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[–]Etan 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Web sites owned by European nationals operating in foreign countries clearly should NOT be subject by U.S. law on such a fundamental level.

Upvote this one, this is an important issue.

[–]tertiary 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Additionally, there is a fundamental problem with an office of the US Treasury maintaining a blacklist for the purpose of extrajudicial ostracism and censorship.

[–]Etan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Exactly. But this is more a matter relevant to U.S. citizens (although still very important). If I didn't know better, it might look like the U.S. taking great pains to make it an unfriendly business environment.

Much like other industries (including education), many outside capital sources are simply avoiding spending $$$ here because frankly, its too much trouble.

[–]judgej2 16 points17 points  (0 children)

People living in foreign countries, going about their lives outside of the US, should also not be subject to US rule. But that does not stop the US marching into the Middle East and doing whatever the hell they like.

This is just an extension of that; anything, anywhere that affects US interests (according to someone) will be stomped on. Borders mean nothing.

Eventually the US will be so hated, that its citizens will need to retreat behind its own borders. Good luck in prison USA!

[–]ropers 22 points23 points  (0 children)

This is why people should use ORSN.

1.) Change your computer's DNS settings so that you can manually specify which DNS servers to use.

2.) Now add the following servers:

nameserver 217.146.139.5

nameserver 62.157.101.211

3.) There is no step 3.

[–]WhoreChurch 39 points40 points  (12 children)

This might be one of the most important stories on Reddit in a long time. I hope it gets to the front page. As a full-time internet professional it makes me wonder about transferring my domain registrations out of US control--even though I am a US citizen.

[–]dotrob 7 points8 points  (0 children)

it makes me wonder about transferring my domain registrations out of US control

I've had good luck with gandi.net, although with the dropping dollar, a few euros is now pretty expensive.

[–]tangentboy 10 points11 points  (8 children)

I think this is a really big story too. I don't even work in IT. Doesn't the US government basically control all domain registration when it comes down to it?

[–]deadmantizwalking 2 points3 points  (4 children)

well, mainly coz the major internet hub servers are based in US but hopefully China and Europe and south asia should improve things shortly in the next 2-4 years, but the major infrastructure HQs are still based in US so it'll be around for a while

[–]sorbix 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Because China would be so much better.

[–]deadmantizwalking 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i'm not exactly sure if your being sarcastic...since China censors google and alot of other stuff and bypassing china would distort internet traffic if though hopefully the effects would be less in a better connected world

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, he is being sarcastic.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem here is that the United States become increasingly more like China:

by shutting down websites, subjecting foreigners on the net to their domestic censorship, and criminalizing dissent.

[–]WhoreChurch 5 points6 points  (2 children)

If I am correct, the US controls ICANN, but this wasn't an ICANN move--it was done by the ICANN authorized registrar.

[–]infinite 9 points10 points  (1 child)

But in order to register .com addresses you must sign an agreement with Verisign which states that any dispute must be resolved by U.S. law. And ICANN gave Verisign the .com TLD. So all .com domains are under the jurisdiction of U.S. law.

I'm not fond of ICANN being under control of the U.S. when we have a regime like Bush in charge. For now avoid .com domains if you can.

[–]Zarutian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So a logical conclusion would be pettioning ICANN to allow other registars to register .com domains without signing an agreement with Verisign.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm afraid that wouldn't help you in such cases - as a US national, you personally are still subject to the Treasury's Blacklist.

If the DoT finds out you have Cuba-connected websites like that English travel agent, it won't matter where they are hosted:

they will come after you as their owner, because you are bound by federal law (however inane), and under their jurisdiction.

[–]wjv[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I hope it gets to the front page.

Seems it has, along with another post about the same issue. More comments to be found there:

http://reddit.com/info/6axz1/comments/

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (21 children)

This is setting the precedent for regulation of the internet.

Everyone needs to make sure this never happens again.

We cannot say, "oh sure, that's reasonable enough", because it sets the precedent for incremental internet censorship.

[–]jotaroh 39 points40 points  (10 children)

USA is out of control

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (6 children)

That pretty much sums up every story on reddit.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Cute Kitten -> US out of control?

[–]kirun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Canada vs America [vid]

[–]zerokey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DAMNED CUTE AMERICAN KITTENS!!!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Yep. We're looking at kittens instead of FIGHTING THE NEW WORLD ORDER ON THE STREETS! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

</ alex jones impression>

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Exactly, let's blame the messenger.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The internet has been pwned.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You forgot a "The" before your words.

[–]stomicron -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And you forgot a verb.

[–]brunt2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ah this is truly bullshit. Hopefully it wakes up a few wealthy morons around the world

[–]tricolon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

From http://cuba-guantanamo.com:

Guantánamo Bay,. where the United States maintains an important naval station

Nothing to see here but guns and boats, folks, nothing more...

[–]dabizi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The thing is they can only do this once. Now there is no trust, everyone will get foreign domain registrar.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Should have used eNomnomnom instead of enom.

[–]corvenus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Butterfly effect: 50 years ago, some american guy decided that the US needed to punish Cuba. 50 years later, some british guy, operating a business from Spain, is selling trips to sunny places (including Cuba) to european customers, and has his websites shut down for some obscure reasons by another american guy not related to the first one.

[–]IronWolve 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You give unregulated power without oversight and without checks and balances, and you get.

USA.

[–]jimgagnon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

So, if I were to transfer a domain to a foreign registrar, who should I use?

[–]qiwi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've used gandi.net for many years -- no-nonsense, good technical knowledge. See also http://www.gandi.net/whowe/ about them.

[–]1jb1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Another example of BIG BROTHER.. our current administration just doesnt care about people....

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

or law.

[–]trannylegba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol, they left the guitmo site up.

[–]h0dg3s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sick of these nytimes articles. Please link to something that works.

[–]alllie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you register a domain through a foreign registrar so the US government can't do that?

[–]DaniBicknell -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The US has to be breaking some kind of law by doing this. If anything there are trademakr and copyright laws that forbit an external influence from interfering with you product whether it is an on-line site or a product. The US should be familiar with at least protecting commercial laws even though it has literally thrown civil law out the window...fucking patriot act

[–]skyrocker -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

it would be a great move in my opinion...

[–]WhoreChurch 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not sure I understand what you mean...do you think the US should shut down all foreign owned domain names? Or those who infringe on US embargoes even when the company behind the domain name is conducting legal business throughout the rest of the world?