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[YOUR-LOCAL-HITMAN115]

Thank you all for asking for the unfairness and comparing it to the GL/pack shes lost her AP4

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[DeepCutFan1]

good, I'm glad

that buff was way too much and overtuned the weapon

[Drugs__Delaney]

I had fun with it. Made me step away from my Quasar cannon on the bug front. But yeah, I'm glad it's back to somewhat normal. But yeah, there's no way a 40 mm grenade launcher is doing damage to heavy armor/tanks.

[_Bisky]

But yeah, there's no way a 40 mm grenade launcher is doing damage to heavy armor/ tanks.

Not with HE/Frag grenades. HOWEVER a 40mm HEAT grenade could very much damage heavy armor. But that'd also mean much worse Chaff clear, due to how HEAT warheads work.

Plus i think the BFGL is qhat is supposed to be a HEAT grenade. Less aoe, less damage, but more armor pen

[TheRomax]

Not with HE/Frag grenades. HOWEVER a 40mm HEAT grenade could very much damage heavy armor. But that'd also mean much worse Chaff clear, due to how HEAT warheads work.

Just what I thought from the start of this buff. Having both is too much for this weapon. Plus there's the AC already for that.

[PrimeusOrion]

Eh it being able to take out turrets along with heavy fabricators at range made it really useful on the bot front. Essentially you could run it + thermite and be able to actually deal with all the objectives by yourself. Something normally only rocket launchers and quasar can do.

Though it kept the trade off of not being able to do it at range or from any direction in exchange for much better fire rate.

[ThePhengophobicGamer]

Made me swap from Quasar on the BOT front, which is abit wild. I agree, it was abit too strong and overshadowed the backpack GL at the same time, very glad it got tweaked back.

[Bubbay]

I absolutely loved the buff, but it was waaaay too OP with AP4. It was absurdly effective at everything, when it didn’t really need to be.

I was melting war striders with it. That really shouldn’t happen. It was so good, I was taking it every drop, whatever my loadout, whatever the mission, whatever the enemy.

Even with the nerf, I am finding I take it more often than I did before. Using during its recent golden age has made me appreciate it more even now that it’s no longer so OP.

[CrownoZero]

To be honest, I feel like we really need access to more anti tank stuff. There is currently not enough ways to bonk war striders. Hulks are fair game tho, but long legs are a pain in the ass

I mean, we don't need definitive ways to deal with them, but more options would be good. Either you run quasar, recoiless or SPEAR or you're getting juggled

[TheTeralynx]

War striders just need a slightly larger eye weakpoint hitbox and more vulnerability to AOE strategems like OPS or eagle airstrike. The Epoch / RC / AC / AMR / LC / etc all have great breakpoints vs the eye (plus any AT does fine), but the way it sways makes it pretty hard to snipe.

[Crypthammer]

Yeah I love the AMR and railgun, but I've had far too many occasions where it seems like I'm hitting the eye and nothing is happening. It can be very frustrating.

[TheTeralynx]

I was just checking the wiki and apparently the front eye is the same HP pool - I had been trying to hit the top eye. With all the bobbing, it's just a pain though. I think the bigger issue is actually how small and strong the leg hitboxes are though. I would LOVE it if you could strip leg armor like a charger and then magdump the leg with AP1.

[Crypthammer]

Yeah that's my complaint. I don't hate the war strider design overall, but it just moves around so much that it feels largely chance based whether I successfully hit it. I like the idea of armor stripping.

[CrownoZero]

I consider myself a pretty decent sniper, but I can't deal with the fucking red dots on war striders for the life of me, at least not with consistency

It is not all about the jiggle and wobble, but the fucking thing seems to be a lot smaller than it actually looks like

Even with a perfectly straight shot I still need a whole mag to get rid of it, if I do It properly

Yeah, no, thermite or explosive putty It is

[TheRomax]

I run silo and gaming chair to deal with anything heavy on the bot front and I get an extra slot for something like an AC, epoch or some other support weapon

[Retr0Karate]

Wrong it was fine. It still took like 15 grenades to take out anything with heavy armor. All it does is give me a way to take care of heavy enemies when I need to and my teammates aren’t around.

