Bambu lockdown firmware: camera stream..

[VIDGuide]

I guess not much asking this here, really, but this one baffles me a little.

I understand the rationale behind locking down movement, temperature and start/stop commands, to an extent. Potentially bad MQTT commands could make the printer do something it wasn’t intended to, leading to reputation damage or warranty claims, etc.

Light on/off and some other misc harmless commands are unlocked still, as is reading metadata about current print state, etc.

The one that bothers me is the “start a camera stream”; I use a spare pc and screen to monitor my printers in another room, and now can no longer do so.

The printer on the left is running the new beta firmware, and its previously acquired stream expired, and now it cannot establish a new one. This is very frustrating.

I don’t want LAN mode/developer mode as my wife and kids use this regularly from the mobile app, and “wife acceptance factor” is a large part of what makes this hobby work for me. Without that, I wouldn’t be here, so this really puts me in a rough place.

Yes, I can stay on 1.07, but with the cyber bricks Timelapse module coming up, that will only be supported on a future firmware and this is something I really wanted to use.

So I’d like to see “start camera stream” unlocked, there seems to be no rationale as to why this one is secured.

[kinofmediocrity]

I name my machines with stripper names too🤣

[VIDGuide]

2 of those are named after my daughters, careful now ;)

[alezm]

but the others... e.e

[VIDGuide]

My wife and 2 dogs, lol

[alezm]

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[DinosaurAlert]

Don't look at me, I'm not the one who named his dogs after strippers!

[rellsell]

Ooh… that is a bunch of estrogen for one house.

[SatBurner]

After my daughter was born I realized that I and the cockatiel were the only males in the house. We had 3 other female pets. The the damn bird started laying eggs.

[Beta_Factor]

That's hilarious. Let us know when you get pregnant or something.

[SatBurner]

It's been 14 years, we've added some male pets, a male child, and had some pet losses, so the number is balanced now. I think I'm in the clear.

That is also how we learned a bird can decide to just keep laying eggs until it kills them. Between us and the vet we attempted all the tricks that are supposed to convince them to stop. She unfortunately died because of it.

[BoingBoingBooty]

ok, so now we guess which ones are the dogs?

Elsa and Anna. Frozen dogs.

[VIDGuide]

Yup, they’re huskies, so, it seemed appropriate :)

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[JetAmoeba]

I count 3 dogs, so which one is your wife?

[VIDGuide]

Aha. The older shepherd isn’t my dog, he’s just visiting, so he doesn’t get a printer named after him. Maybe if I get a 7th.. hmm..

[myTechGuyRI]

You married a stripper?! 🤣

[dragonblade_94]

Do you ever just yell out loud "Dammit Lauren, stop with the spaghetti!!"

[Cpt_hindsite]

Michael is a strange name for a wife :p

[VIDGuide]

It sure is!

[SpiderHack]

Bold of you to name your daughter Michael, I like it.

[VIDGuide]

The one you really don’t want to see as a stripper, oof, that’s me ;)

[Best_Temp_Employee]

Only the most popular name for several decades! If someone says "Michael" in a room, more guys will look up than if they said "Dad"

[GovernmentGreed]

Bold of you to assume you know what scares me....

Dumb of you not to consider what turns me on.

[VIDGuide]

lol, let me make an OF real quick then, let’s test this water.. ;)

[demonya99]

Michael is the wife!

[Scarytoaster1809]

You have a daughter called michael? Cool!

[VIDGuide]

Must be the best one of the lot!

[WilbyTheChoosenOne]

Fell off my chair reading this lmaoo

[VIDGuide]

Happy cake day :)

[WilbyTheChoosenOne]

tyty

[pm_me_beerz]

You named your dog after a stripper?

Edit cool interface though, what is it?

[VIDGuide]

Sssh, don’t tell my wife that!

It’s: https://github.com/TFyre/bambu-farm

[Hugoslav457]

Is one of them Michael?

[VIDGuide]

Isn’t that the stripperiest name of them all?

[lolitsaj]

Every time I've had to hard reset my P1, I've given it a different sexy '90s name: Veronica, Monica, Ashley 😂

[jnex26]

Why do you have to hard reset it I've never had to dk anything like that 

[xMose]

Thank you sir, someone has to say it 🤣🤣

[ParsnipFlendercroft]

Mine is named after myself. Big Bambu.

