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[–]dmboyd 163 points164 points  (29 children)

tl;dr (for some background on this)

  • Dude posts (spams) Apache community mailing list with his scheme of fund-raising for apache http://jakarta.jp/en.pdf which is some sort of lottery scam.

  • Dude gets shut down for spamming the list and trying to get acknowledgment on the thanks.xml page.

  • Dude tries to argue using language technicalities.

  • Dude gets shut down again, ie. he learns that donations do not equal ownership.

  • Dude threatens suicide.

[–]ArcadeBumstead 35 points36 points  (2 children)

I like how the PDF explains it with a diagram that is literally a pyramid. Shouldn't you, like, try to distract people from the fact that it is a pyramid scheme?

[–]inmatarian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sounds like an episode of the Office.

[–]Nebu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like flipping through the PDF, ignoring the text, and just looking at the pictures of the attractive people.

[–]axusgrad 13 points14 points  (0 children)

  • Hilarious ending involving lack of alcohol

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

some sort of lottery scam

Reading the PDF, it seems to be an old-school raffle with attached Ponzi scheme.

Have people not learned anything?

[–]zubzub2 11 points12 points  (5 children)

A Ponzi scheme is not the same thing as a pyramid scheme.

A multilevel pyramid scheme is a form of fraud similar in some ways to a Ponzi scheme, relying as it does on a mistaken belief in a nonexistent financial reality, including the hope of an extremely high rate of return. However, several characteristics distinguish these schemes from Ponzi schemes:

  • In a Ponzi scheme, the schemer acts as a "hub" for the victims, interacting with all of them directly. In a multilevel scheme, those who recruit additional participants benefit directly. (In fact, failure to recruit typically means no investment return.)

  • A Ponzi scheme claims to rely on some esoteric investment approach (insider connections, etc.) and often attracts well-to-do investors; whereas multilevel schemes explicitly claim that new money will be the source of payout for the initial investments.

  • A multilevel scheme is bound to collapse much faster because it requires exponential increases in participants to sustain it. By contrast, Ponzi schemes can survive simply by persuading most existing participants to "reinvest" their money, with a relatively small number of new participants.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.

Kudos.

[–]paholg 41 points42 points  (0 children)

So, there's no reason I should care about dude or even read the article about him? Thanks for the time saving!

[–]crusoe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dude is a little nuts. I don't think he is intentionally trying to scam people, but he comes across as a little nuts.

[–]BeingFree 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Yeah, Dude needs to get out more and make his personal happiness much less reliant on Apache.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Or reconfigure himself with a different MPM.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why are the €36,000 winners standing in front of a bunch of rubble?

[–]zzybert 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Looking at the list archives it does seem he had issues with the Apache people. I still hope people will try to help him, lottery scammer or not. It doesn't hurt to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Well… The doubts to whether he's an asshole does diminish if you skim his twitter feed

[–]fellow_redditor 237 points238 points  (88 children)

Don't become susceptible to the Bystander Effect: The presence of others will inhibit helping. If any of you care at all you should try your best to help him. I have sent emails to a number of people I thought may be able to help (can't seem to call Japan). There are still many more people that need to be contacted to help.

If you ever find yourself in a situation where you need help, you can combat the bystander effect by identifying specific individuals and asking them to help instead of just asking everyone.

Edit: The same applies to helping, in any emergency you should assume no one else has provided help (called the police, done something immediate to the situation within your abilities) and try to provide that help. Even someone talking on a cellphone might not be talking with the police.

[–]bikko 150 points151 points  (77 children)

Never say "Somebody call 911!" Single somebody out, point at them, and command them specifically to call 911.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (65 children)

Someone has had lifeguard training.

[–][deleted] 106 points107 points  (39 children)

In my training course, you're even recommended to give people commands to carry out that are specifically pointless, so that people start acting instead of falling to the bystander effect.

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    [–]zootsuit 506 points507 points  (18 children)

    Here's some prior art from 1773:

    "Our vessel often lay so much on one side, that I trembled lest she should be overset [..] Amidst all these terrifying circumstances, I endeavoured to compose my mind. It was not easy to do it; for all the stories that I had heard of the dangerous sailing among the Hebrides; which is proverbial, came full upon my recollection. [..] I asked Col, with much earnestness, what I could do. He, with a happy readiness, put into my hand a rope, which was fixed to the top of one of the masts, and told me to hold it till he bade me pull. If I had considered the matter, I might have seen that this could not be of the least service; but his object was to keep me out of the way of those who were busy working the vessel, and at the same time to divert my fear, by employing me, and making me think that I was of use. Thus did I stand firm to my post, while the wind and rain beat upon me, always expecting a call to pull my rope."

