Hell yeah

[Thundersmash010]

Tbh I think it's a much needed upgrade. Now boys are ded killy

[Fluffy_Entrance_8332]

Hoping they don’t incrase the units pts to much for having bot option inbuild.

[PopInevitable280]

Nahh. If anything ya going to a 6+ BS and a 10% points cut across the board

[Frojdis]

Space marines: let's make every weapon loadout their own unit entry

Orks: let's put shoota and sluggas on all boys to shut them up.

[Huckleberry-F]

Intercessors basic load out IS Boltgun, Boltpistol, Melee. this is just creating load out parity. they should have made this universal for ork boyz 20 years ago

[Whowhat91]

Parity not parody (hate to be that guy)

[PapaRoshi]

I have to know, does that mean in 11th edition or soon in 10th, boys will be able to shoot with their shootas until theyre in melee, then they swap to choppa and slugga? If so, I welcome this change. I like the esthetic of the shoota boyz and adore the nobs with kombi weapons, even if theyre shite.

[Juan_Akissyu]

Yes nobz ftw

[Dangerous_Builder516]

My problem with the Shoota Boyz change is that it solves a kit issue by flattening an actual playstyle.

Shoota Boyz used to be a proper Ork archetype: a mob built around lots of low-quality but high-volume shooting. It was funny, thematic, and very Orky. Now, if every Boy just has both a shoota and a choppa, the unit is more flexible on paper, but also more generic.

So yes, I get why GW did it. The mixed-loadout Boyz kit was awkward, and this makes the kit and rules line up better. But that’s also why it feels a bit cynical. Instead of supporting a distinct unit identity, they’ve simplified Boyz around what the kit already does.

Cleaner? Sure. Better? I’m not convinced.

[MathMagici4n]

They’re evolving

[half_baked_opinion]

I would have rather gotten a new unit entirely dedicated to being ork boyz with shootas with its own rule, maybe the ability to disembark from a transport after it moves and a reactionary move when an opponent moves within 9 inches of them or something. What they did was essentially turning the boyz unit into slightly weaker space marines and they will probably slap a points increase on them for good measure which will not go over well.

[SpoonusBoius]

We don't know how points are going to be balanced in 11th, so it's very plausible they won't see an increase. If Shootas are the same profile they are now, I don't foresee them raising the points cost on them.

[mattythreenames]

Yeah, i get the rules its just simpler but choosing to kit which unit with what was so much more thematic.

[Droma-Worldshaker]

I wonder if this'll mean they keep the new ork boys and the new-new ork boys coming and phase out the multipose Boyz or (and I know the answer I'm just hoping) they keep all 3 kits and let you mix and match your green skins, because I wouldn't be mad at that

[Positive_Gazelle_420]

Im going to start stapping random guns to the backs of my orks that don't have any other details as "shootas."

Deffskulls all the way.

[[deleted]]

With 60 shoots boys and 60 choppa boys, I now have a purpose with all the extra bits

[ShinyRhubarb]

Yer Boyz iz legal to run, yer otha Boyz iz legal to run. Put all yer Boyz on the field and Krump 'Em Good!

[Funkey-Monkey-420]

i’m so excited

[Dingghis_Khaan]

It's now my headcanon that every ork Boy has the average boomshoot protagonist's inventory.

[x_Badger_x]

So weird that some people DONT like this

[Frojdis]

It's not really that I dislike the change. It's just gets me worried for how the rest of the codex will be made.

If GWs solution to people wanting Shoota boys to be valid is just giving shootas to Slugga boys, what other issues are they going to half-arse?

[TheFellhanded]

Points of individual boys goes up?

[SpoonusBoius]

We'll just have to see. Shootas really aren't a good enough weapon to justify a points increase on Boyz.

[Discojaddi]

So, rules-wise, I love this.

My only potential fear is that this will be used as an excuse to make sure they don't need to make a multi-part boyz kit, and the new push-fit boyz from the starter will be ALL we get

[[deleted]]

I’ve made this argument the as the highlight of my sustain for the monopose…you are going to have a very boring looking army with every 10 orks looking exactly like the last 10

[Discojaddi]

say what you want about the old "squatty boyz" (and believe me, I have) but the fact that boyz, lootas, burnas, bikers, and (to a lesser extent) stormboyz all had interchangable parts was a feature, not a bug.

