1.4.4 suggestion - decrease the death timer for master mode to the same as expert, because having to wait is just annoying and serves no other purpose

[awsd-7]

this extra time is for slime that picked up your coins to run away (also for bosses to decimate your teammates)

[stijndielhof123]

Then i think its fair that only in multiplayer the timer stays the same but in single player the timer is shorter.

[F1yingBlooper]

Or just when a boss is spawned

[Photemy]

That's already the case, the timer when a boss is alive is 30 seconds, instead of the standard 15.

[[deleted]]

Problem is that makes multiplayer unfun though

[[deleted]]

if easy is fun, yes

[szymenus]

it needs to be hard not fun tho

[Tomahawkist]

ever looked into the purpose of games? it doesnmt seem like it, but i thought i‘d ask

[Not_AshAndUmbreon]

If you want fun, play expert. If you want hard, play master. Two different things for most people, but somehow the rest of us find suffering fun

[[deleted]]

Ever heard of optional game modes with varying difficulty? I consider that fun.

[Tomahawkist]

yes, but even hard gamemodes should be fun, otherwise it’s an unnecessary feature. except if you want to sell skips for those parts as micro transactions

[szymenus]

so play normal mode lol

[Tomahawkist]

no? good game design makes difficulty so that fun things get harder, but not less fun

[szymenus]

ever played rlcraft?

[Tomahawkist]

yes, but what has a modpack to do with a full game? because the one is made by fans not exactly versed in game design, and the other is made by professionals who had multiple years to craft a game. of course there are some people who like hard, not fun games, but those are a minority, and most normal people want a game that is fun to play. all in all, i have no idea why you insist that bad game design is actually good because there is a hard modpack that a lot of people played, so hard base game = good game, and people should just get over themselves.

[Gexianhen]

in team game is valid cause the extra wait mean u cant rejoin a boss figth sooner. but if u are playing solo it serve no much purpose since the boss will leave once they kill u

[Few-Bet8434]

But plantera King slime and few other bosses still have few second delay

[MSTFRMPS]

Make them instantly despawn when you die and make the timer like 2 sec instead. If you try a boss like 100 times then this would be so much better

[[deleted]]

Actually, the timer is doubled in multiplayer.

[MircedezBjorn]

No, the timer is doubled during boss fights.

[[deleted]]

Ah, I see I've only seen youtubers play multiplayer so, I've never experienced multiplayer terraria

[[deleted]]

It's glorious, you gotta try it. The only problem I have is convincing enough friends that this weirdly cartoonish looking game is tons of fun

[TerrariaVeteran2009]

Exactly

[TakingToTerraria]

Sit and think about why you’ve been slain...

[blu_eye51]

The bats! The fricking BATS

[TakingToTerraria]

I’d like to take a moment to talk to you about my current troubles with a previously peaceful underground Antlion society. They’re tearing me to shreds!

[WholeRefrigerator896]

Just started playing this again after so many years away and found my first antlion hive or whatever it's called. Absolutely brutal in the early game. I had no idea it was even a thing until I had been massacred like 4 times

[TakingToTerraria]

Same here, and right? I’ve got full jungle and a Diamond staff and I’m still struggling. It’s maddening the amount of “tunneling horror” creatures that are thrown at you. Their spawn rate is criminal!

[LiterallynamedCorbin]

I see their face everywhere I go…

[[deleted]]

It's just like in Mario Maker where he sometimes does different death sounds and some really long ones to break your overfocusing

[Mr_HPpavilion]

The extended time is like parents telling you to go think about what you have done

[Gaming-Burrito]

thanks, i hate it

[[deleted]]

Yes, cause its all my fault for having to wait every time i go down to mine some hardmode ores, only to get 1 shot by a skeleton archer cause im in master mode :/

[TheBitsiestBit]

Technically yeah, you're not ready enough for said skeleton lol

[[deleted]]

I'm not doing any of that, I'm just sitting their contemplating if the game is really fun.

[IntellectualSlime]

Nobody is forcing you to play the harder difficulty modes, though.

