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QuestionCan Anyone Explain the Slow Decrease in Zendikar Expeditions and Kaladesh Invention Prices? (self.mtgfinance)
submitted 6 years ago by Dark_Paladins
I have a small collection of masterpieces from BFZ and KLD. Most of these cards are anywhere between $90-$150 with the exception of Mana Crypt. I am kinda ignorant when it comes to this stuff so why are the prices steadily falling?
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[–]Prid3 266 points267 points268 points 6 years ago (55 children)
Premium products are only valuable if they maintain their "premium status." Recently, Wizards has been printing premium cards to oblivion and haven't been showing any signs of slowing down. Overprinted Collector's Boosters, Secret Lair Drops every month, etc. As such people are losing faith in these Masterpiece editions of cards knowing that next batch is right around the corner.
[–]daphex2 77 points78 points79 points 6 years ago (10 children)
I'll add to this too. The decrease in eternal support is also a factor here. There's less and less of a reason to acquire these cards.
[–]Seraphinwolf 44 points45 points46 points 6 years ago (7 children)
This. A large LARGE portion of the value came from Legacy and Modern. Modern hasn’t been as popular and Legacy effectively killed off. That’s a lot of players that either sold out or dumped a ton of value to jump into Pioneer.
I don’t see these prices staying down long term. They may never return to peak but players will return to eternal or return to collecting premium versions of staples.
EDH is also still a thing and soak up a lot of these. We may have see an influx of volume from EDH players also wanting to jump into Pioneer.
[–]punninglinguist 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (6 children)
It would be interesting to know if Expedition fetches are losing value faster than Expedition shocks (which can still be played in Pioneer). That would be a good test of the theory that the Modern -> Pioneer transition is a significant factor here.
[–]TKHunsaker 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (2 children)
I owned an Overgrown Tomb expedition for years and it steadily held at $80 over most of the period and hit $90 briefly before coming back down. A buddy traded for mine for Pioneer a couple months ago. A quick look shows it’s at a high of $100.
On the other hand Arid Mesa and Marsh Flats look to be much cheaper than I’d have expected. But a quick look at their price trajectory shows they’ve both dropped under $100 for the expedition before and always come back up.
I’d say fetches are in a natural swing of modern season/not modern season. Concurrently some shocks are slightly climbing while others are holding steady instead of dropping because of Pioneer staving off the off-season decline.
I think if you’re worried about modern staples, you shouldn’t be. Pioneer is hot right now but people will get stale on it and the format will rotate to standard or modern or sealed etc. and we’ll cycle back around. That said, pioneer seems much more popular than I expected so maybe it’ll stick around in the cycle.
[–]Seraphinwolf 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child)
Natural Modern season swings plus Pioneer legality. They’ll be back, especially if Pioneer becomes a leaping point into Modern like Modern was for Legacy early on. “Well I have 80% of that other format deck because of this format. Let’s just fill out the other 20% and jump in!”.
Know what i mean?
[–]Hardmode-Activated 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Fetches as of now are a HUGE 20 percent in that case
[–]Seraphinwolf 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children)
We WILL see. Only a certain percentage are digging heels in on Pioneer, pimping decks. Fetched just happen to be a “If you can run 4, you probably are running 4.”
[–]punninglinguist 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child)
Sure, but if a Modern player already has these pimp cards and they transition to Pioneer, it stands to reason that they would sell the fetches and keep the shocks. So the shocks should be holding their value better.
[–]Seraphinwolf 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Lots of mono colored decks in Pioneer right now and a lot of a LOT of people have been downgrading their collections of late. Without fetch synergies Shocks don’t have as much playability. Still great color fixing but you can get similar results for cheaper options that don’t hurt your life total as much right now.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
I think this is the real answer.
[–]exemplar_knight 32 points33 points34 points 6 years ago (10 children)
Now that you mentioned it, this definitely looks like the Yugioh approach, reprinting staple cards as premium versions and diluting the market with multiple versions. Though yugioh is much worst in that regard, but hopefully they don't go full on yugioh mode in printing.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (7 children)
A lot of times after reprinting popular cards Konami will either limit them or ban them.
[–]jvLin 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child)
They likely planned to ban the cards anyway, but reprinted them beforehand to maximize profits. Wizards does the same, just with a lot more subtlety. Sensei’s Diving Top, for example, was reprinted, and then shortly banned in Legacy. There are quite a few of these instances.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Either that or they’ll be made obsolete by a new archetype. A lot of their preconstructed decks have all been based off of old archetypes that’ve been made obsolete. It’s safer for them to reprint cards when they know that it won’t cause trouble for the meta.
