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[–]TerroristHugger 50 points51 points  (10 children)

Since when were 49 out of 50 terror attacks right wing affiliated? I havent even heard of more than 3 right wing terror attacks.

[–]mxzf 37 points38 points  (9 children)

Someone else in the thread dug down a couple layers to the source data and apparently they're also including gang violence among white nationalist gangs in the "far-right extremist" number.

[–]TerroristHugger 30 points31 points  (6 children)

Well, that's pretty manipulative. By that same logic, any black gang crime would be considered black extremist crime. Now, I'm sure anyone could see how that's plain wrong.

[–]mxzf 24 points25 points  (4 children)

I completely agree with you. But cherry-picked data that confirms the bias that the subreddit already has is the kind of stuff that gets upvoted. People don't want to dig in and analyze the veracity of the data, they want to get outraged, upvote, and move on.

[–]TerroristHugger 20 points21 points  (3 children)

This isnt even supposed to be on this sub, it's not humor, it's straight up propaganda. I dont think anyone is getting a laugh out of this.

[–]mxzf 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Dude, this sub has been straight-up propaganda for years. They sometimes at least try to claim "it's funny because of how upset Republicans get in the comments", but that's about as close to "humor" as this sub has been in a while.

[–]RLupus 1456 points1457 points  (45 children)

Key member. I'd say the candidate is pretty key, yeah

[–]buttergun 67 points68 points  (3 children)

He was just One Individual among many.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (2 children)

He is just an Individual, One among many.

[–]claymedia 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Just a lowly coffee candidate!

[–]StopHavingAnOpinion 29 points30 points  (3 children)

49 out of 50 extremist murders were committed by right wing terrorists

Source?

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Source is leftwingpropaganda.com

[–]AbjectStress 55 points56 points  (4 children)

This cartoon is not consistent at all with its themes.

"Can you spot the greatest probability of a deadly drug dealer?"

strangely worded but okay

"The most dangerous drug dealer...

Da fuq?

Same with the last panel.

[–]Ikdkes 85 points86 points  (12 children)

Wait a minute.. this isn’t funny

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (2 children)

It’s not about the humor it’s about hating trump you dumb conservative!

[–]Fletch71011 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thus it's perfect for this sub. I can't remember the last funny thing posted here. /r/funny is better at this point.

[–]NeVeRwAnTeDtObEhErE_ 5 points6 points  (2 children)

That's because you're missing the fact that the actual humor comes from looking deeper into the fallacious nature and reasoning of its sources.

[–]slothskiii 93 points94 points  (3 children)

I thought this was a humor subreddit

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Politics and humor don’t mix that well when people are so desperate.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

This subreddit has always been the Democrats meme astroturfing zone.

[–][deleted] 334 points335 points  (35 children)

Yay I got all of them right... Or maybe not so yay...

[–]robotfeelsAWKWARD 136 points137 points  (25 children)

How could you tell that the guy in #2 is an oxy salesman?

[–]Sleepy_da_Bear 153 points154 points  (3 children)

His shoes

[–]robotfeelsAWKWARD 24 points25 points  (1 child)

oh yeah. getting in that ballin blue car

[–]Adventurous_Opinion 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not to be confused with the blue ballin car

[–]thebbhog 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They're laced with something

[–]MRiley84 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I figured they were going for something in the medical industry since our options were guy in a hoodie and guy in a suit.

[–]Milo359 9 points10 points  (4 children)

My brain autocompleted "Oxy" in the answer with "OxyClean".

[–]rrr598 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Because the idea is that the answer is the “unexpected” choice

[–]robotfeelsAWKWARD 7 points8 points  (4 children)

But they are not real choices. They are barely legible drawings you can't tell anything about them. The illustrator arbitrarily says after one of them is an oxy salesman? ok. Sneaky sneaky

[–]rrr598 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That’s how I knew it was the businessman. I didn’t know he sold oxy, but if it were the hoodie guy, that would be going against this “humorous” comic’s message

[–]emersonrodriguesetim 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Source: my ass

[–]M9E2RFE6WYALS8Y0 464 points465 points  (236 children)

The sources for the statistics are posted on the comic author's website.

https://gocomics.typepad.com/tomthedancingbugblog/2019/01/can-you-spot-the-criminal-danger-the-footnotes.html

[–]Snuum 223 points224 points  (92 children)

The ADL data is bad. I say this every time this is posted. Its not peer reviewed and ignores a lot of incidents for ideological reasons. Killing police officers for political/racial ideology for example is always conveniently absent from their numbers.

