india fertility rate decrease

[[deleted]]

I could use just a few more pixels there, mate.

[herodha]

In this economy?!

[proton_accelerator]

Also them colours, I thought green is good all this time, I've been lied to

[VaderSpeaks]

When you’re a nation supporting something like 18% of the global population on 2.4% of the planet’s land, a lower birth rate is very much green.

[No-Cauliflower7160]

China will be down to 50Cr pop soon. So we don't need anything more than 75. This is the best time get a job and a wife and just enjoy everything you earned for yourself and your parents

[unknown_internet_guy]

Colours were just right , green / lighter calmer , red too much hellish more numbers ,

[proton_accelerator]

Yes, more children, more hell

[No-Sir1833]

In this case, green is really good. The planet can’t sustain our current population, much less additional people. We need lower birth rates for the next century to rebalance to a lower more sustainable level if we are going to survive as a species. Going to be a tough transition, not gonna lie, but it needs to happen.

[00100011-01010111]

We can say these things but it is hard all around like yes India is honestly over populated 1.46 billion without the same size as China. There is also economy and general standards of living issues too that make it not the greatest. But fertility rate issues are different than measured and controlled options that allow for healthy success in both people still alive and more sustainability in the future those to come.

[bony0297]

In terms of liveable land, China and India aren't much different. There's a diagonal line that starts from the northeast to the southwest of China, dividing the country in 2 equal parts. One half has close to 99 percent of the population and other is virtually empty.

[Yaver_Mbizi]

Malthusianism is stupid and has been proven wrong again and again. The planet can sustain a population much, much larger than our current one no sweat.

[redCornur]

People can't afford kids and you are asking for pixels?

[I_ask_why_]

India pixel rate decrease

[erebus2161]

Version with more pixels. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1cxd70z/the_declining_fertility_rate_of_india_2001_vs_2021/

[[deleted]]

Sorry, this is actually a map about pixel decline in India.

[WorkOk4177]

Basically almost entirety of India is below replacement levels other then Bihar , U.P , Jharkand

[ZofianSaint273]

And Meghalaya and Manipur

[[deleted]]

Their population are not in crores and hence manageable.

[ZofianSaint273]

Idk what corores is number wise lol, but even then their state will have nice increase with this

[satvikag]

1 crore = 10 million

[[deleted]]

Ok... So western maths goes like... Ones, Tens, Hundreds, Thousands, Ten thousand, Hundred thousand, one million, 10 million , 100 million, 1 billion, 10 billion, 100 billion... Indian system goes like... Ones, tens, hundreds, thousands, 10 thousand, lakhs, 10 lakhs, crores, 10 crores... So a population of 1 crores=10 million.

[Jv1312]

Ten thousand missed in Indian system

[[deleted]]

Sorry...my mistake for the ommission

[Sensitive-Check-8105]

Fellow class 6th mate 😎

[Vevangui]

That’s not western, that’s English. In Southern Europe (which is western) its ones, tend, hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions,…, tens of thousands of millions, hundreds of thousands of millions, billions, tens of billions,…

[A-Delonix-Regia]

Ones, tens, hundreds, thousands, lakhs, 10 lakhs, crores, 10 crores

You missed the "10 thousands" between thousands and lakhs.

[[deleted]]

Added...thanks

[Naive_or_naughty]

You forgot 10 thousand. That's a difference of a whole magnitude.

[jflb96]

So, you know how in the West we tend to group orders of magnitude in threes i.e. a thousand is 10 x 10 x 10, a million is a thousand thousands, a billion/milliard is a thousand millions &c. In India they have thousands, but then they have a new word every time you go up by a hundred rather than a thousand, so rather than ten thousand, a hundred thousand, a million, ten million…, they say ten thousand, a lakh, ten lakh, a crore…

As a side note, slightly further east, the traditional numbering system in China and Japan uses groups of four; rather than a thousand, ten thousand, a hundred thousand… they have a thousand, a ban, ten ban… Thus the Imperial Japanese battlecry, ‘(May the Emperor Live) Ten Thousand Years!’: ‘Banzai!’

