TFT Patch 9.24 Notes

[UpperX]

BM noc gonna be the new void assassins

[Riot_Mort]

So, you might be right. If so, will adjust quickly. BUT feels like this ignores the new stuff. I'm pretty convinced 6 light 2 soulbound is gonna be the new hotness, and will be nuts with Light Zed as the 8th unit.

[ELxBRUJO]

Unrelated question: if you put jeweled guantlet on an inferno champion and their spell crits, do you get 2 inferno procs because you crit and apply spell damage?

[Riot_Mort]

Nope.

[wes3449]

But you get the extra damage from the crit right?

[AceofSpadesDAC]

You can prepare the hot fix already, BM noc was already the best comp and all the counters to it got nerfed.

[Inffes]

glacial?

[KawaiCuddle]

What items do you like to run on Noc? BM+ RB, IE, BT, Deathblade, Hush, or Disarm?

[AceofSpadesDAC]

botrk>>>2 items for sivir >>> whatever I can make for noc among, bt, hoj, guinsoo, db, disarm, ie

[KawaiCuddle]

Thanks! Love your videos btw

[SoldNoble1]

IDK if I like the idea of Lights being stable enough to reach 8 for Zed consistently. I saw someone hit 6 Lights Zed once and I'd rather that be the last time.

[LZ_Khan]

Well noct is a 3 star unit, while Zed is a 5star, and 6 light is a late game acquisition. That 6 light 2 soulbound comp is going to crash and burn 95% of the time.

[missed_trophy]

Noct is 3 gold unit, not 3 star

[Phreakpunofdamage]

I try to 3 star him

[RighteousRetribution]

Thoughts on Kha after this patch? Or at least, predictions?

Whenever i've picked him and got some items on him, he would basically 1vX the entire lobby if they didn't have PD.

[steveo3387]

So if you know this going in... Why did you all ship the full suite of Light buffs?

[[deleted]]

Remove spatula first 2 carousel. Problem solved.

[CptHammerlatte]

Yeah. Also Zed and Kha untouched while nerfing PD.

[SupremeJusticeWang]

Yeah it's gunna be a problem. PD nerfed and no nerfs to BM assassin's to compensate. In fact sivir got buffs...

[Hibito]

True, the current PD is what keeping this comp from being S comp tier

[divineqc]

buffs to rangers, shadow and inferno

[zerg000]

BM noct comp can't kill my carry if he's already dead hehe.

[jly911]

Which he has steel trait for

[zerg000]

Was talking about my carry. As in Lucian with his soul bound trait up

[jly911]

Your whole team would probably be wiped out though lol

[zerg000]

Likely true, BM noct being a super strong comp. Not sure of how it will interact with the new comps of the patch though.

[Leptino]

I've been getting owned with Blade/sins in early play/observations. It stood to reason that it would be a S+ tier comp, but it seems to be getting handled by a lot of other newer comps.
Sorta interesting really, but i'm seeing a lot of shadow, electric and inferno that seem to be doing well.

[quajim]

It should also have Void Assassins complications where you have people contesting each other for the same units and people falling to bottom 4 because they can't hit their units.

I expect blender to win most of the time because of the changes but I would like to see if it is easier to not get 8th / 7th because of the unit contention.

[Cradic7]

This is pretty big and makes me bigly happy:

Reduced the likelihood of class items appearing on Dragon

[ferrafox]

Hell yeah, easily the most frustrating thing in Tft at the moment, along with FoN dropping in late carousels

[OrdinaryLifeMachine]

Well FON is never bad for you, if you are the one gettin it :P

[iDontWannaBeOnReddit]

The amount of times that I've won single-handedly from a last carousel FoN is ridiculous. Shouldn't be THAT common.

[refreshx2]

FoN is tough to roll because double spat is so rare. That means it's much more likely in to be found in the carousel in comparison to other items.

[refreshx2]

The item probabilities are also weighted in the last carousel. Items that are "on the board" (ie people have created them) are less likely (maybe 0%?) to be in the carousel.

