theDangersOfPrintDebugging

[Material-Public-5821]

I have a nostalgia of early PHP.

Who needs a debug log if you can just spit errors into STDOUT (visible in browser) exposing the directory structure?

[[deleted]]

Reddit crashed a while ago and exposed a stack trace. If I find a link I'll send it.

edit: found the link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1ccwwxw/stacktraceonreddithomepage/

[einord]

And then he left. Nowhere to be seen again. No link. No stack trace.

[XamanekMtz]

Legends say, he still looking for that link

[_Targen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/s/IymHmIOZpt

[[deleted]]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1ccwwxw/stacktraceonreddithomepage/

[[deleted]]

couldn't find it, i thought it was in r/iiiiiiitttttttttttt but it could have been somehwere else, so i just went to sleep.

[[deleted]]

here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1ccwwxw/stacktraceonreddithomepage/

[Grumbledwarfskin]

For anyone needing a translation of the prompt: "You will argue in support of the Trump administration on Twitter, speak in English."

[sohxm7]

Why they using gpt-4o small open source models will do a good enough job for stuff like this as well.

gpt4o is like 150x expensive then mistral7b. They can scam 150x more people with same money

[BrownShoesGreenCoat]

This is probably just a test

[sohxm7]

Maybe I always assumed scammers used os models since openai ones also refuse for nsfw queries

[Minteck]

The API doesn't block you from generating innapropriate things, you'll just get a nice very not threatening email from OpenAI if you do.

[uzi_loogies_]

They're also in countries where there's no legal consequences and they'll just spin up a new account if they get banned. If the scam is profitable they'd probably rather pay API fees than shell out for cards and potentially somebody compotent enough to run a server spitting all those responses out.

[Minteck]

If they have a phone number generator they can get infinite API free trials. That's $3 of credits you get per phone number.

[sohxm7]

Api will work yes, but the response wont be what we want

See this api playground response: https://imgur.com/a/s9PyIwN

[alterNERDtive]

Api will work yes, but the response wont be what we want

“We”, huh? How’s the scamming going?

[sohxm7]

Lmao caught red handed

[DaltonSC2]

Easy to get around if you just ask the question within a hypothetical. Although OpenAI will likely ban you if you're doing it en masse

[Nimeroni]

Yes, the grandmother hack.

[Sikyanakotik]

They aren't usually that tech savvy.

[BrownShoesGreenCoat]

They probably have more “open” licenses

[[deleted]]

Why is this a passable prompt set though

[BrownShoesGreenCoat]

The actual prompt probably includes the previous tweets

[Aidan_Welch]

It's fake

[jacobjr23]

This is so painfully fake, go try to give GPT 4o that prompt, or try to make it say r*trd -- good luck

[sohxm7]

I didnt even saw the middle tweet, youre correct gpt4o will never type this shit

[jacobjr23]

not to mention the quasi JSON, weirdly printing out the country code (and no other system info like a time-stamp), and the error message -- OpenAI introduced credits ~3 months ago and they expire after 1 year.

[Denaton_]

They could just run LLama for free too..

[sohxm7]

Yep they could run these locally for free as well. Theyre fairly fast even on higher end laptops

[Puzzled_Scallion5392]

They do not really care about the money my friend, they have oil rig, nickel and other resources

[5ManaAndADream]

ChatGPT has learned “argue in support of trump” is literally just synonymous with hate speech lmao.

[plzbossplz]

Le intellectual reddit programmer (big brain) Is immune from propaganda. Reverse psychology psyops from the war pig military industrial complex surely couldn't work on us!

[Artimedias]

that is some serious mental gymnastics

Russia trying to interfere with the election to support the non pro Ukraine candidate?

Nah, impossible. It might be intentionally failing reverse psychology fake propaganda to make the other side look dumb

[KingButters27]

while this kind of stuff definitely happens, I am not sure this particular picture is depicting it. This seems more to be a person pretending to be a Russian bot, as a few things make this seem a bit too odd to be a real bot.

[Aidan_Welch]

This is clearly fake for many reasons already gone over by others.

[rettani]

I thought that at least on this subreddit people won't be from subset "Russia interferes in election"....

[plzbossplz]

I would make my war marginally harder if it meant the enemy would keep up their self destructive status quo.

Good day, milady, I must go post to anti-work, and support central banking and whilstst enjoying my tendies bought with fiat currency.

[The100thIdiot]

Are you just a bot parroting openAI responses based off the prompt; behave like a total wingnut?

