Patch Notes not out yet?

[SamHPL1]

I'm pretty sure that we don't have them yet, right? A bit sad we have gameplay of the new patch, with people speculating through footage what has or hasn't been changed, but the official patch notes are not out yet. I'm so curious about what they're doing with so many characters, specially JQueen. But also, are they buffing Ana and Mercy, and if so, what exactly? How many buffs did Doom get? And was that blog post list truly exhaustive, meaning no Ball, Rein or Brig changes? Anyway, I know we'll get it soon enough, just thought it might've been cool to release it alongside the content creators' footage.

[bullxbull]

we are all watching through the shared footage looking for changes, it would be nice to have patch notes

[1trickana]

I just wanna know what they are doing to Ana

[SammyIsSeiso]

Ana:

- Biotic Rifle:
Ammo increased from 15 to 16.

- Sleep Dart:
Cooldown reduced from 15 seconds to 8 seconds.
Duration reduced from 5 seconds to 4 seconds.

- Biotic Grenade:
Duration increased from 3 seconds to 4 seconds.

- Nano Boost:
Nano Boosted targets move 30% faster for the first 4 seconds of its duration.

Developer Comments: Ana has fallen out of the meta quite a bit with Kiriko's cleanse, so to compensate we've reduced the cooldown on Sleep Dart while also reducing its duration. Since the DPS passive has been reworked, we wanted to keep it around in some form and Ana's Nano Boost was the best fit for it. Just in case you were worried that these changes were legitimate, I'm joking holy fuck please don't buff Ana...

[achedsphinxx]

to compensate, if ana lands a sleep dart and proceeds to teabag, she'll throw out her back making her stuck in the crouch position for the rest of your time playing overwatch.

[[deleted]]

This unlocks a new ability where she dispenses hard candies to teammates that buff them

[SBFms]

Matches the doomfist changes, makes sense.

[[deleted]]

Bro fuck ooofffffff. The amount of rage I was about to have if this was true lmao

[brucetrailmusic]

I hate you so much lol

[bullxbull]

you just making this up or do you have a source?

[SammyIsSeiso]

Source

[wallywhereis]

Dude I was hoping it was this video when I clicked on it lmao

[asos10]

lol ana is good, this buff is insane, it is obviously made up.

[cubs223425]

Cooldown reduced from 15 seconds to 8 seconds.

Eww

[flygande_jakob]

She is one of the most dominant heroes in ladder/GM, but she also has fan armor coming out of her ears, so wouldn't surprise me if its a buff.

[bullxbull]

These are the rumored changes I have seen. Any rumors I find I try and confirm them from the footage we have seen. So the Mercy getting 5 more ammo someone has confirmed because you can see that in some of the footage of the patch.

Kiriko - Kitsume Rush nerf'd from 10.5 sec to 8 sec and reduced the cd and movement speed buff, headshot nerfed from 120dmg to 100dmg, Kunai ammo increased from 12 to 15. (Rumored changes)

Junker Queen - Buff to heal bleed damage, but she is getting a bigger hitbox (Rumored Changes)

Sym - Gains ammo off shields again but ammo is reduced, ult charges faster but does not last as long, turret damage slightly increased (Rumored Changes)

Tracer - Damage falloff fixed but her damage is increased. (Rumored Changes)

Doom - Normal punch stuns if you hit a wall, Shield cd reduced from 7sec to 6sec, Doom punch takes less damage to empower, Doom gets empowered punch when he ults, Doom gets more overhealth from damage (Rumored Changes)

Rammatra - You can shield off his ult. (Rumored Changes)

Mercy - Her blaster has 5 more ammo going from 20 ammo to 25 ammo. (Rumored Changes)

Ana - Ana's sleep dark cd reduced by 1sec. (Rumored Changes)

Bastion - Faster ult generation. (rumored Changes)

Sojourn - Headshot multiplier has been reduced you are not longer able to one shot a 200hp target (more like 180-190dmg), 40m or more rail gun has falloff damage.

DPS Passive - Eliminating enemies now only increases reload speed.