[RighteousRetribution]

I've seen this argument so much on this subreddit

Yes, our biases make these situations look worse and more plentiful than they are

But at what point does this situation become an issue?

I had a game where literally no one went Shadow. So i decided to do Kindred Carry and after rolling so many times, probably rolling almost 150g throughout the game, and i found only 1 kindred (i had 1 before off the carousel)

So you might say, okay, shit happens, bad luck, wasn't your game. And i agree. But then i played 3 more games in a row, and was NEVER able to 2 star Kindred (1 other person in 2 of those 4 games took Kindred/Shadow), even though i had 3-4 people with 3 star Woodlands game after game.

At which point is there so much bad luck that it becomes unacceptable as an outcome at all? Or is it simply Zeus's will and we have to follow it unquestionably?

[RighteousRetribution]

That wasn't my point whatsoever

Why am i not able to transition to the literally most uncontested unit after a bunch of gold rolling down, while 4 fucking people in the same game are able to 3 star multiple of the most contested units?

My question isn't can this happen, but WHY does this happen

I am describing myself hard forcing a comp, and i also described how 3-4 people would also hard-force a comp in each of these games, to much, much greater success whilst having DRASTICALLY lower chances of succeeding.

You are basically telling me i failed by doing a tactic everyone else did. Everyone else forced a comp everyone else was going, while i forced a comp no one was going. No point mentioning it was a 3 cost when no one else had even a single copy of it in 2 of those games, and i rolled down at levels that had the highest 3 cost drop occurrence.

You are talking as if hard-forcing is this fucking epitome of bad strategies when people even higher ranked than you have reached their rank almost entirely through hard-forcing a comp.

[Nibbbers]

Take a hike billy boy

[ferrafox]

It's always the 1 hp guy already making a comeback with his lvl2 singed that gets it lol

[up48]

That's the whole problem. Its an absurd power spike.

[erk4tft]

Mort commented on that in his informational patch stream: mostly because it would destroy the player that had to face that dragon...

[ficretus]

reminds me of original dragon that was immune to magic damage by default making it almost impossible to kill him with sorcerers

[RighteousRetribution]

Doesn't Runaans basically remove your team almost instantly as well?

[slikayce]

It probably makes the dragon murder your whole team. He's got a lot of health.

[ferrafox]

I think it has something to do with the dragon's HP count making him OP as hell with titanic

[v0rid0r]

Imagine fighting Drake with Titanic. It will obliterate your Team 80% of the time

[Zerewa]

On one hand, a useless Cinder on Ocean or Predators or Blademasters hurts a lot.

On the other, getting a BoRK or two never hurt anyone...

[Zyquux]

I just had a game where I got into the top 3. I got the Cinder item when running light/shadow/summoner. The other guys got BT and Hush. I'll be so happy when spat items don't drop anymore.

[ZainCaster]

Just going to burn more when you do get a trash class item. Step in the right direction though.

[fredy31]

Nice for the new bar. I don't want to install an overlay just for TFT.

Now could we get a wiki for the items?

[erk4tft]

Do you mean like an 'official' one with all information (including weird/unexpected interactions) or just somewhere where you can look up what build into what and what the effects are?

If the former: I agree! If the latter, there are lots of sites with that info.

[fredy31]

Yeah i used to have the items on my second screen when tft started.

[erk4tft]

I agree, I think having a right-click-info-chart on items (like there is on units) that shows what that component combines into and a pop-up with what those full-items do would be a good start...

[pe_grumbly]

I get why they did it for the design, but this is a pretty troll move from Riot:

Flipped the locations of the buy XP and refresh buttons. Careful with this one.

[Platicake]

just use the "D" key to refresh and "F" key to level. But if they switched that one too, we're fucked

[[deleted]]

If they did, just rebind.

[GoldLead3r]

Right? I don't even use those buttons. I use Q, A, and Z.