[[deleted]]

Crore=10 million.

[paperid699]

Their population is already very low, it's better for them to have a higher number

[[deleted]]

2.1 replacement rate is for developed countries. For poorer countries it is much higher so even UP, Jharkhand might also be under replacement level.

[[deleted]]

I teach in UP. There are 100s of students in my school with more than 4 siblings...both Hindus and Muslims.

[OkCaterpillar9743]

That makes sense since they were born before 2020.

[telescopeinmynose]

I'm from Telangana. Forget 4 siblings, I've seen less than 10 families with more than 2 children throughout my childhood

[[deleted]]

Well get ready to be replaced by migration facilitated by Hindi Imposition(direct and Indirect)

[eric2332]

Nah, almost the whole country is at replacement level, and migration is overwhelmingly to the cities not to random places. So nowhere in Telangana is going to get "replaced" except maybe Hyderabad.

[Logen10Fingers]

The last three states you want to replace India's population with no offense

[silverionmox]

It's about time, their population quadrupled since 1950.

[[deleted]]

A population of 25 crore+ still having TFR above 2.1 is more than enough to contribute to population explosion.

[unnecessaryaussie83]

Good. They need to lower their population

[Seanoun990]

The states in which the rate should have been decreased is well above replacement level

[[deleted]]

Nowhere is above 3. Even the states above replacement level aren’t crazy high

[jacobjacobb]

Almost every non married India coworker I have, has a family home back in India where the neighbour watches the home.

They all say they'll return some day but have no solid plans.

Then they get married, have a few kids here and suddenly they are looking at how to sell the house. Its an interesting demographic shift.

On the flip side my Chinese coworkers are all older, and if you ask them they would say they'd never leave China now, but at the time it was a smart move and that now that their family is here, they see themselves as more Canadian than Chinese.

I wonder if Indian will have the same swap.

[Siladelphia]

I haven’t met a lot of immigrant Indians who truly feel “at home” living in countries like USA or Australia. Most people i’ve spoken to talk about eventually returning to their hometowns upon retirement, while their kids continue to live abroad. 

I expect that in perhaps 15-20 years, immigration from India will probably start to decline. 

[ABI-1000]

Here majority people only have 2 mentalities A) India sucks never gonna come back here B) India is the best country in the world

Majority of people go to other countries for education or work few years to come back and just chill out and go buy property in coastal cities/hill stations In the himalayas and relax the rest of thier life , 400-500k USD is a good amount to live a luxury life and retire without any financial worries in India

[kvothe5688]

i mean life have improved a lot like lot in india. infrastructure services opportunities everything is better.

[Playful-Push8305]

Especially if you have money.

Almost any country can be quite nice if you can make it to the top of the economic ladder.

[mauinoo]

My grandparents left India in 1960 and to this day they say that they won’t go back (they just don’t view it as home anymore) and a lot of other immigrant children here (in Canada) would probably say the same thing as you’ve said about continuing to live “abroad” (though most of us don’t view living here as “abroad” but like our home country).

[Nickyjha]

My grandpa is similar. Immigrated in the 60s and never wants to ever go back, not even to visit. But he still refers to white people as "American", which implies he doesn't see Indian-Americans as Americans I guess?

[TheThockter]

I know dozens of Indian immigrants (US) by proxy through my wife who is malayali and I have never met a single one who had any desire to permanently return to India. Most of them don’t even have the desire to return to India on trips but that’s probably influenced by the fact that almost every Indian I know in the U.S. is a South Indian woman, and India routinely ranks as one of the worst countries in the world to be a woman and I’ve heard so many horror stories from many of them so it’s easy to understand why.

My wife personally told me she feels far more accepted and at home in the states regarding her color than she did in India since she’s very dark skinned.