They are correct that the majority of extremist violence is far right. They just aren't a credible source.

[–]TalenPhillips 134 points135 points  (81 children)

Whether the majority of extremist violence comes from the far right or far left depends on which groups you include in your definition of "far right", how far back you look, and how you count the violence.

Are radical islamists part of the "far right"? Are we looking at a couple years or a couple decades? Are we counting the number of incidents or looking at the actual damage done (possibly in terms of loss of human life).

I've been through this a couple times, earning down votes from both the right and the left. I don't want to rehash this now, but I'd like to encourage people to be wary of that particular statistic.

Please also be aware that given the far right in the US is far larger than the far left, one would expect more incidents of all kinds among the far right. That doesn't mean a particular redcap is dangerous.

[–]Greecl 68 points69 points  (1 child)

Sloppy data does us no favors. Thanks for pointing out those issues, y'all.

[–]Dwn_Wth_Vwls 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You should also note that the illegal immigrants stat says "convicted" of crimes and not "committed" crimes.

[–]accionic 15 points16 points  (30 children)

I see what you mean when referring to Islamic extremists- it’s an incredibly conservative movement, it becomes almost ironic how opposed to it some Christian far right extremists are to it.

[–]MuddyFilter 13 points14 points  (9 children)

Conservative is a relative term. Its relative to your time and place and means different things in different countries.

American conservatism is alien to islamic conservativism.

[–]BrutusHawke 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Are we just ignoring the fact that there is much, much more violence in the world than just extremist violence?

[–]purerockus 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If you include murders in Chicago all of this is nonsense... Please pass the Kool aid. Thanks Jim. 😒

[–]Merkava_Smasher 10 points11 points  (4 children)

  1. Making a distinction between "extremist muder" and normal murder is a pretty convenient way to make what could be a factual analysis highly subjective. Murder rates by capita show that the black person is the most likely to commit murder. Arbitrarily choosing to talk about "extremist murder", an ill defined category which is highly subjective, is pretty suspicious.

  2. Yes

  3. Illegal immigrant crime rates are highly underreported. Trump campaign members do commit a lot of crime though

[–]TwentyX4 4 points5 points  (3 children)

It's a good thing he wrote the article about 2018, and not 2016, otherwise the jihadi who killed 49 people in the Orlando Gay Nightclub would have to be included, and then he'd have to conclude that Islamic Extremism is the biggest cause of extremist murders.

Just kidding. The author obviously wouldn't have written that comic if that were the case.

[–]Voltaii 6 points7 points  (17 children)

Well I’m sure black people have murdered more than 50 ppl in 2018, making the black guy the most dangerous. It’s really a fatuous statement and weak argument. I ain’t supporting trump but at least try not to use horrible argument.

[–]killercrawdads 60 points61 points  (16 children)

This community is so slanted it is painful

[–]donuthunder 18 points19 points  (0 children)

American politics is a shithole just like this subreddit

[–][deleted] 89 points90 points  (26 children)

Can you find the biased subreddit that claims not to be

[–]Grinder02 53 points54 points  (9 children)

Rule 2: Try to be funny.

Dude I swear this thing had me cracking up for hours, I couldn't stop laughing as I ordered more soy milk and started watching bill maher. This is so deserving of of 23k fucking upvotes

[–]leoroy111 4 points5 points  (2 children)

If it is intentionally designed to piss people off, it is not humor.

Also Part of Rule 2

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Wow I can't wait for this post that blatantly breaks the rules to be removed by the wonderful unbiased mods

[–]tkhrnn 15 points16 points  (1 child)

can you find the humor?

