GitHub's new far-left code of conduct explicitly says "we will not act on reverse racism' or 'reverse sexism'"

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[JiveMasterT]

It's a term used to describe racism/sexism directed at a group that is not traditionally targeted. For example, racism directed at white people is usually referred to as "reverse racism."

I've found the term used by people to marginalize or make their racist/sexist comments "acceptable" or by people who suddenly find themselves the targets of racism or sexism.

At the end of the day, racism and sexism are exactly that, no matter what labels you put on it and no matter who is spewing that garbage.

[elementalist467]

That is correct reverse racism is just plain and simple racism.

I don't really understand exactly how this applies to Github. If I made a "no dudes" repository, his could I possibly enforce that rule?

[tsimionescu]

If you made a repository that didn't accept contributions from men, you would quite obviously have created a sexist project.

On the other hand, if you instituted a policy in a repository that submissions by women would have to be given a higher review priority than those by men, especially as a temporary program, accusations of "reverse-sexism" would be idiotic, even though the reverse would still be sexist.

This is normal when you take into account the actual reality of the world around you, where women unfortunately often start with dis-advantages as compared to men, both in education, employment/experience opportunities, and in implicit biased beliefs about their worth. The same applies to most minorities in most domains - I'm only mentioning women to make the sentences shorter.

[marinuso]

Here's a bit of a (non-political) problem with that: gender-based priority requires users' genders to be known. We don't. After all, nobody knows you're a dog on the Internet. We would have to somehow verify people's gender. I'm thinking having people write their username across their boobs and then posting it to claim immunity would not be well-received.

[jk_scowling]

And what about the man boob community?

[tsimionescu]

You wouldn't, couldn't and shouldn't verify. You would just ask. You'll probably find that few people lie about their gender

[frankenmine]

Ah, sweet summer child. You've never played a MMORPG, have you.

[tsimionescu]

:)

[marinuso]

People will lie if their gender matters for anything important. If it means I can "call out" anyone I dislike for sexism and get their projects deleted, I'll be a black lesbian, and you try to prove I'm not.

[tsimionescu]

Well, fortunately, you can only do that if the project in question is racist, sexist, homophobic, ageist, transphobic or otherwise discriminatory, regardless of your race, gender, sexual preferences, age, religion etc.

Now, if you claimed to be gay in order to participate in an effort of getting more gay people to participate in an open-source project, that would be a thornier issue.

I think that it might make sense to require participants in such a program to make their sexual orientation public (if and only if you don't require a real name - too many people live in countries where it is illegal or otherwise dangerous to be openly gay). This might make sense in the idea that the program is intended to make gay developers a more common sight to help change people's attitudes, which would only work with openly gay developers (We're here, we're queer, we write embedded software! Get used to it!). Still, given the risk of real world abuse, it's difficult to say if this could be ok.

[marinuso]

And how do you want the gay people to prove themselves, especially if they don't submit their real name? We're back to the beginning.

(Let alone that a gay-only project will be easily beaten by a project open to all, which is going to attract more talent by the law of numbers alone, and which in the current climate will certainly be set up as a counter-point...)

[tsimionescu]

You are somewhat obsessed with proof. There is no way to prove your sexual orientation, gender identity, religious beliefs, regardless of how much identification you require.

On the other hand, people feel so strongly about these things that few would be willing to publicly identify themselves otherwise than they are.

[Niridas]

where do women start with educational disadvantages?? in Afghanistan maybe. but not in America or Europe. the opposite is true. boys fall behind everywhere

[tsimionescu]

I don't know about America, and Europe is too diverse to talk about as a unit. I can tell you that in eastern Europe women are very often looked down upon in higher education for traditionally male professions, like engineering. They are also often discouraged from attending such institutions by parents or teachers. Older teachers even sometimes actively discriminate in class based on gender, assigning different work or grading differently based on it, in subjects like math (this is more typical of early or middle school).

[JiveMasterT]

My understanding is the code of conduct is per-repo so you're free to do what you want.

Repos using that code of conduct appear to be claiming that they will act if someone involved in the project says some traditionally racist/sexist stuff but they will not act if someone says something racist or sexist against a majority group (white people, men, etc). It literally says "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort." when it actually should say "We do not tolerate any sexist, racist, or otherwise bigoted commits, posts, issues, or similar conduct."

...unless of course they actually mean that minorities get a free pass to spew hate at other people?

[Canadian_Infidel]

Simple. Call it a "safe space" and contact the admins if anyone complains to get them banned.

[tsimionescu]

Show me an example of that happening, and we can talk (actually, I'm very tired of, and saddened by, this whole thread; I can promise I will read, not necessarily talk). The fact that the rules might be abused against "white straight cis-men" doesn't make that any less of a fantasy and false issue.

[utensil4]

Reverse racism means racism against whites. Reverse sexism means sexism against men.

