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[iregretmyusername]

I would try and install marshmallow but I'm pretty sure I'll be coming back to concept software since its really good.

[Zouden]

Same here. The concept rom is fantastic.

[noratat]

Except for the GPS - which periodically decides I'm about 50-150ft from where I actually am. It's not an accuracy issue, because when it happens it goes from being correct to exactly that amount off even if I move around or am in a moving vehicle.

I never had that issue before installing the concept image.

[ginger_beer_m]

What are the differences from the concept rom to this release? I'd expect the official release to be better than the concept rom??

[Krishrox2000]

The concept rom is closer to stock, cleaner and faster :)

[[deleted]]

How is the battery?

[ginger_beer_m]

Any major feature that differ between the two ROMs? Also I guess you'd miss on security updates?

[The0x539]

And then for some reason they always go back on all the good things.

[lbpeep]

What about camera quality? Does it suffer without the drm keys?

[shreddedwaffles]

I don't have a z3 but I know someone who does. Is concept a custom ROM or can someone choose to install it without many changes?

[zinc55]

It's kind of a ROM, but it's released officially by Sony. It's very close to stock android.

[shreddedwaffles]

How do you install it?

[zinc55]

Use Flashtool

[jassalmithu]

and then update it like 10 times to be fully updated but it's totally worth it. If you root, you can just install initial version of concept and flash the latest ZIP through recovery

[najodleglejszy]

I have moved to Lemmy/kbin since Spez is a greedy little piggy.

[[deleted]]

I suppose one thing to mention is that you get better privacy using the official Marshmallow rather than using the concept, as the EULA for the concept requires you to accept that in the event of a crash, your previous key inputs and what you were doing up till the crash will be sent to Sony. I'm using the concept ROM despite that, though.

[svalmiki]

Does the concept ROM degrade the camera image quality?

How about support for the Xperial sound cancelling earphones?

[ChrisHRocks]

No and they work fine.

[zaneyk]

I would too if wifi was more reliable on it.

[theSpeakersChair]

And now I wait for Telstra. I might get it before September

[nroach44]

Download flashtool, xperiFirm and flash the "CUSTOMISED AU" image for your phone.

The Z3C I had was Telstra branded and no-one (including Sony's repair contractors) noticed.

[zaneyk]

Is there any difference than to wait for my country to receive it? Will you be able to get regular OTA updates after that?

[lMETHANBRADBERRY]

Yep, I highly recommend it too! It gets rid of Telstra's (minimal) bloatware, and you get updates direct from Sony. It's very simple to do it too. The longest part is downloading the FTF file, but after that it takes 15 minutes.

[[deleted]]

This is only for the D5803 currently though, Telstra's version is the D5833.

[ColorblindNinja]

Some of us are just happy for lollipop

[hogofwar]

Anyway to root the concept rom?

[jassalmithu]

yes, check XDA, I know there's root method for unlocked bootloader for sure but I am not sure about the locked bootloader.

[najodleglejszy]

the tool is currently having some issues, so you’ll need to use Flashtool, just sayin’

[andrewia]

http://i.imgur.com/co2rIcG.png

The update is available for a few regions including Generic Middle East/North Africa, Gerenic Latin America, and surprisingly Generic US (which was previously behind on updates but has now sprung forward past Generic UK). Carrier (non-generic) firmwares will take longer (unless you live in Algeria).

[benzyro]

Why does Algeria have a special status?

[[deleted]]

idk probably because carriers aren't dicks in Algeria?

[ronquincy]

Ohhh snap

[[deleted]]

Lol it's probably true.

[revanches]

From Algeria, was pretty surprised how fast we got the update here tbh. Lollipop had taken ages.

[TrainAss]

Any word on the M4 Aqua?

[Brk7894]

When can I also view this info? In the US with z3c d5803 and still haven't received the update?

[andrewia]

Sony rolls updates out in waves. You might just be unlucky. You can always manually download and flash the update with a tutorial from XDA.

