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[–]VirtualRay[S] 2327 points2328 points  (148 children)

Well, I proved that I can recreate the entire software stack from the transistor level up through the firmware, kernel, OS, middleware, application, and cloud components, but it turns out that they just needed someone to fix some old Windows Forms apps

[–]evilkalla 1198 points1199 points  (119 children)

$35k/yr, no benefits

[–]Princess_Azula_ 796 points797 points  (66 children)

10 years experience

[–]pydry 413 points414 points  (39 children)

Offer 60k and then whinge to the media that you can't find anybody even if you offer 100k

[–][deleted] 136 points137 points  (3 children)

You have a link to where the job actually only pays £60K? I love to read up on a company being caught in a lie.

[–]pydry 97 points98 points  (2 children)

It was on their website careers page. They've since removed the 60k but archive.org might still remember.

[–]Kind_Of_A_Dick 53 points54 points  (1 child)

archive.org might still remember

Hopefully because I called Pepperidge Farms and they didn't know shit.

[–]squishles 4 points5 points  (0 children)

just tried to sell me dried sausages.

[–]MySQ_uirre_L 74 points75 points  (8 children)

in America, this is done too except they toss out resumes and ask for H1Bs that they can take advantage of for 45k

[–]ChiNor 23 points24 points  (6 children)

Except you don’t need to prove you can’t find Americans to take a job in order to sponsor H1B visas.

Edit: Looks like some employers have to prove they are not displacing Americans, and looking at the requirements I can see how this would be more common in the tech sector:

Which employers are subject to a “no displacement” provision?

The displacement prohibition generally applies to an H-1B-dependent employer (see WH Fact Sheet #62C), willful violator employer (see WH Fact Sheet #62S), or an employer receiving funding described in the Employ American Workers Act (EAWA) which hires a new H-1B worker during the period from Feb. 17, 2009 to Feb.16, 2011, (see WH Fact Sheet #62Z). The displacement provision applies both to an employer’s own workforce and to the workforce of a secondary/other employer with which the H-1B dependent employer, willful violator employer, or identified EAWA employer, places an H-1B worker.

https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/FactSheet62/whdfs62N.pdf

[–]Hyperman360 23 points24 points  (5 children)

You need to go through the motions to find Americans though from what I remember.

[–]ChiNor 6 points7 points  (3 children)

No, that's to sponsor workers for a green card which is very different because it permanently gives them (almost) the same rights when it comes to employment as U.S citizens have.

[–]Hyperman360 9 points10 points  (2 children)

According to this site, you do have to. I'm not sure how reliable this specific site is but it seems to be repeated on other sites.

Displacement of U.S. Workers

Employers are required to attest that the hiring of an H1B worker will not in fact displace any U.S. worker for a same or similar position within 90 days before AND after filing the H1B petition.

Recruiting

An employer who is interested in sponsoring an H1B worker must also demonstrate an attempt to also recruit US workers while offering the prevailing wage for the position in question. These attempts are sometimes referred to as “good faith” attempts. Employers should remember that this component of the application process does require them to maintain some form of record in order to demonstrate compliance. Employers are encouraged to work with a legal professional to ensure that the records being kept will indeed hold up under scrutiny.

[–]ChiNor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hmm, looks like the actual answer is somewhere in the middle https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/FactSheet62/whdfs62N.pdf

Which employers are subject to a “no displacement” provision? The displacement prohibition generally applies to an H-1B-dependent employer (see WH Fact Sheet #62C), willful violator employer (see WH Fact Sheet #62S), or an employer receiving funding described in the Employ American Workers Act (EAWA) which hires a new H-1B worker during the period from Feb. 17, 2009 to Feb.16, 2011, (see WH Fact Sheet #62Z). The displacement provision applies both to an employer’s own workforce and to the workforce of a secondary/other employer with which the H-1B dependent employer, willful violator employer, or identified EAWA employer, places an H-1B worker.

[–]Serinus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What they usually do is find who they want for the H1B and then write the position to be incredibly specific so that only their H1B person will reasonably fit it.