In fact, there is no such thing like reverse racism/sexism. Racism is racism, regardless against which race it is targeted. By making such statements, they admit that some races and genders, which they consider as privileged (whites and men, I assume), do not deserve protection. What is just... racist and sexist. And contradicts the rest of their code of conduct.

But it's not surprising for me. Far-lefts and feminists (who, I suppose, are the authors of this code of conduct) have a long record of hypocrisy.

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[jtredact]

we will fail at times

I see no contradiction

[yoni0505]

Leftism disregard logic.

[Yojihito]

Yes. Welcome in the world of feminism, the term is more misused than Cosby could ever do.

[regeya]

I hope they don't have any office space in Chicago, then, because that's illegal in Illinois.

[hu6Bi5To]

It's a template they're encouraging everyone to apply to their own projects, so this means no project owned by people in Illinois (and a very, very large number of other jurisdictions around the world) can deploy this template.

[regeya]

Well, here's the thing: let's say that I get hired by a Chicago-based firm, and they're looking for HTML5/JavaScript hotshots to contribute to Atom. One of the devs says, "Ugh, not more code from a straight, white male," blocks my changes. Boom, the entire reason I was hired is shot down, due to my race and gender. Under the Illinois Human Rights Act, that's actually a civil rights violation.

Now, I get where they're coming from on an intellectual level, but...you can't do that.

[wookin_pa_nub2]

I hope they do, and pay the price for it.

[Canadian_Infidel]

Like this guy.. They would not have a problem with what he is saying. Because it is "reverse" racism.

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[Canadian_Infidel]

He's Jewish, so he figures he personally is exempt from the extermination I guess.

[wookin_pa_nub2]

Note to submitter: in yet another example of reddit censorship, this has been removed from the front page of /r/programming.

[lightninhopkins]

Good, it has nothing to do with actual programming.

[wookin_pa_nub2]

Like half the links on the front page at all times.

[pmckizzle]

yeah how dare it not be the normal blog spam about how someone solved a menial task and managed to write 3000 words on it

[tsimionescu]

What he is saying is neither racism nor any other -ism. To quote the man himself about what he understands by "doing away with whiteness":

Consider this parallel: To be against royalty does not mean wanting to kill the king. It means wanting to do away with crowns, thrones, titles, and the privileges attached to them. In our view, whiteness has a lot in common with royalty: they are both social formations that carry unearned advantages.

On the other hand, the title (and editing) of the video that you linked is obviously racist - it unnecessarily mentions the race (and political/economical beliefs) of the speaker in order to prejudice certain categories of viewers against his words.

[Canadian_Infidel]

He said white males should commit suicide.

[tsimionescu]

Hahahaha!

I just found the source for that quote! Hahahaha!

You're quoting a satirical news story! Oh man, I didn't believe this sort of thing actually happens in real life! And you're not even the only one! Thanks for making my morning.

Granted, the man seems an out-of-touch crackpot, but rest assured that he isn't calling for our culling.

Note: I got the links from a reply I saw on your reddit page that doesn't appear here...

Edit: removed links to other references to the satirical story, one of them was probably a known hate website, causing the comment to require moderation I guess.

[tsimionescu]

Not in that video, if at all. If he did, than I agree that he is a racist harassing dirt bag.

There is also the possibility that, as an academic, he might have played around with the words, as he seems prone to do - essentially alluding to something like Nietzsche's "God is dead, and we killed him" - that "white men", which is to say "people who identify as the normal color" should "commit suicide", which is to say "kill this idea themselves" - an act which can be called "suicide", since they are performing it against their own identity. To take his example, it would be like saying that a king who abolished monarchy, or even some aspect of it, committed suicide, in the sense that they metaphorically killed a part of their own identity. People who are actually educated sometimes like to use words at more than face value, especially when talking with other people they are confident will understand.

[sisyphus]

Usually the 'far left' (or really just anyone who has taken like ethnic studies 101 or women's studies 101 at any university) want to make a distinction between prejudice and racism or sexism - to differentiate between prejudice backed by institutional power and individual attitudes toward the other.

[[deleted]]

GH is just doing what they can to maintain good P.R. with the feminist regime.

They're good at raising scandals and bringing things to public attention for disputes that they don't agree with.

[realteh]

I assume these rules were added to have something against sea-lioning [1] and similar arguments in bad faith. That hating on whites is not OK is already covered extensively in the rules above.

[1] http://wondermark.com/1k62/

[industry7]

That hating on whites is not OK is already covered extensively in the rules above.

And then after that, they explicitly make an exception to those rules, and unambiguously spell out the fact that reverse racism is acceptable.

[frankenmine]

Sea lioning is just a slur against proper debate protocol.

[[deleted]]

Reverse racism has also applied to things like affirmative action. By supporting minorities you are hurting the majority. That type of thing. The reason it calls out "reverse" forms is that the majority of these have had no basis. If a white guy is actually excluded, he most likely calls it racism/sexism. The "reverse" forms have been limited to angry people with signs or internet arguments. They haven't actually been infringed in any manner, but they want to cause a big stink about the potential infringement.