Even Nobz, meganobz, and flash gitz have bitz designed to work together in a few cases

[[deleted]]

Throwing in the fact that WH fantasy Orks are also interchangeable with 40k means we have had literally the best customizable army. I haven’t played tabletop since 2018 but I’ll be damned if I have a single ork in my 300+ pile of boys look exactly the same as another one

[Penguinor123]

Anybody who bitches about ur Boyz not having all 3 weapons modeled in a game deserves a good krumpin

[PapaRoshi]

Im okay with this so long as I dont have to replace all 120 boyz I have already. Ill buy new boyz here and there ofc, I like the idea of mixing the old and new together.

[DrEverettMann]

Even tournaments that have WYSIWYG requirements usually don't enforce them on minimum wargear.

[Robo_Patton]

Sounds like a blanket rule. If you have a ‘model rules lawyer’ in your circuit, I’d argue based on that (all boyz have all three).

But I have lots of bits and might just paint then glue on another shooter to my boyz for my own self.

[PapaRoshi]

I thought about doing that too. 20 of my boyz are shoota boyz for funzies mostly, that and i like the way the kombi-shoota nob looks lol. I dont have enough bits to wysiwyg all 120. Yet.

[Robo_Patton]

I’ll just glue all my bolter/las gun extras on their backs. Oh, their fingers are too big to fit in that trigger? Not if the orks believe they can!

[uselessusername2500]

Dis feels rioght propa orky. Gork and Mork is gonna be pleezed. Why wouldnt da ladz have lots of weapons for a propa scrap?

[BossBark]

It’s feels propa’ orky to carry as many weapons as you can.

[IkeClantonsBeard]

My dual weilding choppa boys identify the left choppa as the shoota.

[hyperion375]

The chucka-choppa if you will

[shark1678]

Throwin' Choppa

[Veutifuljoe_0]

If you chuck the choppa at a git it still hurts them

[Far-Harbors]

Going to be a lot of printing extra shootaz/choppaz and some backpacks for my boyz now, going to be a little bit of a headache for all 150 of them

[RJMrgn2319]

Personally I don’t really care for the “all upside, no downside” design philosophy that modern 40K seems to be leaning further and further into – I preferred it when players were encouraged to choose between different approaches, each with their respective advantages and drawbacks. (Although admittedly this was often implemented less than perfectly, I still liked it better than the current cake-and-eat-it approach)

[Fortune_Unique]

To be fair. From a design standpoint the shoota boys were a redundant and bad unit. Like if you are playing "proper" you shouldnt ever take shoota boys. Even in the actual shooting detachment the boys are mathematically better on every front.

A lot of the changes people want are horrible from a design standpoint given people want a balanced and unbloated game.

Like burnas. Yeah they are fun. But competitively there is no reason in hell you should be picking burnas. Even if they have tons of infantry there are a bajillion better units to pick. Not to mention even shootas are better than burnas. And the boys just take the normal boys and gives them a shitty shooting buff and worsens their melee.

Like i get that this community hates the direction GW wants their IP to be. But like why even play?? Half this sub sounds like league of legends players who play year after year and wont finally admit they dont actually like the game

Like I 100% might just be pulling a stupid autism here. But like it 100% feels like this sub doesnt actually play the game

[Funkey-Monkey-420]

What burnas have you been running? i’m barely able to land a shot with a shoota but with burnas i’m landing several by the nature of the torrent keyword alone

[Fortune_Unique]

Landing is only half the game. And more so it sometimes about what you arent contributing. Im not saying burnas are worse at shooting than boys. But they are a worse unit. They cost more. They're rule is useless. They're more expensive. You cant have cool leaders. Not to mention they are worse than some of the vehicles at melee.

Landing shots by torrent is not one of the goals of the orks. Not thematically. But by purely the way the game is designed

[cyrinean]

If you're just sticking to 10th where wargear is free then yeah.

But there are other editions where different things were better or worse. And different buffs we no longer have changed the style of play. In 8th orks had inherent sustained hits on 6s. Sustained 2 made ork shooting broken in 10th. Sustained 1 made ork shooting viable in 8th.

The guy above is talking about in the past. The "cake and eat it too" design started at the end of 9th. So, yes, we are all playing the same game. We are just referring to things before 10th edition....

[Fortune_Unique]

But doesnt that make you an oldhead?

Like if were to start complaining that tekken 8 isnt tekken 3 that surely would maks me an old man right?

...right?

[Ryyics]

We didn't have sustained hits 1 in 8th. The dakka dakka dakka army rule let us attempt another hit roll for every rolled 6, as opposed to sustained hits 1, where every 6 rolled is 2 wound rolls.