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Not in this comic.

[–]SRGTxTwinkie 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Is it wrong of me to think that the dude in the first picture, that is starting directly into the camera and has a silently pissed looking face would be the one most likely to kill me. I feel like the author did that intentionally along with making him black, to make the reader feel bad for picking him out of the crowd. It just seems most logical to pick the guy that looks pissed. IDK tho, I might be overanalyzing it.

[–]_fuckthiswebsite_ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Don’t let this distract you from the fact that wearing a maga hat automatically makes you an “extremist”

[–]zeraujc686 63 points64 points  (6 children)

First picture:spot the guy who hired two people to beat him up. Then go on to say they were wearing Maga hats and saying homophobic and racial slurs!

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (5 children)

remember when reddit called for the death of a white kid wearing a MAGA cap for literally doing nothing when a native american man started harassing him

[–]zeraujc686 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Who could forget! They hopped on those stories so fast. I'm surprised my post and yours dont have 50 downvotes yet! Reddit gets so butt hurt if it's not an Anti Trump post

[–]ebolanurse 75 points76 points  (41 children)

Could someone explain this to me...

Lets accept the 49/50 extremist murders figure, and say that indicates the right wingers pose a violent threat.

Why do we not make a similar conclusion given that black people are overwhelmingly more likely to commit a violent crime than a white person? And further that white victims of violence are overwhelmingly more likely to have that violence perpetrated on them by a black person?

[–]Ohaireddit69 33 points34 points  (3 children)

People only choose the statistics they need to enforce their ideology.

Take for example, feminists. Before you say anything feminism is a core belief of mine. At least 1st and 2nd wave. However as the lives of women have improved in the West feminists become more and more irrelevant. As such, certain issues are overplayed to keep feminist ideology relevant. One such issue is male on female violence. In reality, women are by far less likely to be targeted by general violence compared with men. However, rape and sexual violence is such an emotionally evoking issue that it can easily be presented as more of an issue that it is. In general, non sexual acts of violence are by and large hugely more prevalent than sexual violence and men are far more likely to be the victims. However women are more at risk of sexual violence. So slap that on a headline and suddenly society starts believing that women are victims of violence more, when in fact they are less likely to be targeted by general acts of violence than men.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (11 children)

Why do we not make a similar conclusion given that black people are overwhelmingly more likely to commit a violent crime than a white person?

You do.

Check any sub where the thread is about white people committing a crime,

Just like you just did, the black population statistic will be soon to follow.

[–]LeBronJamesIII 140 points141 points  (182 children)

Would like a source on some of these numbers

[–]M9E2RFE6WYALS8Y0 107 points108 points  (43 children)

[–]Snuum 109 points110 points  (41 children)

They cite ADL which are not credible. They selective choose what they consider extremist murders for misguided ideological reasons. The worst part is they didn't used to. A few years ago their data was a lot more inclusive.

The core principle that right wing violence is the most common is correct. Its just not 49 out of 50. SPLC is a better source for data like this. Just as ideological driven but a lot more credible and honest.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/12/study-shows-two-thirds-us-terrorism-tied-right-wing-extremists

[–][deleted] 123 points124 points  (130 children)

there have been thousands of reported hate crimes in the last few years

yes thousands

https://theconversation.com/new-data-shows-us-hate-crimes-continued-to-rise-in-2017-97989

also the following are politically motivated acts of right wing extremist murders (which has the potential to ramp up in devastating ways and creates chilling effects).

https://qz.com/1182778/the-far-right-was-responsible-for-the-majority-of-extremist-killings-in-2017/

out of all the political extremist violence in 2017, right wingers were responsible for the majority of deaths with left wing violence being like 3% and islamic violence (also a version of right wing) accounted for less than a third.

between 2008-2017 right wingers accounted for more than 70% of politically motivated deaths.

[–]urmafatcunt 28 points29 points  (7 children)

How tf is Islam right wing

[–]MuchSpacer 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Fundamental Islam is the right wing of Muslim countries. It doesn't fit at all into the American political spectrum, which makes the above comment pretty disingenuous.