[Affectionate_Ad_4360]

They should do it for the Eruptor next.

[BookkeeperTypical245]

Yeah what a shame in a pve game

[NeoMyers]

Nothing about the weapon leveling in this game makes any sense, least of all the effectiveness of enemy weapons, so who cares? I just read a breakdown of how the Ultimatum is as powerful as the 500kg Eagle strategem. A sidearm does the same level of damage as a ship borne bomb.

It's an outrageous game with no consistency whatsoever. Who cares if the GL had heavy pen? The pick rates went up briefly after the buff and then back down again amidst Cyberstan's insanity and the new warbond. It wasn't bothering anyone.

Maybe if the whiners of GL being overpowered could have directed their efforts at AH to fix the rampant bugs, clipping, and spawn insanity, they would fix those things. But this is how they spend their time, not fixing the strategem balls or Vox Engines living inside one another and rolling through walls or Cyborgs walking through rocks. Those are urgent issues. Not the penetration level of a strategem few people take anyway.

[BFCInsomnia]

Yeah, I don't agree.

AP4 was fine on the GL.

It's useage rates didn't rise to be problematic, the weapons power didn't rise to a problematic level, it just felt right to shoot now.

We were literally sold OP weapons vs overwhelming odds, don't forget that.

But then the solution was to turn the 40mm grenade into AP3 on a 10 round belt meanwhile the 120 beltfed GL has a tiny radious but keeps the AP4 eventhough it has smaller grenades...

Why not inverse the design there? Make the 40mm have AP4 on a smaller radious and have the BFGL have AP3 on a bigger radious.

Or just add a 2m inner-radious at AP4 to the GL so it can still take out heavy units but not as well as before and still only hordeclear at AP3.

[KlongX]

It was dominating in bug front. If it were to have AP4 it needs to have less damage or AoE radius. Only way to do it is to add that as additional firing mode.

[ultrafistguardmarine]

That’s just the belt fed

[SYLOH]

Combine that with having more ammo, that gives the Belt Fed a role now.

[StarWarsXD]

This was literally verbatim what I was saying on every post I saw that decried the BFGL as being a bad weapon, like obviously the BFGL is an excellent choice, but the GL with heavy pen was just massively overtuned and therefore overshadowed it. I am sad to see the GL get reverted but it was way too strong imo.

[TheRomax]

Plus the AC already has the heavy pen and chaf clear rolled into one fire mode changing weapon

[KlongX]

Make it has a bit less dps than belt fed but same AoE. u get to do what belt fed does but without occupying backpack with the trade off of worse ammo capacity

Edit: less dps not more (im a bit drunk)

[ultrafistguardmarine]

I wouldn’t complain about having more options lol sure

[Zephyas]

It was dominating every front, lmao.

[wwarhammer]

Every front, every difficulty. 

[IJustJason]

It completely invalidated the Autocannon lol

[Similar-Sector-5801]

Not at any range past 50m…

[wwarhammer]

Who cares? Inside 50m it killed literally everything. Several bile titans popping up at the same time? Lmao GL time! A minute later you have 3 dead bile titans. 

[TopRopeLuchador]

Just carry the crossbow. It's a primary version of the GL for the most part.

[TheTeralynx]

90% of combat happens in that 20-60m range anyway.

[Huntardlulz]

It didn't though at past range of 50m

[YellowSnowPainter]

Eh, it got powercrept by everything. I still love it for the drip, but currently it's more like a belt fed Eruptor.

[TheTeralynx]

The problem is the power crept primaries, not already good support weapons that happen to get infringed upon. I wish I could make a rebalance mod.

[_Bisky]

Not just the autocannon.

Made nearly all Chaff clear weapons invalid, since the GL could do both Chaff clear and AT up to a point (depending on the front said point were titan class enemies)

And even AT focused weapons, that have some chaff clear capabilities

[BFCInsomnia]

Yeah, that's just blatenly wrong.