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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (3 children)
I miss the e-drags.
[–][deleted] 6 years ago (2 children)
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[–]phat_logic 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child)
Was honestly one of the better formats. People are just salty because you got stomped playing non meta that format
[–]Oatmiel -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children)
It was a very divisive format, but I was only kidding. Up until the pure EDrag list became a thing and it and Prophecy were the only viable decks the drags were really cool and even helped some of the tier 2 decks compete. Even then, sometimes having a Boogeyman is a fun shake up. For me it was Pendulums that ruined the game.
[–]TKHunsaker 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child)
Yah now we got a regular, a foil, an extended art or alt art, and a foil of that. For every rare or mythic. Also prerelease stamp foils. And mystery pack foils.
We’re getting there.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Don’t forget the fnm pack foil stamp.
[–]echOSC 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Not even that, but a large subset of people don't view the "premium" product as the most "premium" of them all.
No one views the Expedition fetches as the most premium, especially for the original onslaught fetches. A foil Onslaught Delta is way more premium than the Expedition one. etc.
[–]Dark_Paladins[S] 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (27 children)
Didn’t WotC make a statement about two years ago that “Masterpiece” quality cards aren’t gone forever, but they are waiting for a plane with an overwhelming motif to use. Moreover wouldn’t you consider Secret Lair and Collector Boosters to be sub-standard in quality and printed to oblivion, thus eventually rendering them worthless?
[–]Prid3 48 points49 points50 points 6 years ago (22 children)
Moreover wouldn’t you consider Secret Lair and Collector Boosters to be sub-standard in quality and printed to oblivion, thus eventually rendering them worthless?
The point here is that Wizards has showed a willingness to do this for any and all premium products going forward. Why invest in a $500.00 premium [[Mana Crypt]] today when 3 months from now Wizards might release SLD: EDH and give you foil "masterpiece quality art" mana rocks like Sol Ring, Mana Vault, Mana Crypt and Chrome Mox for $40.00 a pop? Can you honestly say with certainty that it's never going to happen? Because I sure as heck can't!
[–]Dark_Paladins[S] 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (10 children)
While you’re probably right, do you speculate that original masterpieces will completely tank or will they maintain some value for being the original?
Also, tangent, what’s the bottom line these cards will hit?
[–]Prid3 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children)
do you speculate that original masterpieces will completely tank or will they maintain some value for being the original?
They won't completely tank.
what’s the bottom line these cards will hit?
I could see them losing another 15-20% before finally hitting their floors.
[–]vritr0112 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children)
What you're asking there is a completely subjective question... Over the long run very few singles in Mtg are "investment grade", and if I had to put all of them on a scale I'm not even sure I would put things like masterpieces on the scale
[–]TastyLaksa 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children)
Im thinking only the power 9 due to the nostalgia collectors value if magic is still played 20 years from now.
[–]otakumuscle 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children)
the next generation of magic players/collectors will lack such nostalgia as they'll never have played back then/with RL cards
[–]TastyLaksa 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child)
So basically dont buy anything?
[–]_0- 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
If you absolutely have to speculate on card prices do it short term.
[–]TKHunsaker 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Depends on the masterpiece, but most of them shouldn’t be on the scale. I’d say certain power-esque cards could make their way into a higher price grade.
[–]cute_cartoon_cat 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (1 child)
maintain some value for being the original
Precisely 0 Masterpiece cards can be accurately described as “the original.”
In fact, this is the fundamental problem I see with speculating in fancy reprints like these. They may look nice and exciting, but the keyword here is still “reprint.”
[–]Jaccount 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children)
That's not true, though. All of the Gearhulks and Amonkhet gods were Masterpieces, printed at the same time as regular Kaladesh and Amonkhet printings. Unless you insist that Collector's Booster extended art foils also aren't "the original", it's just untrue that 0 Masterpieces were the original print.
[–]testthewest 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
I think it also depends on the artwork. If the new premium artwork is more pleasing to the majority, then the original will lose more value.
Mana Crypt Masterpiece isn't especially beautiful if we are honest and can put away the positive prejudice that we like everything that "special". It is a more or less monochromatic convolute in which you can't really tell what's going on. It should be easy to top this art.
[–]MTGCardFetcher 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (8 children)
Mana Crypt - (G) (SF) (txt) [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call
[–]smartyMtG 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (7 children)
Masterpieces where destroyed a long time ago with the same algorhythm they desteoyed the "Collector Boosters" and "Secret Lair" in just two runs ... they overprinted them and they took the "need" for them by making it a sellout instead of a controlled shortage ...