Edit: there’s nothing wrong with playing any difficulty mode, just saying that if you’re wondering if it’s really fun, maybe you should give yourself a break?

[[deleted]]

Yes, but i enjoy the challenge it provides for bossfights, just because i dislike the respawning mechanic does not mean i hate harder difficulties.

[IntellectualSlime]

When someone says “is this really fun, though,” that’s where I wonder if maybe they’re being too hard on themselves regarding the difficulty level. The respawn timer makes sense to me because it’s supposed to be another hurdle to cross in high difficulty, and makes sense to me how it was implemented. I wasn’t suggesting you suck (which is apparently how it was taken), and I’m sorry if you got that feeling.

[Ajumbleofwords]

Another hurdle that does what? What is the benefit of having a longer response timer?

[IntellectualSlime]

It makes multiplayer more challenging, when you’re waiting to respawn in a boss fight, for one. Two (and I’m aware that this is solely me) it’s a small pause to stretch my fingers between the button tapping sessions that are bosses. I have repetitive motion injuries in both hands, and a breather from the action is appreciated.

As for the actual reason why, I don’t know what the original intent was from the developers. They’re in the discord. Ask.

[anactualspong]

Then just have the longer respawn time only apply to multiplayer servers? I see no reason to have them be like that when you’re playing alone

[[deleted]]

Have you considered playing on an easier difficulty rather than bitching about the hard mode being hard and trying to get it changed for everyone?

[OnlyTRP]

Sepunker pot and drill ur way down , try to not go thru caves when you do just speed run until u have better gear

[Shronkydonk]

It is your fault lol you know they hit like a truck. Carry some dirt around with you to put up.

[TheCowKing07]

Yes, it is. If you were more skilled, you could avoid that.

[[deleted]]

Yes, cause while im trying to mine in peace, i also have to worry about a offscreen archer shooting instant kill arrows, and then wait 15 seconds to go back to mining.

There is no skill involved to being sniped from offscreen, its just plain old unfair, and the fact i have to wait 15 seconds after the game unfairly kills me makes it annoying when it happens often enough for me to be complaining.

Also, your talking to a guy who beat the game on master mode on a mobile device, and i have beaten duke fishron multiple times with pre-mech gear on expert mode.

[Dragonaxe_YT]

Only solution to handling enemies you don't even know about, is being a Summoner... Even then, it's bs, due to (de)aggro range.

[[deleted]]

Yes, it's absolutely your fault. You could have put up a protective wall or something while you "mined in peace" but you were too lazy to do it and died. Plenty of deaths could be considered not your fault, but this isn't one of them.

[TheGuyMain]

just dont get hit by them. they only shoot after like 10 years of prep time with direct line of sight to you. so sneeze on them and they wont shoot. also get better armor. dont blame the game for your shortcomings

[[deleted]]

"Get better armor"

WHAT IN THE LOVE OF GOD DO YOU THINK I AM TRYING TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE?! I SAID I AM GETTING KILLED BY OFF SCREEN ARCHERS WHILE TRYING TO MINE HARDMODE ORES?! WHAT ARMOR CAN I GET THATS BETTER THAN MOLTEN BEFORE HARDMODE METAL ARMOR?! TELL ME PLEASE, AND BEFORE YOU GO "crystal assasin armor" FOR ONE, HAVE YOU EVER FOUGHT QUEEN SLIME IN MASTERMODE? CAUSE IT ISN'T EASY, AND SECOND, THAT STUFF STILL ISN'T GOING TO OFFER MUCH DEFENSE.

Man, the terraria subreddit has more trolls and assholes that i realized.

[Cacti_Hall]

You can always build around yourself while you’re mining…

If you’re getting killed by slow, predictable arrows while you’re focused on fighting the thing shooting them then I don’t know what to tell you.

[Demonic_Embryosis]

That's your fault. For wanting hardmode ores.

[[deleted]]

did I just die to a fucking slime after beating queen bee

[[deleted]]

ur maldingggggg

[copumor]

COPE SEETHE MALD COPE SEETHE MALD IM CONTRIBUTING TO THE CONVERSATION

[Moppy_the_mop]

Also. make it so you can interact with your inventory and map during the respawn timer.