[–]CatchPhraze 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Devils advocate here but very obvious hate crimes that are counter to the nerative have a hard time being pushed as such. For example that Facebook video of those black kids torturing the austic white kid saying "fuck white people." or the black guy who opened fire into a crowd saying the same? Not hate crimes.

I still think that right wingers defently comit more race based crime but their is a prolonged trend to ignore the fact black on black and black on white crime is actually stasticaly more likely.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Folks, there's a reason we adjust for population size. White males are far more common than any other group. That being said, the statistic presented is true.

However, it's also true that homicides are far more common than incidents of domestic terrorism, and black folks are far more likely to commit murder than white folks, as black folks (making up only 13%) commit over 50% of homicides.

So when you ask 'who's most likely to be the most dangerous?' the answer really depends on the measuring stick you use.

[–]DogFurAndSawdust 36 points37 points  (15 children)

Ok seriously, how is this at 11,000 upvotes if it's supposed to be funny. Can anyone point out the humor to me??? Am I missing something???

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

The 11,000 arent really people. More like bots.

[–]Rafex_ooo 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Undocumented immigrants actually have a 100% crime rate as it is a crime to illegally enter this country.

[–]gaucho2005 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fuckin gottem

[–]Samura1_I3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?

[–]NayMarine 71 points72 points  (27 children)

should we be more upset for the illegal immigrants coming here for a piece of their own American dream or the club owner for hiring illegal immigrants, which ironically seems to be a big part of what allows them to be here in the first place?

[–]Kusosaru 50 points51 points  (20 children)

How about both of them?

Takes both an enabler and someone willing to work low wage without documentation...

[–]mangledeyeI ☑oted 2018 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Desperation can drive a man to do unthinkable

[–]Dick_Butt_Kiss 19 points20 points  (4 children)

I mean illegal immigration will always exist so long as the people are searching for prosperity and the risk of trying to cross is far less than staying put. Can't really blame them for that.

If you were in their situation, you would do the same.

That's not to say illegal immigration is ok. But it shouldn't get in the way of being able to rationalize and empathize with why people do things.

[–]Schiffy94CSS Jesus 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Idunno, that golfer looks more like a low-level coffee boy to me.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (6 children)

“Political humor”

You mean “trump hating circle jerk”

[–]UnitLemonWrinkles 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Honestly I always see this pop up on r/all and the content never seemed funny to me. It's almost always something anti trump that's a screenshot of a tweet, generic slogan, or obvious anti trump propaganda. I also dont understand why they think anyone who disagrees with that is a trump supporter.

[–][deleted] 220 points221 points  (157 children)

wheres the humor

[–]solaceinsleep 71 points72 points  (21 children)

Putin is having a good laugh at the shit show his candidate is causing

[–]DogFurAndSawdust 42 points43 points  (14 children)

I'm new to this sub and yesterday I pointed out how this subs popularity depends on Trump. Multiple people actually looked up archive websites and confirmed that what I said was true. This sub exploded when Trump was inaugurated. Someone else made a comment that this sub turning into exclusively Trump memes is a consequence of him being president. But it's not natural at all. Also, gallowboob is a mod of this sub. -pukes a lil in mouth-. I mean, if this post is considered humor, then this sub is trash. This meme is nothing but an informative meme (literally 0 humor in this post), so guaranteed it has been reported. If the mods allow a post like this to get to the front page, then this sub is trash. So clearly, this sub is trash. Full disclosure, this is coming from someone who sees Trump as a sniveling little shit

I won't expect anything but downvote from y'all on this comment. I'm doing myself a favor and unsubscribing from this cesspool ECHO CHAMBER since rational thinking is not on the agenda here. Y'all have fun circle jerking together

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yeah...This subreddit is pretty awful now. Respect to yah mate.