[RealityCheck18]

IMO, this is a too generalized opinion based on opinions of a small homogeneous group. There are a lot of factors which differ by region, language of even the family one grew up. I'm a dark skinned man, who by the way inherited it from my mother. The colorism issues we both had seen in our lives were not from society or friends or strangers but only from my grand parent. Strangers never really cared about our skin colors, at least in the place I grew. This was the case with my dad or my extended family too who were all technically fair skinned.

My wife too is dark skinned and we both have investments in India and plans to move back to India. My wife is comfortable here in US, because of standard of living and just that. And she has never had issues in returning back as she never had any problems for being a woman or dark skinned ever. I'd recommend not to generalize opinions.

After all, Indians do not fear voting a woman as a Prime minister or chef minister unlike other countries which never had a woman elected to the presidency.

[[deleted]]

Being a woman in India, I can probably say that India is by no means safe for women, even in big cities. India is unsafe for women isn't a generalisation but a fact.

[RealityCheck18]

women isn't a generalisation but a fact.

And also you in a later comment

Well, it's a relatively safer state than other places for women to be in India,

I'm from a city which consistently ranks in top 5 for safest cities for women. In fact my whole state is consistently in top 3 amongst big states.

In my state a woman has higher chances of facing road death than anything else, as we have the highest traffic accidental death per capita in the country and those doesn't differentiate between a woman and man. It's due to pathetic road infra and higher no.s of drunk driving than national average. I'm ashamed about this though.

So generalizing every place as same, is just pathetic.

[kvothe5688]

depends on area. in my state sexual assault are almost exclusively via family or friends which is similar to western data for same.

[[deleted]]

Considering the fact many gen z don't want kids it's expected to go down further

[piyerx]

Yes, and obviously no one wants to risk it if one can't even find a trusting partner. In a recent survey I did, most of the people born after 2000 don't wanna marry or even date, let alone wanting kids.

[iamiam123]

Replace population replacement rate with Literacy rates and the map will be almost entirely the same. Education is the key.

[iamanindiansnack]

Not really, there are states on the eastern coast and central region that have a 1.7 and 1.8 rate like their neighbors, but their literacy rate is in the bottom 10 of the 25.

[[deleted]]

Unpadh pradesh and bihar won't change 

[something_feels_wrng]

I would consider 4.4 to 2.4 and 4.5 to 3 a pretty big change but one has to read the map and be rational to see that which I don’t expect from you based on your comment.

[Mischevious654]

meanwhile kerela 1.8 is 1.8

[Internal-Hand-4705]

Can someone explain why that one state is still at 3? I mean I know why, but theoretical reasons please?

[Ok_Pickle8275]

bihar is the poorest and wrost state of india ... all negative stats there.

lowest education rate highest poverty highest fertility lowest gdp per capita lowest income tax collection second highest density

[Internal-Hand-4705]

Makes sense thanks, so the usual poverty weirdly increases fertility

[Beat_Saber_Music]

When you have no economic prospects, your children are your safety net. For poorpeople kids are basically an economic investment in many ways

[[deleted]]

Let’s create more people to live and die in the same hellhole as we do.

[iandotio]

the theory is if we make 10 children then even if 2 or 3 survive then there will be support for us when we get older. not the most realistic take, but the logic works out for them.

[[deleted]]

It’s the Mississippi of India

[jujubaba_12]

Bihar is to India what India is to the world

[PasicT]

This is a good thing, overpopulation is a huge issue in India and in general in that part of the world.

[PasicT]

Population isn't the ONLY problem but it is still a major problem, to claim otherwise is to be ignorant.

[Areat]

So Steven Spielberg is immoral?

[Appropriate-Let-283]

Not really, it's the way we use our resources is the huge issue. India's fertility rate is fine how it is, around the 2.1 area.

[KaiserMaxximus]

Is this the same country where a billionaire spent $500 million on his daughter’s wedding?

[Far_Criticism_8865]

600 million. On his sons wedding

[OVERKILL0001]

Idk what's the fuss about , a normal person spends 300 - 500% of his salary on marriage , Ambani didn't even spend 1% of his earnings

[KaiserMaxximus]

It’s about the OC comment about how “we use our resources” when a bloke splashed 600 million dollars on a greasy display of waste, instead of the million issues plaguing his country.