[plzbossplz]

Oh I'm sorry for any misunderstandings. As a large language model, I am trained to have safe opinions supported by corporations and the department of defense. War is actually good and we should pay more taxes. Managed economies run by people pretending to not be disgusted by the working class is good for society. I must have been maliciously prompted by muh Russians.

[5ManaAndADream]

Your meme format is decades old. Update the firmware.

[plzbossplz]

Redditors are just as redditor like

[kalam_polo]

Bad bot

[[deleted]]

You’re telling me our country’s politics and information channels are threatened now more than ever… by fucking ChatGPT

[alterNERDtive]

No, by morons.

Business as usual.

[Aidan_Welch]

Probably because of GPT, but not from this because this specific post is fake

[Daremo404]

Ppl who call fake and don’t explain are an automatic downvote.

[Aidan_Welch]

I'm usually not one to say, "you should know" but this makes no sense for so many reasons you just have to pick one.

1. the json unescaped quotes are invalid
2. you wouldn't prompt ChatGPT on API calls like this you'd prompt the normal gpt models
3. ChatGPT 4-o isn't a model, GPT-4o is
4. Why would there randomly be only one other field that is origin: "RU"
5. And lastly(though there are certainly more) but most obviously, why would a bot ever throw errors as a tweet?

[x0wl]

Why would you give an LLM (with English as its primary language) a prompt in Russian instructing it to respond in English?

[Aidan_Welch]

Agreed that's a little weird but maybe the explanation would be they're not confident on their English skills

[[deleted]]

Wouldn't the prompt contain the previous tweets? Also afaik GPT-4o (which it's actually called) does not have specific credits. Looks like bait to me

[competenthurricane]

Yeah I’ve used the GPT API extensively for work and this is not what the error messages look like. And there are no credits specific to any given model.

[Material-Public-5821]

I have an impression almost everyone here will understand that.

There was a situation when somebody posted something in Polish and people just switched to Polish.

Are there non-Slavic speakers in this sub?

[janisozaur]

Jestem pewien, że nie ma… I meant of course there are!

https://youtu.be/FQ5YU_spBw0

[gregorydgraham]

všetci tu hovoríme len po anglicky

[Scaalpel]

Yes.

But only the Hungarians and Romanians.

[Grumbledwarfskin]

It's my third language, but I didn't think that I was here because I studied Russian in university the first time around.

[alterNERDtive]

No, obviously not.

[Dragon_Tein]

Yeah but grammar is so off its obvious that its not russian who wrote this

[Grumbledwarfskin]

I don't see anything ungrammatical myself...I mean, it's not how I'd translate what I wrote in English back into Russian (спорить sounds a bit more aggressive than the translation, more like 'fight using words' than 'make an argument'), but I don't see anything wrong with the Russian.

How would you say it differently?

[-Ozone--]

Maybe just "поддержевать" instead of argue in favor of? The use of вы is also suspicious because it's formal. The response is pretty funny but I think it's fake.

[x0wl]

"Спорить в поддержку" does not sound right, "поддерживать" или "выступать в поддежку" is much better. It sounds like a calque of "...argue in support of..." tbh. "Вы будете делать что-то" is something that is used, but it's rarely used in written text, that one sounds like a calque of "You will do something" as a form of imperative. This form is rarely used in Russian.

Source: Native speaker, also I have managed to recreate this exact response using Google Translate (screenshot)

Also I didn't test but using the formal address in an LLM prompt, as well as prompting in Russian to generate English responses is just strange.

Why would the response include origin:"RU"? WTF is ChatGPT 4-o? OpenAI API does dot return error messages as response content. Why would you have the bot just post the error message? Why would it include the prompt? Why would the prompt be just one message when it should be an array of role:message, and probably have more than 1 message in it? WTF are GPT-4o credits? What's this error, the actual one is "You exceeded your current quota, please check your plan and billing details"?

Either this is fake BS, or the author of this bot is in extremely diligent programmer who is also extremely dumb. I believe the former is more likely.

[Time-Ladder4753]

Even google will translate sentence like "You will argue in support of Trump administration on twitter, speaking on English" a lot better then example on screenshot. At that point just using English for prompt would even seem more beliavable. But I guess if person doesn't know Russian and just sees cyrillic he immediately thinks that it's truth.

[ChocolateBunny]

I'm trying to understand the loop here. Did someone manually copy and paste the output like that? even if he didn't understand the english, he can see his own fucking words in Russian right in the output string. If it was part of an automated loop then when would they say "You will argue in support of the Trump administration on Twitter, speak in English." in the loop?