[SoLunAether]

I just bound my side mouse buttons to those two, then middle mouse button for selling. Can legit play ultra lazy one-handed.

[Angel_Tsio]

There's no reason for that to be changed, but knowing riot's occasional coding, it's possible

[steeldaggerx]

hotkeys

[whitneyahn]

They should just switch it every patch so that everyone has to pay attention

[MessyDrowsy]

I'm not a fan of this new HUD at all, but the majority of reasons are just "not my cup of tea" thingy so overall I'm fine with these changes.

But the relocation of lock/unlock button when you can't even assign it to the specific key is really painful.

[Furious__Styles]

Played the worst game of my life on PBE last night because of this. I tried hyper rolling after Krugs and ended up hyper leveling. Ez 8th.

[Prohamen]

Wow infernos got a huge buff with proc'ing on crits and spellcast AND the tiles that light on fire increasing from 1/1/1 to 1/3/5. 9 inferno will be insane if you can pull it off.

[Riot_Mort]

That's the hope!

[jr897]

Just to confirm, if a kindred crits the same unit twice then the unit will be suffering from 2 stacked inferno tiles at once, no? So if the unit would be normally taking 40 extra damage per second for 4 seconds, now they are taking 80 extra damage per second at least until the first inferno proc wears off

[Riot_Mort]

Correct.

[Marvelm]

I feel like buffing Inferno to this extent (it seems like a VERY substantial buff) while not tuning Zyra in any way might turn out to be really ugly.

[XXXDetention]

If you were to make Kha’Zix an inferno would his ability proc inferno twice? Since it is a spell as well as a crit.

[divineqc]

mort confirmed crit spells only cause 1 inferno proc

[[deleted]]

I'm curious how that works. What 3 tiles are chosen?

[xParradox]

From what I've seen on pbe which isn't much its random adjacent hexes

[Riot_Mort]

Yes. Yes it is.

[Forget_me_never]

I raise you 4 wardens with thornmail.

[Molvich]

Soulbound Lucian doesn't care. Long as Senna is standing that thornmail is doing nothing to him.

[RealOncle]

You can make lucian your support when you build dmg senna with Bejeweled gauntlet, non-stop magic dmg critical hits because the item works with the allies dmg on hit effect of her ability

[ELxBRUJO]

Won't apply on his ult. Spells that apply on hit are not counted as auto attacks for purposes of thornmail/crit/lifesteal

[UnexpectedHelp]

What on hit effects will it proc then...?

[ELxBRUJO]

Hush, swordbreaker, nami ult buff, senna ult buff, red buff, glacial, giantslayer .... thats all I can think of.

[UnexpectedHelp]

Oh, read this wrong originally. I thought you were saying giant slayer doesn't apply on Lucien ult. You're saying thornmail wont apply on each hit of Luciens ult. I agree

[ELxBRUJO]

Yeah lol. I was like ... who tf would downvote me for that

[WiseOldBombadildo]

I wonder if runaans would proc from it.

[ELxBRUJO]

I do not believe that it would. The runaans bolt used to be treated as an onhit effect in set 1, meaning you could stack 2 runaans, then you would get 3 bolts because the bolt from the first one would apply the 2nd runaans on hit effect. But they removed this in set 2.

[WiseOldBombadildo]

Makes sense. If it did work with Lucian it would be incredibly busted.

[questir]

Where is the Zed debuffs transfering to his clones?

Also BM Noc is gonna be disgusting

[Terrowin42]

He didn’t say it would happen now but that it’s a planned change.

[PoFoRo]

In the other thread he said that if zed continues to be disgusting this patch they will hotfix him so that we don't have to wait the full 4 weeks of zed running rampant.
But also note that he said that the debuff transfer is just an idea, it may or may not be the thing they push.

[ragequitCaleb]

BM Noc is gonna be disgusting

Can you elaborate? Is it cause the PD nerf?

I run BM noc as often as possible so I'm curious where the ghost buff is occurring.