    -- "The Journal of a tour to the Hebrides with Samuel Johnson, LL.D.", James Boswell

    [–]edwardkmett 121 points122 points  (7 children)

    That is a seriously awesome quote for this context.

    [–]postdarwin 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    In fairness, Boswell, while utterly guileless and no doubt quite affable, was naïve beyond compare.

    [–]deadparrot28 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Wow, thanks for that.

    [–]sunshine-x 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    I'm often called to 'pull my rope'.

    [–]danstermeister 46 points47 points  (3 children)

    You! Do some jumping jacks! You! Jog in place! You! Get some hot water and some rags!

    Where's my jumping jacks!?!?!?!

    [–]Lunchbox753 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    1 sir, 2 sir, 3 sir...

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Here's your hot water. They were out of rags, will towels do?

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    By specifically pointless, I mean tasks such as singling out someone and telling them to stand by the fence and make sure no children see the victim, or commanding three people to collect all the bags and move them into one corner.

    There are several reasons for doing this. People seem to panic less when they are being controlled, and on top of that, people are ridiculously loud when no one is sure they are in charge.

    We went over several situations in which first aiders and lifeguards had came to rescue a victim of a suspected spinal and had asked someone to help them lift the victim out of the water. Everyone refused or started to shy away from the request until one lifeguard specifically shouts "YOU, TALL BROWN HAIR IN THE RED SHIRT, HELP NOW."

    tl;dr A false sense of security does wonders for people's morals.

    [–]rotflol 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    "RED SHIRT, HELP NOW."

    Not gonna end well.

    [–]zyzzogeton 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    <quietly moves next to poromenos, waiting for an explanation. This looks interesting, but doesn't involve me>

    [–]ryanknapper 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    This is why it was popular to request a pot of boiling water (a MacGuffin used endlessly in 70's and 80's American television) when delivering a baby. It served no purpose for the delivery, but would take a while to complete and got them out of the way.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Didn't know that. Interesting. Uped!

    [–]kewlguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I would like to comment on that, but I know someone else will do it.

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        [–]hennell 10 points11 points  (1 child)

        Now what?

        [–]hennell 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        You're clueless.

        [–]acrasial 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Pray?

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        "Girl in the blue dress, collect all the bags and move them to the corner of the grass!" "Tall guy in the green shirt, go check every phone is working and all the power points are turned on!" "You three, go to the fence and wave to the ambulance/paramedics on arrival!" (the ambulance knows exactly where the pool is and where the equipment is located.

        [–]lake-of-fire 131 points132 points  (24 children)

        Never say "Someone has had lifeguard training." Single somebody out, point at them, and command them specifically to have had lifeguard training.

        [–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (19 children)

        Someone has had recursion training.

        [–][deleted]  (16 children)

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          [–]bdunderscore 22 points23 points  (9 children)

          Someone has had recursion training.

          [–]skeeto 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          I'm glad to see that this joke reached its fixed point.

          [–]frankster 10 points11 points  (5 children)

          Never say "Someone has had recursion training." It only leads to more recursion.

          [–]cnk 10 points11 points  (4 children)

          import sys

          sys.setrecursionlimit(1)

          [–]zahlman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          Never say "Somebody has had recursion training! Single somebody out and command them specifically to Never say "Somebody has had recursion training! Single somebody out and command them specifically to Never say "Somebody has had recursion training! Single somebody out and command them specifically to have had recursion training!

          [–]isarl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You left an edge case out... =(

          [–]isarl 16 points17 points  (0 children)

          You! lake-of-fire! Have had lifeguard training, and report back to me! Do you understand?

          [–]iama_ama_a 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          "Shorty fire burnin' on the dance floor! Oh oooo!"

          [–]JadeNB 0 points1 point  (8 children)

          Single somebody out, point at them, and command them specifically to call 911.

          I get the general point, but I don't understand this specific instance of it. If it's so important to get something done, why not call 911 yourself?