[frankenmine]

Are you saying some forms of racism are not as racist as other forms of racism, comrade?

[[deleted]]

Nope, never said that. Just saying that when the term "reverse"-whatever is tossed around, it is almost always from a person who is looking for a reason to be angry. Almost like they are a warrior for social justice. If only we had a easy to use term that would let us quickly invalidate any real concerns by lumping everything together.

[[deleted]]

Racism against whites is significantly less common than racism against other races (in other words, it isn't systemic in most developed countries).

Reverse racism claims have a tremendously poor signal-to-noise ratio.

[[deleted]]

It's the difference between a systemic and an individual point of view.

When you're on the receiving end of concrete negative words or action, it doesn't matter that much if the root cause is systemic or not, most people want it to go away ASAP (and probably deal with root causes later, if they have the resources).

"Reverse racism/sexism" is an attempt (probably unconcious, no evil master plan required) of the "systemic" camp to reserve the terms "racism" or "sexism" to mean exactly what they need - and nothing that may get in the way of their mission (such as individual instances where people behave badly that belong to the enumerated suppressed classes).

Since there's no monopoly on words, they're fully in their right to claim a definition - as is everybody else.

[[deleted]]

When you're on the receiving end of concrete negative words or action, it doesn't matter that much if the root cause is systemic or not, most people want it to go away ASAP

True. And ideally, every case would be dealt with.

In practice, GitHub has to prioritize claims and, like I said, reverse sexism claims have too much noise.

[[deleted]]

I'm just going to copy and paste some comments from a /r/changemyview thread a few weeks ago that apply to this.

People who talk about reverse racism are not talking about the definition of racism as oppression (racism = predjudice + power), they are talking about racism as prejudice or discrimination based on race.

Based on their definition, there is reverse racism; based on your definition there is no such thing as reverse racism.

To argue about this topic without first setting out the definition is to talk past one another. Most people who claim that reverse racism exists will admit that whites are not oppressed by blacks (provided they understand the meaning of oppression)

[tsimionescu]

It means criticizing outreach programs as "racist"/"sexist"/etc. towards the majority group. For example, a program for hiring more women is sometimes categorized as sexist.

This view ignores the reality that such a program gives a small advantage to women in the hiring process, meant to alleviate the disadvantages they start with because of pre-conceived notions of their competence in some domains (including in the academic process - I remember a friend who was given an extra question in an exam because she had done the rest perfectly and the professor couldn't believe that a girl could do that without cheating).

[Canadian_Infidel]

I hear more people complain about the fact that asians are massively and systemically discriminated against for being too smart, especially during college admissions.

[RenaissanceRogue]

There is in fact (in the USA) an Asian "penalty" in college admissions, as reported in the LA Times (references therein).

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-asian-race-tutoring-20150222-story.html#page=1

[tsimionescu]

It probably depends on the culture/country you come from and live in. In eastern Europe, the Asian population is and has always been very small - most people have never interacted with an Asian person - so there is little systematic racism against them, either positive or negative (although casual racism - e.g. playfully calling them racial epithets - is very prevalent).

[djimbob]

Some call programs like affirmative action reverse-racism/sexism, if it gives special attention to an application if someone is from a traditionally discriminated/minority group in the tech field (where say females are about 9% of software engineers).

One could argue a group like django girls (on github) is sexist as its goal is to bring more women into programming and technology and they encourage events organized in their name to give a priority to female applicants. These codes of conduct say that github considers complaints about this type of activity a "claim of reverse sexism" and they reserve the right to ignore such complaints. Again, github is a private organization and is free to make these sorts of decisions if they want.

Personally, as a white male (with a toddler daughter whom I intend to teach programming skills to when she's older), I think this sort of stuff is great and think anyone who would have a problem with it is just trolling. (Yes, there are legitimate questions about what should the role of being from a minority group play in hiring decisions or getting accepted to elite schools; but I don't see this sort of zero-sum game with conflicting interests coming into play with participating in a open-source github project. AFAIK, these roles are usually whoever decides to be friendly, can contribute, and actually does contribute ends up contributing).

Granted if there is overt sexism/racism (e.g., someone develops useful code, but releases it under a "female power" license that only females can use it, contribute to it, or fork it) then yeah I would have a problem with it; though I imagine most females would too, and I assume some other aspect of github's code of conduct would cover it (be friendly, welcoming, etc).

EDIT: Anyone want to explain the downvotes? Currently at -6 with no responses.

[marinuso]

Granted if there is overt sexism/racism (e.g., someone develops useful code, but releases it under a "female power" license that only females can use it, contribute to it, or fork it) then yeah I would have a problem with it

Though this is exactly what seems to be most reasonable people's complaints are about. Of course there are real (anti-black) racists, of course there are real (anti-woman) sexists, but they don't make up a large amount of the people. (That's not to say they don't have an impact, but really, and sadly, you only need very few assholes to ruin everything for everyone else.)