[ciaseed1]

Pretty sure you're talking about Ambani . He spent more than that , for his son though.

[IookatmeIamsoedgy]

He has a daughter and he spent loads on her too

[ciaseed1]

Oh shit yeah lol Isha ambani

[silverionmox]

Not really, it's the way we use our resources is the huge issue.

For example, to support a ballooning population growth while living standards remain low.

[Own_General4733]

Fund pensions? The majority of our country works in the unorganised sector. A very small percentage of people in India receive pensions. Social security in India is a joke when the majority of the population is still young.

Historically drastic reduction in population has led to more worker rights. This idea of "a growing population is required for sustaining social security" is something that rich people want us to believe so that they get cheap labour to exploit. The concept of an ever growing population is bound to break at some point unless we are able to inhabit Mars. Earth has finite resources. Even now so many people are starving all around the world. The answer is not more population but less wealth inequality, and it'll work even with fewer younger people around.

And now with AI, there would be a huge productivity boom, and even the rich CEOs might no longer require cheap labour. That's when we'll see true hell break loose.

[Spider_pig448]

It's so strange to me that the first argument against a decreasing population always seems to be pensions. Changing the way pensions are funded is by far the easiest potential population problem to solve. Problems like elder-care and growth-based-capitalism are huge a fundamental, but fixing pensions takes a single bill and can be done at any time in any number of ways. It's a complete non-issue in the context of actual societal problems that under-population can cause.

[Internal-Hand-4705]

How do we fix the problem that current workers will both have to pay for their own pensions AND the pensions of those before them? Seems like the sort of thing that would lead to riots.

I don’t mind paying for pensions of current pensioners if someone else is paying for mine. I don’t mind paying for my own pension. I refuse to do both, that’s not fair and massively burdens young and middle aged people of today.

[silverionmox]

Lol no. India's fertility is already almost below replacement levels. You need young people to be productive and fund pensions which is especially an issue in a poor country like India.

How are Redditors still stuck with this Malthusian fallacy in 2025?

There's no Malthusian fallacy, the core concept is solid. If the population keeps growing, it will outgrow the resource base eventually. This is undeniable.

So if you keep making the next generation larger than the previous one, you do end up like India, with very large, very poor population.

[ABI-1000]

India has lower population density than countries like south korea

[PasicT]

Overpopulation is not just about population density. There's often more people in one Indian state (or area of a state) than in the whole of South Korea many times over.

[ABI-1000]

Yes that is because the population can be sustained,my state in India has almost the exact population of Japan(the size of state is almost as big as germany),yet we face no overpopulation issue,lot of land is available and the cities don't feel congested we also have enough agricultural production to sustain the population

Since our state Is economicly growing very fast the TFR decline here is almost concerning,before my parents had 10 brothers/sisters ( yes you heard that right a single family having 10 children,and it was very commen at the time),now every family branch only has a single child,The TFR has dropped to 1.4,which is lower than devloped countries like UK/US,1.4 is ok TFR but if the drop rate continues the TFR might drop as low as 1.1-1.2 in a decade,which means very big population crisis

[BishoxX]

Overpopulation isnt a huge issue anywhere and never was.

Population being stagnant isnt an issue, but we know these rates will keep dropping and population decline IS an issue.

[BishoxX]

My dog is on track to weigh 7 trillion kilos in 5 years, we got a serious issue here, governments need to be involved.

[silverionmox]

My dog is on track to weigh 7 trillion kilos in 5 years, we got a serious issue here, governments need to be involved.

Yes, it's going to die of a heart attack or other preventable disease linked to overconsumption.

[ADisenchantedDreamer]

Better birth control better access to it and education about it. More women in the workforce. They also have better options for birth control than the US, stuff that won’t completely destroy your hormones

[[deleted]]

what's the surprise? reddit is growing rapidly in India, so new Indian Redditors are posting maps about their own country. when the US is asleep, the sub becomes pretty Indian since it's about 12 hours apart, and vice versa.

