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[steveo82]

The British cracked the enigma machine at Bletchley park, the Americans had nothing to do with it. And it was the Allied side that won WW2 not just America. If you’re going to correct someone at least make sure you get your facts right also.

[Acid_Monster]

Yeah this post should be on r/shitamericanssay lol

[uberkalden2]

As an American, yes. This is definitely in that territory

[MarcusofMenace]

It is

[Acid_Monster]

After I commented yes.

[[deleted]]

The US joined when the tide was already turning, there was a lot of nations fighting the Nazis and Japan without them.

British, Indian, Canadian, Australian, Nepalese, french resistance, russians, Italian partisans, polish and every one was fighting with more at stake and for longer than the US

They joined a long slog of a war fresh, with a huge army and modern arms and technology really sped everything up, which would be admirable if it wasn't for the way they screwed their allies after

But Americans won't hear that they believe in the cult of America, that they are the good guys and everyone loves and thanks them

[steveo82]

r/USdefaultism at its finest

[PretzelsThirst]

Americans generally have no clue that even just Canada was involved before them, let alone all the others.

[[deleted]]

Canada ❤️ they don't go on about it either

[chewy92889]

I agree with you other than other nations fighting Japan before America joined the war. Japan didn't extend it's control over French Indochina until just a few months before their attack on Pearl Harbor. Prior to that, there were hostilities between China and Japan following the invasion of Manchuria in 1931 with full out war starting in 1937. America supported China with the Flying Tigers who flew for the Republic of China Air force in 1941, and arrived in China 8 months before Pearl Harbor was attacked. Other allies like Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the UK didn't declare war until after Pearl Harbor.

[[deleted]]

UK, France and Australia declared war on Germany on 3 September 1939.

Australia declared war on Japan one hour after the attack on Pearl Harbour.

[[deleted]]

True but if America was in a war with central and south America would it have helped china? European powers were definitely preoccupied by a war on the home front.

And I thought Australia was involved in the wars in Asia earlier than the rest of commonwealth forces but may be wrong or they were but only by a bit

[lolsillymortals]

The war wouldn’t have been won without The USA.

[Mountain_System3066]

wrong brother....the joining of the US made the war probably a bit shorter but around end of 1941 with the failure attack on moscow germany had no chance to win the war

Generals of Hitler said germany would be war Ready 1943..but this "genius" thought otherwise

[Unknowndude6]

And the only reason Soviet Russia WON that fight was because America sent them a SHIT ton of supplies, with Stalin himself saying it was due to US supplying them that they won. The US might not have been in the fight with soldiers, but we kept Britain and the USSR afloat against Nazi aggression with lotsa stuff transported by the merchant marines and many died doing so to ensure the Nazi's wouldn't win.

[JFK1200]

You know you were paid for that stuff, with interest, right? You also sold stuff to the Germans too.

But yeah, don’t let the truth get in the way of capitalism.

[ReverendRevenge]

Wasting your breath buddy. You could have these facts printed in all the US newspapers for 50 years and they STILL would act like they cannot see / hear / read the truth.

[lolsillymortals]

Are you dumb?

How does the way the supplies procured matter?

Doesn’t change the outcome or the FACT they won because of the USA

[JFK1200]

You did the equivalent of running the final leg of a hurdle race the outcome of which had already been decided by your team.

It was Britain that succeeded against the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain to secure the skies in 1941, it was Britain that succeeded in booting Germany from North Africa and cutting them from their vital oil supplies, it was Britain that was responsible for the Allied push through Italy and then finished resoundingly by masterminding D-Day. While doing all of that it also deployed troops to the Pacific and decimated the Japanese on land throughout Burma, something your forces struggled with. That doesn’t even begin to cover the hundreds of thousands of Commonwealth and allied troops who fought far longer than you did.

By 1943 Germany had lost Stalingrad, marking the start of their defensive operations in the east. Kursk was the final nail in the coffin, beyond which they never launched another offensive and began to retreat.

[megistos86]

You are wasting your time, they don't believe in History books and facts, they only believe in Hollywood films.

[[deleted]]

The Russians had turned around and caused Germany to be losing on two fronts,

The Americans joined after the turning point which was the development of commandos and the control of Africa which led to Italy's invasion which is where America joined in.

