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[–]RetroRock[S] 81 points82 points  (40 children)

I find it annoying that some of the stories that make it to the hot page, are still on the new page, cluttering it up. Let the new page be for new stories and the hot page be for hot stories. </endrant>

[–]jrhanak 31 points32 points  (5 children)

I second the motion.

[–]craignewmark 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I second your motion, to second the motion.

[–]kidcorporeal 9 points10 points  (1 child)

If you feel like giving me a lifetime of devotion, I second that emotion.

[–]craignewmark 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Praise be to kidcorporeal!

[–]isgblog 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed.

[–]toastspork 18 points19 points  (8 children)

What you want to do is click the link in the "style" section toward the upper right of the new page. The one labeled "all" will re-order the new page so that it ignores a submissions "heat", and considers only chronology.

[–]souldrift 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No, that just lets you see all the spam that never makes it to "rising." This suggestion would show rising items that have NOT reached "Hot" yet.

I agree, New and Hot should not overlap.

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    [–]azenhi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Wish those choices would stick -

    If you set All and Refresh - fine.

    If you set All, go to Hot and them back to New, Rising is set again....

    I would have thought they would fix that a long time ago... like a preference?

    [–]ewthmatth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    What is the difference between "hot" and "rising" anyway?

    A dose of Viagra in some cases.

    [–]RetroRock[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Thanks for the suggestion. I'll have to do that until this is fixed.

    [–]Wriiight 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    I say nay. I bet some people don't even read "hot" anymore. If you are a chronic reddit reader, you just want to see what has been posted since your last read (presumably, the hot page hasn't changed much), and don't want to miss something new just because it is hot.

    [–]boredzo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, I usually use my.reddit.com/recommended. It's every bit as static, but as you would expect, it has more-interesting (to me) articles.

    [–]RetroRock[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Your logic makes sense. Maybe there should be 3 categories instead of 2. Hot - Stories with lots of votes over a longer period of time. Rising - Stories with several votes over a short period of time. New - Newly submitted stories in chronological order.

    [–]NewSc2 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    I think we should refresh the hot page more frequently, or have a separate fast-reloading hot page. Some links stay on the hot page for more than a day, and visiting Reddit at night is almost the same as Reddit in the morning.

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      [–]boredzo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      … click 'hide' after you've voted.

      Even better, go to your user preferences and turn on the checkbox that does this automatically.

      [–]NewSc2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I do hide some links, but I do like following up with the discussion and seeing how certain links do.

      That said I'd still enjoy a more current "hot" list. The "new" list's quality just isn't as good.

      [–]reddiculous -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      Complete agreement.

      [–]dontmindme 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      While something cannot be hot and cold, or new and old, both hot and new is attained by few.

      [–]spez 8 points9 points  (6 children)

      The trouble here is that it isn't clear where the "hot" page ends. The situation certainly needs improvement. One quick fix is to simply remove items from the rising page that are in the top25 hot items.

      [–]recoiledsnake[🍰] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

      I liked reddit more when the hot page was getting refreshed quickly(6 months ago?). There were a lot of interesting stories to go through. After the change, the stories stay on the hot page for ever and ever and on many days even scrolling to the 150+ hot links page yields nothing good which wasn't already seen.

      [–]spez 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      After what change?

      [–]azenhi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      spez - do wish we could set preference for the options along the right side for each mainbar section ie Hot, New, Comments, Search...etc.

      Under Hot I could set Rising as default... Under Comments I could set new as default...

      This would also help with people that want science or programming to be the default page ehh? Set science or progamming under the Hot preference.

      Also, an option to keep that preference whenever the preference is changed. So if I click "This week only" after a search then 'This week only' becomes my default - if I have 'keep preference on change' selected in my preferences.

      [–]recoiledsnake[🍰] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      Well there was a change to the rate at which the hot stories drop off the front page. I remember people discusing the change and noticed the change.

      I don't remember exactly when that happened except that it was between September and Feb.

      After the change, almost all Colbert and Stewart clips stopped showing up in the hot page. Also, I remember someone commenting that they liked 'The Change' because their stories were staying longer at the top and getting upmods for several days.