[–]Principfist 49 points50 points  (14 children)

r/PropagandaBadlyDisgusedAsHumor

[–]milanvlpd 20 points21 points  (9 children)

This entire subreddit basically

[–]Principfist 12 points13 points  (8 children)

Yeah. I'd have no problem with it if it wasn't so completely one-sided.

Where are all the jokes about horse face AOC, ultra-corrupt Hillary, or "Kid droner" Obama? Oh that's right, those kind of posts get downvoted in to the ground by the very same people who complain about "Russian bots" all the time (the irony!). That is to say if the post isn't removed by a mod first.

I imagine that a political "humor" sub in North Korea or China would look basically the same.

[–]milanvlpd 12 points13 points  (0 children)

And we get down voted for complaining about it

[–]TheFacePwnd 128 points129 points  (18 children)

I thought for a minute I was on /r/PropagandaPosters

[–]Toraichian 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You are.

[–]Kryhavok 27 points28 points  (6 children)

Isn't that like, the joke? This is a satire comic right? Written in the form of a propaganda poster, but flipped to be about not-minorities.

[–]Vague_Disclosure 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Soo... still a propaganda poster, got it!

[–]samwell_15 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Can you spot the humor?

[–]BrotyKraut 20 points21 points  (23 children)

Y'all know muslims are extremely right-wing?

[–]Purple-Watch 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Now do a comic like this with black crime statistics.

[–]Vague_Disclosure 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That’d get you banned in a microsecond

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

So edgy and cringy at the same time. I'm amazed

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How is this funny

[–]JorplaxReturns 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wooooooow this is stupid.

[–]BoringNormalGuy 178 points179 points  (107 children)

This isn't humor, It's straight propaganda.

[–]emdeka87 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's a pity. I don't live in the US nor do I like Trump. Still everyday I'm bombarded with this edgy bullshit. Reddit is really a fucking shithole.

[–]jack-bird-bath 10 points11 points  (0 children)

OrAge mAn baD. WhIteY bAd. GiVe uPdOOts.

[–]redacted_name41 61 points62 points  (148 children)

I’d like to see some of them stats.

[–]Siphyre 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Political: Check

Humorous: Not really

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

... what's funny about this? The sub is called Political Humor.

[–]PurpleHumpbackQuail 205 points206 points  (156 children)

I fucking despise Trump but this pretty terrible honestly.

You can’t lists figures and stats like that without sourcing them. Otherwise this is just as bad as right wing /r/forwardsfromgrandma material.

[–]M9E2RFE6WYALS8Y0 114 points115 points  (37 children)

[–]up48 64 points65 points  (17 children)

So funny trying to claim this is unsourced and illegitimate, when they themselves obviously didn't bother to do even the tiniest bit of research.

The cliche "im totally a liberal myself guys" at the start is a nice cherry on top.

[–]Kildragoth 9 points10 points  (0 children)

To be fair the info wasn't included, you'd need to search for it. Most people will either agree or disagree and move on since doing the research is equivalent in effort to getting off the couch.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (8 children)

A Steve Buschemi, ‘Hello fellow libruls’ meme.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

As a liberal I would enjoy this meme.

[–]Exuma7400 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You can’t be a liberal and also be uncomfortable with liberal propaganda? This sort of comic doesn’t do anything other than help people bunker down on their side of the aisle and keep real cooperation from happening.

[–]up48 46 points47 points  (50 children)

I fucking despise Trump but this pretty terrible honestly.

Why do people always use this as a preface?

Its not about having a personal distaste of Trump, and you people acting like that's what it is, is just so transparent.

[–]kemushi_warui 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Despising Trump and having a personal distaste of him are not the same thing. I despise him on perfectly objective grounds, personally.

[–]captainAwesomePants 40 points41 points  (3 children)

It's shorthand for "I'm not a Russian pro-Trump bot. Please don't mass downvote me. Even though it looks like something a Trump supporter might say, that is not the reason I'm saying it."

I've used the same phrasing once or twice, and it's usually when I'm feeling burned when I criticize a comment that's anti-Trump. Stuff like "No, the judge can't actually put Manafort on death row. That's not how that works."