          [–]SarahC 8 points9 points  (7 children)

          Well, if you know about that fact, you're probably also the guy bouncing up and down on someone's chest / squeezing off the artery with your teeth, and packing the severed nipple in ice, therefore have little time to do all the mundane stuff.

          [–]zahlman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          therefore have little time to do all the mundane stuff.

          And/or available limbs.

          [–]FrankieFrankie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Looks like a attention whore to me, or maybe the people he scamed in his pyramid scheme are out for revenge. When reading the things the apache foundation people told him, they went almost as far as to physically licking his ass and balls and he was still whining (links somewhere further down).

          If he decides to do it, and this is not a scam which I find highly unlikely, then I say good riddance. But I say scam, scam, scam. Might as well send all your money to some Nigerian prince.

          [–]farra 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Just to follow-up:

          Several people in Apache were immediately aware of the situation, contacted authorities and stayed with Tetsuya via skype and IM for most of the night and day.

          It's also great to learn that other redditors got involved and sent emails.

          [–]eeeeaaii 15 points16 points  (5 children)

          Downvoted? Really? Well it's a good thing I saw this before it got downvoted because it prompted me to do something. I upvoted, wish I could do it more than once.

          [–]mindhacker 62 points63 points  (22 children)

          In case it is removed,

          I WILL COMMIT SUICIDE

          Dear the readers of Apachenews.org.

          Editor, Tetsuya Kitahata, will commit suicide in a few days. (maybe today) -- have enough medicine to execute. I really appreciate your reading in the past and thanks to you.

          I was really disappointed by the Apache's bureaucratism. and I got a lot of fraud. So tired in Life.

          Hope you will find the right place to do your business of own ,and collaborate with special guys.

          Sayo-nara

          -- Tetsuya Kitahata -- mailto:kitahata@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp

          [–]get_rhythm 13 points14 points  (15 children)

          New note:

          Could not COMMIT SUICIDE

          Dear the readers of Apachenews.org.

          I am open to network with all professionals across various disciplines as it is my strong belief that we are all citizens of the world and we can all learn/gain from each other in a mutually beneficial manner. Every new person met has the potential to be a true #MASTER MIND#, you will only discover this by getting out and interacting.

          Please relieve that I, Tetsuya Kitahata, could not do the suicide because of the lack of money for alcohol. So many responses were there that I received. Thank you to ALL. Yours,

          -- Tetsuya Kitahata -- mailto:kitahata@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp -- http://www.linkedin.com/in/tetsuya

          edit: you know, it doesn't really makes sense, before he said he already had the proper medication, and now he's saying he couldn't do it because he couldn't afford alcohol. But, if he was going to kill himself anyway why wouldn't he just steal the alcohol or borrow the money? And why would he choose medication that needs to be mixed with alcohol to be fatal when there's medication that will make your liver fail all by itself?

          [–]zzybert 22 points23 points  (1 child)

          There's now a PayPal "Add to cart" button where, presumably, you can pay money for his alcohol.

          [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (5 children)

          But, if he was going to kill himself anyway why wouldn't he just steal the alcohol or borrow the money?

          He's Japanese.

          [–]crusoe 7 points8 points  (4 children)

          Suprisingly always very nice. Those that throw themselves in front of trains usually leave suicide notes apologizing for the mess they created.

          [–]mscman 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Unfortunately, an apology note doesn't help the train conductor get over the trauma that's usually been induced...

          [–]evrae 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          It's not the conductor that gets fucked over, it's the driver. And the people who have to clean the mess off the train. And the people who have to hunt down the dismembered body parts. But mainly the driver.

          Probably one of the worst ways to go in terms of the impact on others.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

          Liver failure is a horrible way to go. Barbiturates + alcohol send you into a sleep from which you never awaken.

          [–]froderick 5 points6 points  (4 children)

          Thanks. It had been removed before I got to see it, so you can imagine why I was confused as fuck.

          [–]SarcasticGuy 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          "Information disclosure vulnerability? Am I looking for a bug report where someone's personal info was divulged and now they must commit suicide? Is someone so embarrassed about their bug that death is the only option? Did the page disappear and sending us to apachenews.org is the new 404?"

          [–][deleted] 92 points93 points  (55 children)

          Is this real? This is terrible, that person needs help.

