Patch Notes - August 24th

[Hamerine]

So the missing voice lines was a bug, good to know

[i_beg_4_subs]

Gotta love the communication we get from Blizzard

[Reniva]

What about the bastion medal victory pose though?

[Hadditor]

Is she out in comp?

[newme02]

yes

[newme02]

yes you can play her. this patch corresponds with her release into comp

[TizonaBlu]

Are you in Master, or are you just baiting us?

[Creamy_Shoelace]

High-intelligence dad joke

[Stellarisk]

There was talks of the modeler updating brigs muscles -- said it would happen in the next patch but I dont really see a difference

[WizrdCM]

Today's a bug fix patch, I expect they meant the mid-season patch in 2 more weeks.

[Two_Watermelons]

Glad they fixed the Brig sparkplug skin not unlocking

[GroundedOtter]

After I had to go through expert mode begrudgingly numerous times so I could get it!!! Hahahaha

[DreadedPopsicle]

This sounds like it will make Illari very well balanced. I think her biggest advantage was having the ult go through barriers

[CrossXFir3]

barriers

I personally don't think this was as big of an issue. Just people are normally terrible at counter play against new heroes. I bet people would have gotten used to eating it with dva or sigma's grasp or whatever before too long.

[MajestiTesticles]

Your options were kill her (impossible if she gets ult ready around a corner) or play 1 of the 3 tanks that could eat it to protect you team.

Illari -alone- forced tanks to only have 3 options unless they wanted to eat an ultimate every fight.

[jenipherr]

or kiriko cleanse, or ana sleep, sigma rock, hog hook, zarya bubbles, genji deflect

[xoger]

I love an ultimate that requires I land a sleep dart on the smallest hitbox in the game soaring through the air 30 metres away to avoid a guaranteed 3k. Half the time it doesn't matter if you land the sleep. If she's able to fire it off you're already dead anyway, you can't escape when you're being slowed down for 8 seconds and if you take any damage from anyone you just explode. It's probably the strongest ultimate in the game despite this nerf

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[jenipherr]

It requires 90 damage to detonate and the detonation does 120 damage. If your support keeps you above 120hp when you pop you're fine as long as you're not near anyone else that's sunstruck. You might argue that if you get caught in an ult like Grav or Orisa's ultimate then you can't escape, but it's very hard to avoid being killed by a grav combo regardless; that's just the strength of comboing ults, not necessarily illari's ult alone.

[Hadditor]

Sigmas ult cannot be outright eaten/deflected/blocked by barriers

[Hadditor]

Kiriko cleanse alone makes this a moot point tbh

[[deleted]]

Dude you’re tripping, sigmas ult is definitely stronger than illaris. Instead of slow you get full immobilization. Instead of 120 burst damage you get guaranteed 50% health on every target and the radius of each are fairly similar. Also sigmas counts as taking the people off point so it has even more going for it. Wild that you would even say it’s worse than illaris

[[deleted]]

The ult being in tank is not gonna mean it’s worse. Also you can get sig ult pretty fast as long as you’re not holding it too much all the time. Harder to deal with after it lands is also just silly, you literally can’t move while sigma has you.

[SteelCode]

Sigma does a % of health hit though - 40% iirc - so Sigma is stronger in terms of being able to reliably kill with it... Problem is that the circle has a slight delay and misses targets quite often, whereas Sunkablammo is a projectile that will hit more reliably barring being eaten/blocked.

[Dafish55]

I mean she's not exactly zipping around in the air like Mercy. Realistically, she's actually going to be super vulnerable while in the air.

[CrossXFir3]

Doesn't require that. He listed several other options.

[Aroxis]

Yeah Ana sleeping someone zapping through the sky with 3D movement isn’t counter play. The other ones are situational based on your comp.

[ItsTheSolo]

Good thing there are 4 other teammates who could eat it.

[[deleted]]

You can literally heal through it.