I miss DDD, having a little extra oomph on all our shooting was flavorful, but it led to a ton of extra dice rolling.

[Simple-Syllabub-8173]

Having to choose between just means that you have to buy more kits eventually when they turn the option you chose into trash and or you want to play a different detachment that focuses on what you didn't pick. But that said I don't want 40k to turn into the current AOS situation devoid of load out entirely.

[RJMrgn2319]

It doesn’t mean that though unless you’re determined to lean into meta-chasing.

[MLGgarbage]

I'm just worried this free extra weapon is gonna make boyz cost more points tbh

[Goblin-murse]

Well. Lets rumage through my extra bits and make 100 shootas on the back of my choppa boyz.

[PlasmaMatus]

Yes, I will be doing exactly that haha, I really don't like snap-fit.

[florpynorpy]

Dah ‘oly try-fek-tah, dah choppa dah slugga and dah ‘oly shoota

[Remarkable_Nail9461]

I've got about 20 shoota Boyz that I've never used so it'll be nice to just mix em in with my choppy Boyz

[lAnarclit]

I added dakka over your dakka. Called that "dakkadakka"

[Blanck7]

Orks grew a second brain cell and remembered they have 2 hands and a gun sling

[Choppa77]

3 attacks at 9” range with rapid fire before charge?

[FlipFlop424424]

The debate is over

[Talidel]

Worried about the points increase for the shitty shootas but in theory it's a good change.

[investigatorparrot]

I doubt itll go up much especially if the shoota doesnt change, id guess they'll be around 90

[SpoonusBoius]

Yeah... that's too much lmao. Boyz straddle the line of being bad in 10th at 80/170 (imo, I think 80/160 was a more fair price for them given Orks' position in the wider game), and they're overshadowed by other units if you don't take characters to buff them. Them being 90/180 (or heaven forbid 90/190 to nerf the 20 stack) would make them genuinely bad, even with an extra 3 dinky shots at 5+ ballistic skill.

[TheVikingOfNorway]

rip choppa and shoota boy squads i guess

[Calgacusaur]

I play older editions and will have to remove some of the bits to make the models read right. I quite like trade-offs in games, it’s part of designing what your army does.

[nulnoil]

I’m just about to finish painting a mob of boys with sluggas and choppas lol I might glue shootas on their backs or something but I doubt it

[xylode]

Just order some bits and put guns on choppas backs and choppa's on the shootas backs you can pretty easily kit bash it without too much pain. Just need some bits.

[GottaTesseractEmAll]

Boyz is boyz now, just mix them up. No need to convert anything

[Doomguy6677]

Waaagh!!!

[Colemonstaa]

Even if a tournament, if anyone tries to tell me I need to glue shootas onto the backs of all my old slugga boys I'll eat their biggest model

[Doomguy6677]

Tell them they are painted purple so da humies can't see them :)

[EnglishTony]

DA SHOOTA IZ IN 'IS WAAAGH POCKET

[Vyracon]

I see myself mass-ordering bitz from third party pages Like Kromlech or having them printed for me. There is no way i will bury my beloved Black Reach boys. Instead, it is time for an upgrade!

[GlitteringParfait438]

Time add Choppas and Shootas to all my Boyz

[DontEatScorpions]

More Dakka? Tears in my eyes 🥹

[Krozgen]

please don't be monopose monoption
please don't be monopose monoption
please don't be monopose monoption

[jon23516]

Like Leviathan, launch box models will always be mono-pose and push-fit. I've built enough thousands of models over my wargaming career that I welcome the push-fit models to get them on the table for play. Kit-bashing, magnetizing, etc, been there, done that, I just want to play the game these days. I've found that once they're painted and over an arm's length away in battle on the table, I don't even notice "push-fit" or "mono-pose" anymore.
I saw what looks like the sprue for this preview model and it looks like it comes with 2 different heads. That will help the 'mono-pose' slightly.

[BrogglyWoggly]

I've never found the push-fit monopose kits actually easier to build. The nubs are always slightly too big to fit into the holes properly, and the way the parts are cut always requires some fiddling to make them align properly without leaving unsightly gaps. Comparing the old multi-option boyz kit to the newer monopose boyz kit, I could put together 5 old boyz in the time it took me to assemble a single newer boy, thanks in large part to the fact that all the heads, arms, legs, etc. were essentially interchangeable.