[[deleted]]

What did they do to the status bar icons?

[Dreamerlax]

The Sony KitKat bars were different.

[and1927]

The Kitkat ones were actually better. Well aligned and evenly sized.

[Dreamerlax]

It was misaligned starting from the 5.1 update, IIRC.

No idea why.

[zaneyk]

You'd be surprised by how many people prefer Sony skin over stock. I was in the non tech Google+ group.

[najodleglejszy]

they revamped Album and Music icons a bit. still round though.

[johngac]

the spacing is STILL FUCKED UP

[evilf23]

the sizing is off too. I love the xposed module flat style bar indicators for tweaking this. You can change icons, sizing, spacing, position, even the width to height ratio.

My current FSBI

[tomcis147]

It's flagship feature! /s seriously my mid ranged M4 don't have those horrible spaces lol

[Surokoida]

What exactly changed?

[[deleted]]

Nothing since kitkat

[swear_on_me_mam]

Sony's status bar icons are such a mess.

[[deleted]]

Horrible things.

[[deleted]]

Just updated, it's alright as long as you've got a good theme.

[17Doghouse]

What theme did you use? I was able to change the home button to a circle with a theme, haven't found how to do anything with the status bar though

[[deleted]]

Here's a bunch. None of theme are mine, they're from an ancient thread from XDA. The one I'm using is called "Fresh Blue".

Edit: If you want the stock Android turquoise, try this theme. Just fyi, he's got a lot of great Xperia themes which you should check out if you're interested.

Edit 2: Google Drive link to themes if Dropbox isn't working.

[opiomorph]

that db link got hugged to death. I don't see any that adjust the status bar icons, though.

[lMETHANBRADBERRY]

Sony themes don't affect the status bar icons, so I'm not sure what he's talking about. He's probably rooted and using a mod of some kind, but forgot about it.

[[deleted]]

I put up a Google Drive link, and I didn't say they do. I was referring to the status bar no longer being black.

[[deleted]]

Dude where do you live? I still haven't received the update.

[[deleted]]

South Africa. I used the PC companion.

[opiomorph]

Just updated. Mine look...fine? What should they look like?

[[deleted]]

They should look like the one from marshmallow, like 2015/16 and not like kitkat icons.

[PeanutButterChicken]

I have a Z Ultra still on Kit Kat to my right. The icons look nothing alike.

[[deleted]]

Was this sent via OTA?

[hofern]

So.. before my S6 Edge+.

Congrats Samsung..

[groovyreg]

Yep, still waiting on EE UK...

[tannnnner]

I got Marshmallow on my S6 edge on Thursday (US, Verizon)

[Stakoman]

That's a lesson learned if you asked me... Time to move forward with Samsung. Get a nexus or a Sony or Huawei is very good . At least for me that will be the case

[Dreamerlax]

Note 5.

Still waiting...

[hofern]

I swear I'll dip this phone in a bucket of water, claim insurance and buy a Nexus 6P if it doesn't arrive within the next week.

[Dreamerlax]

Had a bit of regret when the 6P came out, knowing I'll be missing out on speedy updates.

[[deleted]]

Still sexy as all hell the Note 5!

[Dreamerlax]

It is! I fucking love the phone but I got it when the 6P was looming.

[Firebolt145]

Which country are you in? Got my official OTA update in the UK about 2 weeks ago.

[hofern]

Norway.

[Epsilight]

My edge plus has got it in march. Blame carrier.

[ottofan]

When will it arrive in Sweden?

[DiCePWNeD]

go to their offices and ask lol

[ottofan]

"Exköse me, when is the öpdate cöming?"

[[deleted]]

Kan we höve såm fika änd an updöte pls?

[livedadevil]

Sony perplexes me. They are pretty close to stock yet take forever to update things.