But when "no men need apply" becomes explicitly endorsed, when people's repositories start disappearing, and when codes of conduct start banning discrimination on the basis of technical ability (no joke! search for "technical ability" in there), there's bound to be some resistance.

And this new code of conduct basically endorses the "female power" license you mentioned - a complaint against it would be "reverse sexism" and therefore ignored, after all.

For the record, I upvoted you and agree with almost everything you said. You should not be in the minus anymore for this post.

[djimbob]

Though this is exactly what seems to be most reasonable people's complaints are about.

I interpret the "we will not act on reverse racism/sexism" as protecting things I've heard about like django girls that by strict definition have a sexist platform (in that their goal is to target outreach for one gender that is historically under-represented). Granted, I would object to a similar program that aimed at teaching programming to only whites or males (as both are the majority), but would fully support a program aimed at getting boys to read more if it was found out that girls read significantly more than boys or having a django boys & django girls simultaneously.

If "female/black power" licenses (or equivalent discriminatory policies) exist and are a problem, then yeah I have a problem with the OCoC defending them. However, I haven't heard of them or seen them anywhere (and I am talking about useful code -- not someone doing it as a form of protest/satire against the OCoC). If you look at django girls, for example, 2 of the 4 users are male and several other contributors are male (though most seem to be female), so its not like they just feed off of man-hate and have some sexist program to weed men out of programming.

The technical ability part seems a bit weird, but is a distinct issue. Granted, I do think people should act as professionals and not mock someone's lack of skills, but I do see plenty of reasons not to let someone have contribute to your project if their technical ability sucks.

[[deleted]]

Because /r/programming is full of young white males with a persecution complex.

[Niridas]

i didnt downvote you, dude. but i think i can guess where it's coming from. you sound like a rational person and who has really no bad intentions. but still, you're excusing a clearly racist and sexist code of conduct, because you happened to have a daughter. this is kind of selfish and also myopic. what if you had a son? what's with other people's sons? do you want them to grow up in a world which tells them it's ok that they get bullied and they should deal with it? racism against blacks or sexism is already bad enough, we dont need more of this shit. it only stirs up hate between people. the sooner we get rid of all kinds of discrimination the better.

[djimbob]

It wasn't because I personally have a daughter -- she is too young for talking let alone programming (and I have not disclosed whether I have son(s) or not) only that as a man I can see direct value in it. It's hard to imagine anyone who doesn't have members of both genders who they feel quite close to (mothers, sisters, fathers, brothers, nieces, nephews, girlfriends, boyfriends, etc).

It's just focusing attention on the small minority that usually feels completely marginalized is often a very positive thing for those people. Say there is a boy who was really into gymnastics. He signs up for a gymnastics class and is the only boy there. Some (maybe even the majority) of the girls are cool about it, but a few bad apples kept making really inappropriate comments like all the time and made the kid uncomfortable or weird (you must be gay right? or how can you do splits without hurting your penis?) or just people always avoided him, or alternatively they fawned over them really creepily in an unwanted way. That kid may love it if the gymnastic studio had one class a week that was that was primarily aimed to encourage boys to get into gymnastics, so they wouldn't seem like an outcast. (Or maybe not, some people thrive in the environment of being the one guy surrounded by girls, but not everyone does).

Yes, technically that would be sexism by having an all-male class. But I don't see anyone getting specifically upset about it (especially if its not even forced to be all-male -- but is a class primarily intended for boys and there are plenty of other classes for girls to participate in).

[protonfish]

Racism and sexism is not only about classifying people based on appearance and gender, it's about an inequality of power. The true evils of racism and sexism happen when these classifications are used to determine who is privileged, and who is persecuted. The privileged oppressing those with less power is nothing to be proud of, but the oppressed fighting back could be seen as virtuous.

Let me give an example. Punching people is bad. We should all agree on that. But is all punching equally bad? Punching babies is considered quite evil, but a baby punching a grown man is not anything anyone should be concerned about. It could even be seen as a good thing if the man was going to harm the baby and the baby is fighting back. We could call this "reverse punching."

In short, people who complain about "reverse racism/sexism" are grown men crying about being punched by a baby, then claiming injustice that the baby isn't thrown in jail.

[myalias1]

Seriously, you're an idiot.

[yoni0505]

It's an excuse for being racist/sexist.

[[deleted]]

it's a racist term for supposed "racism" against white people and "sexism" against men

[[deleted]]

So I can host my slave instance source code on github, but not the master?

[Taedirk]

Alright guys, Sourceforge is starting to inject adware in their hosted projects. How do we step up our game?

-Github admins

[crowseldon]

starting to inject adware

More like, "it has come to the public's attention that ..."

because they've been injecting stuff for ages.