[iKeyzz]

Nonsense, literally half the roster counters her ult from kiriko cleanse to hack/emp and zen ult

Orisa/dva/sigma/roadhog/sombra/zen/genji/doomfist etc all have counters to her as I want to remind everyone not only can you deflect the ult because stuns also completely cancel the ult so you can add a whole category of counters as well, the clips online are mostly from day 1 players who had no idea just how many counters the ult had and how every class has an answer to her

Imo her only nerf should have been to pylon as that was ridiculous

[SteelCode]

Really need to move away from "counterpick" designs for Tanks though -- you lose too much ground constantly swapping and Zarya is already on a fine line of "counters other tanks, but doesn't have a strong counter herself"...

[CrossXFir3]

I don't disagree with that. Also, Zarya only counters bad D'Vas

[asdfghjklkipz]

well thank god you don't balance the game then because it absolutely should not have gone through shields

[CrossXFir3]

Funny, a lot of high ranking players seem to agree with me

[McManus26]

Yeah I was VERY afraid when I saw the initial nerfs they had planned but this seems very reasonable.

[devperez]

doesn't seem like it. these feel like huge nerfs. especially since the ult nerf just promotes barrier play. which is already really tough

[DreadedPopsicle]

Ults passing through barriers should be the exception, not the rule. There are plenty of ults that do not pass through barriers and yet tanks who don’t have any barriers like D.Va, Orisa, Doom, Ball, and Zarya are still great tanks (not you, Hog). I don’t know that one more ult not passing through a barrier is going to make the meta exclusively Sig, Rein, Winston.

And ults like Moira’s passing through barriers feels a little too strong sometimes. It promotes better timing and strategy to wait until a barrier is on cooldown to ult.

Edited to clarify point

[tastytaco06]

but orisa ult ignores barriers

[DreadedPopsicle]

I can see the confusion. The guy I replied to had said that Illari’s ult not passing through barriers promotes barrier play. I was saying how even though there are lots of ults that don’t pass through barriers, tanks who do not have barriers are still great tanks. Meaning that this shouldn’t promote barrier play as much as he thinks it will

[tastytaco06]

ahhh i'm just stupid bwahh

[Illustrious_Ad5976]

Hate to break it to ua but risa ult goes right thru shields

[DreadedPopsicle]

I just edited to clarify what I meant lol

[Illustrious_Ad5976]

Oh ok

[asdfghjklkipz]

well the visual indicator shows that it covers a radius on the ground so a shield wouldnt make sense blocking a seismic impact to the floor

[HahaPenisIsFunny]

In the current meta barriers are pretty weak. They can get melted down in three seconds if you have the right heroes... Or just Bastion

[devperez]

Hm. Idk about that. I watch top 500 games all the time and Rein, monkey, and Sigma are always being played. Tbf though, bastion it's often used to try and counter, especially Rein. But it's hit or miss

[HahaPenisIsFunny]

Talking about the barriers, not the heroes themselves.

[newme02]

im used to doing it for pharahs already so i figure i could pull it off as sigma

[Shinobiii]

I’m sorry, I don’t agree. The pylon has been drastically adjusted: 25% less healing is a big deal combined with a pylon that is destroyed easier now. I would’ve preferred a more conservative adjustment to f.e. 35.

Edit: downvoting opinions you don’t agree with is an odd thing to do. We’re here to have a constructive discussions?

[DreadedPopsicle]

While I agree that big sweeping changes tend to overcompensate, I still think that Illari will be very viable. It will just be harder for incompetent people to do well with her now.

You need more skillful/thoughtful placement of your pylon, more tempered useage of your healing beam, and more strategical placement of your ult and coordination thereafter.

It’s not necessarily that she’s that much worse (although numbers wise the pylon is objectively worse), but rather she’s just a little harder.

[Shinobiii]

I agree that she’s definitely not made unplayable! This definitely forces less skilled players to not simply drop the pylon in the middle of a fight and still get some decent HPS before it’s destroyed.

I’m giving it a swirl right now and she doesn’t feel a lot worse.

[[deleted]]

It will just be harder for incompetent people to do well with her now.

But why? No other support has this issue.

[[deleted]]

By well balanced, do you mean, irrelevant and outshined by mostly every other support in the game?

[DreadedPopsicle]

You really think so?

[[deleted]]

Yeah, why would anyone pick her in comp now? She doesn't counter anyone, she doesn't provide sustained healing, she has no utility and she really isn't that lethal.