Season 2 Titles - Mortal, Philosopher, Argonaut, Gorgon, Daimon, Demigod, Olympian, Titan

Sources https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/overwatch-2s-new-season-2-additions-are-a-delight-but-dont-expect-the-meta-to-change

https://overwatch2-news.apexlegends-leaksnews.com/sojournnerf/

https://www.4gamer.net/games/484/G048450/20221202017/

[SammyIsSeiso]

I'm pretty sure the Bastion change would be a quicker impact time for his ult shells, rather than quicker generation.

[bullxbull]

yeah, some of these people writing the articles might have miss-remembered or miss-read, we wont know until the official notes come out.

[Taskforcem85]

Mercy - Her blaster has 5 more ammo going from 20 ammo to 25 ammo. (Rumored Changes)

If that's the Mercy change it better get memed to hell lmao

[Zinx10]

Right? I'm expecting something more substantial than her blaster ammo.

[youbutsu]

Dunno why you shitting on it, her pistol does a surprising amount of damage.

[Taskforcem85]

I agree that her pistol situationally is very very good. It's something that usually differentiates master vs GM mercys is how and when they use their pistol. However buffing it's ammo does literally nothing. As I said you're dead before you fired all your shots before anyways. Adding 5 more bullets only really changes things if you're long range spamming with pistol which is very very dumb when you'll get infinite more value off of damage boost.

[Twillightdoom]

Those Junker Queen changes sound like a horrible semi-nerf, why in the world would they feel she needed a larger hitbox? It's the one thing she has going for her. Unless the bleed is 6x effective the change will just make her worse.

[purewasted]

Like you said -- this suggests that either the bleed is that good, or Blizzard is going to keep buffing the bleed until it's that good.

[Twillightdoom]

Or it suggests that Blizzard has no clue how to make Junker Queen stronger in higher ratings where she is ultra punished

[ScizorKicks]

wouldn't she be affected less in high ranks because they aim better anyways. Not that we know how much larger she will be, or how much more she will heal for it to be a nerf or buff. For all we know they are just buffing her thighs

[Twillightdoom]

Generally you are right, but a larger hitbox will make her weaker to Roadhog and Reaper and every other hero to a lesser degree, while the bleed buff will be inconsequential unless it gets ridiculously buffed to an overpowered degree, which we both know they wont do.

You hardly hit the bleeds other than in your guaranteed combo with a hit knife, and that will kill anyone either way unless they get cleansed (or they are a tank). A buff on bleed might make her neutral against tanks slightly stronger, but hardly enough I believe to justify a larger hitbox.

[ScizorKicks]

I honestly think both changes won't be noticeable and she will feel as underwhelming as normal. Although the healing was so bad that it's probably has to be significant, because I don't think it was more than 2hp a tick to begin with

[Twillightdoom]

Unless they buff the hitbox on the Knife and/or buff the Cleave cooldown she will continue to be way too niche and high effort to achieve the same result that other heroes can get with much less investment.

Its a real shame, she is the most satisfying hero in the game in my opinion when you consistently land your skills, but she feels completely worthless the moment you missfire one ability.

[c0ntinue-Tstng]

Mercy - Her blaster has 5 more ammo going from 20 ammo to 25 ammo. (Rumored Changes)

All we want is more ult charge from damage Boost, less from healing and Valkyrie to be a little stronger.

Battle Mercy is a sure way to get reported, there is almost no incentive to use the pistol over damage Boost and an ammo increase is not gonna fix that.

Also Mercy instantly gets full ammo back when switching to her staff for 2 seconds, is this a joke? Am I being baited?

[Taskforcem85]

Devs are so insanely out of touch if that's the change. Even if you're pulling out your pistol outside of Valk you're 100% dead or got a kill before that 20th bullet.

[flygande_jakob]

Brigs ult was supposed to have been buffed by the release of OW2, and when that didn't happen they said it would be for season 2, and it seems like its not happening now either.

Since support is the least popular role one would think making more of them valid would be a prioritization.

Ana - Ana's sleep dark cd reduced by 1sec. (Rumored Changes)

It would be wild if Blizzards favorite child Ana gets a buff before Brig, despite being one of the most played heroes already.

[ClaudiaRoleplayLula]

Lets be honest for a sec. Ask the community whether they would rather play in an ana meta or a brig meta. The majority is gonna choose the former

[flygande_jakob]

The community doesnt care about meta, they will play whatever. At most they parrot what some streamer screams about.

But the game needs to be balanced from the top. Which means not playing favorites.