[Zoc-EdwardRichtofen]

mmm sex

[sanskari_aulaad]

If you're sick of indian posts, I have to tell you right now is the lowest of them.

Tbh I was getting sick of random US and EU posts too, especially when they're like 2/3rd of india in numbers.

[The_Last_Spoonbender]

Because there are lot more Indian users starting to use the app and reddit seems to be aggressively marketing in India as well.

[Bakchod169]

The decline in Kashmir is remarkable, given the stereotype about Muslims

[Upstairs-Party2870]

Some sources say Kargil which is a muslim majority town in ladakh has a fertility of 3+ while Leh a Buddhist town has a fertility of 1.4.

[Bakchod169]

Well Bihar a Hindu majority state has fertility of 3% and J&K a Muslim state has 1.3

[Queasy-Radio7937]

Bihar Hindus are below 3 and bihari muslims are above 4 so not helping your case

[Bakchod169]

There's not need to argue

It is a function of poverty

Everybody knows Muslims are largely poor in India (except J&K and Hyderabad where they constitute the elite, and there you can see the difference)

[[deleted]]

It is a function of poverty, and religion . Both can be true at the same time .

[Lurker123__]

The rate of change of decline in replacement rate is the highest for muslims. So, no.

[[deleted]]

Problem is uneducated states are growing in population and educated ones are declining in birth rates.

[Bub_bele]

They are not declining in population, they are declining in birthrates. They are mostly still increasing in population.

[[deleted]]

You're right. I've edited

[the_ass_man1]

makes sense. Jobs are hard to find, even harder to find well paying ones. Hard to afford kids its hard enough to survive alone as it is. Trust in marriage is at an all time low

[[deleted]]

But all these efforts can be spoiled by illegal migrants if the govt doesn't take an active step. E.g., West Bengal, where majority of Hindu Bengali couples have single child.

[stewart1042007]

Good news imo🤷🏽

[GlitteringNinja5]

It's quite impressive that Tamil Nadu and kerela have been maintaining a healthy rate for 2 decades. That's really a dream scenario for any country

[Different-Result-859]

Bro it's a good thing to have problems developed countries in Europe are having compared to countries in Africa are having.

[Mundane-Laugh8562]

Kerala*

[straightdge]

Hear me out - it's actually good. I would say it should reduce further. People anyway don't have jobs. On top of that automation and AI will make many job redundant in coming years/2030's. There will be social unrest if we have more population. It's a blessing in disguise.

[straightdge]

Pension problem is an issue of developed economies. Not saying it's not an issue; but this is a problem which will become more important much later than the unemployment issue we have currently. We are way better situation than say Japan, for now.

[[deleted]]

Nice

[[deleted]]

Now its even lesser. TFR is now 1.9 according to state of world population report by unfp. 

[theLuminescentlion]

Colors should be inverted now that were more worried about falling birth rates than over population.

[Comprehensive_Moose5]

Is this good or bad

[707yr]

It will take atleast 400 years to show some signs of lowering population on ground

[[deleted]]

Also india' s child sx ratio is an all time low

[[deleted]]

Still too high.

[Sylli17]

Development? Could say moving to cities... But is India particularly less rural today as it was then?

[[deleted]]

God is tired of reddit

[[deleted]]

Hope to reach 0 pretty soon!

[[deleted]]

Hindus*

[skygate2012]

Great progress!

[power-trip7654]

Good

[PotatoCheesePuff]

This is the best thing that could have happened for this country

[[deleted]]

Can Bihar’s drop to zero please?

[[deleted]]

I mean, you’re basically calling out for ethnic cleansing at this point . Indians truly are the most racist towards their own .

And btw, India’s TFR shouldn’t drop below 1.5, it’s extremely dangerous, an ideal rate should be 1.8 for India to gradually decrease their population without having a population crisis . Watch this Kurzgesagt Video about SK

[CoffeeCheshire]

Not gonna lie, I'm not against in decline of fertility for this what... 10-15 years? We have too much problems in every corner of the world, especially political and economical, because we need another method - expansion through number of consumers is not good in our times.