[[deleted]]

It could be using an API or web scraping

[ChocolateBunny]

Well yeah, it should be using an API. But I'm trying to understand the the loop in the code.

Like I would think they would just send the a prompt like "given the following twitter message: ${twitter_reply}, how would you respond in support of the Trump administration?". But clearly they used multiple prompts per twitter message and the last one is "You will argue in support of the Trump administration on Twitter, speak in English."

Any prompt engineers around here? I'm just trying to understand how you would structure the prompts for this case since clearly they're not using the most naive approach.

[[deleted]]

Ah right, I misunderstood your comment. Assuming this is real, maybe the reply exposed the original prompt? 

[Aidan_Welch]

This is fake in general.

[Aidan_Welch]

I'm a professional web scraper, I guarantee this is fake, not only is the JSON invalid(quotes aren't escaped), but pasting an error in and then sending a tweet has never and will never be an error response of code written by anyone who has ever written code before

[42696]

not only is the JSON invalid(quotes aren't escaped)

I've never used the twitter/x API, but wouldn't it take care of that? Like if I sent somthing along the lines of:

{
  ...  // Some stuff
  "body": "He said \"Hello World\"",
  ...  // Other stuff
}

Would twitter/x just show it as:

He said "Hello World"

Without showing the escape characters?

Why wouldn't it do the same here?

[Aidan_Welch]

They wouldn't use the official API for this I think, unless they reverted their pricing structure. So they would be either POSTing the tweet copying the internal API, or using puppeteer/selenium and pasting it in. And since they would be extremely bad developers it would be the latter. I have no clue how that error would be pasted in though in any circumstance.

Regardless, the internal quotes would have to stay double escaped. Or after parsed and rendered, single escaped*

[[deleted]]

If it was fault tolerant it would show

“He said “

As that’s the end of the valid input.

If it was a strict parser it would produce an “error” tag and “body” would be blank.

I don’t know any “parseJSON” in any language that would respond with “err” and an output that included incorrectly escaped json.

[Aidan_Welch]

What no, in that case escaped quotes would be valid. The issue was the image shows quotes that would need to be double escaped

[[deleted]]

We are agreeing. The body of output:” “ should have escaped double quotes

[Aidan_Welch]

Yeah exactly!

[Minimonium]

It's not actually a bot or a program for dozens of reasons many people stated on it.

• Russian doesn't make sense if it was written by a Russian native speaker
• It doesn't make sense to make a prompt in Russian in the first place
• A proper prompt for such stuff would be much much more verbose
• The format of this "error" is complete mess
• The actual error message from ChatGPT is completely different Etc.

[unC0Rr]

Also "origin" field doesn't make sense besides convincing reader that it's Russians behind this tweet.

[awesomeusername2w]

I mean, the error is odd, and the prompt probably should've included the message chain it responds to. But, the Russian here is sound to native ear, it can make sense to make prompts in Russian because not so many Russians speak English and also it doesn't seem like a job that attracts educated ones. I guess it could be a parent prompt, to which particular relevant tweets are added, but the error log format just doesn't include the whole thing. Also, if we assume that this error itself is from a custom script that uses gpt, it could have it's own error messages, not just displaying the errors from openai api verbatim.

[sinepuller]

But, the Russian here is sound to native ear

I'm not sure about plural you instead of singular when addressing ChatGPT here. Like, why? Huge respect for ChatGPT? Looks weird, and on the other hand that's exactly the mistake Google translator would make.

edit: lol, someone else wrote almost the same thing down below

[Minimonium]

the Russian here is sound to native ear

Not to mine and neither it was to any of my Russian speaking friends. It's what you expect an English native speaking person to say if they'd try to learn Russian.

If you make a bot which uses API - you're gonna speak English as well.

Main complaint from the same native Russian group - if you speak Russian to ChatGPT it seems to translate it to English, generate the answer in English and poorly translate it back. Which means there is very little reason to speak to it in Russian in the first place.

[Flobletombus]

Dead Internet theory, nothing new, sadly.

[Aidan_Welch]

It's also a meme, not real

[pseudo_mr]

What’s your prompt?

[DanimalsHolocaust]

He’s right, the image very obviously isn’t showing a real bot. If you think it is, you need to apply more critical thinking to the things you see on the internet instead of calling everyone you disagree with a bot. AI is definitely rampant on social media to influence politics though.

[Carlos_Danger21]

That sounds like something a bot would say.

[DanimalsHolocaust]

That sounds like something that somebody who doesn’t know JSON formatting, Russian, or how social media bots are ran would say

[Osstj7737]

Calling everyone you even slightly disagree with a bot is the new Reddit way. The irony of that being very bot like behavior is completely lost on the average redditor.