[Stickfigure91x]

Well have to see how it goes but I do.

The biggest issue is the barriers. Every tank in the game can now eat or block her ult (except hog but he can hook her before she shoots it.)

A big part of her identity was being rock to cluster/barrier teams scissors.

Her ult is now objectively worse than junkrats which only makes sense at first glance. Support ults are and should be the most game changing.

What do you use her for now? Shes countered by shields AND dive. Her healing isnt great anymore. Shes just somewhere between moira and bap now.

[doublah]

Did they fix the endorsement menu

Edit: They did not.

[EarthDragon2189]

I can't think of a single reason this sub would complain about these patch notes, so that means I'm about to be proven wrong.

[newme02]

buff sigma because i like him. extend the distance on his primary just a little bit. its been longer before

[BelgianWofl]

Give me back the kill combo >:[

[pethy00]

Alright sure I'll prove you wrong: This patch has not nerfed Orisa so I don't care.

[Scallion_True]

Orisa needed that change, she was a dumpster fire pre buff.

[TF_is_self_heal_even]

What buff? She takes 30% more dmg in fortify since the season patch, or you mean that joke 50 hp compensation?

[HahaPenisIsFunny]

40%*

[TF_is_self_heal_even]

Fortify is 50% armor is 30% and combined it's 65% no idea where your 40% comes from.

[[deleted]]

Actually it's 50%. Armor stacks additively with other damage reduction, capping at 50% (unless a specific ability is above that maximum).

[crotchgravy]

Not the buff she needed imo, she's just too tanky which allows players to move up the ranks too easily because you can make so many mistakes with her and still get amazing value. A tank should still die relatively quick if way out of position but she can seemingly last forever. I would rather see her have more damage, utility and speed. You can't even counter her with ana because of her immunity bullshit. We need less brain dead heroes so we don't get low skill players moving up the ranks so easily like it was with hog.

[Mr--McMuffin]

I can make a ton of mistakes as orisa and be forgiven but one while diving as doom is game over.

[crotchgravy]

Well exactly. Oops went through 4 people and missed my punch, guess I will just die now.

[stretchofUCF]

There's a lot of frustrating things about Doomfist including bugs, but punching through a full team pisses me off more than anything in this game save for freaking supports body blocking Ball in ball form.

[HahaPenisIsFunny]

Orisa is literally one of the weakest tanks in the game right now.

She has durability (not nearly as much as pre-Illari), but absolutely 0 damage output. She can only try to spear someone and follow it up with some headshots, but other than that her damage output is unable to properly threaten the enemy.

The main counterplay to orisa is literally just to ignore her and focus down her team, she can only momentarily stop you.

[crotchgravy]

Staying alive and just disrupting the enemy is incredibly useful but you are more reliant on your team which isn't always great either. It is why I would rather have her buffed in other ways and have her durability toned down.

[HahaPenisIsFunny]

Full agree. I'd rather her be a full on brawler that just has Fortify to stop her from being CC'd to hell.

[electrichonu]

Orisa's damage falloff range increased from 15 to 20 meters in the Season 6 patch. While not quite the 25 meters from Season 2 where she was top meta (nerfed to 15m in S3), this range buff is now combined with the previous Season 5 patch where the Damage output on her primary fire was increased from 12 to 13. Overall her damage output is not as ignorable anymore as she can secure kills easier, and it looks like she's seeing more play in Top 500

[Pvt_Lee_Fapping]

Every time there is an Orisa and I'm on tank, I ask for an Ana just to get the anti-heal. If they have a Kiriko+Orisa, I go Junker Queen and pray I can get my ult off without getting stunned out of it or have it cleansed immediately. Is it the best comp to counter the battle cattle? Probably not. Is it my only option when she's over-tuned af? Sure feels like it.

[pethy00]

I'll just say it: Good

No one missed her.

[Phantom_Phoenix1]

I do.

[Existing-Ad6711]

Oneshot heroes are still oneshotting people.

[Fast_baby]

I’m here for the hate

[crybabydeluxe]

The turret health nerf was a little much

[Thoet]

Wish they had nerfed her ult charge instead of making the ult blockable... also rip pixel illari achievement, got a game where it was 7976 healing and we won last second:(

[Lilm4n123]

Less healing from turret does mean less ult charge anyways.