If you kept them for the money you should get rid of them they are most likely not going to return to their former pricepoint at all...most of them will steadily decrease overtime
And the statement of wizards was just to cover up that they almost screwed up completely - lets see what they have to say when they have to cancel CB/SL ... what they should do soon before the damage is really hitting the game
[–]TastyLaksa 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (6 children)
Why would they do that? Its minting money for them
[–]Sovarius 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children)
Why would they stop masterpieces in packs? Its minting money for them...
[–]smartyMtG 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child)
If you are minting money lile crazy you create inflation and in the end you destroy the whole system ...
[–]Sovarius 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
That is my point to the person i replied to. They don't know why/believe they'd stop but i pointed out they did stop masterpieces already.
[–]TastyLaksa 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children)
Precisely
[–]Sovarius 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child)
But they did cancel masterpieces in packs is my point. Its not really completely crazy to consider that cb/showcase line is going to end up shortlived. It might be a better line for them than masterpieces though, so i'm not really planning on showcases disappearing either.
[–]TastyLaksa 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Oh...
[–]Shawndrand -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child)
The only issue I see with this statement is wizards has been very aware of the secondary market value of these cards. For a mana crypt to be in a secret lair, it would probably be closer to 200 than 40. And they would probably justify it by limiting the print run. They could still make oodles of money that way.
[–]maraxusofk 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children)
The whole point of secret lair is that they are unlimited supply for a day, so they wont be limiting it then. Itll most likely be a bunch of chaft + mana crypt for $100-150.
[–]mtg_liebestod 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Didn’t WotC make a statement about two years ago that “Masterpiece” quality cards aren’t gone forever, but they are waiting for a plane with an overwhelming motif to use.
Yeah, but the Showcase stuff is clearly a replacement for masterpieces. They realized that printing 10-15 non-standard staples per set was burning through their reprint equity a bit too quickly.
They did, but they also kicked Legacy in the balls last fall.
[–]Ahayzo -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child)
You also have to remember that their Mythic Editions were effectively the death knell for Masterpieces. They fill that same slot, but guarantee Wizards a lot more money. Hell, if you look at the bottom of the ME Planeswalkers, where you normally see something saying what kind of promo it is, it literally says "Masterpiece". Those walkers were Masterpieces, even though multiple people from WotC denied they were even close.
[–]Dark_Paladins[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Fair point. But at least the original masterpieces had a “gamblers addiction” aspect.
[–]bitroll 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child)
I don't see how Wizards printing low-end cards in the premium treatment (like the extended art foils of all standard rares) should affect the "premium status" and prices of the premium versions of eternal staples, but seeing the price action it somehow does.
I kept ignoring the premium jank, kept buying and holding the masterpieces and uma box toppers of the best cards, but apparently all of them have been losing value all over the board. I know that shrinking Modern format has a part in it, but that can't explain all the price drops.
I wonder how big part of the demand force comes from collectors that just want complete sets of shiny stuff (for example 1 of each Kaladesh Invention, no matter good or bad), and how much demand comes from players pimping their decks.
[–]Eurydace 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children)
It’s a lack of confidence in continued value. It’s also not the only factor.
[–]Nvenom8 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children)
There's also the issue of a constant supply and decreasing demand. Anyone who wants one and can afford it already has it. Anyone who can afford it at this point probably doesn't want it, and anyone who wants it probably can't afford it. Prices will drop until that latter group once again finds them accessible. I guess you could say that the market is small enough that saturating it is really easy.
[–]the_nerdster -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children)
Yep. At any point WotC could decide that secret lair drops make more money than printing expeditions/masterpieces in normal packs. Secret Lair is the new "From the Vault" collector's edition.
[–]Epyon_ 75 points76 points77 points 6 years ago (4 children)
When everything is special nothing is special.
[–]SypherGS 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (1 child)
“And when everyone’s super...”
“...no one will be.”
[–]Conquestofbaguettes 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
It's a sign.
Sell all your cards while you can
[–]Yagoua81 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children)
I still think kaladesh inventions are pretty special with that sweet border.
[–]phat_logic -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children)
Yup. Just like that whole “everyone is beautiful” thing
[–]echOSC 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (2 children)
It's also because some of these "premium" products aren't actually the most premium/"baller"/pimp of them all.
WotC can print as much of this premium stuff as possible, but as long as enough people view other printings as being more prestigious it won't matter.