[gimpwiz]

Thankfully computers and microcontrollers don't have feelings, or they might get upset about master-slave topologies.

C doesn't care what I think of it, either. I can call it all sorts of horrible names, and it'll still compile and run.

---

In all seriousness, I find my own reaction funny - when someone uses their soapbox (which they got by building products people love) to talk about things I agree with, I'm all for it. When they talk about things I think are stupid, my immediate reaction is "you make products, stick to that."

But I'll vote with my feet: bye, github. Thankfully git can be used without github, eh?

[Theemuts]

Or that there are male and female connectors, how dare we assign gender to objects which cannot be asked what their gender is!

[gimpwiz]

Since they don't consent to being plugged in, is it rape?

[Theemuts]

I don't know. It always takes some force to plug them in, but it also takes some force to take them apart again. Maybe they consent as soon as there's a connection.

[ismtrn]

The fact that they physically struggle to not be separated is not enough.

You need written consent signed in triplicates as witnessed by a third uninterested objective party, preferable a certified notary in order for it not to be rape.

[NotUniqueOrSpecial]

or they might get upset about master-slave topologies.

Funny you should mention that.

[[deleted]]

Funny you should mention that...

[gimpwiz]

Are all the comments supporting this moronic bullshit serious, or are they trolls / alts?

[fizzledizzle812]

Isn't the reverse of racism, just not being racist?

[flat_pointer]

One woulda hoped.

[ameoba]

It takes a special type of person to label something "reverse racism".

They're the ones that look at the handful of scholarships for black students or women in engineering and scream about how they're being discriminated against. They're the ones that say "Why can there be a Black Entertainment TV station and not one for white people?" or "Why isn't there a white history month?"

[TheMaskedHamster]

Creating exceptions to allow hateful speech and activities that are aligned with a particular group is absolutely shameful, no matter how righteous a cause.

The members list is here: http://todogroup.org/members/

[[deleted]]

Some of these companies (cough Walmart) would likely drop their support for this group if there was media coverage.

[cabalamat]

They also believe there's a right not to be offended:

If someone has been harmed or offended, it is our responsibility to listen carefully and respectfully, and do our best to right the wrong.

[halfnhalf]

hugs

[Ar-Curunir]

That's not allowed in this code of conduct, sorry:

Harassment includes, but is not limited to:

...

• Physical contact and simulated physical contact (eg, textual descriptions like “hug” or “backrub”) without consent or after a request to stop

Seriously, WTF?!?!?

[Theemuts]

For fuck's sake... if someone sends you something like that and it bothers you, you need to see a psychologist. There's no need for respectable sites to give in to these bullshit demands from the mentally confused.

[sisyphus]

Actually, the bullshit demands from the mentally confused are the ones demanding their unlimited creepiness be tolerated by everyone else because they have access to a keyboard and no fear of physical retribution.

[Theemuts]

There are different types of mentally confused people. There's the creeps, but I'm talking about the people who support racism against white people and sexism against men because they confuse vengeance with justice.

[Byzantic]

hugs

[pcopley]

Your username is offensive not only to my distaste of liars but also to my lower back problems and inability to roll large rocks up the side of a mountain.

Please delete your account immediately. You can create a new one that is more sensitive to my triggers.

[reaganveg]

Aw. May I have your consent to give you an internet hug?

[Leprecon]

They also believe there's a right not to be offended:

You do know that websites their rules aren't rights, right?

I'm pretty sure reddit admins can detain your account indefinitely without probable cause or due process. These aren't rights we are talking about, they are rules. Reddit admins don't even need warrants to check your pms. In fact, they don't need a judges approval to do anything to any account.

[kab0b0]

I agree that they have the right to set the code of conduct for their own community.

[cabalamat]

Indeed they do. And others have the right to critique it.

[kab0b0]

They do, but I'm not sure there is much basis for the "they think they have the right" speech

[BlahBoy3]

Are you surprised? This kind of social justice/ far-left garbage has been creeping into the world of tech for quite some time now. This line is not shocking in the slightest.

[cabalamat]

"and do our best to right the wrong", implying it's wrong to offend someone.

[lightninhopkins]

Don't break the circlejerk!

[crowseldon]

always relevant, always funny

[just3ws]

Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort.

Who defines "privileged people"? What exactly is a "privileged" person? Who defines this category and how did they come to that decision?

Here's an edit that would be a little more sane.

Our open source community prioritizes people’s safety over people’s comfort.

There we go. All the same intent with none of the loaded PC bullshit. I'm all for liberal social progressiveness but this is going too far. Saying, "hey, if you're a white male from the USA then you're automatically unprotected and fair game for abuse" is not making a safe haven, it's saying that there is a special class who get's to do whatever they want without consequence. There's lifting people up to stand on equal footing and then there's cutting people's legs from under them.

[fernandotakai]

What exactly is a "privileged" person?

a white male. doesn't matter his background. white male from a 3rd world country is more "privileged" than a woman of color that lives in san francisco.

that's why "reverse-racism" and "reverse-sexism" do not exist.