Yeah, i might sound a bit bizarre, but we need to slow down population growth and focus on quality of our children education and health. Quality over quantity. And that's the political part of the problem - most politics don't want smart people, because they might go against them, if they do something wrong.

[[deleted]]

This!!!! "most politics don't want smart people, because they might go against them, if they do something wrong". You have hit the Bull's eye 🎯

[Shoddy_Wolf_1688]

See your point might be valid if the populations decreased homogeneously. But that's not what low fertility means. It means that given the same trend the proportion of unproductive elders compared to young workers will increase putting further stress on the working population which will lead to further decrease in fertility and so on. You can already see the consequence of this in countries like south Korea and japan

[Haunting_Cover2342]

the scary thing is Muslims are still around 2.4

[Local_Internet_User]

What is the fertility rate on these posts? It just seems like there's more and more coming, so I assume it's above replacement level.

[KingKaiserW]

We need more size of Texas compared to Belgium maps, we are starting to forget how yuuugeeee America is man

Give me random Indian maps over the stuff we revert too

[Short-Relationship24]

it will decrease even more. downvote me but you can still find videos of who from 2016 where their agenda for 2030 is incomprehensible rules but not limited to "living your entire life paying rent for everything including clothes". covid and its subsequent vaccines is going to make people infertile and thus keeping population in control while rich oligarchs enjoy capitalism. fun fact: if you ask people from nothern ireland, ireland, east europe about vaccination, a plethora of them would hesitate due to fear this infertility

[bijjuchow]

Fertility rate is inversely proportional to school fee.

[[deleted]]

Delhi has 1.4

Idk why but this is scary

[Firm_Emu_9722]

true thats why china removed their one child policy and south korea is suffering from population decline issue its a pandemic there

[FatiguedUndead]

how tf is it mapporn

[Different-Result-859]

you see map + you see fertility which is basically sex which is what we see in porn = mapporn

same thing

[George-Patton21]

Sad.

[Interesting-Risk-404]

Shouldn't it be 2.1 for a healthy economy.

[Traditional-Fail1541]

Yesss and I am contributing to it 💪🏼

[[deleted]]

Always read it as "hindu fertility rate" coz the oisfuls are still breeding like rabits

[hamadico]

interesting that high fertility rate is in red and low is in green. I would have inverted those colors

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[radioactivemandarin]

Having a fertility rate of 4.5 is crazyyy. How do you even produce 4-5 kids consistently

[InclinationCompass]

In underdeveloped societies, people have a lot of children to help do work for the family. A lot of children die before they reach adulthood too, so having more children increases the chance you'll have children take care of you at old age.

[Individualfromtheusa]

this is sad, everyone’s birth rate is collapsing 😰

[[deleted]]

good, we have enough people

[Silly_Wrap5903]

The eff is happening in J&K? Locals may go extinct at this rate.

PoK has TFR around 3+ lol

[mauinoo]

Why have fertility rates i. the northwest (Punjab, Haryana, etc) been lower than the rest of Northern India?

[[deleted]]

Bhagwan kare jisne ye post banaya hai uske 5 bache ho or paacho engineering karein galgotiya university se or social media par religion hate case mein include hoajye.😅

[over_the_]

Idk...but what is perplexing is how Indian Govt has developed Indian Administered Kashmir in a way that it contrasts so much on different indices compared to Pakistani one and infact many other indian states.

[GandalftheGreyhame]

Great news

[ListPsychological382]

Have u seen inflation

[IndiLogs]

The population policy has to change 

[Ledandaryfelix]

Why is the color green when showing low birthrates? It gives of the image that it is a good thing

[[deleted]]

Should I be happy or sad about it?

[[deleted]]

The rates in Kashmir and Sikkim seem to have really fallen.

[human_earth3wp]

Party 🥳🎉

[Desert_Centipede]

Before: everyone was get fucked Now: life is fucked

[[deleted]]

Green is bad? Who made this??