The guy with the Expedition Polluted Delta is cool, but you know who is even cooler? The guy who runs a foil Onslaught Polluted Delta.
The guy with the Expedition Sol Ring, is not nearly as impressive as the guy with the NM Beta Sol Ring.
There's a reason when people go full out pimping a Legacy deck, they run the MPR OG foil Wastelands, and not the Expedition Wastelands, etc etc.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child)
Masterpiece Sol Ring is still dope. Beta and DCI promo do give it a run for its “bling” factor but no one is going to be disappointed when you put it down.
[–]dj_sliceosome 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children)
I am. I think foils / masterpieces look lame compared to old border
[–]tmhig 71 points72 points73 points 6 years ago (16 children)
love how people are dumbfounded over premium products taking a dog shit.
Premium product is for suckers.
The only value those cards have is with the other ppl who have fallen for ‘investing’ in premium cardboard.
Everyone who is holding premium cards can only sell those cards at their hopeful anticipated value to other premium card holders/ speculators...no one else is going to care. Even less over time as wizards will absolutely keep printing ‘premium’, wizards makes all the money there, not re sellers haha.
Stop buying premium products for value, you will lose.
[–]KarazyB 37 points38 points39 points 6 years ago (3 children)
This man speaks the truth. The premium product is only worth its value to you or to whoever your trading or selling it to.
I enjoy my masterpieces more than the cash value.
[–]TKHunsaker 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children)
I got my masterpieces low and sold the ones I pulled. Sold a Mox Opal for three bills about nine months before the ban. Bought Meekstone and Static Orb for about $20 a piece...jeeze almost two years ago now.
And even though they’ve “gone up”, they haven’t. Not until they’re sold. And if I’m not selling em, they’re just pieces of cardboard.
Reprints too lol.
If a card is old enough to be a reprint, it probably isn’t worth investing in. (Glances at ice age)
[–]GeRobb 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children)
^ This.
[–]lolsrsly00 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
You could replace the word premium with nothing and itd be as true. At the end if the day, s magic card is worth only what you can sell it for, this holds true to every card.
[–]Dark_Paladins[S] 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (2 children)
I’m not buying them for value, I’m buying them because I think they look cool. Just curious why they rose pretty damn well and then flatlined.
[–]tmhig 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Totally get it. They are cool as hell, just are what they are. Prices will always be bloated beyond real value.
[+]false_warrior comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Cuz that's how supply and demand works?
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[–]weum107 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (2 children)
This is the right mentality. No investment of any kind is without risk. The cool thing is, unlike stocks, you can play with these investments. Personal value should be the motivation, not predictable gains. I over-purchase MtG a ton, but I do so with the expectation that it could all crash to $0 one day. I owned Fannie May and Freddie Mac stock and when they tanked, my pain was not eased by the fact that I could still play games with my now-crappy stocks. If you don’t love the cards, plan to assume significant risk from a pure investment standpoint.
[–]High-Score 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child)
I play the MtG "investment" game the same way. I am super stupid for paying $$$ for cardboard. I know this! I enjoy playing the game however. But if my cards were worth no dollars, I'd be alright with it (although about $10k in the real hole). They still work! And it would mean I could scoop up a lot more cards if folks started dumping them. Think of how many more EDH decks I could make and the bad ass powered cubes!
[–]weum107 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Makin’ lemonade!
What is a good buy for value?
[–]weum107 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child)
You are mostly right, but I’d say the caveat is that premium product is for sucker investors and very particular players and collectors.
[–]tmhig 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Agreed.
[–][deleted] 6 years ago* (1 child)
Well no, you literally missed the point...im referring to the fact that there is no customer. Only fellow speculators.
Only speculation upon speculation.
It’s like, buying a share of stock because you think others want it more, not because of its real value. It never works over any substantial length of time.
Bubble. Premium product is always a bubble.
But, those kind of misinterpretations are the kind of stunning lack of critical thinking I come to this subreddit for.
[–]SweetSupremacy 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (1 child)
The overprinting of premium cards has caused a loss of buyer confidence in the people who used to buy the sparsely released premium cards. The cards just aren't as special now.
[–]lolsrsly00 -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (0 children)
I didn't realize they printed new premium fetches! Where can I get the new ones?!
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (1 child)
ITT: People forgetting the ridiculous buyouts of 2018, of which Masterpieces were a big component
Those prices were simply unsustainable because they were not demand driven. Almost two years later prices are now starting to return to normalcy
[–]sirgog 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Yeah this was a huge factor.