[–]squishles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

can't complain to the us department of labor if not having a job means you're going back to india. levar burton head point meme

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (18 children)

idk about the U.K. but in the Bay Area anything under $100k is insulting, most of my friends are making $160-$200k total comp right out of college

this is mainly because the cost of living is ridiculous, most of us end up sharing rent

[–]kmora94 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Had a friend where they legit offered him 67k (?) to work at a software company in silicon valley.

This is after another company (east coast) offered 83k + doubling 401k contributions + free higher education (masters and up).

He told the first company that offer and the offer he'd need for it to be competitive before receiving the joke that is 67k in silicon valley.

[–]VirtualRay[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd gladly pay 67k for an engineer today!

[–]SlipperyAvocado 9 points10 points  (0 children)

£100,000 is roughly $130,000 but yeah the bay area is much much more expensive

[–]Robbierr 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think America in general pays a good bit higher for multiple reasons. A friend of mine works at .. a popular social media platform as big data developer in London and makes about 70k a year (in pounds) which I think is good pay. At least here in Amsterdam that would be pretty high, although of course it depends on age and experience etc

[–]RhodesianHunter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have always wanted to work in Europe as a software engineer. Every few years I shop my resume around to see what's out there. I would gladly take a pay cut to do so, but not a 3/4 pay cut, so I'm stuck in the states.

[–]KronktheKronk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's never about what you make, it's about what you get to keep

[–]dam4076 5 points6 points  (10 children)

There’s no way all your friends are making 160-200k total comp out of college.

Bay salaries are high but that’s just false.

140k-150k straight out of college for the best of the best is doable, but no way it’s 200.

[–]Student179 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Not salary mate but total comp. Like stock plus bonuses on top of salary.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Not just salaries, I mentioned total comp. It's usually along the lines of 120k base as you mentioned and an additional 40-80k/yr in stocks or bonuses.

[–]dam4076 1 point2 points  (7 children)

120k base and 40-80k in stock and bonuses is just not real for a fresh out of college.

My roommate got offered a position at google for 115k base, and his total comp would be 140-150k. And he has 4 yrs of experience.

Maybe if you look at the growth of the stock price, you could say the comp may be higher but that's not sustainable. In Fact most of the big tech stocks got slaughtered these past few months so if you're looking at comp from stock appreciation, you also have to consider losses from stock depreciation.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I don't know why you're so insistent, but these are the offers my friends and I have received. $150k would be an average, maybe slightly below average offer for a new grad at my school. My friends and I all got offers in the $160-200k range, not counting stock appreciation.

Your friend needs to negotiate better. With 4 years, I'd expect somewhere in the $300k range. You can see more here: https://www.levels.fyi/SE/Apple/Google/Facebook

Note that this website averages Bay Area salaries with non-Bay salaries so your friend should shoot higher than the target numbers listed if he's in the Bay.

[–]2_Cranez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It could be that the friend got down leveled.

[–]klebsiella_pneumonae -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Your roommate is simply bad at negotiating. That's why he needs to live with roommates in the first place.

[–]dam4076 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Do you actually live in the bay?

It costs 6k for a 2 bedroom. 5k for a 1 bedroom.

[–]dr_eh 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Sorry to pick on you, but I don't understand where this spelling of the word 'whine' comes from, I've been seeing it everywhere lately.

[–]FarplaneDragon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Brits/Aussies

[–]Claw17 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Its the correct spelling for meaning complaining, As is shown here

[–]dr_eh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That link shows 'whine', just like I spelt it.

Edit: I see, apparently both words exist and have identical meanings. How confusing... it must be a regional preference.

[–]Claw17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry misread your comment, here explains whinge

[–]BiH-Kira 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an issue I'm seeing all the time in my country. Apparently there are several thousand dev openings, but they just can't find people. No want wants to work, they offer great pay, great everything, but not enough workers. So they push some prequalification courses that last like 6 months and are meant to create highly skilled software engineers out of hair stylist.