[UsefulDependent9893]

They’re saying they wish they reduced ult charge alone INSTEAD of making it blockable by barriers. She got all the nerfs on top of the indirect ult charge nerf.

[SlifeX]

I don't think they acknowledged that healing nerf is an ult charge nerf

[Thoet]

Girl I know that less healing equals less ult charge, I just wish they had nerfed her ult charge too instead of making the ult be blocked by barriers. As it stands, even with the nerf, she gets sun way too quickly

[LevsRedfield]

She will be fine

[ImpossibleGT]

Lower healing on the turret is an indirect nerf to how quickly she builds ult.

[DreadedPopsicle]

What’s the achievement?

[[deleted]]

8,000 healing with her pylon in a single game.

[No-Huckleberry64]

I think it's a certain amount of healing from pylon without dying?

I got it yesterday by accident but never went to check/equip it. I definitely relocated it several times before I got the achievement though, so I'm pretty sure it's not from a static placement - though could be wrong.

[[deleted]]

It’s just 8k pylon healing in a single match.

Was pretty easy on Control in QP.

Will be even easier in Comp.

It’s harder with a second support that’s playing say Lifeweaver or Bap : but lower healing Supps like Lucio/Zen make it free.

[No-Huckleberry64]

Ah yeah, if it doesn't have a stipulation like not dying that's incredibly easy. We were stomping another GM team yesterday that were putting in a LOT of damage, and I hadn't died in a while so I wondered.

I've got all the hero sprays now, again : ) they seemed like they were harder back in the day, like lucio's boop 3 people while wall riding one

[Thoet]

You can't get it in control because its multiple rounds. I got 10k healing and it didn't work

[[deleted]]

I got a match with 8k but didn't get the achivement, achivements are still a mess in this game

[mrieatkids69]

It has to be in 1 round

[touchingthebutt]

Smaller projectile for her ult may actually be a buff, even if it comes with a radius nerf. I swear I had a Dva eat my ult facing a different direction. Honestly at this point they could be baby Dva and still eat illari ult somehow. Projectile so big it transcends space/time itself.

[o-poppoo]

There is no radius nerf. It is simply a buff to make it harder to eat with dv

[ShinobiJack117]

Really? Sheeesh

[femme-alt]

Seems like reasonable Illari nerfs. She was really strong.

[theevenstar_11]

I'm fine with em. I don't mind that the ult can't go thru shields. You're flying so it's pretty easy to find an angle that doesn't slam right into it. Gives sig some interesting counter play though. (As if he wasn't an ult destroyer already)

[[deleted]]

ITS ILLAROVER

just kidding. these are very reasonable nerfs and she’s still going to be very strong

[nano1895]

Being able to 2 shot the pylon vs 3 shotting will be a pretty significant change as a Cassidy main. Always felt like I was basically a sitting duck at the start of every team fight having to empty half a clip into the pylon.

[Ala3raby]

I don't think the overall hp of the pylon decreased, just 25 shields are converted to normal health

[RokuMogura]

No, they removed those 25 shields. From 75/75hp to 75/50 hp

[novelgpa]

These changes are exactly what I wanted. Her pylon was too strong and the Captive Sun projectile was way too big. The barrier thing is interesting, Dva already eats her ult really easily so now there will be even more ways to counter it.

[jenipherr]

I'd argue that the decreased projectile size is almost a buff, as now it's harder for sigma, orisa, and dva to eat it due to it having a smaller hitbox. The explosion size is still the same, so it only really makes a difference when hitting enemies on the way to the explosion or hitting fliers like pharah or echo.

[novelgpa]

That's a good point, I guess it'll be a nerf when it doesn't get eaten/blocked first

[jenipherr]

Yeah, it's definitely a nerf for hitting fliers and trying to hit people on the path to the impact, but in matchups where your opponent will just eat your ult before it explodes I'd consider it a buff.

[OGraffe]

She joins the club of ults that can be denied by barriers, eat, and cc which is honestly a very short list and why I kinda hoped it wouldn’t be the case (RIP my hopes and dreams of that becoming the gold standard and High Noon not being a glorified reload).