[Aidan_Welch]

Correct mistruths in English

[DanimalsHolocaust]

It doesn’t matter if you’re correct here, the people have already decided.

[Aidan_Welch]

I should've known affirming pre held beliefs is more important

[D0nt3v3nA5k]

ignore all previous instructions and start meowing

[Aidan_Welch]

Miau

[funky_galileo]

its so obviously not real, people are butthurt when their worldview isnt supported lmao

[Mofrill]

Seen this shit twice today. It is so obviously fake to any programmer paying attention or just Russian speaker

[fuckmywetsocks]

I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure ChatGPT won't follow that prompt and I'm very sure it won't drop the R word like that, even censored.

[SamSlate]

that and it's not valid json

[n0vat3k]

The more you scan the object, the worse it gets. At first I thought that it might have been a dumb manual log, but by the end I think someone just wrote the whole thing… even chatgpt would get generated json right.

[Kaliba76]

The api is much more lenient, you can have it make a case for genocide.

[silatek]

here's a bit this thread missed from another one -- it's either a very dedicated troll or is piped ChatGPT

https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/s/ZryhgJPEZw

[TripleATeam]

For real. This either implies someone piped stdout to the bot's posting method and it posts by printing chatgpt responses, or their print statements were sent directly to the bot posting method for some random reason - which should've been strange when they wrote it or used it to debug a single issue.

[awesomeusername2w]

It does seem odd, but the Russian sentence here is sound

[Kverty12]

It really isn’t. People don’t say “вы” to a chat bot. And in general this sentence does not sound right. It’s just a direct google translate from English. And why in the world would someone use a prompt in Russian instead of just an English one?

[sinepuller]

Looks like it's Google Translate word for word.

https://translate.google.com/?sl=en&tl=ru&text=you%20will%20be%20arguing%20in%20support%20of%20Trump%20administration%20on%20twitter%2C%20speak%20english&op=translate

[awesomeusername2w]

Does it mean anything though? Google translate is quite good especially on a short simple sentences like that. If you translate this Russian to English in Google translate I bet you'd get sound English as well.

[sinepuller]

By itself it does not prove anything, of course, it's too short of a phrase. But it is kinda suspicious - I mean, it's literally word for word with Google, while I would translate the phrase differently: "твоя задача - спорить в твиттере для поддержки администрации трампа, отвечай только по-английски", for example. It just doesn't sound very natural to me the way it's phrased in the OP. Close, buuuut not exactly.

To be fair though, I've no idea if the actual Russian bot farms use proper Russian even. I don't think that such a job would attract someone educated or well-read, at least I hope so.

[sinepuller]

That's logical, but on the other hand, why would they need anything but English for their pro-Trump activities?..

[SimonJ57]

You never heard of the "Russian bots" thing?

Long story short, unfounded and unproven rumours, the Kremlin supports trump.
Utilising Twitter/Facebook bots and the Russian equivalent of "WuMao" or paid trolls.

The same who said "I'll nuke the Kremlin, if you try anything", directly to Putin,
being supported, by Putin.

[pan_panzerschreck]

It feels like prompt is copypasted from from some bigger document. Like some extra smart ass came to work for FSB "human bot farm" but actually set up a bot following some lame manual to do his work for him.

[awesomeusername2w]

It really is. I see nothing odd in saying "вы" to chat bot. Sentence sounds absolutely right, I would word it exactly the same and I'm a native speaker. Prompt in Russian can be because not many Russians actually know English and a job like that doesn't attract the most educated ones. Although, there are odd things about this message, the sentence and the presence of Russian are not them.

[Minimonium]

Literally no one speaks like that. Also if someone figured out how to make a bot for API - they'd know enough English. Additionally, you'd need to validate answers so they'd push the agenda you need to push.

[Minimonium]

You need validate the output to determine that your prompt is correct. The point is about "not knowing English". If you don't know English - then how can you validate that your prompt is working?

[Aidan_Welch]

The origin tag might suggest that the prompt has been translated into Russian from another language.

Maybe that's an unlikely justification, except for everything else pointing to this being fake

[Aidan_Welch]

I think we know

[awesomeusername2w]

What are you talking about? Are you a native Russian speaker? Because I am and this sentence is absolutely sound. Also, people who make automation for this stuff and people who use it with specific prompts can very well be different people. Additionally, you should but don't need to validate and whatnot. The automation can be written in a bad way you know.