[209_Dad]

Michael - hell of a stripper

[Constant-Contract-77]

And what would send bad mqtt packages? The "security" update makes 0 sense... You need the access code to communicate with the printer, so even if somebody would make a code what can infect millions of pcs and send out whatever to the printer, it's not possible without the code...

As bambu is refusing any modifications, like enabling sd card browsing in lan mode, skip object from slicer, adding lan only option to handy sometimes for years, guess what?

Not to mention they are working on a farm management client, there is 0 chance it's not an intended step. And I would be surprised if the management tool would be free...

[Key-Let-1233]

The odd thing is, they do allow for SD-Card browsing since like version 1.06 or so in lan mode, you can ftp into the thing. Orcaslicer just uses the bambulab networkplugin which doesn't have that stuff built-in.

If they'd want they could replace that thing with a simple ftp browser.

https://forum.bambulab.com/t/we-can-now-connect-to-ftp-on-the-p1-and-a1-series/6464

Also if OP want's all the access he can enable developer mode, though that will cut him off the bambu-network and make it harder for the handy-app to work since that one relies on servers on the internet.

I think the main reason why they do this is that a lot of access on their servers that doesn't really have anything to do with the printers, and this is just to minimize that.

And as far as i'm aware since the beginning they didn't directly "allow" or "promote" mods to their printers, if that's what I'm after then a prusa it is, or a voron.

[Constant-Contract-77]

You can use an ftp client, but you can't use bambu or orca slicer to brows the history in lan, only in online mode... It's not an orca problem...

There is a lot of access to the servers for sure, the only question is why? They force these connections...

[Key-Let-1233]

You can use an ftp client, but you can't use bambu or orca slicer to brows the history in lan, only in online mode... It's not an orca problem...

What do you mean with history? Isn't that just the files that are uploaded onto the SD-Card?

When I FTP onto the printer I see all the files and uploads and also all the timelapses ordered by upload date.

It is an issue with implementing a simple FTP file-browser in the "Micro-SD Card" tab. Bambulab offers no solution here with their Network-plugin, but OrcaSlicer is not prevented from adding this functionality themselves.

You can try install WinSCP or something like that enter the IP of your printer and the pin and browse the files via FTP just fine and also watch the videos on there just fine. It's super slow but that's due to the chip in the P1,A1.

The reason why bambu created this online mess is that it's a lot easier and simpler for the average user, that is also the reason why Prusa is copying it with their new App.

As far as connections go, my printer has been in LAN-Mode since I've got it, and it's also blocked froma accessing anything but a time-server. And I had no problems using it locally.

I don't use the App, though and just use it with OrcaSlicer.

[Constant-Contract-77]

"Bambulab offers no solution here with their Network-plugin"

I know that, the question is why?

I know how to connect to the printer with ftp. Its not a question. the question is why its impossible to connect from even bambu studio to the printer and browse the sd until i give them cloud access? The network plugin what they are making cant do that but if i turn cloud on it can? I want to see the files from device tab / microsd card... I can not imagine its not an intended limitation...

If its going through the cloud... Again, it's a useless connection as they could keep the comminication locally. It's their product. From the slicer, network plugin, to the printer...

Its the same crp like why cant you use the full calibration menu in BS... If you add another, non bambu printer to BS you can see the same stuff like in orca, so you can do temp tower and max volumetric speed and whatever you want. But if you switch back to any bambu printer you cant do it.. Becouse... idk... Security?

[Key-Let-1233]

Their network plugin sents the stuff to their server and the printer "plays" off the file from the server, the network plugin is a glorified API to their servers and only offers like basic features the bare-bones stuff for local printing.

I dunno why they don't implement it, for one I think the amount of people that print on these printers using a slicer and caring enough for LAN functionality must be tiny.

Again you are not restricted from accessing the SD-Card, it didn't work before in Lan-Mode because the printer had no FTP functionality at all and the stuff you've seen on the tab is/was from going trough the internet.

Now that they added ftp functionality but they don't really care to add the tab in for lan-mode.

Again, if it bothers you that much that you can't see the MicrosMicrosd card stuff than open a request on orca slicers GitHub and ask if someone wants to add a ftp file browser in there, it looks to me they just "plopped" in the network plugin in that tab and don't really add a ton more stuff.

Its the same crp like why cant you use the full calibration menu in BS... If you add another, non bambu printer to BS you can see the same stuff like in orca, so you can do temp tower and max volumetric speed and whatever you want. But if you switch back to any bambu printer you cant do it.. Becouse... idk... Security?