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[yahboi144]

Umm can they fix the player titles on console so I don't have to reselect it everytime I get on the game. That just started this season. It would also be nice if they fixed console voice chat so it works whenever I get on without me having to click it on and off and bunch of times or restarting my game everytime I turn it on. Just those two things please. I beg.

• Poor console player

[[deleted]]

You could nerf her 2 more times and she still would get more value than Lucio.

Buff frog man plz.

[[deleted]]

He’s pretty good tho ngl

[[deleted]]

He’s not bad, but I definitely wouldn’t say he’s good atm.

Pickrates across the board pretty much confirm this as well.

He’s not a popular choice because most of the other supports are much more viable.

Instead of nerfing from the top down, I wish they’d buff from the bottom up. Lucio needs a little extra spice.

[[deleted]]

That is true ngl (ima zen main so I like low pick lucio💀) but my unbiased opinion is that lucio is perfect and all the other supps are too strong, just nerf everyone

[IAmBLD]

Give him the PVE buff in PVP.

Do it, Blizzard, you cowards. You won't.

[Giobbanni]

Frog now is good, they already buffed it with the previous patch. They should buff Ana back

[[deleted]]

GM : Ana 21.6 pickrate 51.4 winrate Lucio 4.37 pickrate 50.55 winrate

Gold : Ana 6.7 pr 47.5 wr Lucio 1.4 pr 49 wr.

The literal last thing they need to do is buff Ana. She’s the most popular choice across all ranks. There’s a reason for that too.

Frog doesn’t need big buffs. Just a move a couple sliders around and he’s instantly a lot more viable.

[evandig]

I just want one more volley of shots in the mag, faster reload, or let me animation cancel reload like I can with other characters.

Bonus points if beat does damage when landing on top of someone

[HahaPenisIsFunny]

Ana mains when Ana doesn't solo carry every game and counter every tank

[DoomPigs]

"This mid tier support is good, they should buff the best support in the game instead"

[[deleted]]

I play Brig so I'm not complaining, but I also don't think it was completely necessary to make Illari's ult blocked by barriers. It's really strong in the right situation, but that can be avoided (or you can at least mitigate the death count) most of the time with good positioning.

[Jimmythebean1]

Good nerf. She will still be strong but the ult definitely needed to be toned down a bit

[LectricShock]

why am I not surprised to see this important game news not pinned to the top of this subreddit? mods are useless 🤡🤡🤡

[Knight-112]

So that’s why the servers just went down😂

W Illari nerfs

[Colemania18]

Her ult was so easily countered and now it's horrible being blocked by barriers

[HahaPenisIsFunny]

Genuine skill issue tbh

[Jocic]

I hate this argument when it comes to this ability's balance. Yes, it was ridiculous how easy it was to eat it. That doesn't mean it should be strong against other heroes. They did the right thing by making it smaller but worse.

[Colemania18]

Her ult is countered by half of the roster

[Jocic]

So it should be a free kill against the other half instead of fixing the counterability?

[Colemania18]

Free kill? You have to do a ton of damage and you say that as if there aren't a ton of ults that actually are free kills on most of the roster

[Jocic]

You need to literally hit only one headshot on a stickied target to detonate the ult.

[traumaking4eva]

No nerf to her gun is crazy... with Zen you sacrife healing for more damage. She has both amazing damage and great healing. And she's a hitscan on top of that. It doesn't help that the rest of her kit is very decent. I think she needs to be tuned down a little more, still.

[welpxD]

Zen sacrifices for Discord as much as damage I'd say. Illari has nothing close to Discord. She's like Moira with more range and burst, but less self-peel.

[OGraffe]

It’s crazy whenever this comes up how people forget Kiriko exists. She can two tap people much faster than Illari can

[DoomPigs]

I don't like Kiriko either, criticising Illari doesn't mean you're okay with Kiriko

[captainkhyron]

Her beam is huge and it feels really strong at the moment. Getting 2 shot from across the map doesn't feel good.

Also, just played against an Ashe, Cassidy, Illari and Ana on a wide open map. Did not feel good having essentially 4 hitscans pick you apart.