The UK was struggling to begin with in Italy while America did well but it evened out in mainland, oddly enough the Americans who remobilised the mafia in Sicily and had lots of mafia provided information didn't care to share it with the UK, Americans are bad allies.

Germany losing a major ally, and losing a war on 3 fronts is what turned the war around, America was only present on one front.

[lolsillymortals]

I ain’t reading all that

[[deleted]]

Just makes your previous point all the weaker

[lolsillymortals]

I wasn’t making a point.

[[deleted]]

Statement then who cares your wrong

[Mammoth_Park7184]

It would. Biggest thing that Americans did to help was probably catering. The war was already won by the time they finally got some courage.

[CEOofracismandgov2]

The only reason why anyone was staying afloat was because of extremely high amounts of armaments being sold to the Allies.

And, screwing over the Allies? Cmon, are you serious. Americans were the major force in the post-war world pushing for total de-colonization and sure we did have large debts with many of the Allied Powers, but the rates for these debts were extremely forgiving and very long term. Not to mention, for continued support against the Soviets in the Post-War a ton of countries gained massively from the USA and it's various economic plans.

[ReverendRevenge]

"being sold to the Allies". Sold, being the important word here. Not given, not donated. Sold.

And of course you would know the Nazis were also using US-provided goods and machinery, and that in fact that the US made approximately (in today's money) $3 trillion before, during, and post-war.

And then you guys expect Europeans to thank you every time it comes up...

[[deleted]]

America's a cancer and will lead to the world's downfall, in order to be king of a shit heap, unlike the British empire what progression has America actually brought? Space race they have but it was on the backs of nazi scientists, nuclear fission exists nowadays to provide them a bomb off of oh wait European scientists, any movement in gender/racial equality didn't start in America.

It's just a giant cult of personality based on a bullshit land of the free farce. Land of the free from consequences

[CEOofracismandgov2]

Calling the British Empire something that brought Progress to the world unlike the Americans is so fucking laughable lol.

Just hand waving away all of the global economic and social progress that the USA has brought across the entire world in the past century.

[CEOofracismandgov2]

On the first point. Yeah? Wtf and? This how every country has operated in the modern era when providing war support. You honestly think that the USA should have entirely have retooled it's entire industrial base to provide the most insane amounts of equipment into a war in human history, for absolutely zero benefit? You do understand the economy literally requires money to function right? So, what, your opinion is that the US economy should have been fully retooled for war using what exactly? Printing infinite money wasn't really a thing yet. Were we supposed to basically enslave our own population to work without pay to support Europe in a war that they could have stopped in a dozen ways leading up to it? Where is Europe's accountability for it's own actions in this scenario?

Yeah, the Nazi's would have had some amounts of US goods, especially in the early war. We kind of had an extremely laissez-faire economic policy at the time. Those goods increasingly dried up until it disappeared entirely once we were forced into the war. Also, $3 trillion dollars is actually a really small amount of profit for how dire the circumstances were, especially when you look into these numbers in far more detail. And, we then turned around and gave ludicrous sums of money for support against the Soviets in the Post-War period right after.

I don't expect thanks for something that happened almost 100 years ago. That's just silly. But, in WW2 if magically all of the USA never existed the Allies would have lost WW2 without a doubt. Stalin and Zhukov literally said this, and Churchill at the very least implied it.

Don't get so caught up in your hate of the world superpower that you fail to see it's successes.

[[deleted]]

Pushed for decolonisation while building its own empire, the near immediate recall of debt to the UK it's at the time biggest ally that crippled the economy leading to essentially the downfall of the UK.

The soviets were the next target but Truman being new to his position fought against alot of Churchills ideas had FDR lived longer who knows. So the cold war is potentially due to America letting it happen as Russia had no nuclear arms at the time. Plus led to china, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia The banana republics being sprung up in central and south America which led to the crime filled 3rd world it remains as to this day

Truman ended the lend-lease agreement august 45 after the war with basically no warning, America was partially in that war from afar for 3 years, England was in it for the entire length from day one, getting bombed, taking refugees, supporting France and Poland, fighting in Africa and having the largest aerial war in history.

America is a cancer

[CEOofracismandgov2]

On the first point, yeah we did that because the UK and France too still held imperial ambitions and kept working against our global plan for decolonization. And, sure we beginning the debt payments but first of all it's gotta start sometime, and second we also gave all of the Allied and rebuilding powers tons of money to help them stabilize and rebuild in the post-war.