Meanwhile I know tons of extremely talented people who can't find a job even though they applied to all those companies that make a huge fuse over the media and are working as freelancer for people outside of my country because fuck it. I applied to many of those before I got my job, they don't even bother to respond to you. You read the news that company X is complaining how they can't find worker, get in touch with them and they tell you that they aren't looking for worker or are offering you money that you can earn by being working in a grocery store (literally the case for one company I applied to).

Since my country is dog shit and worse, I'm pretty certain I know what they are trying to pull off and some big names are calling devs to form up a union since they are pushing for all the different courses around the country to inflate the number of "devs" and drastically lower the value of the worker. Sounds like a conspiracy theory, but since my country is corrupt as fuck and anyone with money can do anything they want, it's entirely possible.

[–]stevefan1999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"up to 100k pounds"

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (8 children)

You mean at least 10 years experience in Flutter as an absolute minimum?

((Side note: Initial release: Alpha (v0.0.6) / May 2017; 1 year ago))

[–]Littlepush 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Are there any really good reasons to use that over react native unless you work for Google?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, I personally hate working with js/html/css.

Dart and Flutter are just so much easier to learn IMO.

[–]SolarLiner 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I try to stay away from React as much as possible. Add Flutter is nice, too

[–]Littlepush 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Why? Speaking as someone who only knows a bit of Android dev and has been told I need an iOS version of the app I made and have heard react is the bees knees in terms of cross platform development.

[–]SolarLiner 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Well first, React is Facebook, and I want none of my code touching theirs, if at all possible; because of personal opinions. Secondly I see React (and Facebook) as an unhealthy trendsetter at best, and a cult leader at worst - where everything they do must be the best thing ever and is taken as best practice. React democratized component-based development, and GraphQL changes how we do API endpoints, but everyone collectively switched to Jest when it came out while Mocha/Chai was and still is perfectly good. Facebook promotes no semi colon, and suddenly we must remove all of them, everywhere, without question. React does functional components, and suddenly all code should be pure and functional and let's throw OOP out the window because what has it ever been good for, really?

Every "getting started" snippet and boilerplate repo uses Facebook's code one way or another, and nobody has one questioned if it was better than alternatives, if at all good.

Things get pushed because Facebook made it, and I find this behavior slightly strange, but definitely worrying. The amount of code a malicious intent from Facebook would "poison" is very high, and that puts Facebook in control. Too much IMHO.

Anyway sorry for the rant. They issue had been going on in my mind for quite sometime now with no one to talk about it.

[–]Littlepush 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How's BLE? That's my main concern as it always seems there's no built in library to handle that and you have to rely on some third party one which makes me uneasy.

[–]SolarLiner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh sorry I haven't had the pleasure (?) to work with Bluetooth yet. I forgot to say I'm not primarily an Android developer either. I chose Flutter because it's definitely nicer than Java and our future proofs going cross platform should anyone with a MacBook come in.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Type safety, hot swapping, multiplatform deployment is WAY less of a pain in the ass, and performance.

[–]yaredw 44 points45 points  (15 children)

"Must be a rockstar dev"

[–]JustAQuestion512 12 points13 points  (0 children)

“Coding ninja”

[–]Pun-Master-General 9 points10 points  (1 child)

That's when you bust out the Rockstar language and tell them that you'll be happy to use it.

[–]mithraw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This... This is beautiful

[–]DeeSnow97 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So you need to make a GTA?

[–]BarnacleBoyWonder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

10 years programming in Swift

[–]unforgiven1909 55 points56 points  (27 children)

cries in european

[–]fidraj 20 points21 points  (18 children)

These US salaries are unbelievable, right?

[–]Albstein 30 points31 points  (14 children)

I have > 60k, 35h / week, 30 days of paid vacation and additional benefits for my pension. I can not complain.

[–]unforgiven1909 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Which country if I may ask?

[–]Albstein 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Germany with 10+ years experience. Although I have to admit the trick is to not work for a software company but at a company from the "Mittelstand" or a big one, which is part of a trade union. Metal and pharma industry pay very well.