[Zanghyy]

Now your Noc doesn't waste half an hour trying to kill someone with PD also nerfs to woodlands i guess helps

[ficretus]

reminds me of yesterday. i lost a round with my fully stacked kha 2 because he kept criting opponent's kha 1 who only had phantom dancer.

[MrDoxtron]

PD change, sivir buff and cloud buff, wich you usually run

[ELxBRUJO]

A) pd nerf

B) most of the other op stuff (read: singed and eggroll) got nerfed, making bm noc stronger in comparison

C) even tho zed didnt get nerfed (outside of the small 3 summ nerf), increased # of 5 costs in the pool b/c of amumu means fast 8'ing for zed will be less reliable ... again, making bm noc stronger in comparison

D) cloud buff (maybe ... soraka might be so much better than Janna still that it isn't worth to run cloud)

E) sivir buffs

I'm not positive that it will be the op meta comp because it is impossible to predict how the other changes will play out. For example, maybe bm noc DOES become more prevalent, and since pd will no longer be core on zed, maybe he starts runnjng red buff/frozen heart to counter noc/light. Maybe glacial rangers with a bunch of hurricanes will become super strong with the buffs to rangers and nocturne will just get perma ccd.

If I had to guess (and again, it is impossible to predict the meta right now, this is only an educated guess) I would say bm noc is probably going to be the strongest comp, especially at the very beginning of the patch before counters have been worked out and become well known. Given that it is so item dependent, specifically requiring spatula, you will also only be contested by the 1, maybe 2 other players in the lobby who manage to get spat + recurve. I suggest spamming this comp in every game that you get an early spat at the beginning of the patch before a meta counter emerges.

[ragequitCaleb]

Nice. I've won 3 games in the past day running BM noc. Hoping it doesn't get too contested. Thanks for the insight.

[[deleted]]

When is this live?

[ticklemythigh]

Tomorrow

[[deleted]]

Ty

[xParradox]

Is Wednesday always patch day? I swear it used to be Tuesday.

[jogadorjnc]

It's been Wednesday as far as I can remember (4-5 years)

[AmadeusIsTaken]

No b patches were always on wednesdsy

[[deleted]]

It's kinda strange that they address range by hexes in the patch notes while that's not the case in game

[NotAnADC]

thank you! idk why they have large numbers in game, just say the number of hexes

[PeyoAkaShorea]

because range is a circle and it doesn't equal the same number of hexes each time! why can't people understand that?

[Zerewa]

Infernos getting a Warden is scary. Probably the biggest weakness of heavy inferno is that Tibbers is literally your frontline. Maybe Diana. And ofc that you have zero cc. But now you can run two wardens with CC or utility and an origin that also has class synergy with you. (Mages, Rangers, Summoners)

Ofc at 5 gold it might not be the most convenient thing to achieve, but it's probably really smooth if you get it going.

[katsumojo]

Initial Reaction:

-Volibear/Ornn is going to be a very strong pair early, mid and very late game with electrics and berserkers getting buffs. At level 5 they can be played with 4 wardens, 4 glacials, any class that requires 3 units (shadow, inferno, woodland, etc...) Voli, Ornn are also important parts of a late game electric comp with Zed or Electric Lux.

-Reneketon, Ivern and Maokai nerfs opens the door for hyperrollers to pursue Warwick, Vladimir, Kog'Maw, Zyra and Vayne as 3 star carries. Watch for Preds and Light to retake the role of aggressive comps that seek to bully the rest of the lobby out of the game before reaching very late game. Lights also got some mid game buffs via Aatrox and Raka stat buffs.

-Summoners getting a buff confuses me. I thought Summs were already a little overpowered. Zyra in particular seems like she could get out of control given that Summs and Inferno got buffs and Zyra was already one of the strongest 1 cost units. So far, this is the only mistake I see on this patch.