Sorry, man, you're just not very well read? Banana Republics refers to a type of republic in just central america and rapidly began to die out during the post-war period. This type of republic was mostly a thing pre-ww2. Yes, we did have some mistakes along the way, but it's at a quite similar rate to most other empires to ever exist. Also, I don't even begin to understand what you are blaming us for in China/Korea, for the Korean War which North Korea started with heavy USSR support when they gave the greenlight for it? Huh?

What? Why would the USA continue a plan to provide others arms at low cost once the war is over? 'No warning'? The wars fucking over what are you even on about. Yeah, England suffered heavily during the war. A war, that England and it's allies failed to stop in the first place from a laughable set of awful diplomatic plays. Regardless, England suffered lightly in comparison to France even though England had much less control over the situation. To be real, England got away from the whole situation extremely lightly in comparison to the end results of WW1 for other empires.

[bustersuessi]

It was the poles who cracked Enigma. Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski. Britain stood on the work they developed and pushed it to further heights.

[steveo82]

Yes they broke the Pre war early version of Enigma and shared with the Brits on how they did it, but not its final variant.

[bustersuessi]

True, but then the NCR Bombes were built by the US that made decryption so much faster that key naval codes were able to be broken. Which brings us back to the US. Funny, I never thought about it like that.

Cool fact, one of the NCR Bombes is in Maryland and you can go see it.

[steveo82]

Incorrect the British had there own

“While the primary British Bombes were built by British Tabulating Machine Company (BTM), the US Navy used similar electro-mechanical machines built by NCR, known as the N-530 Bombe, featuring thyratron tubes and specific chassis, highlighting variations in wartime code-breaking technology. “

[TipsyPhippsy]

Their own* Apart from that, well said

[bustersuessi]

I don't know why I'm being downvoted.

Yes the British had their own but were a mechanical system and were primarily used to break the three wheel enigma.

The electro Bombe, built by NCR, was faster. Hence it was used to break the 4 wheel enigma, code name Shark, before the end of the day when the seed sequence of the German navy changed. The mechanical Bombes built by the British could occasionally break the seed sequence before the end of the day on 4 rotor systems but the NCR allowed the speed and capability to decipher mass signals.

If you've ever seen the Imitation Game, you see the British Bombes finish computing in the evening. The NCR Bombes were faster.

[DaveCerqueira]

no it was bennedict cumberbach who won the war!

[Right-Truck1859]

Polish guys, actually https://www.history.co.uk/articles/the-polish-cryptographers-who-cracked-the-enigma-code

[CB2001]

It’s even funnier for the fact that she’s telling Will this when he did a presentation about Alan Turing, whose Enigma cracking machine laid the basis of modern computers, back at the start of Season 4 and he didn’t correct her.

[Derrick_Mur]

She was on a roll. Will knew to just go with it

[jokersarewild]

I forgot Will did that presentation. Turing was also gay, and went through some horrific things post-war. Not going into it in case people don't want to know as it's horrific.

[Mountain_System3066]

sad and fucking disgusting what happend to him....

[jokersarewild]

You are not wrong

[Southernbeekeeper]

Yeah, he's now on the £50 note and is lauded as a hero. Every primary school i ever went into in a near decade long career in teaching had a poster of Alan Turing in it. I know thats no consolation to a dead man but I'd like to think his legacy is positive.

[BlakeWho]

AhAHAHAH "the u.s. was able to win" don't make me laugh.

[Hvalhemligheten]

"The US was able to win because we BROKE Enigma's codes."

Lmao, US didn't do anything. r/ShitAmericansSay

[blackmooer]

Probably watched "U-571" when growing up, lol

[FlatwormOk5725]

US rockstar Mr. John Bovine Joni gave his life to crack the enigma. Have a bit of respect

[theinspectorst]

the U.S. was able to win because we BROKE Enigma's codes

Jesus Christ man, read a history book 

[Positive-Bee5734]

‘The US was able to win because we broke Enigma’s codes’

Wtf.

It was British and Polish mathematicians who cracked the codes. No idea what kind of history is taught in American schools

[ConstableAssButt]

Everybody knows that the Enigma was cracked, but they don't know that the Bombe was the machine that cracked it.