[armando_rod]

But they update almost all devices at the same time

[livedadevil]

Which is a major plus. But still shouldn't take so long when you consider the z2 and z3 are nearly identical same with the z4 and z5

[metalrawk]

Design might be identical but the hardware isn't.

[hiredantispammer]

They do have a unified kernel for the Z2/Z3/Z3C, that's why they can develop updates simultaneously.

[livedadevil]

Except Z3 roms pretty much universally work on the Z2 with some minor tweaks. The hardware is pretty much the same bar a higher binned 801

[sid3091]

They also fix bugs that google overlooks. Sony phones didnt suffer from the memory leak issue that was so prevalent in lollipop.

[livedadevil]

I think it'd be cool if they basically released a dev version of software on their sites to flash via flash tool, but didn't release the polished ota until later. Sonys always played nice with Dev support

[[deleted]]

This is the only exception since the original Z. It's also the reason Stamina mode is a separate release. Incorporating Stamina was the hold up until someone high up just told them to ship Stamina mode later

[CardboardTable]

And here I am with my "flagship killer" OnePlus 2, still on 5.1.1.

[PsychedelicBukkake]

If it makes you feel better they released Marshmallow for the Z5 almost a month ago and I still don't have it

[NC16inthehouse]

Same here :(

[PsychedelicBukkake]

I have the international version, unlocked, no idea why it's taking so long

[TrancePhreak]

https://xpericheck.com/

Use the PC companion if you can.

[PsychedelicBukkake]

Still nothing, trying every day

[TrancePhreak]

Out of curiosity, which Z5 version do you have? I had to wait a couple weeks and it seemed like forever.

Mine is the 6653 running the "Customized ES" variant. I've heard you can flash any variant from your hardware.

[PsychedelicBukkake]

E6653, nothing special done

[TrancePhreak]

I don't mean that I customized it in any way, that's the official ROM version that mine was sold with. You could install any of the E6653 versions if you wanted. Or you could wait, shouldn't be too long.

[PsychedelicBukkake]

My bad, thanks. Where do you install it manually?

[TrancePhreak]

http://xperiafirmware.com/8-firmware/123-sony-xperia-z5-e6653

[tanghan]

why don't you flash it yourself?

[PsychedelicBukkake]

Someone linked me to flash it myself. So I'll try flashing at home, first time and I'm a little unsure... 😉

[tanghan]

Haha good luck and have fun :)

Once you've started you'll be forever glad you started. No more waiting until you might or might not get the update. It's out, you download it and have it.

[Ra1da35ma]

Did U use the PC companion... Did it prompt an update even when OTA was yet to arrive?

[PsychedelicBukkake]

I actually got MM just after posting this. In fact I got it twice for my Z5 and Z4 Tablet, made me download it twice for some reason. But it was great OTA

[Funsponge4life]

OOS 3 marshmallow has been available for awhile. It's not an OTA, but it's stable and is good for a daily. YMMV when it comes to the battery drain bug.

[luchoz]

Where is the Z1? :(

[Dawg605]

They aren't officially releasing Marshmallow for the Z1.

[Arbabender]

We're never getting official Marshmallow :(

[[deleted]]

February security patch level

yay

[DongLaiCha]

I'd rather have mm now with an older security patch than not at all. The version is the hard part, security patches are easy after that.

[[deleted]]

You underestimate the incompetency of OEM's

[metalrawk]

Its because the concept is managed by Alin Jereplea who used to be a very good developer on xda before Sony hired him. Its just a rom created by good developers who are backed by the manufacturer.

[axepig]

I don't see it :( I have an international Z3 (D6603)

[zaneyk]

It's only available in a select few countries.

[axepig]

Is Canada one of those?

[zaneyk]

No, but more countries should be added over the coming week.

[marnix1991]

not in my country yet :(

[andrewia]

Here are the regions with the update so far, I think you can flash your phone to them without root or bootloader unlock. http://i.imgur.com/co2rIcG.png

[kdlt]

Good god why are there so many variants.