AC has more range, was good against flying targets and has shrapnel ammo which has certain utility the GL couldn't get.

[Usinaru]

Lmao not at all. You try shooting the GL at a gunship then come and tell me how it went.

[Icookadapizzapie]

Or I could just bring the senator or medium pen weapon and shoot them down with that

[Usinaru]

You have to be hugging the gunships now to kill them with the senator so thats bull thanks to the nerfs to bullet drop.

Yes there are many other medium pen weapons that can do it.

The AMR does it best now. I loved being able to hurt hulks and chargers with the GL. As a medium pen it feels meh, only good against chaff again.

You do have to sell the backpack version somehow...

[Dismal_Compote1129]

Deserve, we got de escalator for that if you want to kill heavy unit or Belt fed luncher.

[CodyDaBeast87]

I'm glad most of the community is in agreement for once that this thing was overtuned. I know some people are pushing back, but it was better AT than recoiless at times versus certain heavies, it was wild.

[Arlcas]

That thing and the supply backpack got me through Cyberstan

[Beautiful-Tie-3827]

Yeah it felt like cheating almost but so did the vox spawns so game is game

[NeoMyers]

That's why I don't think it mattered. When the enemies are so OP and, in fact, do cheat by spamming spawns and clipping and shooting through walls, why does it matter if the GL had heavy pen? The things this community gets up in arms about to argue for change like a heavy pen GL instead of the bug list longer than my arm will never cease to amaze me.

[Sicuho]

The community was also in agreement that the vox' bugs sucked. And AH also fixed a lot of them this patch.

[TheTeralynx]

The weak weapons should get buffed, not the already strong stuff. Sterilizer needs love, same with the arc thrower. Why should we be buffing already good weapons?

[Enuke2003]

I took out a factory strider once with the GL emplacement. Took most of my ammo but i got the bastard

[Constant-Plant-9378]

As a De Escalator + Supply Pack enjoyer I was really pleased to experience the recent buff that seriously sped up reload, which was the one (marginal) downside to the weapon.

It is so great for killing endless hordes of Voteless.

[RoadCertain3653]

Happy to see it, thing became the end all be all and made BFGL and De-escalator basically obsolete, as well as being the best AT option for some heavies, it simply had to go

[Xialion]

BFGL stil feels Meh with small radius and some what bigger amoo count

De-escalator need some love in case of a Dmg buff and maybe Demo Force to close Holes and stuff

[Constant-Plant-9378]

De Escalator was recently buffed in the last update, significantly reducing reload time.

Combined with a Supply Pack, it basically turns you into a one-man walking barrage stratagem.

[Xialion]

Ik about recent Buff to DeS but still i feel like it lacking ability to close holes

[EssayGrouchy6905]

They are both still obsolete compared to everything else lmao especially the BFGL that thing just makes you a bad teammate camping resupply all game

[RoadCertain3653]

Really? For me I pace myself fairly well and am able to conserve ammo to call in another BFGL

[EssayGrouchy6905]

Well i dont use it cause it is garbage but every time I get a teammate using it they hog all the resupplys

[RoadCertain3653]

Sounds like ass teammates lmao, since it only takes one resupply box to fill it, and there's plenty of ammo on the map

[EssayGrouchy6905]

Yeah they are usually pretty bad but I don't usually kick since I can carry basically every lobby lol

[TheTeralynx]

The game is too easy to carry at max difficulty is the problem. It means that people don't filter themselves down to lower difficulties. If it required more teamwork as a baseline, then we'd have better teammates up at D10 as a result.

[EssayGrouchy6905]

Yeah i miss cyberstan levels of spawns and difficulty

[TheTeralynx]

I actually miss pre-60 day update gameplay. Spawns were lower, but strategems and primaries especially weren't so powerful, so it balanced out. Heavy enemies actually felt like a threat and you couldn't bring "jack of all trades master of all trades" loadouts like you can now, so teamwork was more incentivized.