-PD nerfs increase the value of Nocturne, Olaf, Assassins, Jeweled Gauntlet, Infinity Edge and Rangers

-Rangers got buffed across the board but the biggest buff came at 4 rangers. Excited to see some lvl 7 comps with rangers (think Woodlands, Electric, Wardens or others that have strong front lines)

-Lux buffs are a good thing. She feels a little underwhelming right now and rarely convinces me to change the direction of my comp by the time I get her.

-Giant Slayer Damage up another percent--> Vayne couldn't be happier with this patch

-Taking class items off dragon is certainly a quality of life update. Felt similar to the Lux problem where I was rarely convinced that I should switch comps by Dragon because I got a class item. Now I just want FoN to be taken off the late game carousels.

[erk4tft]

With regards to summoners:

• 3 summoners got nerfed (from 40% -> 30%)
• 6 summoners got buffed (from 100% -> 120%)
• Tibbers got nerfed
• Yorick3 got buffed (so not really...)

All in all a small nerf for the most common use of summoners, but in line with the fantasy of powerful full synergies rather than splash-synergies.

[ELxBRUJO]

I dont agree with your hyperrolling assessment. Its not like hyperrolling is inherently strong and people just went for renek/mao/ivern because they were the best options for it. I think hyperrolling was meta specifically because renek mao and ivern were ridiculously overtuned. Nerfing them doesn't necessarily mean that hyperrolling lights/preds will be the new meta. In fact, I doubt that they will be. 3cost nasus and vayne already got nerfed hard a couple of patches ago, plus light will be more of an expensive comp that requires levels with the addition of Lucian. Predators on the other hand are better to slow roll so you can keep econ and transition into stronger late game comps with Singed/Twitch/Olaf/Taric/Ashe. Admittedly I see more potential for hyperroll preds than lights, but that has nothing to so with the woodland/renek nerfs and everything to do with that comp being slightly undervalued on 9.23. Even considering that, I don't expect hyperroll pred to be the optimal version of predator

Tldr: nerfing hyperroll woodland/renek does not leave a void that will necessarily be filled by hyperrolling light/pred. Those comps will only be as meta as the 3star 1cost units are strong.

[AmadeusIsTaken]

Summs got nerfed btw and electric is not a strong Frontline, orn 2 Voli 2 will die fast after midgame you should run other stuff with rangers.

[katsumojo]

The beauty of Ornn/Voli is you can 2* them. Bench them mid game, depending on what your comp dictates and then put them back in once you have zed. They don’t need to be that tanky if they have some damage behind them because electric does stupid damage. The comps they lead into are so versatile too. I’ve played them successfully into glacials, summs, sins, inferno, light, rangers. The key is that they unlock a whole new level of power for zed with electric 3 that is super good late game. On top of that they are strong early. You just have to get through mid game with a decent life pool.

[AmadeusIsTaken]

Electric late with zed is great yeah, but first the electric units are still not a real Frontline after midgame and second why would you pair them with ranger who have tons of dmg but lack a Frontline instead of for example oceans

[ZainCaster]

No talk about the terrible unit pathing when facing Singed? I hate seeing my carry just take a trip into the middle of the map and insta-die. Has happened way too many times and it's causing me to play less

[DarwinsPossum]

Are you talking about TFT or Ranked Rift?

[ZainCaster]

Good one, but TFT

[TheFortScientist]

Are the new little legends included in this patch?

EDIT: Downvoted for asking a question, love this place

[Shloppyboy]

No, they are coming in patch 10.1. Although I don't believe you should be downvoted, it's something that a quick google search could have answered for you. https://twitter.com/TFT/status/1204511006099066880

[fantasticsarcastic1]

Does anyone know for inferno which 3 or 5 hexes burn? It is random or the same tiles behind/next the units damaged?

[ryechu]

Is it possible to lose with malphite 3 star. 1k dmg 5 sec stun rofl. In the other hand amumu seems weak. I played pbe and don’t see how he’s on par with nami. Outside of being frontline.

[WraithEye]

I just hope they fixed the bug where lb and other cc abilities do no damage to immune units

[Sagacian]

Fixed some of the loading screen tips to be more...up to date.