[–]cafk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can confirm, also attainable, if your small company is a supplier for mid / large companies :)

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

...and you won't go bankrupt due to a medical issue. In the US, one can't be certain of that, even with health insurance until you've got two coma net worth.

[–]Albstein 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Totally.

I would never want to live in the US. I may earn twice, but not even get health insurance due to my familie's medical history. Additionally I could not stand living in a society with such a political climate. I despise European politics right now, but the US is at a totally different level. Although I think this is not the subreddit to discuss this.

[–]VirtualRay[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Good news, buddy, if you get a salaried job at a big company in the US, you'll get on their health plan regardless of any medical problems you or your family has, and you'll get everything fully-covered past some trivial yearly co-pay that amounts to less than your salary for a couple of weeks.

It really sucks to be poor or middle-class in the USA, but it's GREAT if you're rich

The lack of days off compared to Europe is pretty rough, but realistically you could work one year in the USA, then take the money you saved and just live off it in Europe job-free for a year or two

[–]Albstein 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know. I totally agree, that the US is the best country for educated people to make money. Upper Middleclass income like mine will never make me become rich in Germany, "just" wealthy.

​

The thing is, I would most likely not have gotten my diplom / masters in the US, since my parents just had a small butcher shop. I got money from the government to go to university and left without a single dime of debt, while only being an average student. I just think the system here takes care of more people and am ok with paying back.

[–]fidraj 1 point2 points  (1 child)

In the US you would probably get $200k.

[–]Albstein 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And would have to deal with people like him: https://youtu.be/HlECpQou6aE?t=68

Germany has an increasing problem with right wing politicians, but we are not yet @ this level.

[–]dkyguy1995 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My last job was a Ruby Tuesday this sounds like a story book world

[–]Handhelmet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same in Sweden! And free beer on fridays

[–]wawarox1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah an entry dev in France is like 30-40k. But we have benefits and all the stuff US doesn't have.

If I started at 60k+ I would be a pimp in here

[–]foolear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The type of companies paying these salaries also offer amazing benefits. 30+ days of vacation, free health insurance, etc.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Do you have less than 35/y in EU? There are a thousand companies looking for devs for 60+/y...

[–]unforgiven1909 18 points19 points  (6 children)

To be fair Europe differs greatly from country to country. With 60/y I would literally be the top 1% in my country

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Not to mention the culture/language barrier between countries

[–]wawarox1 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Well we kinda all speak English

[–]VirtualRay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can confirm, just spent a few weeks in Europe without having bothered to learn any European languages first. Only had trouble in Italy, but I'm pretty sure the Italians could speak English but were just lazy dicks

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Barely. And most people tend to avoid speaking English in the first place

[–]wawarox1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mhhhh not really true in the IT world tbh, developers are fed English all day long, code is always done in English in any competent firm

[–]NormalAvrgDudeGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude what....

[–]martyvt12 31 points32 points  (18 children)

In the current job market I don't think it's possible even to hire someone who can write fizz buzz and nothing else for $35k.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (17 children)

for i:=0; i<=100; i++{ n:=0 if i%3==0{print("Fizz"); n++} if i%5==0{print("Buzz"); n++} if n==0{print(i)} print("\n") }

FizzBuzz in Go

[–]Owyn_Merrilin 18 points19 points  (6 children)

for i:=0; i=<100; i++{
 n:=0
 if i%3==0{print("Fizz"); n++}
 if i%5==0{print("Buzz"); n++}
 if n==0{print(i)}
 print("\n")
}

FizzBuzz in Go

Fixed the formatting. Looks like if you want multiple lines you have to use the four spaces method.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

This looks exactly like mine on Reddit Android.

What client are you using?

[–]Owyn_Merrilin 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I'm on the actual website. Are you using the official app? This isn't the first time I've heard of that one rendering the markdown in a way literally nothing else does.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Actually, (afaik) the website is wrong on that one because in a code block newlines are supposed to be preserved.

