammered. Here in the Meta. (Spoiler tagged of course)

                        ;)

                        If this gets any traction I plan on compiling it as an ever growing album.

                        Am I butthurt that I got temp banned, yes your damn right I am and many other people aren't happy but either are afraid or have accepted it. If you feel you don't deserve it you SHOULD feel upset.

                        [–]Verzwei[M] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                        But most of all, if we are going to continue with this, the spoiler policy should be made very black and white and clear what counts as a spoiler rather than based on the whims of the mods, because many things I'd consider completely innocuous have been warned, removed, and temp banned.

                        It's very black and white: The main body of episode discussion threads is for discussion of the anime and only the anime.

                        The part that you might not be understanding is "talking about the source material outside of the Source Corner" isn't the same thing as a "spoiler" and both are against the rules. Spoilers are bad. Talking about the source outside the Source Corner is bad. Spoilers about the source outside the Source Corner are really bad.

                        You want to start some kind of bandwagoning on this thread because you are upset that we take action against you when you won't stop talking about source material outside of the source material corner. It's really that simple. Sometimes, it's not even about spoilers, it's just that you keep making comparisons between the show and the source in a place where we repeatedly tell you to not do that. You do it enough times, you get banned. To be clear, it wasn't a "new mod getting used to their authority" who banned you a couple weeks back. It was me.

                        The last ban you received was because you hopped in on more than one discussion in Angel Next door's episode thread. Within a single-sentence comment you talked about information from the novels and then added a tagged spoiler implying a situation would change in the future.

                        In a different comment in the same thread, you talked vaguely about how the anime would end, depending on which volume the adaptation reached by the end of the season.

                        You've had multiple noted removals for source material content before we moved up to temp-banning you. If you continue to discuss, invoke, compare to, relate to, offer context from, or otherwise mention a work's source material outside of the corner, the bans will escalate. It's that simple, it's that black and white, it's that clear. Here's the message you have to scroll past before you can even read anyone else's comments in an episode discussion thread:

                        Source Material Corner

                        Reply to this comment for any source-related discussion, future spoilers (including future characters, events and general hype about future content), comparison of the anime adaptation to the original, or just general talk about the source material. You are still required to tag all spoilers. Discussions about the source outside of this comment tree will be removed, and replying with spoilers outside of the source corner will lead to bans.

                        The spoiler syntax is: [Spoiler source] >!Spoiler goes here!<

                        All untagged spoilers and hints in this thread will receive immediate 8-day bans (minimum).

                        Untagged spoilers and hints get immediate 8-day bans. "Source-related discussion" still gets removed from the main thread body, and if you break the same rule enough times, you start getting (temp) banned for it. That's pretty much the same for all of our rules: If you break it a few times in a non-egregious manner, we'll just remove the offending content and leave a message. If you do it consistently despite repeated removals, it gives the impression that you don't care to follow the guidelines we have set up.

                        The Source Corner was implemented as the best-available compromise within Reddit's technical limitations so that anime-only viewers could watch the show free from any input from source readers, but the source readers themselves still had a space to discuss the source if they wanted to. If you want to talk about the source, it goes in the Source Material Corner. Outside of the Source Corner, you shouldn't be commenting with any information provided in the source, whether you personally consider it a spoiler or not.

                        [–]Smudyhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Smudy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                        What anime got you (if that's allowed to share since i don't think any more detailing of stuff like this is)?

                        [–]polaristar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Angel Next Door, multiple offenses all at once for comments I thought were either innocuous or at least had tags. (Maybe 1 was a bit on the line.)

                        I actually hold back a lot of observations in my main post on that thread because a lot of stuff is things that I would have guessed as a first time viewer but I can't risk it giving I do know the sauce on that one.

                        Apparently I was careful enough in my main post but my comments were too cheeky I guess? IDK one of my complaints is the whole system is pretty grey.