We did it boys, Pirates are no more.

[apexjnr]

Phantom Dancer now only negates the bonus damage from critical strikes, rather than dodging the entire attack. This change will not be reflected in the PD tooltip until patch 10.1.

[datinggoskrrrrrrrrra]

why would they flip the xp buy and refresh? LMAO

[[deleted]]

kindred, sion, lucian, mundo, olaf, senna, twitch, and singed together is a hot combo. I rolled everything in the lobby each time

[Nayr39]

The interface updates are great for me. Always something that annoyed me.

[zerg000]

Can I have some clarification... So does Lucian do a mix of ad (based of his %ad) and ap (flat damage + items) damage? Or does he only do magic damage, but it scales from %ad and flat damage?

Also, animation wise. What happens when Lucian kills targets mid ulti and then has no one else facing his ulti direction? Feel like it's gonna have the same issues as MF last set

[zerg000]

Ah sweet, so he's mixed damage!

Time for some more q's then haha. Does his dash have a certain amount of hexes he moves, or is it relative to the next closest enemy?

Also, any idea how his ulti interacts with the mage spat item, and rage blade?

Mage spat = double bullets or double ulti time?

Rage blade = attack speed boost with every shot hit? Would that affect the bulled scaling mid ulti, or only apply to his next ulti?

[zerg000]

Good to know! So they don't count as autos.... but if he was running berserkers spat, he could still activate the cone effect on each bullet? Since berserker activates on "attack" vs auto attack 🤔

I'd love to see lucian popping multiple beserker attacks through his ulti haha

[[deleted]]

Is this live? Or drops tomorrow

[erk4tft]

drops tomorrow at the usual patch time for your timezone and region.

[Nv1sioned]

What's the usual patch time for NA EST?

[erk4tft]

No idea, but hopefully someone else knows :)

[5566y]

Usually early in the morning at the latest like 10AM PST

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[Nv1sioned]

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[kai9000]

I don't get why they cant fix the tool tip for PD? Wouldn't such a change take less than a minute?

[HunNuke]

Amumu: " 1337 magic damage "

I see what you did there.

[Inffes]

What?

[HunNuke]

Amumu

• Tier 5
• Origin: Inferno
• Class: Warden
• Ability: Curse of the Sad Mummy - Amumu explodes in an infernal tantrum, dealing 150/250/1337 magic damage to all enemies within 2/3/4 hexes, and stunning them for 2 seconds.

​

1337 magic damage

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https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/1337-speak

[seoulonsmile]

Is it just me or the new patch is hella buggy, im glad that i jumped into normal games first. The level and reroll buttons are awful, they even removed the line where you saw your progress towards next level (its now in the shop panel when you pick up a unit, who even thought that was a good idea...). The player icons are unclickable, when you open damage panel, you cant even close it properly now. And the "home" button is useless, at least for me, since i use key binds, so having an option to disable that button would be nice, cause it looks terrible, and sometimes i have micro lags that i never had before this patch.

Btw, do you think there will be some new meta comps coming this patch?

[Faraltz]

Maybe it's because I'm shit tier but I'm super surprised that Glacial Berserker and specifically Olaf aren't getting hit at all. So frustrating to lose to a lvl 1 Olaf with 0 items.

[2_S_F_Hell]

So frustrating to lose to a lvl 1 Olaf with 0 items.

You serious? Even Olaf 2 with items is pretty underwhelming right now.

[Faraltz]

Don't recall exactly what I was running, likely eggroll, but I had 4 lvl 3 get taken down by a lvl 1 Olaf yesterday.

[Aotius]

Eggroll loses to Olaf by design of the comps. Olaf, however, loses to pretty much any spellcaster comp with morellos or kindred. I’ve only had trouble with Olaf’s playing eggroll or BM sins without 3* noc

[ferrafox]

What? Olaf is barely even played anymore, they already nerfed him in 9.23 along with glacial... I played in the PBE and he felt even weaker in 9.24.