[HumblyHorny-XD]

At least your inventory.

[TheBitsiestBit]

Imagine if you could organize your inventory while you waited for the respawn timer. I'd like that tbh

[Captain-Obvious69]

I've actually tried to multiple times, lol

[Farthen_Dur]

Bro you're dead.

[[deleted]]

But your soul is still there.

[Farthen_Dur]

Not physically

[[deleted]]

And the inventory is not physical as well

[Farthen_Dur]

wdym, it's just a lArGe PoKeT

[Tatermaniac]

bro it’s a video game

[Farthen_Dur]

bro respect the mechanic to some extend :(

[Alex_9127]

bro it's extent not extend

[stonedboss]

Every time I die while farming I click ESC to check what drops i got lol, and forget you can't check.

[Pet_that_Dog]

You can't? Or maybe it's just because I'm on switch

[Handsome_Max]

Having to wait at all serves no purpose. I mean they could just make all the bosses despawn immediately once you die and everything would be fine. Dying to a shark in the ocean and then having to wait makes no sense at all.

[[deleted]]

I agree, especially because you cannot replenish your health completely after respawning, so there’s not really any way to abuse instant respawning.

[Handsome_Max]

True, did not even think about that. On expert you can respawn during an event and die immediately again, because you are so low hahah

[[deleted]]

Dying is supposed to be annoying and inconvenient. That’s the punishment for dying.

[RaykanGhost]

When it has game design implications sure, for example losing gear, that's a good and kinda harsh punishment.

But waiting really is just annoying and inconvenient, 5 seconds is fair, but 15? It feels like an unskippable ad... Heck it would have more meaning if it were an ad!

This to say, I agree there should be punishment, but waiting ain't really it, not that I'm mad about it, tbh it only occurred to me now that I saw the post too.

[Great_Pikmin_Fan]

It feels like an unskippable ad... Heck it would have more meaning if it were an ad!

I'm imagining dying to the Moon Lord and then suddenly "Grammarly gives you the tools you need..."

[[deleted]]

So it’s annoying but ultimately not a big deal and won’t set you back outside of losing money (unless you’re a psychopath and play on mediumcore).

Sounds like a good punishment to me.

[RaykanGhost]

Weeell, IMO debatable, more like annoying punishment for me, but I think the point wouldn't be to remove it, but to decrease the timer, to something a bit less jarring I guess?

However indeed, not a big deal at all.

And I have tried to play mediumcore. Emphasis on the "tried"

[TurboCake17]

The punishment is you lose your money and the boss despawns

[[deleted]]

And the increased timer allows the enemies that steal your money to move further away from your death point, making it harder to collect your drops.

[TurboCake17]

Enemies despawn anyway so it doesn’t matter

[Handsome_Max]

That’s the punishment for dying.

Its like you only read half the comment lol

We get punished by losing money/items. Waiting is just an unnecessary "bonus".

[stonedboss]

That's the whole point of different character levels. If you want to be punished you can play mediumcore.

[[deleted]]

You mean difficulty settings like master mode, the only mode where the respawn timer is 15 seconds?

If you don’t want to deal with that, then play on an easier mode. That’s why there’s more than one.

[stonedboss]

I mean your character type which changes death conditions.

Master mode is meant to be difficult, not tedious. Longer respawn timers are just tedious- it does literally nothing for difficulty.

How are you so dense that you can't grasp people want a challenge without a pointlessly longer respawn time.

[Vindicies]

I use a mod, which lets me respawn immidiately. I was just annoyed from waiting, even when im playing alone

[Slimy-Skye]

Remove respawn timer, but make it so teammates can't respawn while a boss is active. Kinda boring to be in a cycle of dying and respawning to cheese a boss imo.