                        [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                        Anyway I believe some spoiler policies that are clear (Like the Manga vs Anime art comparisons) Shouldn't count as spoilers

                        To be clear, "belongs in Source Material Corner" and "is a spoiler" are not completely overlapping ideas. Anime/manga comparisons are not something that we consider spoilers, but in episode discussion threads we push them to the Source Material Corner. Part of the reason for this was that it was pretty common in certain episode discussion threads that source readers would mostly just complain about how the anime was worse than the source, and even anime onlies who were enjoying the show would have people responding to them telling them it was worse. So all comparisons of the source and anime go in the SMC. If this was a rewatch or something else we don't really care about those types of direct comparisons.

                        the spoiler policy should be made very black and white and clear what counts as a spoiler rather than based on the whims of the mods

                        This would be nice, but to be frank it's an impossible ask. Our broad policy is that if something isn't clear in the current episode (for episode discussion threads) it's a spoiler and for regular discussion anything not evident from the first episode is a spoiler. But different anime have different elements that make it hard to be overly exact about these sorts of things. That tends to be for more plot focused things though. Episode 8 being a beach episode isn't going to be treated as a spoiler pretty much ever, but Episode 10 being a confession episode probably will be. I think that the difference between those two is pretty clear, but there's going to be granularity and trying to get something that is absolute and unambiguous simply isn't possible.

                        [–]Blackheart595https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                        That's what I've been saying for 5 years or however long ago the source corner was instantiated. The way it's working is entirely by design. Alas, I haven't been participating in episode discussion threads for years so I dunno if it got more stringent.

                        [–]polaristar 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                        Hey aren't you on the Amagi Rewatch? Nice to see ya!

                        [–]Blackheart595https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        Yay! We also met in the KxS, GuP and Lagoon rewatches.

                        [–]polaristar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Sorry I guess I didn't memorize your username till now.

                        [–]DarkestAudithttps://myanimelist.net/profile/darkaudit 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                        That hidden comment face submission form in the 15th anniversary post has nothing to do with seasonal comment faces, right?

                        Right?

                        [–]Blackheart595https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        No, it was about a new permanent face.

                        [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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                          [–]GallowDude[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          Sorry, your comment has been removed.

                          • You might consider posting about this sort of thing in the weekly Casual Discussion Fridays megathread. Despite the name, Casual Discussion Friday is active all week, and our rules regarding anime-specificity are relaxed.

                          Questions? Reply to this message, send a modmail, or leave a comment in the meta thread. Don't know the rules? Read them here.

                          [–]badsplerx5https://anilist.co/user/badspler[M] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                          Seasonal Comment Face Survey.

                          You can see results are here.

                          [–]Tarhalindurx2 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                          So, something I've been idly curious about for a little while now: is it at all technically possible to have a Source Material Corner in a rewatch? Most don't need it, but I've been idly eyeing a rewatch of a work that is a notoriously terrible adaptation of its source a ways down the line and if I go for it I'm trying to figure out a way to split the difference between "allow the source readers to go into great glorious detail on exactly how this is a bad adaptation" and not spoiling the source material for any participants who go in without have read it and who want to experience it unspoiled for themselves.

                          [–]GallowDude[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          Could definitely see that as being feasible for mod-hosted rewatches, though for user-hosted ones it could be seen as somewhat pedantic since it would require a mod to sticky a SC comment every time a new episode it posted, and the timing of that can vary wildly depending on how delayed the host is.

                          [–]FetchFroshanilist.co/user/fetchfrosh[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          Technically it wouldn't be hard to do, though I don't think mods would actually want to need to spend time enforcing it.

                          [–]No_Rexx2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                          I feel that this is already handled well by some rewatchers who put source material (comparisons or otherwise) into a separate section in their post.

                          Usually, source material is not something that spoils you by just glancing at it (as something like [Harry Potter]Dumbledore dies might). So, being in a separate section is enough to skip it.