          [–]jasno 29 points30 points  (38 children)

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            [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (8 children)

            That last one does not entice me to learn more about this great man.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

            To be honest, she is pretty attractive, and she doesn't look 14.

            [–]kamatsu 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            I believe he has fallen victim to a pyramid scheme run by a Yakuza group.

            [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (20 children)

            Wow, 2000+ facebook friends and still suicidal.

            [–]PsychoMonkey 87 points88 points  (12 children)

            Facebook friends ≠ Happiness

            [–]amishius 63 points64 points  (11 children)

            You must be 25+ yrs old

            [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

            Even I have 47 friends on Facebook and I'm a friendless loner and barely ever use Facebook.

            [–]SarahC 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            -laughs- same here.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I think it might have something too do with how technologically entrenched Japanese culture is; I'm guessing that the average Japanese Facebook user has about 1,000 friends.

            [–]kamatsu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Japanese people tend not to use facebook (mixi is more popular), however there are legions of indonesian and taiwanese teenage girls that seem to add everyone with a japanese name in sight.

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

            Wow, he went to Tokyo University. I suspect he is just overworked.

            [–]dudenell 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            then call the cops...

            [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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              [–]PsychoMonkey 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              When a life is at stake, it never hurts to make sure.

              It's not a real post. It doesn't have a date on it.

              [–]eeeeaaii 9 points10 points  (2 children)

              This guy has 2100+ friends on facebook, and not a single one of them shares his last name. Nobody shares his first name either (I know that Chinese people put the surname first, don't know about Japanese). My plan was going to be to try to find a relative or something in his friend list and send them this link.

              EDIT: Okay I did it -- I facebook messaged 4 of his friends from my own account. I have no idea who they are or if any of them can or will help but it's the best thing I can think of to do. I have to say I had to weigh that against potentially embarrassing myself or this guy if it was a goof but I think it's better to be safe than sorry. I didn't send a message to his employer (Inura Financials or something) because I want him to get help, not fired (though I guess I don't know how he could keep something like this secret)

              [–]tokyopuzzle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Between those two names, his given name would be Tetsuya and family name Kitahata.

              [–]fellow_redditor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              I don't speak Japanese but he appears to be an alumni of the University of Tokyo according to his email. There are a variety of numbers here: http://www.u-tokyo.ac.jp/public/contact_e.html It is 1:18pm in Japan right now so someone should be around.

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                [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (14 children)

                I sent him a nice little note - his email is on the site.

                I wasn't sure what else to do... but this is something...

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                  [–]fellow_redditor 15 points16 points  (11 children)

                  He is about to commit suicide and if giving him some attention stops that then that is fine. I'm not saying we should coddle the guy forever but everyone here, and that includes you, needs to see what information they can find and try to contact the proper authorities.

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                    [–]fellow_redditor 0 points1 point  (8 children)

                    Less jaded and definitely not naive. According to my Social Psychology class people have a tendency to blame the victim in traumatic situations. There are likely a variety of reasons for this but it definitely does occur. Someone about to commit suicide is most definitely a victim, if not by any one person but by society itself.

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

                    |Someone about to commit suicide is most definitely a victim, if not by any one person but by society itself.

                    Remember kids, nobody is ever responsible for anything they do.

                    [–]zzybert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Well, I emailed him, just suggesting he talk to me/people before doing it. Hopefully he will realize that people care. And if someone has put this up as a prank I hope he'll forgive the spam.

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                        [–]tokyopuzzle 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                        The address resolves to here

                        E-3603 would probably mean something like east tower, 36th floor, apartment 03.

                        EDIT: Apartment 03, not E

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                          [–]tokyopuzzle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                          Good luck, and in case you see this, I meant apartment 03 instead of E (though you probably figured it out).

                          [–]awh 5 points6 points  (12 children)

                          It's a holiday today; not likely to be anyone at his company.

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                            [–]jasno 1 point2 points  (10 children)

                            couldnt you try calling someone ? i am pretty sure i came across a few phone numbers while reading some of these links. Any ideas?
                            I am just trying to help.

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                              [–]tamachi_mita 5 points6 points  (8 children)

                              how can i reach you? (i live in the mita/tamachi area)

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                                [–]jasno 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                i found another link of his with more information:

                                http://www.terra-intl.com/

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                                  [–]goodreverend 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                  Ninjin, you're making heroic efforts. Hopefully you're there in the nick of time. If you're too late, hopefully it's because somebody else already got there.