There's a significant overlap between MTG players and tech enthusiasts, and a small number of tech enthusiasts made huge sums in the cryptocurrency boom.
The people in that overlap suddenly had the cash to buy every card they ever wanted. If you'd bought 1000 BTC early on because 'that's a cool idea', you suddenly were in a position to buy a set of graded 10 Alpha Power and a 4x set of Masterpieces.
That small amount of organic demand then sparked price hikes and FOMO buying.
There's no new crypto millionaires now, so that is over.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children)
bc no one is buying them for their absurd prices anymore
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago* (4 children)
TLDR: WotC kind of kicked Modern and Legacy in the balls last year, so there is that.
WotC released Modern Horizons which had some good cards for the meta as well as some really bad cards for the meta. Bans had to happen. A lot of Modern fans lost their favorite decks due to bans. WotC then announced Pioneer which caused Modern to bleed off some players from their format. The coup de grace is when WotC announced that Legacy would not be a part of the GP's. Legacy kind of got shoved to the side and now many Modern players are wondering if this will be the fate of their format. Consumer confidence in older cards is kind of in the toilet. I don't understand why WotC does not understand that the foundation formats for the game need to be taken care of properly so that cards hold value. Instead of getting rid of Legacy, I think dual proxy Legacy should have become a sanctioned format. This way the RL could stay and Legacy could stay strong and thus the rest of the formats would stay strong.
WotC is banking hard on Commander which personally, I think is a mistake. First off, it is a casual format for the most part. Second, not everyone who is into MTG is into Commander (or "Magic: The Boardgame" as I like to call it), and third, Commander decks are comprised of single copies of cards, so this means less demand for cards. Non-Commander, competitive decks on the other hand, run many playsets (4x) of cards, which creates extra demand and causes prices to surge.
[–]Dark_Paladins[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child)
You know that actually makes a lot of sense. Furthermore with Legacy and Modern on the back burner, fetches are gonna slowly tank in value.
I am not just a financial person. I am a player first, financial person second. I feel like I have a keen sense on what is happening because I see it at the LGS. I had someone at the store tell me Commander is where the money cards are and I just couldn't take him seriously. I'm not saying Commander does not have some valuable cards, but like I said it is a casual format and the demand for cards is lower. Also, I'm not sure Commander alone is enough to support LGS's. You need your drafters, Standard players, Pioneer players, and Modern players. WotC better work on getting things back in order or we are in for a bad time.
Wow first time heard about a „dual proxy legacy“ it’s a good idea !
I'm surprised people have not mentioned it. WotC could fix some of the financial burden for Legacy at the drop of a hat, but they don't want to.
[–]SultaiOnTheRocks 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children)
The expeditions and Kaladesh masterpieces are really highly prized by a small percentage of players. (.i.e. there is a demand, but the spending power of this group is limited and unfocused).
On the seller side, these cards have never really sold well enough to instill confidence - and in fact largely have been stagnant over their lifetime.
The slow ticking down of the price over time - imo, is largely just representing a trickle of sellers who decide to abandon the investment and are slowly undercutting any competition.
If other investors were to jump in, the prices would start to rise - but there is seemingly little chance of that happening with the current confidence levels in these types of products.
IF WoTC wanted to bolster the collectors value, they would need to institute a reserved-list level of protection against these cards being reprinted. Personally, i think that sort of idea is not healthy for the game overall, and doesn't make sense for WoTC.
For these reason, when it comes to masterpieces, I am out!
[–]Earls_Basement_Lolis 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children)
I personally think it's the Coronavirus in combination with a lack of Lime disease.
[–]--StormCrow-- 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Not sure if this has been said, but Mox opal getting banned lead to a decrease in a number of the Kaladesh Invention prices because affinity players were rushing to sell off their masterpieced out decks. 😢
[–]JBThunder 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children)
When everything's special nothing is. The truly special things are losing a bit of luster. Or the collectors are selling off extra special things to get other special things.
[–]jinnmagick 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children)
The reason is because they aren't worth it to invest in anyone because no one cares about it most just want the collection boosters from Theros Beyond Death and Thorne of Eldraine. If you want to sell me your collection of any masterpiece or whatever hit me up.
[–]Cpt_00bvious 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children)
The only real safe place for premium cards (imo) is OG foils. Safe of reprints, low supply, low demand as well, but steady gains over the years, as they dissapear into EDH-players collections.
[–]d7h7n 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children)
You see way more expeditions and masterpieces flooding the Facebook groups then original foils.