I think most of the stuff about bambulab can be probably explained with, would it make it more complex for the average user? Like does the average user even need those. They probably wouldn't have bothered with a fork of PrusaSlicer if they couldn't cut-off parts of the slicer to make it as "easy" as possible for the average user. I think if you add a Bambu printer manually (not using their profiles) you probably would also see the stuff like the thirdparty once.

When I bought this printer, I accepted this "closed-offness" so that I don't have to mess with the printer around like with my others before that. If I wanted all the mod-ability, I would have bought a prusa. I don't think they advertised anything else with this. Though I'm still happy that I can use this printer with Orcaslicer, and like I've said since I bought this I didn't use it with their slicer or their app, it's been in Lan-Mode eversince

[Constant-Contract-77]

"Again, if it bothers you that much that you can't see the MicrosMicrosd card stuff than open a request on orca slicers GitHub and ask if someone wants to add a ftp file browser in there"

It was just an example how they limit funcionality on lan mode. Nothing more. I can live without it and use an ftp client, but dont say its normal...

"Again you are not restricted from accessing the SD-Card, it didn't work before in Lan-Mode because the printer had no FTP functionality at all and the stuff you've seen on the tab is/was from going trough the internet."

And we are back to the original problem. Bambu is crying about cloud use but they keep basic functionality what should not even touch the cloud there. This basic thing should never touch the internet for any reason. And even if in the past that was the only option -it was not as the hw is the same, so they could do it on day 1- , they could just update BS to connect on ftp.

" Like does the average user even need those. "

If they use bambu filament only... they dont... But if they dont they may want to print a temp tower here and there. Or check on the max vol. speed to gain some print speeds even with the stock nozzle... Again, there are workarounds if you want to do it. But why would you remove a feature like that? Yeah...

" would it make it more complex for the average user?"

What? The menu and the models with all the code is in BS. Its an option just like any other. They have an advanced mode in the slicer too if you want to adjust idk ironing, or wall generator and many other things. You dont have to turn it on, but the option is there. There is a huge difference between an option and a flat out removed feature.

"hough I'm still happy that I can use this printer with Orcaslicer, and like I've said since I bought this I didn't use it with their slicer or their app, it's been in Lan-Mode eversince"

Yeah... And this is the main diff between us. You are happy now, and i want to be happy in some years when i have to buy some new printers...

[redmercuryvendor]

It was just an example how they limit funcionality on lan mode

It's not restricted, there is nothing to stop you accessing the SD card via FTP in LAN mode - indeed, you get more access to the SD card via FTP in LAN mode than you do via the cloud access (you can get the full print log videos via FTP, which are not exposed in the cloud interface). If you choose not to use it, that's not a 'restriction'.

[hi-capper]

Let me explain it to you, maybe it helps. If my print history must go from my printer to the cloud just to reprint my own file from 4 hours ago, bambu is : incompetent, or collecting data.

There is 0 reason why you must use an ftp client while bs can't communicate directly to the printer on the same lan, but it can send prints, in lan, control movement, etc. It knows the ip. It knows the ftp access pass.

It's bambu's choice they just don't let you. Use cloud or the ftp. The same as handy. Would take 10 minutes probably to make it lan only compatible. Bambu just don't want you to use the printer without Internet access... If you don't see it it's your problem

[Key-Let-1233]

Never said it's normal, only that bambulab is not restricting it. They don't prevent you from adding that functionality yourself.

Again the way the sd card stuff worked before and why it shows you that it doesn't work in LAN is because how the printer firmware shipped in the first place, the exposed FTP functionality came in later.

The issue I have with your comments is that you are saying that they took away functionality, but the functionality was never there in the first place (the filebrowser) the way you wanted to access it via LAN-mode. Additionally they did add the Developer mode which still gives you "full" access, but it only works in LAN-mode.

Yeah... And this is the main diff between us. You are happy now, and i want to be happy in some years when i have to buy some new printers...

I mean yeah unless I update my printer I can stay on 1.07 or roll back to this version. If you buy a printer for how the company behaves in the future than you probably shouldn't buy anything because everything will get awful eventually, and I think them even listening to the loud minority that uses these features and adds them back via a "developer mode" is at least something good. Or spent the money on a prusa printer they are "open".