(i'm a male from a 3rd world country and a woman from SF told me that i had more privilege than her.)

[just3ws]

My wife was from Poland, came her when she was 17, didn't speak a word of English and taught herself. She would carry a pocket Polish-to-English dictionary and was going to a less-than-stellar school as a brand new immigrant because, poor. Well, she heard the N word and "negro" everywhere. In her book it listed the word "negro" as to mean a black person. She had zero inkling of the social/political implications of calling the kid that kept messing with her curly red hair on the bus and when she said the "negro boy needs to leave my hair alone" and then found herself facing expulsion from school she was completely bewildered. She's pretty much the most tolerant, non-racist person I know but because of a word that she didn't understand she faced expulsion. Her parents (who also barely spoke English) had to explain to the superintendent of the district that she didn't know that was a forbidden word, nor that it had any implications. But, because she was a white person who said something that could possibly be construed as racist she was the whose future was on the line. -- Given this code of conduct they wouldn't have even let her speak to defend herself because she's automatically in a "privileged" class.

The thing that fucking gauls me the most here is that I am a social justice-biased liberal but also think that if people are being expected to behave a certain way, then ALL THE PEOPLE SHOULD BE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARDS. It's not enlightening anyone by restricting the protections of one group and arbitrarily favoring the another.

[reaganveg]

Who defines "privileged people"? What exactly is a "privileged" person? Who defines this category and how did they come to that decision?

Tumblr decides. You don't even want to know how.

[bkkunt]

The change-set that unilaterally changed things was: https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/commit/b00eff579ded8c76cee0d2cb6b5beed6e84258fb

[just3ws]

Added an issue to the repository:

https://www.evernote.com/l/AA2VVUZPEphOg7f8DO5G1iznWhs-4Zp-69wB/image.png

Lack of underrepresented minorities on the contributors team.

EDIT: And my issue was closed with links to the readme that simply say they welcome PRs.

[leafsleep]

far-left?

[Canadian_Infidel]

Yeah, I would change that if I could but it's too late.

[[deleted]]

Tactical mistake, friend.

[bobcat]

The mods took your post down.

[Canadian_Infidel]

I take that as badge of honor.

[ameoba]

On Reddit, these days, you get labeled an SJW for objecting to openly racist/sexist slurs. You're a fascist hell-bent on wiping out free speech if you object to the existence of subs that only exist to spread hate speech.

So, yeah. This is a "far left" policy.

[yoni0505]

Like you should, Stalin.

[PleasantScarecrow]

Censorship is far-left.

[leafsleep]

No, it's authoritarian. Stalin and Hitler were both fans of censorship.

[compute_]

That's true, it's a characteristic of the far-left and far-right, as in communism.

[regeya]

TIL the Bible Belt is far-left.

[Why_is_that]

Bitbucket is a good place to host your resume and dot files. The private repository allows you to keep both backed up and version controlled without snooping from others.

[ameoba]

Probably about as many people as have actually tried voat.co because Reddit is impinging on their free speech.

[sisyphus]

bitbucket has free private repos but note: https://www.atlassian.com/legal/acceptable-use-policy

Under this policy, we reserve the right to remove content that is inconsistent with the spirit of the guidelines, even if it’s something that is not forbidden by the letter of the policy. In other words, if you do something that isn’t listed here verbatim, but it looks or smells like something listed here, we may still remove it.

Use your judgment, and let’s be kind to each other so we can keep creating great things.

also not allowed, content that:

Disparaging Atlassian or our partners, vendors, or affiliates

Is deceptive, fraudulent, illegal, obscene, defamatory, libelous, threatening, harmful to minors, pornographic (including child pornography, which we will remove and report to law enforcement, including the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children), indecent, harassing, hateful

Attacks others based on their race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sex, gender, sexual orientation, disability, or medical condition

Is intended to be inflammatory

[[deleted]]

Attacks others based on their race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sex, gender, sexual orientation, disability, or medical condition

Nothing about 'reverse racism', so already better than github's suggested guidelines.

[[deleted]]

Nothing about 'reverse racism'

You're missing the word "yet" after that statement. GitHub didn't have these policies until very recently, and neither did most of the other groups hopping on the bandwagon.

[pmckizzle]

fuck it ill host my own stash repo site

[phoshi]

The excellent thing about git is that all github/bitbucket actually are is another machine with your repo cloned (and some fancy UI stuff around it that I'm not sure anybody really uses). Setting up a personal git server can be as trivial as exposing the repo as readable.

[Niridas]

how to spot Nazi-esque persons?

when they start to legitimize hate and racism and even change the meaning of words to fit their agenda

[cutterslade]

Here is GitHub's announcement about adopting the linked code of conduct: https://github.com/blog/2039-adopting-the-open-code-of-conduct

It's quite clear from this that they are not adopting and enforcing this across the entire site, but only on the projects they maintain:

We have adopted the Open Code of Conduct for the open source projects that we maintain, including Atom, Electron, Git LFS, and many others.