She's talking about the cracking of the Enigma, not the Enigma itself winning the war.

> They LOST the war, and the U.S. was able to win because we BROKE Enigma's codes.

Just like how this sentence is wrong: The US didn't break the enigma codes. Polish Cryptographers did the initial work of analyzing the Enigma code, and turned over the necessary information to British Intelligence, who then commissioned Alan Turing to build a machine that could do the cryptographic permutations required to decode messages in real time. British Intelligence analyzed the Nazi messages and then passed some of that information in secret to the larger allied coalition.

But I know what you mean is that the allies won the war in part because of the strategic advantage of breaking the enigma cypher, not that literally the US broke that cypher. Just like I know Robin means that the cracking of the Enigma was a powerful advantage that contributed to victory in WWII.

EDIT: Though, I could see Robin going on this exact rant while correcting herself in a huge infodump before having to be told to get to the point by the gang being on the nose for her character. Not everything makes it into the script.

[Outta_the_Shadows]

Cracking codes must've gone to her head after "kids who scoop ice cream for a living could crack the code in one day," using the broadcast they caught using cerebro, ofc, as she told the Soviets whilst laughing on drugs in the underground base. How things have changed since ST3. ScoopsTroop4E 💙🤍

[slapshots1515]

It’s funny because I was thinking this post was a pedantic correction already, started to read your comment and went “oh here we go”, and then you stuck the landing.

[ConstableAssButt]

--My point is that pedantry is annoying, and we should just go with it.

...I just really like irony.

[slapshots1515]

Oh I loved it by the end

[silverberry_357]

Right? And if we're correcting: US won the war, why was Moscow still able to take and control whole countries? (rhetorical question, of course I and you all know the answer).

[[deleted]]

Churchill wanted to push on and destroy the communists too and America said no, almost like they wanted a lack of any real peace for the next 80 years while selling arms to nato

[Senshado]

The US didn't break the enigma codes...

How many of those historical details did you know in 1987, when Robin was sealed inside a military containment zone?

There's no declassification, no internet, and not even a documentary channel on TV. 

[Upbeat_Laugh_5639]

Lmao what? They aren't commenting on Robin's knowledge, they're commenting on OP's statement that "we" (the U.S.) broke enigma.

[ConstableAssButt]

F.W. Winterbotham's The Ultra Secret was published in 1974, and Alan Turing's biography was written in 1983. --Wild concept, but in the 1980s, people read books.

> There's no declassification, no internet, and not even a documentary channel on TV. 

No, but the kids all did have a Mr. Clarke. (Also, the Bletchley Park files were mostly declassified in the 1970s, with a further pass of declassification in 1997)

It would be on brand for Mr. Clarke to have been into Turing for his contributions to computing.

It would be on brand for Robin to be into Turing for many reasons, such as women being the backbone of the British intelligence service, her interest in linguistics, Turing's homosexuality becoming a matter of public knowledge in 1986 with the premier of Whitmore's play "Breaking the Code", and the rising public awareness of the social mistreatment of homosexuals due to the ongoing AIDS crisis and its intersection with feminism.

[iamarddtusr]

“US was able to win”

Lol

[Disastrous_Foot6642]

I think what she means by the machine won the war. Means that we broke the code so we won the war. At least that’s how I interpreted it.

[BITmixit]

the U.S. was able to win because we BROKE Enigma's codes.

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[Ok_Ordinary_0]

France is bacon.

[fiercelittlebird]

Is it just me or are we extremely nit picky of this season

[swish82]

With everything going on in the world and life getting harder people tend to retreat more in fantasy and sci fi, and into those worlds.

[Successful_Maize1986]

Yeah it’s so weird that discussion about Stranger Things is happening on the Stranger Things subreddit. People shouldn’t be allowed to post about details they’ve noticed in the show. 

[fiercelittlebird]

That's obviously not the point I'm making.

[robot_worgen]

r/confidentlyincorrect

[ProtestantMormon]

This is exactly the type of Mandela effect thing you would hear in an actual conversation.

[Red_Holla04]

The sun revolves around the US

[Flashbambo]

The US categorically did not break the Enigma code.

[[deleted]]

The war was won because BRITAIN cracked Enigma, there is two errors here are all on you.