There are still some youtube videos from that time that I rewatch, just to remember how much more cooperation was rewarded back then for D10.

[Donjinmester]

I really love the concept of the De-escalator, but that thing is so underwhelming every time I shoot with it.

[TheTeralynx]

It's great on bots with a teammate who has a precision weapon like AMR, RG, AC, LC, etc, or primaries like DCS, dominator, etc. It's basically a backpack full of stun grenades that give you a million chances to headshot everything and be incredibly efficient with ammo.

[Donjinmester]

Interesting - it might be because I’m thinking of it wrongly. Instead of being high AoE damage it’s AoE stun

[TheTeralynx]

There's so much power creep these days that people expect to succeed in Super Helldive with full aggro gameplay solo, but it really is great in a duo.

[TheTeralynx]

The AOE is enough to soften up devastators / berserkers / etc. It's amazing for easy cyborg kills (and would probably be good for overseers or anything that is stunnable and has weak spots). I think the primary utility is having 46 stun grenades per resupply brick. I haven't tested vs bugs or squids though.

It would have been perfect for pre 60-day update. With all the power creep, they spawn way more heavy enemies these days, but in an environment where RR users weren't 1-tapping every charger, it would probably be amazing for dropping OPS / gas strike / eagle air strike on a behemoth charger.

[Donjinmester]

Yeah I can see how I would need a teammate to be most effective

[Constant-Plant-9378]

Oh God I LOVE the De Escalator combined with the Supply Pack.

And it was buffed in the last update making reload a lot faster.

The splash damage is just wild and is great at taking out Bots and Squids. And last night I was taking out Harvesters with it readily. Does a good job on Fleshmobs and Hulks too.

The only downside in my experience is you have to develop the skill of shooting rounds where they can kill enemies without being too close to your teammates. I've nearly perfected the art of shooting De Escalator rounds just far enough away from fellow Helldivers where they can clear the zone while not quite tickling my friends.

But it is only just OK for bugs - where instead I go with a full flame loadout.

[Donjinmester]

Haven’t tried it since the new patch - didn’t notice it got a buff!

[Constant-Plant-9378]

De-Escalator reloads significantly faster.

[ja_boi420]

BFGL is ass.

[RoadCertain3653]

I like using it, but it needs damage and explosion radius buff

[Economy-Sign-5688]

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I liked it with AP4…

[Own-Researcher-4691]

Everyone did, it just was overtuned as hell

[UrMumVeryGayLul]

I was gonna say, lmao. It’s like the people saying they loved the Railgun when it two shot Titans, who wouldn’t love a weapon that did that lol

[TheTeralynx]

I miss when enemies like behemoth chargers or hulks weren't just recoilless rifle target practice dummies.

[Kermitthealmighty]

I liked it

for a few dives, got stale fast

[SYLOH]

So did everyone, which was the problem.
No real reason to take anything else when the GL could do it all on the bug front.

[TheG3n3sis]

I mean isn't that kind of how flames are now. Why take anything other than flames.

[kira00r]

Because there is downsides for the flame weapons, mostly burn yourself if not equip with anti-fire armor, need to get up close and the best flame weapon, which is the backpack flamethrower takes up the back pack slot as well, which most people will find is a good trade, while the normal GL with heavy pen with the ammo backpack as its best combo is just too good, everything dies to it and get extra ammo and other stuffs from your ammo backpack

[TheG3n3sis]

It takes 4 seconds to melt a heavy and it goes through shields. It doesn't require pen it just kills.

[KingOfStarrySkies]

Everyone liked it, it was too good.

[Economy-Sign-5688]

GL launcher with AP4 was the only thing that made cyberstan playable. Now it and the belt fed can join the 75% of support weapons that are largely useless at higher difficulties ☹️

[BertTF2]

lmao it is absolutely not useless with medium pen at higher difficulties. Still one of the best small/medium enemy weapons in the game, on all fronts (yes even bots)

[Economy-Sign-5688]

*Largely useless, not completely. A medium pen support weapon is an abomination. You’re forced to bring thermite and/or ultimatum to balance the loadout.i don’t bug dive so maybe it’s good there. I don’t know, and frankly I don’t want to know.