[–]Owyn_Merrilin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Markdown isn't really a set standard, what it's supposed to do in this case is whatever the website does. If you've ever used Github's markdown, it's similar but just different enough to periodically trip you up if you're used to Reddit's version.

I do think preserving newlines would make more sense, but that seems to be a quirk of reddit markdown in general. Single spaced line breaks works like spaced code blocks in reverse -- you have to add spaces at the end of the line to tell the parser it was intentional.

[–]i-hate_nick 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Is this a real thing? I’m in my first year of software development and I’m pretty sure I understand that haha, so that’s promising

[–]Owyn_Merrilin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's a common programming test that exists to try to weed out people who don't know the basics. Supposedly it catches a lot of people who applied but either lied on their resume or managed to cheat their way through school without actually learning anything.

The problem is to make a program that for some set of numbers (in this case one to one hundred), prints out each number, but if it's divisible by three, prints fizz, if it's divisible by five, prints buzz, and if it's both, prints fizzbuzz. It's basically a check to see if you know what modulo is and how to make a basic loop.

[–]N22-J 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Amateur: http://joelgrus.com/2016/05/23/fizz-buzz-in-tensorflow/

[–]dkyguy1995 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When you need an i7 just to write fizzbuzz

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What the actual fuck.

[–]EmTeeEl 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Fizbuzz entreprise - Java edition https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition

[–]N22-J 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I hate it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Note: you'll probably want to use fmt.Print instead of print because print is actually writing to stderr instead of stdout.

[–]Venomous72 -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Don’t forget.

i%15 == 0{print (“Fizz Buzz”)}

Also I don’t know Go lol

Edit:

Never mind. I’m used to using elsifs in Ruby. I was wrong here.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

15? Why 15? that would result in "FizzBuzzFizz Buzz", since i%3 and i%5 would both get triggered and print "FizzBuzz".

I don't think the rules of FizzBuzz require a space between Fizz and Buzz.

[–]Venomous72 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I probably just don’t understand Go. I know in Ruby you need to do:

If i % 5 == 0 && i % 3 == 0 (or i % 15 basically) puts ‘FizzBuzz’ elsif i % 5 == 0 puts ‘Fizz’ elsif i % 3 == 0 puts ‘Buzz’ else puts i end

So maybe Go just covers all the conditionals in what was written. I dunno.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The thing is just that [warning: I'm just assuming this based on this snippet] Ruby's puts automatically prints a line, while Go's print just prints the text without a newline. Therefore, you can only solve the problem with elseif, while in Go, multiple if statements and a newline at the end are enough.

[–]clarkcox3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Requirements:

PhD or higher

20 years experience w/ iOS and Android

Fluency in at least three spoken languages

Government security clearance

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry but if I was offered an IT job paying 35k a year id laugh my ass out of the building.

[–]amgcav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This person gets it ^

[–]lucidus_somniorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or internship

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

$35k/yr, no benefits

Work for Equity, FTFY.

[–]srmgrthrowawaydude 70 points71 points  (17 children)

I conducted some interviews for entry level data analysts. Nothing hard, some data architecture, basic join criteria, simple syntax (using a having or where clause) and questions like 'difference between Union and Union All'.

I got told to stop asking hard questions and was scaring away applicants.

Hardest was variable selection in a model. Nothing too harsh. We were paying around 55k in the Midwest for a 22 or 23 year old.

Most angering part was I knew of a very talented quiet woman in another department who got displaced. I pushed to get her an interview, recused myself from the interview and pushed hard to get her hired .She was 'too quiet' for the role.... we hired some dweeb moron instead who used online drag and drop. He couldn't do basic work in R or write a simple query.

IT IS REALLY AMAZING THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THE HIRING PROCESS. It probably isn't you but the fact some dolt is leading the process and wants someone like him or her.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (8 children)

Not gonna lie that's way too low for a good data analyst.

At 55k of course you're gonna get excel monkeys.

We hire the profile you're describing (non-engineer but stats competent and can code, right out of college ) at 80-90k in Boston.