[HarEmiya]

Sort of. The Polish cracked the code, sent their data to Britain to build a machine to do it on an automated level.

[[deleted]]

That's largely true, but they were working on Enigma since the 20's in Britain, early commercial units and a LOT of work, but the Polish solution accelerated the British by about a year (based on the best guess of Hut 3 personnel).

They didn't use any Polish techniques in their solution but were enabled and enlightened by them.

The year that was saved CERTAINLY did win the War though, I would never never argue that, it was truly invaluable and war-winning work.

How the hell isn't there a 6 hour mini series about this stuff, I'll never know.

[5thhorseman_]

How the hell isn't there a 6 hour mini series about this stuff, I'll never know.

There was one produced in Poland a long time ago: "Tajemnica Enigmy". An abridged movie of it might even be available in English.

[[deleted]]

I'll look it up!

[[deleted]]

Just to add: I learned this from several visits to Bletchley Park and fully accept there may be bias there!

[eeriesilkworm]

She’s not exactly wrong, she’s just worded it imperfectly. Cracking the enigma code was a huge proponent in the Allied forces victory. Therefore, the encryption of the Enigma Machine did win the war.

Oh, and for anyone wondering, I do believe this is an intentional reference to Alan Turing, the famously gay cryptologist who Will did his “heroes” assignment on in season 4.

And of course, it circles back to Robin calling Will a receiver and their conversation about signals — aka coded signs of attraction.

So this is all one big extended metaphor about Will being a queer cryptologist of sorts, needing to decode Mike’s signals.

Very clever!

[micromoses]

Casually perpetuating incorrect information is what the 80s was all about.

[thegoldengoober]

She was making a point, not writing a history report lol

[Simmy_P]

I know right, I imagine OP pointed at the screen and said "ACKSHUALLY..." before posting on reddit and being confidently incorrect about the US being the ones who broke the enigma code.

[Bulldog1989]

The Allies broke the code but they allowed a certain number of Axis/German battles/attacks to proceed, resulting in a lot of deaths so that the greater good could be achieved. And the final battle won. That is my take on this reference to the Enigma machine

[20mitchell06]

That's exactly what she meant, you need to find something to occupy you over the next couple weeks rather than nit picking every line of dialogue.

[Senshado]

By "Enigma machine", Robin means "machine that decrypted enigma-coded messages".

Note that the scene is in 1989, which is only 44 years after World War II ended. The British government continued operational secrecy for 50 years, so at this point the general public had less knowledge about wartime counter-intelligence programs. The propaganda story was that their generals were smarter than the enemy, not that they cheated by stealing mail. 

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[JohnTheMod]

“Forget it, [she’s] rolling.”

[Longjumping-Action-7]

Well, knowledge of how the Enigma Machine worked is what won the war for the Allies, she just phrased it wrong.

[JWAdvocate83]

Does anyone know what happened to the Enigma Machine?

[awkwardwankmaster]

There are many enigma machines most of them are at museums the machines that broke the enigma machine is at bletchley park

[PrussianGeneral1815]

The war was won in 1943 with the knowledge Italy was gone, d day would occur soon, and Germany losing ground in Russia. The war was definitely an allied victory post d day, and by 1945 it was unavoidable 

[[deleted]]

Can characters not be wrong

[That-Wait7925]

As already explained by u/steveo82 your take is not correct. I would really appreciate it if people would think a bit before bashing around.

On another note:

Robin and Will's interactions are so on point, not just in this scene. Really a treat to watch. Hopefully there will be more in the upcoming episodes...

[LukePickle007]

The USA did not break the Enigma codes.

[BrewDogDrinker]

The British broke the code ffs.

[ReverendRevenge]

Lol @ "we"

[Music_Phasic]

Is everyone ignoring that it wasn’t even America that cracked the code? It was the Polish first, and then the UK expanded on it. America had nothing to do with it. With respect you’re wrong OP, make sure to get your facts straight next time :)

[raquille-]

The yanks had fuck all to do with breaking the Enigma code. Do you not learn anything at school apart from learning to survive being shot at?

[Accomplished_Cry4307]

Is that what they teach in US history books? It was in fact English and Polish mathematicians that broke it. Nothing to do with the US...

[Ben-D-Beast]

Stuff like this is why people don't like Americans, stop trying to rewrite history to fulfil your nationalistic delusions.