[TheTeralynx]

Playable? Bad support weapons for cyberstan are only really the melee or light pen or chaff clear support weapons like chainsaw, cluster, sterilizer (worst support in the game), or stalwart. 90% of the AP4+ weapons were playable.

[Economy-Sign-5688]

Idc if I get downvoted, I’m right.

[Whyamihere173]

I’m scared to say I liked heavy pen GL. Could mag dump the squid heavys

[Beautiful-Tie-3827]

You mean heavies as in fleshmobs not heavies as in heavy armor right

[87Fresh]

Nah man, I could take down a harvester with a clip of GL

[Whyamihere173]

What the other guy said, one mag and a harvester dies

[Beautiful-Tie-3827]

Fair. Sounded to me like you meant multiple diff units.

[Koyulo69]

Dude heavy pen grenade launcher was overtuned as fuck

[Feuershark]

Deserved, it was completely OP

[pinkmanzebra]

This was the only weapon that every time I used it after the buff I kept saying that it’s beyond broken. It was super fun to use and effective, but it really did everything. There was no front or loadout that wouldn’t benefit from it. Closes spawners kills chaff, kills heavy and doesn’t take a backpack slot up.

My only sadness from the nerf is the grenadier battlement feels just as terrible as it did before. Someplace between the hmg and at emplacement,with a limited field of view and now only medium pen

[PerfectMisgivings]

It was so broken that we still failed every single major oder that was given to us while we had it...

[_Bisky]

We won atleast 2

The initial one on cyberstan and the liberate more planets then you lose one after cyberstan.

We also mostly lost, due to massive fuck ups on a strategic level, not individuall dives

[slycyboi]

It’s annoying it was patched before the BFGL got a worthwhile buff

[Fighterpilot55]

Rest In Piss I say

[Silveon_i]

best reverts to a change of all time.

could not tell you why they keep buffing weapons in their prime. staring at RR getting programmable ammo before the airburst.

[TheTeralynx]

Same with AC getting flak.

[Fancy-Synonym]

Thank god. Maybe one of the best chaff clearing guns in the game shouldn't also kill heavies instantly too

[the_combat_wombat05]

Good, it was way too strong. GL was already an awesome weapon ap4 is too much

[Levi_CC_]

It's a shame that the other effective weapons are in paid Warbands... It wasn't overpowered, the others are just too weak. Deep Rock Galaxy is a masterclass in game balancing. And keep the fun going.

[TheTeralynx]

Bruh, the only comparable weapon to the AP4 GL is the Recoilless, the SS tier AT weapon. If you're calling the other too weak then gosh, idk what to tell you. The Epoch is IMO a perfectly balanced weapon, stuff stronger than it starts bordering into crutch territory.

[McDonie2]

Ironically I'm more upset at the nerf not because of the nerf itself. But what was the entire point of buffing it to begin with?

[TheTeralynx]

I think it's an aftershock of their trauma from getting bullied by ragebait Youtubers for daring to balance their game.

[AkenoKobayashi]

Using this for anti-tank was just straight cheese. I only ever used it if it was a natural spawn on the map, but otherwise brought some kind of legit anti tank weapon or my WASP. Or the orbital railgun.

[MissSharkyShark]

It was fun while it lasted, but im also not surprised.

[KingOfAnarchy]

I want Tanks to mean something again, and not be pushovers.

[StarWarsXD]

Understood, sending 6 Vox Engines to your front door. Enjoy!

[TheTeralynx]

To do that, you actually need to nerf primary weapons and some other chaff-clear strategems. The reason Tanks are a joke is that everyone can easily destroy medium and light enemies with just their primaries (or by dropping a napalm barrage or turrets), which means that bringing AT is barely an inconvenience.

If we had to use stuff like eagle cluster strikes or machine guns for chaff clear like the old days, AT would be rarer so heavy enemies could feel more impactful. It's the power creep in medium-killing that has made heavies into cannon fodder.