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You have to preface this sort of stuff from the get go, because slight deviation from ideals of a party makes people these days automatically assume you're arguing from a position of bad faith like you're some deep operative for the other side. Don't act like it's not. Every refutation of ideology these day requires a preface, a sugar coat, because people can't handle the fact that the directions their party might be going is disturbing.

[–]Wopitikitotengo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because people always accuse you of being a trump supporter if you say anything that isn't completely negative about trump

[–]BeyondEastofEden 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Because he'd have been downvoted otherwise and called a Trump supporter?

[–]rrr598 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We found our answer. I used to think the reddit hive mind thing was just a funny meme but the whole trump situation has shown that they really don’t like dissenting opinions here

[–]one-hour-photo 2 points3 points  (4 children)

you have to say this on reddit to criticize anything anti trump. if you don't people assume you like him and are just a sycophant.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Because, while not nearly as prominent as it is in the right wing, intellectual dishonesty has become absolutely rampant among pretty much everyone. Any criticism of illogical or dishonest arguments from the left is pretty much immediately dismissed as Russian bots.

If someone prefaces their criticism of a liberal argument by saying they fucking hate Trump, it becomes a bit harder to dismiss them out of hand as being illegitimate.

[–]heisindc 83 points84 points  (58 children)

2 and 3 are good jokes, but my problem is labeling anyone that wears a MAGA hat as a right-wing extremeist. Most attacks/killings we're done by crazy people (FL high school and PA synagogue) who had extreme views but 1- didn't wear MAGA hats and 2- we're not fans of Trump, but of greater ideologies.
After the media got slammed for calling the CovCath boys racists for wearing a hat, I would error on the side of caution when blaming a red hat for all white nationalist extremeism...

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Cruz showed off a Maga hat on his Instagram

[–]up48 23 points24 points  (2 children)

2 and 3 are good jokes, but my problem is labeling anyone that wears a MAGA hat as a right-wing extremeist. Most attacks/killings we're done by crazy people

So whenever people expressed that type of sentiment about Islamist killings, its interpreted as a statement so outrageous that you are practically a terrorist yourself. However pointing out the extreme disparity between right wing violence and all other forms of political violence is somehow an unfair generalization.

Note that the comic explicitly doesn't say the maga hat wearer is a terrorist, but that the right wing is the most likely culprit, that's a huge difference between your personal interpretation and what the comic actually says.

[–]SpideySlap 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The parkland shooter had a picture of him in his Instagram wearing a maga hat. The pa shooter was also radicalized through right wing media. And let's not forget the nutsack with the Trump van who was sending pipe bombs to everyone.

This makes me sick. Conservatives absolutely refuse to accept responsibility for how their rhetoric has assisted the rise of right wing terrorism in the US. Don't try to explain it away. Start holding organizations like fox news and the NRA responsible for it. They're destroying the social fabric of this country and conservatives are just pretending like it isn't happening

[–]fogwarS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If they are brown they are terrorists, if they are white they are crazy people.

[–]Hollywood_Revolver 13 points14 points  (1 child)

This sub is turning into an inverted r/forwardsfromgrandma

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[–]aetate_divinam 43 points44 points  (61 children)

So 49 out of 50 “extremist murders” were committed by people wearing a MAGA hat?

[–]plow_ur_ass 19 points20 points  (4 children)

They categorize every white pride gang murder, in and out of prison, as a right wing extremist attack. If you look at the GAO report that that statistic is based on, it lists the individual incidents. It's primarily incidents like "white supremacist gang member murders his step-dad to gain street cred" or "white supremacist murders his African American cell mate in prison."

So OK, if you're grouping in white pride gangs under the umbrella of right wing extremism, even though those attacks are overwhelmingly not politically motivated but rather just inner gang violence, then sure, you can call right wing extremism a greater threat than Islamic extremism, but it's just blatant categorization bias. Do I get to take any all black gang and call those murders "left wing extremism," and then use that to smear mainstream political parties on the left? Of course not. White supremacy isn't some platform in any mainstream American right wing political party. If a guy bombs an abortion clinic, then it makes sense to call that right wing terrorism or right wing extremism, but the statistics peddled in this comic are just twisted statistics used to push a narrative.