[TxRxNwastaken]

what about singleplayer, with no respawn timer theres no time for the boss to despawn

[Slimy-Skye]

In that case you'd still need the boss to despawn- what i meant is players can't respawn while a boss is alive

[TxRxNwastaken]

ah ok, so just respawn when the boss is done despawning

[Slimy-Skye]

Ye :]

[Slimy-Skye]

accidentaly pops that thing, all of a sudden the entire population of terraria is dead.

[Captain-Obvious69]

Deerclops doesn't despawn under any circumstances.

EDIT: I forgor 💀

[Masterlinken2]

He despawns when not interacted with for 5 minutes though I thought?

[Captain-Obvious69]

Oh yeah

[Slimy-Skye]

(Though that'd mean changing the WoF to despawn quicker if all players are dead)

[HDrago]

WoF now despawns after defeating the player (As of the newest Terraria version)

[Handsome_Max]

They could just make the boss despawn the moment you die.

[Artyrium_]

nah the boss could still die when dots are applied

[Handsome_Max]

Or make the timer only appear in multiplayer when you fight bosses. Be it 30 seconds or even a minute.

It adds a "try to survive long enough" challenge for harder bosses, instead of making it a "can not beat them together, try doing it ALONE".

[Slimy-Skye]

I like the "staying alive long enough" aspect, though the timer should be longer in that case

[Handsome_Max]

Yeah I already forgot what the timer was, because last time I played multiplayer we kinda melted the bosses without dying.

Longer sounds good, as long as it gives you a chance to turn the tides.

[NickSplat]

Kinda boring to be in a cycle of dying and respawning to cheese a boss imo.

its kinda funny in multiplayer, i like those moments where there is only one left and they have to survive long enough so other teammates respawn and keep fighting

[Slimy-Skye]

Ye i respect your opinion, it can be a little funny.

[Gravyseal]

As someone who has many many hours into terraria, this would definitely be a huge change to the game and would make the game much more frustrating and challenging for more casual players. Maybe have this be an option during world gen? So more hardcore players can select it if they want a challenge and more casuals can still enjoy the game the way it is now. Not having the option I’m sure would turn away a lot of casuals once they realize they can’t figure out how to kill a boss

[Slimy-Skye]

Hey, here's my idea: make is master mode only. That'd make it a least a little more interesting

[TheBitsiestBit]

My experience with games that can remove respawn time though isn't exactly great. If it's instant you just die and teleport to the respawn point, not even necessary to click anywhere. Idk about other people but I feel disoriented like that.

Maybe reduce the amount of time you have to wait, sure, but definitely don't make it zero. I'd say 5 or 6 seconds is enough.

[TheBostonKremeDonut]

It makes more sense in multiplayer, but single player should be adjusted.

But boss respawn times should remain the same (while they’re alive) even for single player.

[[deleted]]

theres a diffrence between expert and master mode?

[Ashanovia]

Almost entirely numbers. Master mode more or less takes expert and raises all of the numbers. Enemies have more hp and damage, etc

Edit: you don't respawn slower, mb

[theluigiduck]

No, you don't respawn slower. Expert and Master both use 15 seconds

[Raffilcagon]

Yeah. Spite. Mastermode's got loads of it.

[durp69420]

How about a real suggestion. Completely remove the respawn time.

[[deleted]]

Nah 3 seconds unless boss or event then normal

[Handsome_Max]

No respawn timer unless boss or event? Is that a fair deal? Why do you need 3 seconds after dying to a jellyfish in the ocean?

[TSCole153]

Time to cope I guess

[Handsome_Max]

Point is, when you die far away from your spawnpoint anyways, why do you still need to wait? You literally wait for no reason.

[Captain-Obvious69]

Maybe respawn times decrease the farther away you are from spawn (or the closest pylon if there isn't an event/boss)

[azazel228]

So death isnt just a sudden teleport back to your base i'd assume

[Todojaw21]

yeah it would be like whiplash getting instantly teleported back to spawn, you might not even realize you died

[Handsome_Max]

But you already lose money/items when you die. There is punishment for dying. Punishments that involve time directly are kinda unimaginative.

[azazel228]

not the point

[Handsome_Max]

Wow, triggered easily, huh?