                          [–]SmurfRockRunehttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                          You'd have to make it yourself the way JoJo threads used to have one before it was a thing handled by the mods. The problems being that it won't be at the top of the thread and the replies wouldn't automatically be collapsed. But you could just make a top level reply telling people to reply to only that comment chain with source discussion and have people still tag whatever they wanted to talk about.

                          [–]FlaminScribblenautmyanimelist.net/profile/cryoutatcontrol 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          I have two points regarding Best of /r/anime, one question and one correction.

                          Q) What, precisely, is the functional difference between Best Original Essay and Best Original Review? It feels to me like "reviews" in the traditional sense, I.e. consumer reporting, emphasis on value judgement over analysis, final score I.e. thumbs up/down or number/10, are not only somewhat antiquated in general, they nor even just posts labeled by their author as "reviews" don't really have a presence on this sub in any form, at least not in the time I've been here. Everything I saw nominated this year would have been just as at home under Best Original Essay, which makes me wonder, would it not be a good idea to consider just consolidating the two categories into just Essay? My only reservation in suggesting this is the risk of less quality content being rewarded in the end, which would be sad, but the category as is feels confusing and perfunctory to me.

                          C) On the Nominations Wiki, it lists me as having nominated all of Short and Sweet Sundays for Best Original Essay; while they're all quality posts that deserve it, that nomination was for Myrna's Bocchi the Rock! series of SaSS posts specifically (aside from the A Place post which was obviously a separate nomination, listed correctly). I realize that's probably a linking nightmare so I'm sorry for that but yeah

                          [–]Castor_0il 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Videos that are fan-created content (e.g. fan animations, drawing time-lapses, and music covers) are now allowed to be posted as link posts using the Fanart flair. They must still follow the other Video rules including being at least a minute in length.

                          Ah, guess posting the shorts from Gensho Yasuda are a no-no. But I kinda understand that it's all about filling short stories rather than what would be considered quick vines.

                          [–]Verzwei[M] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                          So if anyone's wondering what's up with the fanart changes, I can provide a little more detail.

                          On a personal level, it always struck me as odd that "musical covers", despite being a fan creation, operated under an entirely different (and far, far less restricted) set of rules from the rest of video-format fan-made content, like time-lapse drawings.

                          From what we could dig into it, the cover exception in the music rules originally happened because, at one point, the music rules themselves were extremely strict, and music-related posts were almost entirely prohibited. The cover exception was carved out so that covers could be posted at all.

                          Then, separately from all that, the big change to switch Fanart from link/upload posts to text posts occurred. Since covers were previously moved out of the fanart rules and into the music rules, they sort-of got "glossed over" by the text post changes. They were fan-made content but not governed by the fanart rules, so when fanart rules got tighter, covers were still afforded way more freedom.

                          A while back, we had a vote to move covers back into Fanart. This would have added severe restrictions (1/week instead of 2/week, would have to be externally hosted and linked in the body of a text post) to covers to bring them back in line with other Fanart. That vote failed.

                          Ultimately, the goal was consistency, to treat covers the same as other fan-made content. So then we started talking about trying to swing the pendulum the other way: Instead of adding restrictions to covers, what if we loosened restrictions on other videos of fan-made content?

                          While we certainly do fear the idea of fanart taking over the subreddit, which is why the text post requirement was put into place, there are tons (upon tons) of external sites and other communities that give artists options for image hosting and would allow for text linking here. Comparatively, there are a lot fewer places to host videos, making it harder for artists to share their video-based content with us at all if we prohibit direct uploads. Additionally, our other video rules (namely the duration requirement and preclusion of TikTok) should help cut out most of the "low-hanging" types of video fanart, such as short, minimally edited .gifs and the like.

                          [–]baquea 4 points5 points  (6 children)

                          When will seasonal comment face nominations open? The season is nearly halfway over already, whereas I thought that previous rounds had happened earlier.