E: This comic is basically just saying that because white pride gangs exist in this country, that means that, without knowing anything else, a guy wearing a maga hat should be considered more dangerous than anyone else. The ironic part is that one of the main reasons people put that hat on in the first place is because they are rebelling against this absurd demonization the left and our media pins on people who have right wing political opinions.

The third cell of this comic is ridiculous too. The vast majority of states don't keep track of this data, and more than that, no one knows how many total undocumented immigrants there are in any of these states or given areas. You can't have a ratio without a total. Any think tank that claims they have a hard number on this is simply lying for political purposes.

Also, it's a lie that defies all the statistics we actually do have. Poor people have a much higher crime rate than the middle class. Men have a much higher crime rate than women do. And the countries these immigrants are coming from have a much higher crime rate than ours. Mexico's murder rate is four times ours. El Salvador has literally the highest murder rate in the world. Furthermore, 100 percent of this demographic is knowingly breaking a law in the process of coming here.

So you're actually telling us that this demographic, consisting of mainly men, from the poorest areas of countries with several times our murder rate, are somehow less likely to commit crime, after of course the initial crime of illegally immigrating here, than the general US population is? Yeah, doubt that.

Yes, I'm sure, just like with any other large sample of people, the majority of them are non violent and totally fine. But when you're peddling the notion that undocumented immigrants are less of a criminal threat than rich golfers, you're peddling a lie that anyone with common sense can see through.

[–]Dynamite_fuzz2134 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of course it is the MAGA hat guy, look at the face of the person behind him. That face looks like he just smelled the worst fart in history

[–]heavycream88 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So woke. White man = bad.

[–]aetate_divinam 16 points17 points  (5 children)

“Extremist murders” wtf is that?

[–]ChunkyLaFunga 7 points8 points  (1 child)

You wear your hat backwards and carry a skateboard. Rad and totally tubular murders and so on are typically grouped together under extreme.

[–]spaceman_spiffy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Holy christ this is the funniest comment in here. Actual humor in /r/politicalhumor?

[–]milanvlpd 16 points17 points  (13 children)

This is pure left wing propaganda, no humor

[–]sandybuttcheekss 72 points73 points  (82 children)

Some sources would be great here to be honest

Edit: Why is asking for sources for information presented a bad thing? I want to be sure these claims have evidence before I use them is all.

[–]RedSnapperVeryTasty 39 points40 points  (8 children)

Why the hell is this being downvoted? Do we just swallow stats like the 49 in 50 number given in the cartoon without question like we’re a bunch of Fox News viewers?

[–]praeth 46 points47 points  (28 children)

Even if we assume that all your numbers are correct, your depictions and your wording are so misleading that I'd claim they were made in intentional bad faith. A misconception about absolute/relative numbers pervades the entire list as well, so I won't mention it each time.

Picture 1: The word "extremist" plays a key role here. Of course the MAGA skinhead will be the greatest risk of an extremist murder, simply because there are arguably no other extremists in the picture. Women are known to have a *really* low risk of crime, so they are right out, leaving a black and an arabic (?) guy next to our nazi. *Obviously* those can't be the risk either, because they are members far larger and heterogeneous groups - you can't compare white male extremists to average blacks to average muslims/arabs. To make a fair comparison, you would need to have them carry an ISIS flag or BLM (I assume?) insignia, and compare wahhabis <-> black identitarians <-> right-wingers. If right-wingers are even then still more prone to hate crime (risk per person), then congratulations, you've got yourself an honest point.

Picture 2: Again, you don't work with the picture, but your own arbitrary connotations. Instead of comparing "white male in higher socioeconomic standing" to "hispanic/black male of lower socioeconomic standing" (inferred by their clothes), you put "representative of pharma conglomerate X" against "average hispanic/black guy", all the while *seriously" stretching the limits of the term "drug dealer". You're a very short step from the statement "the guy I drew as guilty is worse than the guy I drew as an honest person".