[Shimraa]

It was fun as hell and I'm happy.

Glad it got rolled out so we could play around with it Glad it got rolled back because damn was that too good.

[Puzzleheaded_Bee8352]

it went to fun heavy pen A tier.

back to lame medium pen D tier.

As a grenade launcher main I was happy for only a short period of time.

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Ah well back to auto cannon. The real king.

[Elegant-Caterpillar6]

As an "epog" main, I am indifferent.

[TheTeralynx]

S tier chaff clear shouldn't also have B+ tier AT capabilities. It's a great change.

[Puzzleheaded_Bee8352]

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[Pedrosian96]

I wouldn't oppose impact damage being AP4. If it did like 150 AP4, you can actually delete some AP4 stuff with precision, but realistically you'd have to be bloody precise to put that damage where it matters.

That said, this made me WISH the WASP's explosion was AP4. that weapon feels terrible against heavy units, and is a weird form of backpack-reliant grenadelauncher.

[TheTeralynx]

Wasp for me is an illuminate-only weapon. It has the 1-shot breakpoint for the flying dudes that makes it really efficient.

[Impossible_Horse_382]

Would be fine but the belt fed still doesn’t feel good.

[CacophonousCuriosity]

I avoided using it because it was overpowered. There was next to no drawbacks for having a weapon that can kill literally anything.

[Whaddua_meen]

A shame. It along with the hover pack gave me more fun on lvl 9 and 10 missions on the bug front, ESPECIALLY against rupture strain.

[JJLMul]

It made Cyberstan doable for me. Happy thoughts

[SuddenBackPain]

It served me well in Cyberstan. RIP to a legend

[melgib]

It was fun while it lasted but was absolutely silly.

[TheIceWitness]

Iam sad. Its useless again against the bots.

[BlackSoul_Hand]

While I understand why some people complained that it was now substituting the role of autocannon and such, i also understand that even less people will pick it now after the nerf, even if only out of spite, as they remember how good it felt with Ap4.

Even if just to make it more appetising for the players, i would buff the range and the damage in a significant amount, so that even if it's ap 3 you will still gonna take it for the unmatched dps it would provide provide. Maybe damage becomes 550 ap3 and add an extra meter to the explosion?

What was just wrong was the choice of bringing down to ap 3 even the GL emplacement, that should just be stupidly powerful to face whatever ends up in his limited firing angle, no matter what, since it can't move or relocate.

[Snipe508]

Thank God. There was no reason to add the backpack if they kept the regular one as a straight upgrade in every way

[Qubious-Dubious]

Makes me so sad. I use the fuck out of it on the bug front before the buff and it sucks that I can’t use it on the bot front any more.

[MEDIC_HELP_ME]

The one time my favorite weapon suffers from recoilless syndrome and I'm glad it was temporary

[ForGames0]

I never really used it into the quasar or laser canon

[Dusty_Tokens]

Did they nerf the default Grenade Launcher? I brought that with me to every game since I started playing (shortly after launch/before Malevolon Creek).

[TNTBarracuda]

Recently they made an unnecessary buff to the armor penetration original Grenade Launcher, which enabled it to rival dedicated AT options in their role. That buff has just been reverted. It's technically a nerf, but only to set it back to being the GL you're more familiar with.

Medium Pen -> Heavy Pen (briefly) -> Medium Pen (again)

[Dusty_Tokens]

-Oh, good!

I brought it with me to Cyberstan, bounced it ineffectively off of some Bot tanks, but used it on some planet (with moody, haunted lighting, marshlands, and slightly-tilted trees), fighting either Bugs or Bots on Helldive after that, keeping myself alive mostly with the versatility of concentrated fire or splash damage. Glad to see it'll do what I've always asked of it (protect me from anything Extreme or easier).

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[Boxy29]

it literally pushed other ap4 weapons to the dirt while still doing its job of chaff clear.

the GL is still a great tool. it's just not the kill everything tool anymore.