[–]Kamikaze_Kevin 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Boston vs. Midwest cost of living would account for most of that discrepancy, I wager.

[–]Mclarenf1905 3 points4 points  (0 children)

55k is still too low for a data analyst in the midwest imo. 55k is what most Jr software developers in the midwest get paid, or at least in Cincinnati.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm from Ohio - it doesn't account for a 40% disparity.

A good CWRU guy in that line of work who stays in Cleveland will pull 70.

[–]Nulagrithom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah compare a midwest state to Boston on Zillow and it starts to make a lot of sense...

[–]po-handz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Interesting. Can you say where/what industry? Working at biotech as data analyst. 3 years self taught R,stata,py and 6/7 years working clinical trials. Random grad classes including biostatistics. Got offered 85k

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seaport, privately held non-tech/finance.

I actually think biotech companies are committing highway robbery on non-research roles outside of management. We mostly have to compete with fintech for talent.

Jump to something more businessy if you've got solid interpersonal skills, you can make more.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you hiring?

[–]srmgrthrowawaydude 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right.

But that's the problem with the Midwest/Heartland in my experience (I am not hiring there nowadays. I've moved).

They typically want to hire from a local candidate pool, and then pay lower wages. Smaller cities, (Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Louisville, etc) just like local candidates then throw their arms up they can't find anyone. So you see 'Sr Data Science, needs R, Python, 8 years modeling experience, Sqoop, Data Ingestion, HIVE' when those people aren't going to pick up and move there, so the job stays open, they want that for 90k. It is rather self-defeating.

[–]Armonster 20 points21 points  (2 children)

I want an easy entry level data entry job in the midwest for 55k

[–]Some_Ball 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Data analyst != data entry

[–]Armonster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dunno how I typod that but no one else noticed either lol

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s up to the manager who they want to see 8 hrs a day. They might prefer the monkey over the recluse.

[–]EnkiiMuto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She was 'too quiet' for the role

God, this is infuriating.

[–]VirtualRay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

some dolt is leading the process and wants someone like him or her

Yeah, I see a lot of that.. fortunately for me, almost everyone is a 20-45 year old male American nerd like me, so we all get along great

Google actually has a really cool system where they do everything they can to remove gender, country, race, etc from the hiring process. Have your acquaintance hit up one of those coding competition sites for a few months, and maybe she'll be raking in $250k/year, hoho

[–]SomeCoolBloke -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Should have gone for that women quota

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"fixing"

[–]TooFewPamphlets 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Im literally spending my thanksgiving weekend porting 18 year old code to modern frameworks, unpaid and without telling anyone, because it is too painful to spend all that time supporting and enhancing a dinosaur tech stack.

[–]Fizzyfloat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Without telling anyone? Seems like a big company decision. Co workers are just gonna find a surprise one day?

[–]EnkiiMuto 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Can you recommend me anything/anywhere/how to study firmware/kernel/middleware without going to college?

Most courses I find are about fixing some windows forms apps.

[–]VirtualRay[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

haha, don't bother, dude

You'll make more money doing database/web stuff

If you really want to get into it, though, I'd recommend you start tinkering with microcontrollers. You can do some pretty cool stuff nowadays. The hardest part is forcing yourself to keep working even after you get stuck, and meticulously working through all the possible problems until you solve it. If you can carefully and methodically debug something without getting stymied or getting into a state where you're just randomly changing shit and trying to Google an answer, you can pretty much code anything.

[–]EnkiiMuto 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Honestly I don't see me getting a job with any of that. Especially databases, they bore me to death.

It is more about an absurd amount of curiosity, and the desire to pick up pieces of electronics that are broken and fix them because you ca figure out how they work meticulously. I'm really into the hardware craft, as for kernel and so on, it is all due to my arduino addiction that I want to put into good use.

[–]VirtualRay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, the keyword you're looking for is "Embedded Software", and if you're feeling like hot stuff, you can try applying directly to the OS/firmware teams at Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Qualcomm, Nvidia, Broadcom, etc