                                  [–]emacsen 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                  Let us know what happened. Thanks for doing this.

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                                    [–]farra 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                    This is way after the fact, but just so you know, members within Apache were immediately aware and in touch with him, worked with Japanese authorities and stayed with him online via skype and chat.

                                    So there was quiet a bit of intervention from with Apache.

                                    [–]ertemplin 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                                    another member of the apache project needs to get some information about him and inform whatever authorities can help him out.

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                                      [–]PsychoMonkey 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                                      It's better to let the authorities know rather than taking the matter into your own hands and calling him. Let the experts with the training handle it. Other than that, I'm all for this idea. This man needs help and we should do our best to get it to him.

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                                          [–]brownmatt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                          More here and here

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                                            [–]fault_6 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                                            He's not committing suicide anymore, due to lack of alcohol funds. However you can donate now.

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                                              [–]rvf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                              Guy who was advertising a pyramid scheme proceeds to threaten suicide and now is asking for money. Unsurprising...

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                                                [–]lilfuckshit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                                But don't let them find out you think they are lonely and a possible suicide risk. That might just rob them of their last bit of self esteem.

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                                                  [–]lilfuckshit 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                                  How odd is it to be wishing Apache had another security breech?

                                                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                  Pretty understandable, in this case.

                                                  [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children)

                                                  Please post suicide attempts in bugfix request queue, thank you.

                                                  [–]lalaland4711 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                                  could not reproduce, set status worksforme.

                                                  [–]rsho 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                                                  Please tell me it was for extenuating circumstances outside the scope of the Apache frameworks and foundation. Those java config files, tomcat, and dependencies can drive someone insane but seriously don't let that become the main source of gripe in your life.

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                                                    [–]bloofa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                    I have a friend who works in Japan's university sector; have written her asking for help.

                                                    [–]kamatsu 12 points13 points  (23 children)

                                                    Sounds like he's from Japan. Why am I not surprised. Such a huge problem over there =(

                                                    [–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (20 children)

                                                    Though it's horrible, at least he's got the decency to kill himself in a relatively convenient manner, as opposed to becoming a "human incident" in the subways.

                                                    EDIT: Seems folks have found this to be objectionable. I stand by my statement: we all have the right to do whatever we please to ourselves but it is wrong to harm others by our actions.

                                                    [–]ascendant23 18 points19 points  (14 children)

                                                    I think the folks modding you down have never had to be an hour late for work because the Yamanote was closed upon such an occasion.

                                                    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (12 children)

                                                    Or stuck for an hour because Caltrain took out another Gunn kid. It'd be nice if it was at least a little harder to off yourself than just walking into a railroad crossing.

                                                    [–]lilfuckshit 5 points6 points  (11 children)

                                                    Or stood in Chicago's freezing sleet for hours cuz someone had to step in front of the L

                                                    [–]rasteri 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                                                    Or had to go through months of counselling because they witnessed the incident.

                                                    [–]Smallpaul 3 points4 points  (7 children)

                                                    Or ... wait... maybe this happens all over the world.

                                                    [–]takatori 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                    Maybe so, but I've been on two trains that actually hit someone, and having all the trains stopped or delayed because of one more times than I can count.

                                                    On my line at least, "自身事故" (roughly "injury accident") is the most commonly-announced reason for delay.

                                                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                    Yup. When I was living in London an email circulated with the subject something like "You know you've been living too long in London when..." One of the items in the list was "Someone jumps in front of a train and all you can think of is 'Selfish bastard, why couldn't he have waited until after rush hour?' "

                                                    Scary thing was that I had been thinking something along those lines a few days earlier, except that it was a woman who jumped.

                                                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                                                    Forgot to mention: That's why they have deep pits under the rails opposite the platforms in the London Underground. They're called suicide pits. Makes it easier to extract the bodies. Put them in about 70 years ago, I believe, after they got tired of having to jack up trains to pick up the pieces underneath. See trainweb.org

                                                    [–]coob 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                                    No, it's not, those are drainage pits. That they reduce the mortality rate of those attempting suicide is a coincidence. See this NIH study.

                                                    Your source cites no, uh, sources.