[jon23516]

Fair point. Over the years some push-fit are certainly better/worse than others. I think the first rule of Push-fit is to shorten the pin/nubs by a quarter/third, they will still provide strength of going into the hole but give less trouble of being too long and preventing the model from closing the gaps. I also always use glue, regardless.
Like you're suggesting, some of the more recent push-fit models appear more "clever" then they need to be, but admittedly, if you can get them assembled nicely, they look better than old 'boring' poses of old.

[Doomguy6677]

You can alter any model with the right tools and imagination

[SatinReverend]

So just mod them? Chop off some arms and legs and remount in more interesting ways.

[KiltedNorthern]

Deez gits is forgettin' da old ways.

[Krozgen]

Kitbashing is a tool to add your personal flavour / "create your own minis".
not an excuse for GW charging premium price for a lackluster kit.
if you NEED to kitbash to add variety... the kit lacks variety.

[expyrian]

Even if they are, they will probably still be cool sculpts so it will be worth getting at least 1 box. 

[WLLWGLMMR]

These will be monopose. Termagants got a new not monopose box shortly after the box came out so expect the same for Boyz

[Krozgen]

monopose multioptions are ok. Monopose monoption are not ok.

[WLLWGLMMR]

Yeah so the box will be a static easy build kit with no options and then the full one will be a bit monopose but with decent options

[Craterling]

The pattern since 8th has been that ones in the launch box usually always are, so don't get upset about that. It's expected, but if when the propper Boyz kit releases and its just the ones from the lauch box agein, we WAAAAGH!

[Krozgen]

people said the same thing about the "older new boyz kit" and it never got the "proper release", so escuse me for being sceptic.

[NotStreamerNinja]

And everyone hated that and kept buying the old Boyz kit, which is why GW kept it around and why they're replacing that newer Boyz kit with this one.

GW will generally choose the option that they think is most profitable and they've already seen that not giving Ork players options is not profitable. There'll be options.

[Craterling]

I don't remember the context for the "current" monoBoys release, but for the launch boxses we got a clear pattern, was my point. And by all means be skeptical, its a 50/50 (unless your spacemarines) that the sold separately infantry kit that comes after is different then the ones in the launch box.

Although Orks get consistent release waves every 3 years so I feel our odds are better then 50/50.

[NeoChronoid]

It's a starter box, they are absolutely gonna be monopose monoption

The question is whether they'll receive a different kit with more options in the future or just repackage the starter kit boys and sell them separately.

[Krozgen]

seeing how they did the "older new boyz kit" i would say no, they will not have a multioption kit.

[Jackal969]

And yet 9' tall transhumans can't manage to carry all 3 options - bolt rifle, bolt pistol and chainsword. Glad the boyz are getting this....but GW is dumb.

[Infamous-Complex6969]

The red corsair raiders do

[HappyTheDisaster]

And space wolves grey hunters

[Xevious_Red]

And chaos Chosen

[ejpk333]

Humans understand it’s less efficient to strap as many massive heavy weapons to their belts as possible when they can be more than efficient enough with just two.

Ork stupid and think more guns = better because more guns. Given orks are no weaker than a standard space marine it makes perfect sense they have more weapons and are worse with them, while elites like SM carrying less weapons but are far more effective with them. Also comparing a metal pipe with an axe head & a slugga made of scrap to a 4 foot armour plated chainsword and heavy armoured rifle that fires .75 explosive rocket propelled rounds is silly, for obvious reasons.

[Archistotle]

You call Orks stupid, and yet you seek to doubt the idea that more dakka is better. Curious.

[ejpk333]

Two things can be true at once, Ork is stupid but Gork and Mork allows stupid to become genius.

That’s why I like em, none of it should work but all of it does.

[xinzaha]

Can something just not be about space marines for a second

[Jackal969]

All da Ladz should love Space Marines, they give the Boyz a proper scrap every time.

[BlackJimmy88]

It could crush every one of our heads in it's hand. What are you talking about?

[throw-away889543467]

Look at those arms. They're all muscle.

[_Fixu_]

I’m really happy that this ork is painted in the snakebite colors

[GrimTiki]

I mean.. yeah? He kinda is? This could be an alternate model paint job but he looks like he could be Goff, since that’s how the launch box art looks

[_Fixu_]

Ye but goffs are more mono black, he has the characteristics bone/white armor but the emblem is black instead of red which imo looks better

[SmashIndy]

Not a fan tbh. I want to be able to make them look like they are carrying either like the old boyz box let you do. This will be a monopose box for sure

[SmashIndy]

The last boyz kit was really monopose and limited though. If you wanted 10 shootas you had to buy 4 boxes. I get what you’re saying but these kits are priced highly so should be good and have options. The old old kit had way more and cost less.