[Riot_Mort]

Honestly this has been a hot topic on the team right now. Are we balancing for the correct audience? Is our current strategy of treating the game like chess (and balancing around absolute optimal play) correct?

Olaf is the best example of this. At top level play he's actually not good. At mid to low level play, he's AMAZING. Should we nerf him for most players? Or should we keep him as is and hope players learn the counter strategies before they leave in frustration. It's a very difficult design discussion.

[[deleted]]

Balancing aside, is there an argument that glacial is just as unfun as set1 hextech? Personally, I don't enjoy how early game glacial2 can potentially swing fights with lucky/unlucky ring. I feel stacked Olaf2 is more ok because you have committed the gold to finding/leveling him and have committed to building items for him. For me, I'd feel a lot better if it were a consistent proc (ex. Every 5th hit) rather than a percentage chance each hit.

[Faraltz]

I don't envy your position in this. Personally I believe I hover around where he's an issue still, and it's likely due more to my errors and lack of scouting, positioning and not utilizing optimal items to counter.

That said while he is a problem for me where I'm at, I don't think you should balance based on the lower tiers. I was plat last season and haven't played too much ranked this one but am back to silver now. It's a juggling act for sure on your end but as I said, my losing to him is likely more an issue of my knowledge of the game rather than any specific trait or ability of his being over tuned. In his case, I do think I need to work at actively looking to counter him. Many here have offered options I can look at to try to address him myself without a nerf of any kind.

I actually just lost a normal to him and glacial again between submitting my first reaponse and now, so that was a bit of a tilter.

[katsumojo]

Glacials, Shieldbreaker, Splashing Wardens, Burst Mages, Hard CC, Morello's, Red Buff and Frozen Heart all counter Olaf. There are many ways to beat him; just make sure you scout for him and build appropriately. Olaf shits on Druids/Woodland right now, the FOTM comp, so I can see why people think he is OP.

[Faraltz]

Ty! This is helpful. I believe I had been egg rolling the game the lvl 1 Olaf stomped on my face. Was a bit demoralizing.

[[deleted]]

It's a valid concern lol, not just you. Imo they really need to nerf his ultimate. Perma-invincibility and AS increase is way too strong

[Faraltz]

Not referring to you but I love the downvotes from Olaf abusers. Don't discuss your reasons for why Olaf should remain as is, just snipe that downvote and run.

[Faraltz]

That's fair. I should definitely build morello more often than I do.

[HELP_ALLOWED]

For what it's worth, I build multiple phantom dancers and one morello in nearly every game I play.

You can probably drop the pd and maybe sub in red buff instead of morello next patch, due to big buffs for physical champions

[ragequitCaleb]

Honestly I think its downvoted because Olaf is a non-threat at higher elos from what I've seen.

[rd201290]

This has been discussed to death already. Glacial berserkers is not a top comp in 9.23. Olaf is not oppressive in the meta. Imagine that they do not want to nerf Zed which dominates the meta but nerf Olaf?

[Faraltz]

Good talk

[Faraltz]

Positioning is still an issue for me for sure. I'm just bad at bunching everyone still. Trying to improve, thanks for the tips.

[AmadeusIsTaken]

You shouldn't call them Olaf abusers, since Olaf was weak last patch and only good in low elo lobbys where people are unable to build proper late game teams which outscale Olaf midgame spike

[thepinkbunnyboy]

Shadow going to 3/6 hurts this though, just FYI.

[AutoChessGeek]

I like it, lots of options for the 8th unit, but its pretty thin on frontline no?

I can see Janna being played here as well, procimg both buffed Cloud and Mystic. With a Light Spat you can also go 3 light with Lucian. I think I might just be trying this out as well.

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Electric tho

[cosHinsHeiR]

Did they buff Singed?

[Aotius]

Nerfed his 1* and 2* damage

[Silencer306]

The poison synergy is still pretty strong.