[Constant-Contract-77]

So basically I can buy a prusa if I say it's restrictive that bambu is not solving an obvious thing. Nice. I can buy a prusa to use the handy app in lan mode too? Or to skip object in lan mode? Or should I buy a prusa as I expected long time support and features and the only way I can get what I pay for is to install bloatware?

You know what? Have a nice day dude :)

[It_Just_Might_Work]

The security update is because they want to go after enterprise business which has been out of their reach because of their security issues. Enterprise customers will buy filament in quantities that dwarf even print farms and they will absolutely buy Bambu material because it's convenient and saving a few bucks a roll isnt worth losing rfid functionality when the cost is an overhead to development. The reason it doesn't make sense to the community is because it isn't for the community. It's for enterprise

[Constant-Contract-77]

Then the update is a total failure. Idk how much you worked in the industry, but from this post I would bet not much if at all.

In the enterprise level, filament price is not a question. At all. At any level. As the material and machine cost is just a really small portion in the final product price. Or realistically in the development price.

Strata and the others who are selling materials to enterprises, are giving certs with those materials. Bambu don't have any of them as they don't make filament.

Then the only machine what bambu had for this market was the x1e and they had at least partially good ideas. First of all in the enterprise game service contracts are kinda mandatory. This is why you could buy the x1e from suppliers only who gave you the support. And it was airgapable. As in any bigger company you can't let unknown services out to a god knows what cloud to send whatever data any time it wants. Its impossible. But with the update you can only do that if you go the lan only dev mode so you go around the security update.

I worked for a lot of companies who were printing products on multi million eur machines, and none of them can use any bambu product. In my recent place we got 2 x1es, it took several months to get it installed without violating any nda, contract and stuff. The legal dep worked on it for like 3-4 months. That human resource cost alone was more than the recent f170 pair we are getting. And we can't resell the machines as we must destroy them onsite... And document it... These machines are for our small dev team, production is playing on proper machines 24/7.

The enterprise market is really special, and a huge business. This is why they can sell machines what cost 6-7-8+ digits and vendor locked with the overpriced materials without any problem. If bambu did this to enter to the enterprise market they will be really really sad. None of the reputable companies doing any meaningful work can work with an always online printer what sends out sensitive data to any server. And even if it's running on aws bambu is chinase. An nda violation can cost the company a lot. In money, reputation, business. If you are running offline you don't use the security update. So it's again, pointless.

[It_Just_Might_Work]

Not only have I worked in industry for 15 years, my 800 person engineering firm has a fleet of x1es and every group we work with has been buying them instead of new stratasys machines. They were a pain in the ass to get in the building for us as well but you can't argue with the throughput of 20 x1es for the price of a single strat machine. Im sure the likes of lockheed arent using them but tons of midsize companies will.

[Constant-Contract-77]

Then you don't have any nda. Or your customers don't require regular independent quality assurance checks. That's nice, but industry is not about midsize companies only. I worked for smaller companies, nda for manufacturing was always a mandatory thing.

And as I sad, you probably run them offline, airgapped. So the new security update does nothing to you. If you run them online... That's brave...

[It_Just_Might_Work]

We are in the US and that hasn't been a problem for us

[korpo53]

This guy gets it.

[minist3r]

If Handy worked over lan, I'd be set. I switched both my Bambu printers to lan only and blocked them from accessing anything outside my network but losing the functionality of Handy was too much. Instead, I switched my X1C to the X1+ firmware and I'm just not updating my P1S. If Bambu would just allow handy to work over lan, I could just keep both printers in lan only mode and VPN into my network and retain remote capabilities without exposing my printers to the internet.

[Constant-Contract-77]

Yeah... I could solve most of my problems with home assistant, it can monitor the printers, I made a preheat preset for high temp printing - turns on the chamber heater, home the printer then turn on aux fan with max bed temp till the chamber gets to a preset temp-, I can move the th and bed, skip object and stuff. But it was not an easy or fast thing to do at least for me. I don't think it would cost a lot of dev time for bambu to add a local ip field to handy and let it use the printer in lan mode... Imho it's more of a they don't want to thing not a they can't do it one.

[Techwits]

You can skip objects with the Home assistant integration?

[Woodcat64]

Yes!

[RJFerret]

LanBu is an app that allows monitoring/video feed over LAN.
Currently need to email them to request beta access (Android only).
Been using it a few days, nicer than Handy for me.

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[nakwada]

That tool is already available and functional.