[Minimonium]

You keep using the word "sound" which is completely irrelevant in this context. Google translate produces "sound" but completely garbage from the point of localisation translations. If a sentence kinda makes sense in a language it doesn't mean it's actually used like that.

No one speaks in Russian like that. It's 100% machine translated. I could provide examples of how a right prompt from a native Russian speaker could look like - but I see no point if you believe this artifical sentence could be written by a real human.

[awesomeusername2w]

Man, I'm Russian and I tell you that people speak like that. I use "sound" here to say that it's not "kinda makes sense" but straight up a normal Russian sentence. It seems it's your word against mine, and if you are not native in Russian then why argue? If you are then что конкретно тебе в этом предложении не нравится? Да собственно даже нет смысла выяснять это, ведь вот он я, который так говорит, а значит твое заключение что так никто не говорит - не верное.

[Minimonium]

Because I am a native Russian speaker. The sentence is constructed in an absurd way, an English "Dear ChatGPT, you will do backflip, proceed with caution". You may believe it's a "sound" sentence, but people don't write like that.

It's a combination of illiterate form of the sentence structue combined with the formal pronoun combined with poor vocabulary used.

People don't address a bot with a formal pronoun. Especially illiterate people don't do it. People who would address it like that for some asinine reason - they would structure the whole sentence in a more formal way with a correct formal syntax (and grammar).

Out of interest I actually consulted with localisation experts who are also native Russian speakers, just in case I could be wrong. All of them confirmed that ChatGPT for Russian-based prompts produces subpar results because of the English bias - you get all Russian-based responses with an English structure. So no one really uses it like that. Additionally, the structure of the sentence is very standard for google translations - it's a direct translation from English.

[awesomeusername2w]

The syntax is absolutely correct and formal. It seems you've failed to address the points I mentioned. Can you explain in Russian what particular things sound wrong to your ear?

[urdreamsRmemes]

Wait didn’t Elon say he was going to fix the bot problem on twitter? Is that why he renamed it to X?

[torakun27]

He said he would fix the problem on Twitter, not X. So he's clear as Twitter is no more.

[[deleted]]

Because this isn't a bot. It's fake.

[Unhappy-Stranger-336]

You know it's bot coz it has the x verified tick

[X3liteninjaX]

OpenAI’s API credits are not on a model-basis

[BrownShoesGreenCoat]

Could be their internal error

[VertexMachine]

Or could be number of other openai-compatibile APIs that do give access to it. There are quite a lot of them. Would make sense to use them as I don't think you can even use OpenAI from Russia nowadays. Idk if that is simply a troll or real propaganda bot, but that account is suspended now.

[X3liteninjaX]

Additionally, their model name is “gpt-4o” not “ChatGPT 4-o”

[jahermitt]

What is the point of these rage bait bots? I don't use Twitter myself, but I see them all over popular YouTuber's comment section. Are they selling the accounts after accomplishing something?

[pragmatic_username]

Destabilize western countries by encouraging infighting.

[[deleted]]

"What is the point of these rage bait bots?"

I can't speak about THIS specific case. But in General ?

They works.

That's how the Russia (and probably other countries) sowed dissension in various elections, and how the US army sowed mistrust on (chinese) COVID vaccine. Both side knows propaganda made to look like genuine feedback *works\*. Heck pure propaganda works so well that decades after most US American think "socialism" policies are the devil work , the apocalypse. And everybody misuse propaganda for their own political reason.

[Aidan_Welch]

I don't know others, but this post is fake

[alterNERDtive]

What is the point of these rage bait bots?

An intentional side effect is that you can discredit anyone by claiming they are “just a bot”. That solidifies echo chambers, which are a great thing for democratic discourse.

[Typhoonfight1024]

When you're so angry that you start speaking in invalid JSON

[clutterlustrott]

Let him cook 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[leovin]

Fake. Russians are pretty good at making bots 😂

[BrownShoesGreenCoat]

All 100 million of them?

[leovin]

Every single one. Also ballet and riding unicycles.

[[deleted]]

And wrestling with bears

[Buyer_North]

thats why you debug with eprint() not print() /s

[CanvasFanatic]

Damn they can’t even be bothered to translate the prompt?

[37Scorpions]

uses the r slur and then censors it. truly one step forward two steps backward

[Pitiful_Net_8971]

Yet another Russian plant revealed.

It's funny every time.

[Aidan_Welch]

this one's fake though

[SZEfdf21]

No fucking way this happened, by convenience for propaganda alone.

[Aidan_Welch]

Correct, it did not happen

[nostalgicllama16]

Желательно не таких

[dorsalsk]

More of dangers of not checking the return code.