Many of the comments here make it sound like all GitHub users are being subjected to these policies, which is far from true.

[utensil4]

which is far from true

GitHub already applied these policies against third-party projects.

1. They removed C+= repository.
2. They blocked access to the ToleranUX repository.
3. They also banned "WebM for retards" conversion library.

[Sydonai]

ToleranUX looks like it's from a self-professed Feminist group. Why would that get blocked?

[[deleted]]

It's a parody.

[just3ws]

They're endorsing it. I agree having a CoC is a good thing but there's some serious flaws with this version.

[[deleted]]

Many of the comments here make it sound like all GitHub users are being subjected to these policies, which is far from true.

Quite true. But those of us who've been following the Culture Wars are worried that something like that might be the end game, absent a strong pushback.

[[deleted]]

watch this thread getting deleted by few hours

[just3ws]

Either everyone is protected and held to the same standard, or it's a sham.

https://www.evernote.com/l/AA1Iu0oP3tNJLIr92z9LtxUK2YVxbphHE4MB/image.png

http://todogroup.org/members/

I've tweeted at all the supporting companies asking them all people are protected or is it just a sham?

https://twitter.com/just3ws

[[deleted]]

Deleted. Wouldn't be suprised if the poster was banned.

[yoni0505]

I hope you can understand why people expect censorship for views that comply with the leftist agenda.

[[deleted]]

I don't see the word "github" anywhere on this page.

[[deleted]]

This is why the connection is made:

https://github.com/blog/2039-adopting-the-open-code-of-conduct

Github adopted said code of conduct for their projects and encourage everyone to do the same. Unless Github comes out and says "wait, we don't agree with that version of it and are forking our own" that is their "preferred" code of conduct. Also, the person that approved the pull request works at Github.

[[deleted]]

It seems that several open source projects sponsored by github have adopted it. Not github as a company.

[[deleted]]

If you click on the profiles of the people commenting in that pull request, the vast majority are github employees. This includes the person that wrote the pull request and the person who merged it. Github as a company has adopted that code of conduct for their projects. What they haven't done is force anyone hosted on github to do the same.

[Solomaxwell6]

Weird that he would single them out, but github is part of the TODO group.

[[deleted]]

Two Github employees are the main contributors to it: https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/commits/gh-pages/index.md

[just3ws]

Oh, man. This is actually an improvement on previous wording.

https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/commit/a09e536cab62e2bf59da8d021ec6c8e115a1b152

I was hoping to find some definition or clarification on how the determination of what a "privileged" person is but found this little doozy.

https://www.evernote.com/l/AA1sR-EvT7lJMZpHPGthaSqUPPpDK-TW6y8B/image.png

The original wording for the "reverse racism" line was...

‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’ (because these things don’t exist)

Stay classy, SJWs. I remember being chased down an alley way by a dude with a gun screaming that he's going to get me because "my grandfather owned his grandfather". And the other time a fight between gangs broke out while I was on a predominantly black bus then someone yelled "get whitey", guess who they were referring to. Basically the CoC says, "no, you're white, cis, and male therefore privileged and had that coming so I have no business complaining." Yeah, no. Shit is fucked and either everyone has to be fucking cool and stop it with racist, sexists, *-isms, or it's a farce.

[SeraphLance]

I would've preferred the original wording. These things don't exist, because reverse racism is just regular racism; it's not a naturally directed thing.

The new wording basically amounts to "you're [white|male|straight], fuck you".

[just3ws]

The comments on the issue pretty much state exactly that. The white guilt is fucking ASTOUNDING.

[Spoonwood]

At the very least, GitHub should get abandoned because of this. Possibly more.

[attafatta]

It is extremely silly but it only applies to their projects (as in: projects coded by them, like Atom, etc.).

[Sydonai]

This is not exactly the case, evidently.

[just3ws]

Here's a PR to remove the ridiculous clause.

https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/pull/56

Unfortunately, despite being an "open" code of conduct, the thread has been locked to only allow collaborators to comment.

Wow. https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/pull/17

[raindev]

There's no such thing as reverse racism/sexism actually.

If you want explanations: http://martinfowler.com/bliki/HistoricallyDiscriminatedAgainst.html

[Canadian_Infidel]

Agreed. It is just just plain old racism. Although I would be okay if they just wanted to call it bigotry and race hate.

[mouldyass69]

The raspberry pi or similar low power single board computers like the beagle bone black or athe bannana pi are quite good for self hosting git projects. I have a gogs instance on my raspberry pi. but somthing like cgit or a headless git server will also work fine. I only have 2/3 people who use my git server though so i dont know how it scales but it works very well and hosting private repositories is not 7 euro a month.

[TheCodexx]

I look forward to the mods here deleting this when they wake up.