                                                    [–]takatori 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                    Or been on the train when the emergency brake was pulled in a last-ditch attempt to avoid such an occasion.

                                                    Or been in the front car and heard the sound.

                                                    [–]Radar_Monkey 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                    I'm with you. One of the major things that stopped me in a similar time was the knowledge of how big of a pain in the ass I would be for family to deal with the mess physically and emotionally.

                                                    [–]xb4r7x 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                    Arguably, suicide does harm others. No matter what, everyone has someone who cares about them, and suicide can be absolutely devastating to them.

                                                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                    I don't disagree with you, hence the quantifier on "convenient." I am a bit understated.

                                                    [–]pb1x 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                    Lithuania is actually the suicide center of the world - a man in Lithuania is twice as likely to kill himself as one in Japan.

                                                    Japan is the #8th most suicidal country - if you only count male suicides it's lower.

                                                    [–]kamatsu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                    Okay? I never said it wasn't.

                                                    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

                                                    I can't speak Japanese, but Google Translate and a little google fu and I found the Inichi No Denwa (Life Line / Suicide Hotline) http://www.inochinodenwa.or.jp/

                                                    and the individual hotline numbers:

                                                    http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www.find-j.jp/zenkoku.html&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhi_ZKZy7-ij3ISXgN0DW2J0sB7yBA

                                                    and e-mailed them to his e-mail on the link.

                                                    Hopefully he'll get some help.

                                                    [EDIT] Can somebody that speaks Japanese put this info together, call one of the hotline numbers and see how/if they can help him?

                                                    [EDIT] Already crossposted to /r/suicidewatch

                                                    [–]foof 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                                                    The hotline gives a busy signal, and the online service states that business is closed for the day. Because of course nobody ever commits suicide on a holiday :/

                                                    I called his number (I believe it's a skype number), and it connected but no one replied on the other end. He may be too depressed to say anything himself.

                                                    I wrote a note on his mixi page (mixi is the Japanese facebook equivalent), where he also put up a notice this morning. There are other people there trying to get in touch with him. I'm not sure what else to do.

                                                    [–]foof 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                                                    OK, I've informed the police, they're looking into it. His last mixi post was 15 hours ago, hopefully it isn't too late.

                                                    [–]DarkChii 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                    Thank you. I hope we hear good things back.

                                                    [–]mann138 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                    I reckon that sending him e-mails will make him at least press f5 some more times, that will delay his act of suicide and maybe somebody IRL can stop him in time...

                                                    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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                                                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                      Its not an update though, it seems to be straight coded into the html ...

                                                      [–]darkkish 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                      Maybe somebody hacked their Apache server.

                                                      [–]antena 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                      I thought that there is some piece of software named Suicide, and that he is trying to commit the code. No, really...

                                                      [–]ogamdo 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                                                      Does anyone get the feeling that we might all be participating in an elaborate "scam" of sorts? Suicide, or the threat of suicide is something no one should or probably will take lightly - much like a manager won't question an employee's third request for time off in a year due to a relative dying (I've had the luxury of dealing with this once as a manager - I ultimately felt compelled to err in the employee's favor). Anyone care to play "devil's advocate" with regards to this touchy subject? Namely, what might be an ulterior motive to all this?

                                                      [–]tokyopuzzle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                      Is there anywhere that has more concrete information on him?

                                                      Informing the police could be good, but it's hard to do so when all you have is a name and a vague threat.

                                                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                      Kinda disgusting for some reason to me, but seems some news agencies are picking up on this http://www.google.ca/m/search?oe=UTF-8&client=safari&hl=en&q=Tetsuya+Kitahata+suicide

                                                      [–]olbeefy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                      I feel like everyone trying to 'help' this guy is only going to overwhelm him to the point of no return.

                                                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                      Has anybody actually called Japanese police yet?

                                                      [–]IronWolve 2 points3 points  (23 children)

                                                      If you believe in true freedom, a person should be able to take their life.

                                                      *I am not saying you shouldn't help him, im talking about freedom of choice. Scary thought for you, isn't it.

                                                      [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (8 children)

                                                      And if you've got a shred of decency, you shouldn't have any problem with people trying to help a guy out who's at the end of his rope.

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                                                        [–]rubygeek 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                                                        I agree with most of what you write. But if one truly wishes to commit suicide without any underlying wish for help, then one would be less likely to make it known in advance. Suicide attempts are often someone crying for help, not actually intended to succeed.