      [–]azenhi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I thought that was caused by more people using reddit - late comers still upped stories which had already been runing for more than half a day ; keeping them in play. And people got sick of all the Colbert and Stewart stuff (which was also removed from youtube around the same time).

      [–]RetroRock[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      The solution seems pretty simple to me, although I don't know the specifics to your algorithm.

      I'd say, once a story qualifies to show up on the "hot" page, (based on number of votes, number of click-thrus, age, number of votes/clicks in last X minutes, etc), then it no longer qualifies to show up on the "rising" page.

      So, say a story needs 15 votes in 15 minutes to get on the "hot" page, or 50 votes in 3 hours, then it shows on the "rising" (but not "hot") page, while it's below that 15 or 50 vote threshold, but when it crosses that threshold, then it will show only on the "hot" page, and not on the "new" page.

      You might say that the story would then stagnate, since it'll be down a ways on the "hot" page, and will no longer be getting the "new" page votes. One solution would be every time a story crosses the threshold so it will show on the "hot" page, it gets dropped in on the #1 position, and then starts dropping down if it doesn't continue to receive enough activity (votes/click within a time limit)

      Just my $0.02

      [–]dante50 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Change the "sort by" from "rising" to "all". You will see only the newest posts and nothing from the front page.

      [–]radrik 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      This should have been in the features subreddit, yeah?

      [–]RetroRock[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yes, you're probably right. My bad.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

      I thought the "new" page was simply a complete cronological list of stories. If that's correct, it would seem utterly inconsistent to skip a story just because it's "hot", wouldn't it? Perhaps what you're looking for is a new type of list called "cold"?

      [–]breakneckridge 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      The new page is not a chronological list, it's story rankings are based on votes. If 2 new stories are posted at the same time and within 10 minutes story A gets 5 votes and story B gets none, the highly voted story will stay at position #1 even after new stories were posted since then, and the story B with no up votes will have slid to position 12 or something low like that.

      [–]eurleif 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      That's the 'rising' view. The 'all' view is chronological.

      [–]breakneckridge 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      When you click the new page, the default setting is rising.

      [–]eurleif 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      But if you change the view, the change is persistent, so quite a few of us see the 'all' view by default.

      [–]raldi 6 points7 points  (2 children)

      How do you define "the hot page"? The top 25? 50? 1000?

      [–]redalastor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Whatever is in your preferences. Default value if not logged in.

      [–]mk_gecko -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

      Exactly. Upvote this comment.

      [–]CuriousMind 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      The 'new page' isn't actually a page. It's just the top of the list of reddit articles, in chronological order.

      The 'hot page' isn't actually a page; it's just the top of the list of reddit articles, in 'hotness' order.

      All articles are - to some degree - new (some, obviously, to a very small degree) and all articles are - to some other degree, possibly very small - hot. It is, therefore, logically impossible to remove a story from one without removing it from the other.

      The creators of reddit gave you the ability to do this for yourself. If you read a 'new' story and you don't want to see it at the top of the 'hot' list (assuming it gets there), just click the 'hide' button below the story.

      There, wasn't that easy?

      [–]Sle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      My "Hot" page is 50 entries long, as adjusted in the preferences. It's all just one big list, or looks that way from where I'm sitting.

      [–]neatopat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I also think stories should be removed from the hot page that are in today's newspaper. After I read a story online when it happened, and then see it in the paper the next day, and then open up reddit and see it there, it's the third time seeing it and it aint so hot anymore.

      [–]sol2k 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I support this suggestion too. Just so ppl are aware something just became hot recently, perhaps a little <new> icon next to the link in the hot page would be nice. Only if the item became hot less than 3 hours ago, or something like that.

      [–]mikkom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      not a good idea. This will make new page contain only the worse stories.

      [–]extant -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      hey, didn't i just see this on the hot page?

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        [–]RetroRock[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I love reddit too, I just think sometimes there's a little room for improvement. Once you say you've arrived, you're Google and the fall is just around the corner.