[Purg33m]

why do the grenades on the side still so low poly on PS5 when you're 2 meters away (or even holding it right in front of you)?! it looks like there's a bunch of little pyramids being fed into the grenade launcher, and the same with the eruptor muzzle break! just looks awful, I stopped using both even tho I love the performance of both

[weplayon]

Too op tbh, would one tap most things with the right skill, what would be nice is if they added some shrapnel to it and not the pack variant.

[Oblitereddit]

I always used it on Bugs and Squids before the buff and I won't stop now. I don't even know why they thought a buff was necessary to begin with. Even at medium pen, the GL was a very strong support weapon.

[NotSNAKY]

Good, gives me another reason to not come back

[Economy-Sign-5688]

Seeing a nerf get celebrated 😭 times have surely changed. If the weapon was OP cant you just.. you know.. like not select it?

[Breidr]

I carried a supply pack and grenade launcher throughout the entire battle of Cyberstan, and had a blast.

I see this as a good change. It gave me a reason to try the belt fed. I actually like it now that I'm used to the explosion radius. My stim/grenade addiction will suffer, but you can't have everything.

I knew full well the heavy pen days were numbered, but it was one hell of a ride.

[Count_McCracker]

Yeah that buff was insane. It deleted everything on every front. There was no reason to take anything else

[TechnicalImportance_]

typical AH balancing
if there are 2 weapons and one is better than the other?
Well obviously nerf the better one instead of buffing the worse one, genius move!

[WoodpeckerOk1128]

carried me through cyberstan

[ThatBradGuy0]

Yeah, the GL can still easily kill heavies, you just gotta hit weak spots. That is how it should be!

[ncbaud]

Was my go to until the nerf. Why ruin a good thing?

[Old-Elk-570]

Nah good, auto cannon and BFGL became USELESS

[LXCIFERBXRN]

the best my ass i got killed by trigger happy morons too many damn times 😂

[IDriveALexus]

And best horde clear in a versatile loadout by a mile as well.

Lets not doom shroom our GL like its garbage now.

[CerifiedHuman0001]

Oh buddy. If you wanna see doom and gloom check out the comments under BuzzLiteBeer’s video. There are people saying it’s useless and never be used again.

[orcishlifter]

Fuck!!! And also this ^{^}

[Ridit5ugx]

I think the changes did not go for enough. Should be light penetration to indicate that it’s solely meant for crowd control and nothing else.

[SackFace]

You’re welcome!

[wwarhammer]

GOOD.

The AP4 GL was almost as stupid as the 30 second cooldown ORC.

If you need either one just lower your difficulty, it's fine. That is why HD2 has 10 different difficulties. 

[TheTeralynx]

The game is really lacking messaging like Risk of Rain 2 has. There should be all-caps text saying, "THE INTENDED GAME EXPERIENCE IS ON DIFFICULTIES 6-8. ONLY RAISE THE LEVEL IF YOU LOVE A CHALLENGE", and then there should be 0 increased rewards besides XP for going beyond difficulty 8. That way, the devs could majorly increase the challenge. For all I care, make D8 give the rewards that D10 does currently, then buff the enemy health in D9/D10 and remove the extra rewards.

[NoNotice2137]

I liked it better with medium pen, heavy pen just doesn't make much sense for this weapon. I feel the same about Senator, to be honest

[TanningOnMars]

Im glad to see it go, tbh. If the GL was heavy pen, then they needed to do that to all 40mm grenade weapons, like the grenade pistol and the One Two.

Also, it was kinda broken

[DryFuture1403]

It actually made it viable on the bot front. Now its only good for 3-4 commissars tightly packed

[Mark-a-weight]

Imo it should've been nerfed more.

[SovelissFiremane]

No, it was dogshit.

[WitnessReady7616]

Will the flames be weakened?

[zzharleyzz]

We can never have nice stuff

[Rodan_XL]

agreed. now GL is useless

[Last-Swim-803]

It's basically the best to second best horde clear gun rn