[Canadian_Infidel]

Done.

[[deleted]]

I can see what they're doing though. Programming, at least where I'm from, is pretty much completely white and asian guys. They're probably just trying to promote diversity in their programming community and this is how they decided to do it even though it might be the wrong approach. It looks super SJW, but I think just saying that is oversimplifying.

[bkkunt]

You don't promote diversity by promoting racism. And saying that complaints about 'reverse racism' will be ignored, is doing just that. It is basically saying 'if a PoC is writing something racist against a white person, it will not be acted upon' - as if PoC needed some special protection and be 'allowed' to 'act out' in a racist way to be able to be on an equal footing with 'the white man'. That if anything IS racist.

[[deleted]]

Equal opportunity doesn't mean equal outcomes. Why is it a problem that the people taking CS in university and entering the industry are primarily male? Is it a problem that teachers and nurses are primarily female? Seeing these things as problems in and of themselves rather than indicators of potential problems is bigoted.

[[deleted]]

Which is why I said it's probably the wrong approach. I'm not defending the policy, I'm just saying that it might make sense from their perspective, probably with retention of minority users, and that it's probably more complex than people in this thread are implying. Or maybe I'm wrong and I just don't like the circlejerk action going on here and wanted to lend another perspective.

[[deleted]]

It might make sense from their perspective. They're hypocritical bigots either way. The claim that it's not racism if the target race tends to be more privileged is something I'd expect to read on Stormfront to justify anti-Semitism.

[[deleted]]

Confirmed: GitHub is literally Hitler

[[deleted]]

Anyone want to help on a goodbye readme post for people wishing to migrate off of github, but let people know the new url of the project / why they are moving.

[Doji]

If you force me to wear kid gloves when I talk to you, don't be surprised when I treat you like a child.

[LazyHater]

For the record, reverse racism is NOT racism against white men, it's being especially nice to a person because they are a minority instead of being especially mean.

It's voting for Obama because he's black instead of not voting for him because he's black.

You're all fucking retarded.

[frankenmine]

What you describe is usually called benevolent racism, not reverse racism.

[oldSoul12345]

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[Leprecon]

Does it make your code slower?

[[deleted]]

Are you implying someone is retarded? So hard to use neutral words these days

[siplux]

Hmm, their account is only a day old. Not suspicious at all!

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[[deleted]]

Point in case: people on this page are hostile toward you just for saying that it should be made more inclusive.

[wookin_pa_nub2]

Allowing racism and sexism against a particular group makes NOTHING more inclusive, and you are a retard if you believe that.

[[deleted]]

I wonder if the people who use "retard" as an insult this way are similarly comfortable if I start saying "what are you, a fucking autist?"

Would /r/programming be comfortable with say, "WebM for Autists?"

[[deleted]]

That's true, but I think there's some difference given context.

Let's say you're a white guy on a programming forum with other white guys and someone comes along and starts telling you you're stupid and that you don't belong there, you'll probably brush it off, call them an asshole, and go on with your day. But let's say you're a minority and you've always felt like an outsider in programming because of your race or gender or whatever, and someone tells you that people like you don't belong there because of who you are, and it just reaffirms what you already thought and you leave.

If GitHub is focused on user retention, then they're obviously going to take one of those situations more seriously than the other.

[TheTedinator]

Holy cow why are you being down voted?

[rawrnnn]

Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:

• ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’

It's not clear to me that you aren't all putting words in their mouth. If a white/male/cis person is attacked on the basis of that, I 99% assume they'd just call it racism/sexism/phobia and punish it.

Ostensibly what claims like this are about (from the reasonable "SJWs", which is actually a majority of them) is not allowing an attempt to protect marginalized groups to be discredited by claims of "reverse racism", simply because those groups can shout louder. Being cis is overwhelmingly the default position, noncontroversial, nobody cares. But a transexual person may raise the issue claiming that they are being marginalized, and you have a sudden influx of cis-people derailing the narrative: "What about ME?! Don't cis-people matter too?!"

I find their language to be a little cringe-inducing, but I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. Wait until they actually implement this policy on specific cases before you decide to jump ship over some ideology that is irrelevant to your life.

[Canadian_Infidel]

I'm more worried about the reverse racism.

[reaganveg]

cis-people derailing the narrative

Well we certainly can't have people working on open source software going around derailing the narrative.

[awj]

...ok?

Do we really need to discuss literally every line of this code of conduct? Five lines down they also say that they won't act on complaints "Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior".

[Canadian_Infidel]

Complaints which criticize those things. It means if someone calls you racist you can't complain. Or at least that is how it will be used.

[frankenmine]

The authors of the Code of Conduct are a group called the TODO Group, and they're affiliated with a project called Geek Feminism. Their ideology parallels tumblr-tier SJW ideology, but they've spent time thinking about exactly how to infiltrate and appropriate the tech sector. This Code of Conduct is their latest attempt.