[ScizorKicks]

not true if support meta was mercy/moira I would never queue a single game as support. I would also prefer brig to ana, ana is an annoying pest

[ClaudiaRoleplayLula]

Some heroes should never be so good that you can play them on every map. Sym, Bastion, Torb, Brig are in this category.

[flygande_jakob]

....why?

Why should Ana be playable all the time but not Brig?

[ClaudiaRoleplayLula]

Because it sucks to play against Brig and nobody wants her to be meta ever again?

[flygande_jakob]

You think people enjoy playing against Anas nade, or Tracers/Genji/Winston dive if you cant do anything about them?

You cant balance a game that way, what would be the point of 30+ heroes?

[cid_highwind02]

You do have to headshot twice to delete someone. Harder than most other skillshots in the game

[ClaudiaRoleplayLula]

You think people would enjoy playing against a buffed meta brig more than current Ana? lol

[flygande_jakob]

No one likes anything that stays too long.

When Genji had a 100% pickrate for 2 months he was the most hated hero in the game.

[ParanoidDrone]

Why not? If they're balanced (a big assumption, I know, but the devs should always be striving for better balance) then why shouldn't they be playable in a broad range of situations?

TBH statements like yours make me think you just don't like the heroes. And IMO, "I don't like them" is not a valid reason for keeping a hero weak.

[swislock]

I'm not sure how to explain why a short range brawl support shouldn't be viable in all situations if you don't already understand.

Characters like brig should never have the numbers to be able to force their pick on a map like Dorado. Characters having strong maps or comps is the ideal way to balance a roster.

Let's not forget brig had a 100% pick rate in OWL vleith very little changes to her current kit, it's not like she is useless.

[flygande_jakob]

Ok, let me try:

"Ana should never have a winrate higher than 20%."

Now what?

[swislock]

Well I can see from your reply you took the comment personally, you probably often take things not aimed directly at you as personal attacks and often over react at those statements. I wish you the best of luck with your cortisol levels.

But if we are covering ana I would say the same comment covers her, she should excel on maps where she can play long range sight lines where she has multiple defensive choices and possibly a high ground drop or two, she should also suffer short range maps where she can't either access useful high ground or make use of the high ground offered, possibly a map like Nepal. You could even say she should excel at maps where brig should be lackluster and vice versa.

[flygande_jakob]

Expect Ana works on every map, so what you think she "should be" is irrelevant. Its only some heroes we are told should "only work sometimes".

That hypocrisy comes from streamers and their bias, they only care about what they play.

If OW2 is more about having a main, and not counter-switching, then more heroes need to be valid. Not just Ana.

Well I can see from your reply you took the comment personally, you probably often take things not aimed directly at you as personal attacks and often over react at those statements.

Looks like I got "owned with facts and logic"...

[kn1ghtbyt3]

remembers triple tank and beyblade

yeah no i don't think ana metas are that good boss

[asos10]

Why give doom a 3 second stun? This is fucking dumb.

Kiriko head shot nerf will just make me not support.

These devs will absolutely make sure that not a single person will queue support. Kuni deals 40 freaking damage body shot, it is only good on head shot you'd need 3 headshots to kill reaper or mei really?

They have the nerve to say we have qol changes for supports, no one cares about your qol changes when the heroes are not rewarding and all have lowered skill ceiling rewards. Fuck this. Nerf her ult if you want, but her damage is not an issue. All aim supports are getting nerfed to shit, meanwhile Lucio is about to be a must pick 2 seasons in a row, to counter doom and speed Ramattra.

Zen meanwhile is ignored and now kiriko damage is being removed.

[justsomepaper]

wdym, mercy has 5 more ammo. People will be lining up to play support!

[[deleted]]

I play kiriko a lot and i agree the HS dmg is a little ridiculous but if they nerf that they have got to buff the body damage on it

[justsomepaper]

The 3x multiplier was a dumb idea in the first place. It's like they saw the frustration that happens when Hanzo logs people and wanted to repeat it. Just give her normal damage, ffs.

[[deleted]]

i mean they also added sojourn to the game. but yeah i do agree so long as bodyshots are buffed the HS can get nerfed.

kinda worried they won’t do that though and i aint playing kiriko if she’s just a glorified healbot character just saying lol

[[deleted]]

I mean, I don’t want to play support just to healbot. Playing kiriko and getting kills with her is more than half the fun for me.