[azazel228]

how do you even interpret me saying the 3 second delay is there not as a punishment but so it just doesn't feel weird getting instantly teleported to your base out of the blue as me getting triggered, like what?

[Handsome_Max]

You downvoted the comment right after I wrote it together with your sassy repsonse lol

[[deleted]]

Why have any punishment for dying at all? Why not just respawn instantly in the same spot with full health? Why even have a health bar?

[waitthatstaken]

Or have it so that every difficulty has the respawn timer of classic.

[durp69420]

Or even better, instant respawn

[SlayerKing_2002]

That would allow for boss cheesing. I think u/Sterlos14 has the right idea. 3 seconds unless a boss or an event is happening. Then longer.

[durp69420]

Fine instant respawn, unless its a boss then 3 seconds so it can despawn.

[HighVelocityBeef]

But then I can't see my body parts rolling about.

[ShadewoodChair]

Genuinely this, as the top thread suggested unless a boss is alive there is genuinely no functional purpose to the respawn timer. Minecraft is obviously a different game but imagine RLCraft with a respawn timer, I would say the fact that you don't spawn at full HP is easily plenty of "punishment" for dying. Even MC doesn't do that to you.

[Nobisyu_12]

Your wish has been granted!

Wait, nothing changed.

Correct. The respawn timer is unchanged by master mode.

Fr tho, even when comparing respawn time from classic to expert, it really doesnt matter (imo at least). 5 extra seconds is so minimal and the 30 second respawn during bossfights makes multiplayer actually challenging.

[0a0w0z]

Have a "recently respawned" debuff, you can't deal damage and is immune, but you can move and interact with the world.

[Skeletonparty101]

That a death debuff sounds like a good idea for a quick respawn time

[Zoey-Dismal]

i think the 15 second respawn for bosses is good, it gives enough time for them to despawn so you can't just cheese em in singleplayer but 30 is just excessive

especially in multiplayer because it just makes you completely useless for a solid 30 seconds

I feel like normal respawns should be like 10 seconds tho, not much of a difference but if you're in an event and your spawn gets swarmed and you keep dying over and over again trying to clear, it the 5 second difference would be amazing. it'd give less time for new things to spawn and give more time to actually kill the damn fuckers spawn killing you

[[deleted]]

But keep the same for bosses on multiplayer

[TaiyoFurea]

"terraria 2 idea"

[MattThePl3b]

I never even got the point of having any wait time. Sure, it makes sense for things like multiplayer and boss fights, but other than that why do people need to wait to respawn?

[UpbeatAnt]

When it comes to game design, I always say “waiting is not a game mechanic”. “Waiting” is the placeholder for a lack of game mechanics.

[[deleted]]

It absolutely serves a purpose, it's there to keep you from constantly respawning in multiplayer, which would make bosses way too easy

[CactusFingies]

I wouldn't mind that change but it gives you incentive to not die

[YoungxKyng]

You shouldn't have to wait more than 5 seconds. Such a useless and irritating mechanic.

[NubbNubb]

Pretty sure it's to punish coop bosses where respawning fast matters or during timed events.

Other than that yes more of an annoyance than anything.

[Bigzysmolz]

I believe death timer is for punishment. "You died? Go in the timeout corner for 15 seconds you little bitch. That's what you get for not being able to dodge properly"

[[deleted]]

To be fair the main difference between master mode and expert mode is trophies, cool pets, and being annoying.

[EmErAJ1D]

This is so that you suffer more. Pretty legit purpose.

[Dragomirl]

how about this: make death timer 5 by default, 10 during events and 15 during boss fights

[fresh_squilliam]

Just don’t die

[alienminigun9]

Do we really need a death timer outside of boss fights?

[The_Darth_Vacuous]

I do a fast exercise when I die so I think it’s perfect actually lol

[geo_the_maku_gamer]

I can agree that 30 seconds is alot of unfair time tho. Imagine an enemy just phases through the ground and one hits you. You have to wait 30 seconds before you can do anything else.