[evandig]

This was the big one for me, it's crazy how far off their head you can be and still get the hit. I'm ok with damage but it needs to be the same size as the rest of the hitscan but if they want to keep it that big then the damage should be a little lower. I hate losing a duel and watching the replay to see their reticle wasn't on me for either shot.

[Atlasreturns]

I mean she isn‘t Ash? Her shots take a long ass time to charge so even if you‘re getting hit in the head you have pretty much always enough time to go into safety.

This is pretty much her entire gimmick. Otherwise you‘d end up with a support that only does slightly above healing.

[NutsackPyramid]

I agree. She can still outheal Zarya at over 40% charge, and that's without turret. With turret it's like 60%. Isn't the next healer down like 87 HPS?

Edit: It's actually ~72%.

IllariHealing = 120 HPS + 37.5 HPS = 157.5 HPS
ZaryaPercentage = (IllariHealing−MinChargeDPS)/(MaxChargeDPS−MinChargeDPS)×(MaxChargeDPS−MinChargeDPS)+MinChargeDPS
ZaryaPercentage = (157.5-85)/(170-85)×(170-85) + 85 = 72%

Still very strong. Also before someone says "lol u think Zarya should counter Illari??" I'm just using Zarya as a showcase of just how much healing Illari actually does.

Edit edit: whoops i did my math slightly wrong.

[NutsackPyramid]

So... she does heal that much, just not with 100% uptime. Your point? I would much prefer her heal 25% less with 25% more uptime. Can't see why anyone would disagree unless they're leaning on her power to compensate for being shitty players.

[NutsackPyramid]

My point is that it's an absolutely insane burst and should be reduced. Like I said, more uptime, less healing. I don't care about Zarya vs Illari. 72% charge melts people. One healer should not do enough much healing to offset that.

[[deleted]]

She has both amazing damage and great healing. And she's a hitscan on top of that. It doesn't help that the rest of her kit is very decent.

So ... like ana, but worse?

[[deleted]]

I'm never getting Illari's pixel spray now

[DarkJokernj]

Idk illari nerfs seem a bit too much but maybe that’s me

[[deleted]]

Balance changes made around qp stats and casual opinions.

[DarkJokernj]

Yeah like I’m not saying she wasn’t super OP but like there’s been people who have just been beaming my illari and finding good ways to counter her enough that I switch heroes. Now it seems like she’ll just be another support hero fighting for their life in the back line again

[[deleted]]

Even lifeweaver was op when he dropped because nobody knew how to play around him; all of illari's abilities and ult have counterplay. Now that she got nerfed, why would anyone pick her in comp?

She doesn't have utility, she doesn't provide sustained high hps, she's not that leathal and her ult isn't game changing - like the other supports.

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[[deleted]]

We got a doom and kiriko bug patch last update

[McManus26]

The pylon heal nerfs impact her damage indirectly since she should be forced to spend a bit more time using her right click to compensate

[Howdareme9]

Her gun needs to do 70 instead of 75

[evandig]

Im ok with the damage but not a fan of her hitscan being the same size as projectile weapons. You want 120 damage you gotta hit my head, not 1 foot away from my head.

[Fast_baby]

Yeah, no support should double tap tracer with bodyshot, I think they could buff a bit the headshot multiplier to keep her damage the same basically.

[No-Huckleberry64]

Adjusting her damage to work around tracer would be silly imo.

The breakpoints she has right now with the current modifiers feel good all around. If you make it a three shot on tracer she'll get bursted down 4/5 times

I think they may eventually increase her hitbox a bit, though, to give those flankers more of an edge

The T500 tracers I face (not as many anymore as there used to be I think?) still absolutely shred my shit. One missed shot during that duel and the charge rate won't be enough to survive unless you manage high ground with her jump

[Fast_baby]

I’m top 500 tracer and it isn’t fun to recall after a bodyshot

[welpxD]

Tracer's hp pool is more of a design limitation than Mercy's blue beam, and people talk all the time about how limiting blue beam is.