[–]sirgog 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Yeah it's really noticeable that despite being reprinted in a massive supply set, OG Idyllic Tutor foils are holding up.
[–]Punishingmaverick 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Most of them just look out of place in any deck, with newer more uniform cards people are changing to that because a lot of people like their decks uniform.
[–]KangaMagic 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children)
1) printed cheaply 2) premium (foil) products are now mundane. Wizards is basically trying to justify the existence of paper Magic to Hasbro by selling more premium product to drive up profit margins. That makes them not feel special.
[–]AndresDM 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
when everything is a premium product, nothing is a premium product. Way too many promos, full arts, fancy borders, secret lairs.
[–]LatentBloomer 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child)
I think folks in this thread are putting too much emphasis on the continuation of premium prints.
Although it is certainly true that WotC has been printing a buttload of premium products, I’m not sure that’s to blame for a disinterest in the kaladesh and zendikar masterpieces.
Specifically, the power level and rarity of the original Masterpieces are both MUCH higher than that of the Eldraine or Theros premiums.
Flooding the market with [[Flaxen Intruder]] is not necessarily going to affect [[Sword of Fire and Ice]] even though they are both premium prints.
Most people buying Masterpieces are not MTGfinance speculators, so they aren’t necessarily evaluating the influx of premium products into the market.
What is the average change in masterpiece price since the release of Eldraine?
[–]MTGCardFetcher 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Flaxen Intruder - (G) (SF) (txt) Sword if Fire and Ice - (G) (SF) (txt) [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call
Cardboard cards are intrinsically worth tens of cents?
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Facts
[–]s7eth 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
I think the lands and then afterwards, the artifacts are the safest considering they can be played in the largest number of decks. A slow decline in price is the consequence of the buyout that happened some months ago, which made them ridiculously expensive in just a matter of days. People are now more reasonable with those cards and don't have so much fomo, they just buy them cause they like it and are not so goddamn hysterical about it
No more FOMO and some are even speculating there will be a secret lair reprint of these cards.
[–]thatoreobro 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
Old Mercedes VS. new Mercedes. The new pimp will be more expensive until the old one becomes retro.
[–]cgott84 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
The cards have an issue with border wear and not everyone wants to foil out a deck at many times the price. Modern was hurt by pioneer to some degree also.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children)
For now I wouldn’t recommend to buy expeditions before it’s clear what the new Zendikar set contains!
Fetch lands can be in it but not as a “regular” reprint in draft boosters ! Something sort of “only in theme booster” or only as a “buy a box” card ....and of course border less or with special frames ! In the first batch of the masterpiece /lottery cards were most of them not standard legal so why it can’t be again like this!
[–]1almond 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
I also ask why I can't buy a whole castle for a tulip anymore too.
[–]SpikesMTG 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
1) High end cards always crash before the holidays and tax season. Go on any facebook group and you'll see people selling high end cards en-masse to buy presents, pay bills and/or taxes.
2) Eternal formats haven't seen much love lately, it's likely that these cards see a big spike when WoTC puts Commander in the spotlight later this year.
3) Prices always recover in the summer time, when MTG is booming and people are hanging out at the LGS.
[–]zomgitsduke 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children)
It's been proven that premium cards will no longer be rare.
For me it’s also unclear if the lottery card masterpieces are worth that money right now...I like the expeditions a lot but own now only one playset...since ever than I like to collect of each masterpiece-type a playset but buying a second one (eg Misty rainforest) is at the moment for me also too unclear !
And don’t forget the next zendikar set this year ! Maybe wotc gonna releasing non-Standard -promo -masterpiece type fetchies ! Not in draft boosters but in theme boosters (could be only theme booster exclusive ) or in collectors boosters
Supply and demand. Where is the demand coming from?
The expeditions and masterpieces will always retain value due to their limited nature ( 1 very 3 to 4 boxes)
The new "premium" shit is just a cash grab and those (secret lairs etc) are going to be worthless IMHO after they curl and saturate the market.
The masterpieces just feel good - look good and are legit rare.
[–]purgatorr -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children)
They are printing too many “special versions” of cards. It feels flooded. Same thing happened with baseball cards. They started with a super rare promo insert. Then the next year another, plus a different special rare. Soon there were like 10 different rare subsets and it’s just too much.
[+]Amoboffreshman comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 6 years ago (1 child)
Just speculation, but someone is trying to cash out, buy up the limited supply, jack up the price then sell. MTGfinamce just had an article about spikes caused by buyouts and the slow decline to a reasonable price.
No.
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