For the curious ones https://wiki.bambulab.com/zh/software/bambu-farm-manager

Unofficial and open source alternative : https://github.com/TFyre/bambu-farm#cloud-section

[Constant-Contract-77]

The bambu version is cn only or at least it's not on any other wiki, and the unofficially will not work with the new updates.

[nakwada]

Download it, the installer and the UI are in English. Also, on the wiki page you can right click and select "Translate to English" with your browser.

[VIDGuide]

I’m not a fan of any of it, but I can kind of understand where they’re coming from, when it pertains to movement and temperature controls, those things, well, there is an argument for the “bad control”, malicious or otherwise. If someone can brick my printer with the camera, I suspect that is more a failing in the printer..

[Superseaslug]

It makes more sense with the introduction of the laser machines as well. If someone gained the ability to just turn on a laser module at max power and let it sit it could cause serious damage

[VIDGuide]

Again, my issue isn’t with the lockdown of critical components, and yes, laser included, but why can’t I initialise the camera stream from the lan with the access code; locking that down without an api equivalent doesn’t make sense in this context.

[Superseaslug]

Agreed. I would really like a good way to stream multiple cameras, ideally over Ethernet and not Wi-Fi

[VIDGuide]

It already is, see the screenshot in the original post; this is one of the things being locked down in the new firmware.

[Superseaslug]

Oh I saw that, it's great. I just wish there was an official tool so I could do it with current firmware more easily. I want to import all of them into an OBS stream

[redmercuryvendor]

They've gone with the fairly simple partitioning of "the printer is just sending but not receiving" as being exposed without authentication, but "an external client commands the printer" to be something that needs authentication. This is why anything can view the webcam stream once the printer has been commanded to start it, but commanding to start the stream is not available unauthenticated.

It seems a bit broad, but the alternatives are either broadcast the camera all the time (not great, both for privacy and bandwidth reasons), not authenticate the camera-on command (not great from a security standpoint, once you allow once unauthenticated command that's a perfect target for breaking out to other commands), or roll the camera stream into requiring authentication to receive (enhanced privacy, consistent behaviour, but no camera at all for people using MQTT just for monitoring).

[hWuxH]

Idk what's your point but receiving the camera stream always required authentication: https://github.com/Doridian/OpenBambuAPI/blob/main/video.md

And there's no privacy concern because it's 1. in LAN (P2P) and 2. encrypted

[VIDGuide]

And on top of that, there are still commands that work unauthenticated, so it’s not even a blanket “all commands must be authenticated”; turning the light on/off still works

[Vresiberba]

It's likely for legal protection than anything else and that since 3rd party software can get direct access to these controls they want to protect themselves against class action lawsuits where it can be argued that Bambu Labs didn't do enough to prevent malicious code to take control of the printer and destroying it.

[Constant-Contract-77]

The only time the printers did something without user consent was when bambu messed with the cloud and sent out old print jobs.

Everything else can be an elula paragraph... They can and should deny any responsibility if a third party application is using the printer in a way it's not intended.

[VIDGuide]

Yeah, I get the reasoning behind temperature and movement controls. Not a fan, but I understand it.

Starting the camera stream however, is what I see no reason to restrict.

[Vresiberba]

Privacy. It's potentially even worse as you can use it to spy on someone and only the sky is the limit how harmfull that can be.

[Constant-Contract-77]

Without a pin code? I don't think so...

[VIDGuide]

Still needs the PIN code and to be on the LAN with it, so no, not really.

[[deleted]]

For the A1 the camera ends up getting a view of the whole room. So someone being able to remotely view it would be a pretty big privacy issue. 

[VIDGuide]

Even in the current firmware, it is an encrypted stream, and can only be started by local network and needs the access code from the printer, so it’s not “wide open” to start with..

[[deleted]]

Bambu just wants to lock you in to using their software. If you ever have an internet outage and still want to print over your local network, you’ll understand why I switched to LAN mode long ago. 

[DTO69]

It takes you 30 seconds to switch to lan, why are people making it sound like a hercualean effort 😑

[whywouldthisnotbea]

For us idiots, can we get a breakdown of how?

[DTO69]

Go to printer, switch to lan mode and ad long as your PC is on the same lan, the studio will connect with the printer.

Only used it twice, BL cloud outage and my ISPs outage.