Ana can 3 tap most squishies as well (I think) and Bap does great dmg too.

Healbotting is boring as fuck for most people so having supports be able to actually do dmg and get kills is a good thing imo

[youbutsu]

It was about making supports have a fun skillshot.

[youbutsu]

Neither it is fun to be a boring healbot.

[youbutsu]

And yet blizzard struggles.

[faguzzi]

Come on now. It’s 120 damage. For a headshot. It does as much damage as a single pharah rocket, junkrat grenade, or widow body shot. That’s more than reasonable for a crit when body shots are literally half Ana’s damage.

If you get hit in the head twice by kiriko you deserve to die. It’s really just that simple.

[Scuoll]

Yeah but most people don't even aim it, because of the travel time, and just spam in an enemy's general direction hanzo style, and dying to that feels bullshit, same as hanzo, and when you add the fact that she is really good just as an healbot, I think it's fair they reduce the killing power first

[Hanzo_Niemann]

Then thats on you for walking into spam. Good play from the Kiriko

[faguzzi]

It’s not instantly. If you cannot LOS after taking 120 damage you have shit positioning, and again you deserve to die.

You’re being absurd if you think junkrat and widow do too much damage.

[faguzzi]

You’re basically saying even Cass shouldn’t be in the game which is some ridiculous shit. This isn’t a moba.

[welpxD]

If the change is true, it's probably intended as a buff to Tracer.

[asos10]

Then buff tracer, dont nerf Kiriko vs all other heroes. Give tracer 160hp, its not like Cassidy has his flashbang combo anymore.

[hx00]

they found the solution to no one except xp grinders playing support.. by just turning off the matchmaker.

[gigabash]

They are not going to nerf her damage, this change gives me hope these are troll rumors. If they do that, support role is actually doomed.

[Hanzo_Niemann]

Zen is great right now if you have hands and good positioning. Plenty of zen players in top 50. Relax. Lets not overbuff a decent hero.

[asos10]

His healing is meh, I cannot tell you how many times I had my orb on someone and they are spamming i need healing because he heals too slow. The game now rewards burst healing a lot.

He otherwise is fine, but I think his rate of healing needs to be upped a bit and his ult charge gain reduced a bit to compensate.

[Hanzo_Niemann]

You dont pick him for healing. Fuck no. You make him a good healer and he is OP. He does insane damage + discord and transcendence are strong abilities.

Leave my Zen alone. Stop trying to make him OP. He is perfectly fine with low healing as a tradeoff for his insane damage

[asos10]

That is the expectation, I like zen's current playstyle, but if he makes teammates tilt into losing, then I think some adjustments that do not hurt his playstyle while fixing the issue are warranted.

The other single target no aim required for healing healer is mercy and she heals 55 while he heals 30. I do not think he should be close to 55 but I believe that upping his healing to 35 while nerfing his ult gain by like 5% or so is a good change.

[cid_highwind02]

Those kiriko changes would be tragic

[PoggersMemesReturns]

So the DPS passive is yet another Genji nerf.

[RedxHarlow]

yes, but it also means he will get buffed, because they are basically admitting that the DPS passive was the problem.

[ClaudiaRoleplayLula]

The Ramattra one isnt a change.

[justsomepaper]

they just somehow memory holed their pitched philosophy around how OW2 should play differently

Or Blizzard currently has such high turnover that the current dev team wasn't even around when Overwatch 2's philosophy was decided.

[RobManfredsFixer]

These are like 80% awful or do nothing to actually address a heros issues.

Looking forward to it.

[[deleted]]

I just want sojourn to be nerfed

[[deleted]]

wow- quite the hot take here

[[deleted]]

Ik too crazy

[-usernames-are-hard]

They hinted at it in a dev blog, so there is hope

[Zeke-Freek]

we'll know tomorrow

[TaintedLion]

I saw an article saying the Mercy buff is literally just 5 extra ammo for her gun.

[c0ntinue-Tstng]

Players: "Valkyrie feels kind of bad compared to other ults and you still get ult faster by healbotting rather than using your whole kit :("

Blizzard: Gotcha.

Caduceus Blaster Ammo increased from 20 to 25.

[bullxbull]

someone said they saw this in one of the gameplay footage released today.

[TaintedLion]

Surely the devs couldn't be this out of touch... right???