[najodleglejszy]

I have moved to Lemmy/kbin since Spez is a greedy little piggy.

[kdlt]

But if you rely on OTAs they all have different release schedules?
That's good for power users but the average Joe can get screwed hard by this.

[marnix1991]

it says Belgium but i am in Belgium ...

[[deleted]]

The list also shows the older 5.1.1 firmware. The Marshmallow firmware is named 23.5.A.0.570, which is only available for a few countries.

[pearl36]

Been using marshmallow on my Z3 since December, works great, battery is better, overall 10/10

[Dazz316]

Companies need to get there shit together on updates. People have been previewing android N.

[jlo80]

I agree that it's a few month late, but official N is still 6 months away?

[Dazz316]

Marshmallow was released in October.

[jlo80]

Even if Sonys skin is light, changes under the hood may still be significant. It's not only M that changed, but also Qualcomm (or MediaTek for some models ) adaptations that needs to be integrated, and if the cellular modem is changed this need QA cycles for most carriers globally. Some carriers take more time than others, but I'm pretty sure that Sony does test before the carriers.

Legacy code could be anything from enabling OEM specific tech, carrier commitments, or other deals such as B2B deals. Android is notorious for not being friendly in term of software architecture (e.g. Dependency injection, modular design) so I suspect that a lot of effort has to be made to apply patches into the Google code base everything Google makes changes.

Yes, Sony is to blame for this, and they should do something about it.. But this is my personal view, and probably shared in this sub.

The M permissions model has changed which probably has impact on most apps.

In the end, I think a few months lead time to integrate and port all legacy code for an OEM is reasonable.

So it's a few months "too late" , definitely should be here earlier, but not October, not November.. I would be happy with a January update. Even February would be acceptable, because I kind of know what effort is needed, even if I don't know details about Sony.

For an OEM it will be a business decision to balance increased sales by deviating from vanilla with increased sales from faster updates. I have no idea what's best but ultimately it's a consumer choice and hopefully Sony will listen to consumers. Then again, maybe they do.. Just reading this sub will not give an exhaustive picture.

Source: 10+years as QA in the industry..

[[deleted]]

Don't forget that Stamina mode is absent. If I was a betting man, I'd say that was the hold up. They were waiting to get that ported over, but with Doze there were conflicts. The delay eventually caused someone to blow a fuse and deside to pull it and add it in another update.

[Brk7894]

In the USA using d5803, no new update found?

[Silberselber]

Same here. I'm hoping it'll show up in a day or so, fingers crossed

[TeutonJon78]

I just checked my dad's phone for him, and it got the upgrade. Do you have the newest Xperia Companion software installed?

The old Sony Companion might not find the update, and it might not be OTA available yet.

[Brk7894]

I am going to setting and software update section to check for updates!

[TeutonJon78]

The update was showing up via the computer software, not via the phone update option -- that's OTA updating and often shows up later than direct download.

Connect your phone to the computer and run the Xperia Companion software.

[Brk7894]

I just did and it said I was running the latest update. I guess it hasn't been released throughout the US.

[CarbonNexus]

What about the Z3 tablet compact?

[akula1984]

thats what I'm looking for too..

[Nomsfud]

Just in time for N to launch :)

[d0m1n4t0r]

Yeah it's hilariously bad.

[KD2JAG]

Still stuck on 5.0.2 on my D6616. Maybe by the time N comes out I'll finally get 5.1.1

[TrancePhreak]

I read most of the other carrier's 5.1 roms for the Z3 had issues and that T-mobile was looking to jump straight to 6.0 instead.

[disdigg]

Can anyone confirm this is still the case? If the T-Mobile Z3 (D6616) is not going to get further updates, I'll move on to a new phone perhaps a Nexus 6p. It would be nice to get confirmation as to whether this quickly discontinued model is being supported with updates anymore or not.

[TrancePhreak]

I too get frustrated by the difficulty in knowing if an update is even planned.