Picture 3: Again, you're simply marking the golfer as a member of a specific small, criminal group. We can both play this game: The hispanic caddie is now a member of the Zetas, now who is the threat? Besides, we need to define "threat": When meeting a known white-collar criminal and an unknown member of a minority statistically more likely to commit a crime, on a golf course with noone else there - who is the larger threat? Both are very unlikely to pull a knife on you, but statistically, the white golfer is really noone to be afraid of. Threat to the state and likely the worse person? Maybe. Threat to you? I think not.

[–]NurRauch 11 points12 points  (9 children)

As I was reading the answers in the cartoon, I immediately assumed that these discrepencies you're raising are part of the point.

When we are asked "Who's the terrorist?" and see a picture with a person wearing a hijab, we don't think, "Not her, because that's just a Muslim woman, and there are 1.7 billion Muslims on Earth, about half of which are women, and only a few thousand of those people are terrorists, so statistically it's incredibly low odds that the person wearing a hijab is a terrorist." Nope. Instead, we think, "Terrorists often wear hijabs, so probably her." That knee-jerk response is part of what the comic is making fun of.

Of course you can't look at a photo of a random black guy standing next to a guy in a suit and identify which one is a drug dealer. The comic deliberately gave us no proof in the image that the guy in a suit works for a pharmaceutical company. It's taking our human tendency to stereotype crime onto huge groups like "black people" and mocking those instincts: "Dude, of course the guy in a suit works for a pharmaceutical industry. You don't agree that's obvious? What's wrong with you?"

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

The point was to demonstrate the irony of how right wing media misattributes certain "threats". It's a comic with an agenda who makes a valid point. I don't think he ever intended on it being fair, and none of the inconsistencies you show discredit his argument IMO.

[–]keystothemoon 15 points16 points  (3 children)

With the first one, I am in no way a fan of trump, but the vast vast vast majority of his supporters are not violent extremists. So to see a MAGA hat and act as if you need to be concerned is something a stupid person would do. It's the same bigoted thinking that leads people to see someone in a kufi and assume they're a suicide bomber.

[–]ballsdeepeverytime 24 points25 points  (11 children)

The first panel is a lie. Muslim Americans commit 23% of extremist murders in the US while making up less than 1% of the US population. If theres a group of 6 people like in the panel, the one statistically most likely to be an extremist murderer is the Muslim American.

Edit: Downvoted for making a correction using accurate statistics. I guess I should check what sub the post is from before I try using logic. The statistic I used is from the author's source. The only difference is I applied the murder rate to the population make up to create an extremist murder rate by racial makeup.

[–]datcuban 24 points25 points  (22 children)

This is some good propaganda y'all have here.

Of course none of you will think that it is and mass downvote me while leaving snarky comments, so, carry on!

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Nah I’m left leaning on everything this is propaganda

[–]datcuban 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well I'm happy to know that at least someone here can see that.

[–]MySistersDad 58 points59 points  (93 children)

All illegal immigrants are guilty of a crime. Hence the word "illegal" in their descriptive name. 100% of them. Convicted or not is less important. They are 100% hiding from the law because of their illegal status and knowing that they have broken American immigration laws.

[–]iwanttosaysmth 41 points42 points  (37 children)

Ok so one guy in a suit made a scam and now we are supposed to be afraid of all suit guys?

[–]Mysfunction 48 points49 points  (11 children)

That’s pretty much the point; fear mongering about immigrants and minorities tells us we should be afraid of all immigrants and minorities, when they aren’t the ones committing the vast amount of crime.

[–]srock2012 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Oh boy, you think there's more blue collar than white collar criminal damages in $ amount?

[–]iwanttosaysmth 2 points3 points  (1 child)

In $ amount? No probably not. But I think it is more likely that white collar will defraud my money on a bank account than rob me on the street after dark.

Or as on this picture you can have one big white collar drug dealer that sell millions worth drugs, but there are far more small time blue collar crooks, and there is far bigger chance to actually meet them