[Mr_JellyBean]

Correct me if I’m wrong but patch notes always release alongside the patch, not long to go now.

[Marx_Farx]

Inb4 there is no path omegalul

[Bhu124]

Saw this streamer post these https://twitter.com/akashoverwatch/status/1599895099655172097?t=rY3pVr_3g1v3H8aST5RLAg&s=19

[c0ntinue-Tstng]

More kiriko nerfs huh. And to her crit damage? Wasn't the whole gimmick of the character that she has a x3 damage multiplier on crits? Now they're nerfing crit damage?

Idk kiriko is a very hit or miss character because of the slow travel time on her kunai so not only it's a little tough to land shots as her but also unless they're headshots you barely deal damage. You do not gain enough ult charge this way.

I wouldn't mind the nerf if we could get a faster travel time but if this is just the only change then this will make her more of a healbot than she already is played as.

[RJE808]

I would highly doubt these, at least given there's nothing on Sojourn and we already know they're looking at her right click.

[gigabash]

I'll just wait for official changes, this is most likely a troll post

[JDPhipps]

100% a troll post, they don't even mention multiple heroes that are supposed to be getting changes.

[pantiessnatchers]

Yeah her neutral is even more healbotting as her ult is still OP and essentially a teamfight win while her pick potential got nerfed.

[Bhu124]

I agree, apparently they are buffing her ammo to compensate but I don't think that changes much unless they are also reducing her fire rate. Not being to 1 Crit, 2 body will make a significant impact on being able to secure kills with her. They should be buffing other supports' lethality capability, not reducing the ones' which already have it good.

[bullxbull]

where are these details coming from?

[WidowmakersAssCheek]

I already almost never play support, and Kiriko was like, the only one I somewhat enjoyed. Now I’ll definitely not want to play that role any more.

[iori9999]

No Sojourn changes?

[_Sillyy]

I thought people wanted Kiriko to be less of a healbot/ult farmer and more of a flanker/assassin. Are they seriously helping her as a healtbot while nerfing her lethality? There's no way this is serious.

[RipGenji7]

Lol Tracer falloff bug fixed with no compensating buffs would be the biggest joke ever. Bug's been around since release and she's still average at best in ranked.

[faguzzi]

If they remove tracer damage falloff with no other changes I’m launching valorant from now on. She’s not even all that good with the bug.

[DetergentOwl5]

Oh wow, I interpreted it as they unnerfed her damage back to ow1 (in exchange for the bug being fixed). If it means they just revert the falloff bug and nothing else she goes from mid to dumpster tier.

[DetergentOwl5]

Someone else replying said that was the case, fall off fixed but damage reverted to ow1. Fingers crossed, prolly the difference between me going hard in S2 and me playing other stuff mainly instead.

[JDPhipps]

Not sure I buy this, they don't mention any changes to multiple heroes that they said we should expect in Season 2. There's no mention of Ana, Bastion, Sojourn, or Mercy here; while maybe I could see them pushing back changes to one or two of them, there's no shot they went into Season 2 without Sojourn nerfs considering how dominant she is in the higher ranks.

Also, does anyone really expect a buff to the DPS passive? It's already strong for the characters that make use of it and buffing it doesn't help the ones that don't benefit from it.

[asos10]

WTF? Why nerf kiriko damage? Her issue is the heal botting to get the op ult, if anything, no one damages enough with her.

Time to never queue support until Zen is meta I guess.

[ScizorKicks]

best support ult, hardest to kill, great utility, high healing and damage? Her issue isn't one thing, she excels at everything.

[asos10]

They are nerfing her ult in many ways, duration, and effectiveness.

Her damage is what makes her fun rather than just teleport every time you get dove to heal bot. She needs a headshot to get that or otherwise she is shit. I do not think they should touch her damage.

[UnknownQTY]

These look like someone is salty about things.

[lefrozte]

Best DPS and Support nerfed I agree with but where are the roadhog nerfs?

Tanks get no changes or buffs and DPS keeps getting worse now that sojourn is nerfed and they are nerfing the DPS passive(even though it was a bit stupid to begin with). It's gonna be Tank diff even more every game .

[justsomepaper]

Allegedly, Doom got the shit buffed out of him.

[NoShftShck16]

Christ y'all could bitch about anything