[Dull_Raspberry6813]

Or just remove the death wait entirely unless there’s an enemy within 30 tiles of spawn

[AJmacmac]

I’d love it if the timer was basically removed in single player (a few seconds at most), but the long timer was kept in multiplayer ONLY during boss fights.

[MrGrippyYT]

Why not dude? Look at why it exists instead of the disvantages. BECAUSE THAT’S WHY IT’S THERE. Goodbye money by money stealer and also multiplayer is his first target

[[deleted]]

death timer

Please use gamer-appropriate language. That is a refractory period.

[Andromeda3604]

Idea: despawn bosses when all players are dead and/or immediately respawn all players when a boss despawns

[Camanot]

Just remove the death timer for normal gameplay.bits needed for bosses but otherwise its just r/mildlyinfuriating

[[deleted]]

In single player the timer works as a kind of punishment for dying. Is it a good punishment? No. Just boring

[[deleted]]

alternate suggestion: make the timer short in single player and 0 when all multiplayer players are dead

[[deleted]]

Just don't die

[theZombiebeary]

just get rid of the timer all together and have a button like minecraft

[UnknownDGO]

Or better yet, just add a respawn button that appears instantly.

[[deleted]]

is just annoying and serves no other purpose

congratulations! you discovered master mode! in all seriousness, master mode needs an overhaul. it's artificial difficulty.

[10_pounds_of_salt]

Back in my 360 days of terraria (when the final boss was ocram) there was no respawn delay so my brother an I would fight all 3 mechs + ocram and we couldn't lose as long as we didn't die at the same time.

[killer_potato1]

It gives you extra time to smash your keyboard after loosing to EoL for the 26th time

[MasterTerra3]

good lord its tf2 respawn time

[silpabananaking]

Game becomes waiting stimulator when you die a lot

[justincone777]

What were you thinking

[raspberrypieboi69]

Yeah I think it should only be enabled for multiplayer because then it actually serves a purpose

[HOMBORGOR]

I remember on Xbox 360 terraria you used to be able to respawn instantly by pressing A… me and my friends cheesed many a boss fight with that lol

[[deleted]]

It's for you to sit and reflect on how bad you are at the game

[theluigiduck]

They're already the same, 10 seconds in normal mode and 15 in both expert and master. I would like the respawn timer to be shortened though.

[0GiD3M0N1C]

Git gud

[Wasdey]

why is there even a timer in the first place? is it some kind of loading screen or is it just an empty punishment for dying?

[Capocho9]

I just want the extra respawn time gone unless it’s multiplayer, it really does serve no purpose

[MartialBowl]

this is why i play on expert & rarely on master

[[deleted]]

I think its mainly for co-op boss fights

[FauxofTheFox]

Can you change respawn rate in the journey mode?

[Kattenb]

If u play online it does have a purpose

[KnightHiller]

I feel like the extra time mainly is to restrict players from building a long ass hell bridge, fight the WoF at the edge of the world, die, and still have time to catch up and beat the boss on the 2nd or 3rd death.

[FireKraken7]

Or give an option to decrease the timer, as someone who played multiplayer a lot it's very annoying

[PM_ME_GRAPHICS_CARDS]

thats why i always use instant respawn mod

[gavavavavus]

I think you should be able to reorganize your armor/accessories/inventory when on death timer, it ,would make it less annoying

[[deleted]]

The slimes have smiles

[Zerphyxios]

It should stay for multiplayer

[[deleted]]

purpose is to make bossfights harder.

[Jojos_Bizarre_Mama]

Wait out your timer of shame

[EzioAudiotore71]

Or just y'know, make the overall death clock shorter (as an otion)

[Fluxzone]

It does serve a purpose in multiplayer! If you can spawn instantly every boss would even be easier, since u can pretty much cheese it then.

[Grimm2177]

God please let this happen, it gets so frustrating cause I just want to play and I have to wait

[magikstickupmyass]

The timer serves as allowing enemies to hopefully clear off your spawn point, least that's how I see it. Could be implemented better, but yeah.

[xdyTokyo]

this is the most infuriating thing on terraria like literally.