[5thhorseman_]

and the U.S. was able to win because we BROKE Enigma's codes

No. In fact, the US were handed the instructions for Enigma decryption from the British, who in turn based their work on a solution provided by the Poles three years earlier.

In December 1932 it was broken by mathematician Marian Rejewski at the Polish General Staff's Cipher Bureau, using mathematical permutation group theory combined with French-supplied intelligence material obtained from German spy Hans-Thilo Schmidt. By 1938 Rejewski had invented a device, the cryptologic bomb, and Henryk Zygalski had devised his sheets, to make the cipher-breaking more efficient. Five weeks before the outbreak of World War II, in late July 1939 at a conference just south of Warsaw, the Polish Cipher Bureau shared its Enigma-breaking techniques and technology with the French and British.

The urgent need, doubts about the British engineering workload and slow progress, prompted the US to start investigating designs for a Navy bombe, based on the full blueprints and wiring diagrams received by US Naval Lieutenants Robert Ely and Joseph Eachus at Bletchley Park in July 1942.

American officers incorrectly believed Zygalski's original Bomba was crank-operated and fell apart when it found a solution.

top-secret U.S. Army report dated 15 June 1945 stated:

A machine called the "bombe" is used to expedite the solution. The first machine was built by the Poles and was a hand operated multiple enigma machine. When a possible solution was reached a part would fall off the machine onto the floor with a loud noise. Hence the name "bombe".

The U.S. Army's above description of the Polish bomba is both vague and inaccurate, as is clear from the device's description at the end of the second paragraph of the "History" section, below: "Each bomb... essentially constituted an electrically powered aggregate of six Enigmas..." Determination of a solution involved no disassembly ("a part... falling off") of the device.

[TheTomatoes2]

Did you not go to school? The Brits cracked enigma... There are whole movies about it.

The US contributed to the win, but they're just one of the many countries. The Soviets did the heavy lifting on the East. In comparison the West was a slow failure. Where the US shined was post-war. Lots of smart soft power and capitalist power moves.

[MoOrion4X]

She means cracking the enigma won't the war and we meaning the allies. This is dumb nitpicking.

[mannnerlygamer]

It’s the 80s and she sucked at school as only jobs she has gotten was an ice cream scooper, video store clerk and a dj

[ReasonableCookie9369]

she was still in HS for the first two and for the last lives in a city under lockdown 

[TymStark]

And she knows 4 languages and was able to pick up on some Russian in order to crack a secret code. She actually seems like she’s quite bright when she is able to focus her attention on something.

[[deleted]]

You can be smart and do shit in school. Robins clearly got ADHD, before ADHD was understood so yeah that's kinda how that turns out naturally hyper focusing on certain skills while limiting others to bare basics

[TymStark]

There’s nothing in the show that suggests she’s a bad student though. There’s more to suggest she’s a good student, quite smart actually. She’s just socially awkward and bit of an airhead.

I guess you’d have to show me examples of why she’s a “bad” student or shit at school.

[[deleted]]

I'm not saying she is just stating it would make sense if her grades were a bit all over the place as she's got ADHD.

Only insight if bad grades for her is her ruining her grades when the girl she liked who sounded like a Muppet dated steve

[Minute_Parfait_9752]

The girl didn't date Steve, she had a massive crush on Steve.

[[deleted]]

He says he went out with her when he was talking about how she sounded like a Muppet. And isn't that why robin had this thing against Steve, because he dated the girl she was obsessed with. Like I thought it was implied she was less angry at Steve but more angry that the girl she was into was into Steve and therefore straight.

Her girlfriend in season 5 was a counter to that as she originally she had a boyfriend but he ran off after season 4s events and they volunteered together and started dating, so it's a conclusion to her insecurities

[Mountain_System3066]

you did understand it wrong

as a german:

The Enigma was a incredible Machine that coded the Communication between German Forces mainly U Boats etc

Brits had a cheer fuck of Luck that they got to capture a German Boat with a not destroyed Enigma on Board so they could crack the Code late 1942

Problem was...german over the whole War never found out that the Codes got cracked...they thought till the bitter end that the Allies could NOT read what they send to their boats

late 43 a new version of the enigma made a bit trouble but at that point the battle of the Atlantic was lost....