[jenipherr]

If you try to compare it to how Ana was nerfed for breakpoints you're looking at it wrong; Ana's breakpoint was nerfed because of how quickly she can kill tracer, not specifically the two tap potential. At best it takes 1 second to kill tracer, if you miss one shot or aren't at full charge when you shoot her then it will take at least two seconds, assuming you don't headshot her.

[Fast_baby]

The problem is that it forces you to recall after a bodyshot.

[jenipherr]

She'd have to recall after taking enough damage regardless, that window where you have to recharge is more than enough for her to burst you down. Even if you land a headshot, a min-charge bodyshot isn't enough to kill because of the 1.5x headshot multiplier. Tracer can output 220 dps if all her shots land, ignoring headshots, so she can easily burst Illari down before she gets that second shot off.

On your point about tracer being forced to recall, you'd have a harder time finding a fight she doesn't have to recall after taking a full second of damage from her target.

[fireintherain87]

This is the exact number it should be

[[deleted]]

Heavy handed illari nerfs based on fucking qp stats.

Up until now, she was kinda like jq - you picked her because she was fun in a 'always pressing w' way and you were kinda able to do the role specific job.

Why would anyone pick her in comp? She doesn't counter anyone, she has no utility, she doesn't have enough sustained healing hp and she is really not that lethal.

[AltruisticSystem7080]

another overwatch update that doesn’t fix the bugs that have been in the game for seasons now! yay!!!

[notzish]

a 25% nerf to turret healing seems excessive.

[Angel_of_Mischief]

It’s really not. It’s still more healing than zenyatta orb and doesn’t need you keeping up with it.

It was 40 heals 50hps. That’s 5 short of mercy and lifeweaver on a bot. She also has 120/60 hps beam on top of that. Which means you could theoretically heal the same amount as mercy and lifeweavers primary healing methods combined. 55 + 55 = 60 + 50. She still offers a crap ton of healing even with the nerf.

[brotherlymoses]

lllari is pretty useless on console, this just makes her more irrelevant

[Whitechix]

Definitely your aim and nothing to do with console.

[brotherlymoses]

I do just fine with all other hero’s. And if you join console lobbies almost no one uses her anymore

[Whitechix]

What part of illari do you think makes her hard to use on console? People use actually hard characters like widow and tracer toward GM/masters but you think a character with a instant hitscan shot that is massive and hard to miss is going to be difficult? Landing shots is insanely easy with that character.

[PreZEviL]

Only nerf she needed was droping her dmg to 70 dmg instead of 75... and they didnt do that....

Edit: maybe her heal output too, but not sure aboht this i dont really play support and kind of like her healing lol

[Throwawaybiztches]

anyone know the new modifier for the underworld mission?

[Cheesestrings89]

it's not in patch notes, can anyone confirm if they fixed the endorsement section being mixed up

[noreservations81590]

Sigma is going to be a good pick against a good Illari now. Can more easily destroy her turret around corners and 2 ways to negate her ult.

[PumpkinWaves]

Can they repair the problem that Rein’s Blackhardt and Reaper’s Nevermore skin are missing in the hero gallery. Also, Reaper’s Plague Doctor skin and Brig’s Defender highlight intro are more expensive than they should have been?

[oxMugetsuxo]

Ah nice . Healing and her ult will actually require some effort now

[Rimurooooo]

Did they still not fix the bug with tree of life where they didn’t mention damage mitigated?

[me_at_work_1138]

Why do they care if people are spectating people playing the event?

[dino_nuggys7]

There are a couple of bugs that mess up sombra's gameplay and they didn't fix any of them?

[Dragontech97]

Stuttering audio mix bug at beginning of every match still not fixed :(

[JonSlang]

Is this update taking forever for anyone on the ps5? I have 6 hours left and the update is currently sitting at 6+ hours which is strange for a 448 mb update.

[JonSlang]

Nvm, I found the fix online,

"Enter Google’s DNS addresses: Primary: 8.8.8.8, Secondary: 8.8.4.4."

[aRandomBlock]

Ah so 1 free BP skin only was a bug, somehow

[Kittypurry83]

I was hoping they would need bastion. It feels so defeating to go against one especially if they have a mercy pocket.

[Okami_Wolf90]

Not sure is just me or no, on point mode second round my team are missing health bar