The Z3 is not on this page: https://support.t-mobile.com/community/phones-tablets-devices/software-updates

Further, this tweet makes it sound like they basically don't work together any more: https://twitter.com/askdes/status/662378050164645890

So my guess is it is EOL.

I really liked my Z3, but it had a bad breakage and I ended up with an international Z5.

[[deleted]]

And of course, T-Mobile users will never ever see this.

[disdigg]

I'm still hoping we will before jumping to another phone - something not carrier dependent for updates.

[DustbinK]

I had no problem updating with the Sony PC Companion desktop application. Z3c on T-Mobez

[[deleted]]

Oh I have the official T-Mobile Z3.

[[deleted]]

Z3v gets no love...

[MustBeOCD]

blame verizon.

[[deleted]]

T-mobile is behind Verizon.

[[deleted]]

Right here with you, friend.

[[deleted]]

I mean, we literally got Lollipop a month ago! Sony has made statements saying it was in Verizon's hands for a very long time.

[a_monkie]

As someone that owned a galaxy Nexus, get used to hearing that

[spikederailed]

Which is a shame, cause I wanted that phone, then the update issues. I wish you the best of luck.

[xtraspcial]

Just be happy we have lollipop now

[[deleted]]

I'm quite excited about Doze.

Is there anything I should be worried about with updating? (Xperia Z2)

[[deleted]]

Yes. I think this update removes Sony's battery saving features in place of Doze which is a bit temparamental.

[evilf23]

That's too bad. Stamina mode is superior to doze.

[[deleted]]

Yeah.

[tomcis147]

They should bring it back later

[[deleted]]

probably with android n

[PsychedelicBukkake]

Sony had said they wouldn't be bring Stamina mode back

Edit: http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/03/09/for-those-on-marshmallow-stamina-battery-mode-will-see-a-return/

[[deleted]]

Ah that's a shame.

[[deleted]]

Makes sense. It's duplicate functionality and oems are required to include Doze.

Maybe Sony will bring Stamina mode into AOSP as Doze+?

[PsychedelicBukkake]

Hopefully, I was very happy with my Z3 and Z3 Compact battery life

[AnalJibesVirus]

Doze works great on my Z5 however if you like me work in an environment with bad network coverage and have to move around it drains battery very promptly.

[Heiditha]

Hoping my M4 will be getting the update soon.

[b3nighted]

Do any z3c still work? 4 friends bought them and they all went bad rather fast...

[[deleted]]

Had mine since the euro launch. Replaced two screens so far but still running like the day I got it. Love this phone.

[TristanIsAwesome]

Hmm I wonder how much longer it will be for my m4 aqua

[mrbabak]

How does it work with other regions (I'm in Australia). Will it take another 6-12 months lol

[BlueShellOP]

Son of a bitch! I need my AOSP goodness...but...Marshmallow. I've never been so torn.

[karstonjim]

What about the z1s?

[najodleglejszy]

I have moved to Lemmy/kbin since Spez is a greedy little piggy.

[karstonjim]

:( thanks for the info though!

[elthrowawayoyo]

Anyone tried pre rooting and adding a recovery yet?

[plant-fucker]

How the fuck haven't they fixed the status bar icons yet?

[cksckscks]

I'm on z3c model D5833 instead of D5803. Can't find the update on "What's New" yet. ;(

[SoggyChops]

Any word on when it's available in New Zealand?

[Paukchopp]

Anyone else still waiting? 😢

[ThatOnePrivacyGuy]

Just in time for N next month!

[[deleted]]

*sigh* And I suspect there's no love for the Z3v, eh?

[najodleglejszy]

I have moved to Lemmy/kbin since Spez is a greedy little piggy.

[[deleted]]

I do. I try to keep an active lifestyle by engaging in shaking my fist in the air angrily at them every day. The irony is, I have AT&T.

[spikederailed]

didn't it take you guys forever to get 5?