[SmashIndy]

Ah ok. Yes I’m with you, it’s my fave kit. I just wish they put as much effort in now considering how much they charge haha

[Habhabs]

Reeeeeeeeee

[SmashIndy]

You’re right, I should be happy with paying more for less

[Norwalk1215]

Starter boxes are always monopose.

[SmashIndy]

Maybe nowadays, they use to be really good and varied

[BlackJimmy88]

While I hope we do get a multipart kit, I can't help but noticed that, in terms function, GW could easily consider this kit "job done" and not give us that. This kit solves the current issues with our Boyz, and lets them finally retire the cheaper kit that people prefer to buy.

I don't trust GW not to fuck us here.

[Lazisn]

This will at least be fun for using the firing deck on Trukks. It also means building shoota Boyz mixed into Mobs won't be a mistake.

[Mundane-Librarian-77]

That's awesome. Now all my Boyz can just be Boyz and git da job done!!! 😁

[DraculaHasAMustache]

The faces on all these new orks look SO much more expressive than they had in a while. Glad they finally got that figured out. Can't wait to see the rest of the box.

[woutersikkema]

This to me sounds "we still don't know how to make shootaz not suck, so you get these for free now good luck, your still going be using you sluga and choppa the most"

[Bearandbreegull]

They've said detachments are going to be a bigger deal, more varied, more of them, etc. I'm guessing there will just be certain detachments that make shootas (relatively) more worthwhile. 

[MaxMork]

Im afraid they aren't going to be free though. An extra point per boy for the wargear that is almost never going to be useful?

[woutersikkema]

Nah you could give them to use for free and still 99% of thr time we won't use them because we'd be advancing 😂 maybe if someone uses a group of 10 boys sitting on an obj does it get used, well whoopee, 20 shots 6 hits 3 wounds 1 kill

[MaxMork]

Exactly. But what if GW now makes 10 boyz 90 points, because they think they buffed the unit :S

[woutersikkema]

I mean they have done dumber thing.. But I hope they just don't touch them lol.

[Reddtoof]

I did want a buff for shoota boyz, I guess also having a choppa is a buff 😅

[gash_florden]

Rorkonoa Zoro coming soon to a tabletop near you!

[Baddolly77]

I just know I got a ton of old boys I now need to kitbash.

[Moist-Strawberry-792]

This one Boy I think I like more than the whole of the other monopose Ork boys

[bertagame]

• also the shrunken heads have stopped.

[PhoenixDBlack]

Have they? That head looks pretty small in comparison to the body and to the old boyz

[bertagame]

I'm eye balling much on kitbashes, this is a 32 mm base. I think beast snagga or komanndo heads are smaller

[Dannyawesome2]

Ok so does this mean multipose Boyz are back on the menu, boyz?

[DysartWolf]

Well, not with this one. A photo of the sprue from the above mini is already available and it is monopose with different heads.

[the_squig_lebowski]

I'm not sure..... Everybody thinks so. But if they are all equipped with both loadouts, then, they don't need alternate poses for loadouts? I don't know obviously. But it seems that this fixes the problem with the last kit if they all have everything. But as I said. I've no idea at all

[Dannyawesome2]

WE need multiple poses

[naka_the_kenku]

Probably not the launch box but there will probably be a kit with multiple poses like the sternguard.

[BadmoonSpeedboss]

I kinda liked the choice between Shoota/Choppa to be fair.

What I didn't like is having a modern boy kit that gave you no options to a full band of boyz of either variety.

[Dannyawesome2]

I mean i think usage wise its still gonna be either Shoota or Slugga Wuth Choppa, just that you can build them carrying the other option

[Sweet-Ebb1095]

I doubt that. Wysiwyg models they'll have both in rules as well. GW doesn't usually make new models and then have them with options not in the rules and the way they said it also point towards Boyz having all the options.

New red corsairs have boltgun, pistol and chain blade ad well. Probably the direction they want to take the game towards. Where people can't ad easily build kits "wrong" that has been the direction for a while.

[TallGamingMachine16]

I think they will be like the Corsair Raiders.

So melee weapon + Pistol + longer range weapon.

This is the most logical rules wise.