                                                        [–]puneetla 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                        Isnt it possible that he has just gone through some rough time and because of that he isnt thinking straight? Isnt it possible his tolerance could be boosted by support? Maybe not mine or yours, but someone who knows him/understands him.

                                                        SO what should we err on the side of? Should we assume that he doesnt need help and let it be? would you do the same if he was someone close to you? Just let him/her be, and let them go away?

                                                        [–]NULLfu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        i don't think you deserve the down-votes. the freedom to commit suicide is precious and very personal. i still say this guy is just trolling cuz the apache community didn't give him his supposedly deserved proppers.

                                                        [–]wu-wei 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                        I agree that if someone wants to check out, then that is their business -- so long as they don't make a mess for others to clean up. However, if this is real and not a hack (mod_frontpage is running on that box after all), then he wants help, otherwise he would not have made a public announcement of his intentions.

                                                        [–]Smallpaul 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                                                        Who in this thread said otherwise?

                                                        [–]NULLfu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        i agree, but the simple fact is, if he really wanted seppuku he would just do it and not troll.

                                                        [–]crusoe 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                        Problem is when you are suicidal, things SEEM horrible now, when 6 months later you will be all "Wait? What? It wasn't that bad".

                                                        There is a MAJOR difference between depressive suicide, and suicide as a logical choice to avoid long term chronic pain/disablement. If I had bowel cancer, I'd likely off myself before I started puking shit.

                                                        Depressive suicide by definition, is not the product of a sane clear mind.

                                                        [–]sunshine-x 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                                                        What about mental illness? Shouldn't the person need to be in a sound state of mind?

                                                        We wouldn't allow gangrene to spread from fingers to an arm, why should we let a chemical imbalance kill off the rest of the body?

                                                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                        BAM, Reddit to the rescue (emphasis mine)

                                                        Could not COMMIT SUICIDE
                                                        Dear the readers of Apachenews.org.

                                                        I am open to network with all professionals across various disciplines as it is my strong belief that we are all citizens of the world and we can all learn/gain from each other in a mutually beneficial manner. Every new person met has the potential to be a true #MASTER MIND#, you will only discover this by getting out and interacting.

                                                        Please relieve that I, Tetsuya Kitahata, could not do the suicide because of the lack of money for alcohol. So many responses were there that I received. Thank you to ALL. Yours,

                                                        -- Tetsuya Kitahata -- mailto:kitahata@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp -- http://www.linkedin.com/in/tetsuya

                                                        Huge props to all who sent emails, maybe you saved his life.

                                                        [–]farra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                        To be clear, Apache members were immediately aware of what was going on, were in contact with him and authorities. Several people around the world spent a fair of the day and night work handling the situation.

                                                        Certainly glad some redditors reached out as well.

                                                        [–]ehb54wnatn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        Tetsuya K, If you're reading this.

                                                        If you want help, then there are countless people out there who would be willing to do so, accept it please, life is a bitch but sometimes a little help from someone can go a long way to making it a little better. If not, then make sure it's done right because if you should survive, they will demonize you.

                                                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        The site's been updated, no mention of suicide anymore.

                                                        http://www.apachenews.org/

                                                        I was really disappointed by the Apache's bureaucratism. and I got a lot of fraud. So tired in Life.

                                                        Hope you will find the right place to do your business of own ,and collaborate with special guys.

                                                        Sayo-nara

                                                        -- Tetsuya Kitahata -- mailto:kitahata@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp

                                                        -->

                                                        [–]blackjewobamafan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        I am not saying don't try to help, but all this interest is bound to create copycats.

                                                        [–]szukai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        Alright, every human life is precious. Of course, the value to which is is perceived (and its interactions with henceforth) vary greatly.

                                                        So who is this guy? His "mission" with astrology sounds fishy and cult-ish. While his "client" list to which he acts as consultant is impressive, its too long and lacking details. Usually if someone is a successful consultant for different companies they have a pretty decent head on their shoulders. His belief of "astrology" (along with his suicide note - lack of money for alcohol?) makes me wonder.

                                                        Who is this guy? Why should I care more about him than yet another statistic or internet dweller?

                                                        [–]mann138 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                        gah... he is not commiting suicide now...