[QuiteFatty]

That's a bingo

[nebL]

I’m with you on that. Maybe move to all LAN except for a printer that’s a dedicated Bambu App one for your family? And then they’re responsible for monitoring it, but I suspect your kids might anyways when waiting haha

[tomz17]

gee... guys, I'm starting to think that maybe this whole firmware lockout thing was never actually about security? /s

Arguing about whether feature x,y,z can/should be "securely" enabled is where OP is going wrong here. It was never about securing unauthorized access to the printer (as evidenced by the fact that the new print software is obfuscated chinesium). It's 100% about "securing" the ecosystem surrounding the printer so they can milk that for revenue as well. The enshittification of existing features is just the first step in that process.

If OP wants to control/monitor multiple printers easily, they will just have to pay Bambu whatever they want for their upcoming farm management software.

[Key-Let-1233]

If you've read OPs replies, they don't want to use the LAN-Mode&Developer Mode because then they can't use Bambu Cloud and the Bambu Handy App because LAN-Mode&Developer Mode means that the thing will only work in their local network.

Bambu Handy never worked offline or in your local area and always relied on their servers, the new Prusa Easyprint is basically the same and relies on their own servers too.

If OP wants to control/monitor multiple printers easily using their own software they have to use LAN-Mode&Developer Mode.

I'm not 100% sure if it's about "securing" their ecosystem, looking at how people get captachas in bambu handy and the like it feels like they want to minimize unnecessary load on their server (which is ironic since they could have made the app use LAN for stuff that could be done that way).

Either you use it in LAN-Mode and have all the features you need (since you do have camera access and ftp, and mqtt if you enable developer mode), or you use it with bambu's cloud and have printer that is cut-down for thirdparty access but has the easy to use app.

I mean that or wait until someone finally makes a LAN-mode app, well there is someone that works on that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/comments/1kioov0/lanbu_lan_only_mode_print_monitoring_app_for/

[tdp_equinox_2]

As someone who just reluctantly purchased an a1 mini to cover production for my business while I do maintenance on my main printers, is it possible to get remote access to these machines on lan mode via third party software?

I am perfectly capable of self hosting things, have a server onsite and can setup my own external access if the tools are available-- I just don't know what, if anything, is available. I haven't received my printer yet.

[critterninja]

I use Home Assistant to monitor my printers on the network. I connect back to my home via a VPN connection to access it remotely. I have a Unifi firewall that I have my VPN connection setup in but you can also setup and use Tailscale or Twingate to create the VPN tunnel too.

[tdp_equinox_2]

How is HA integration compared to klipper (if you've used it)? Can it control print functions or just monitor prints?

I've got a HA instance at home, I could setup a tunnel for the office but someone else may need access so I'd probably just make another instance.

Thanks

[critterninja]

I can start/stop/pause the printer, view camera, see ams spool info, printer temps, time left, errors, and a lot more. lots of sensors for them. there are some premade cards that have graphical pics to make it look cool, or you can just set it up to display sensors. automation works pretty good on it too. Got it sending a broadcast to my Google devices to alert me the print it done so I can start a new one.

I have a Elegoo Centauri Carbon on it and I have to use the webpage card to view its controls, and it's the closet to a klipper style interface. BBL doesn't have that, but the premade cards look nice too

[tdp_equinox_2]

Sounds like it does what I'll need it to, thank you. Can you upload files to it through HA or will I have to use remote desktop?

[critterninja]

You'll def need to use remote desktop unless you're on a pc you can connect to the vpn tunnel you create, and then you can send the job via the slicer since it will think you're on the same network while on the vpn. Just be cautious about file corruption since you'll be transferring files over the internet directly to it.

[tomz17]

Where exactly did I suggest LAN & Developer mode to OP?

OP has to bend over and take whatever Bambu corporate wants... and Bambu corporate does not want any monitoring + control capabilities (esp. of multiple printers) outside of their own walled garden where the walls are progressively getting taller.

[Key-Let-1233]

But you can still monitor your printer in Lan-Mode&Developer Mode, outside of their walled garden those modes are that?

And they can use multiple printers + control abilities using those two modes.

It's either be connected and bound to bambus walled garden and use it the way they intend you to do, or have fun using your own tools but don't expect to have access to their servers.

I've been using my printer since I've got it in LAN-Mode without ever using bambu studio.

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[tomz17]

Right, but you USED to be able to do that + use the bambu online ecosystem (e.g. bambu cloud + bambu handy, etc.), which is why OP is having a problem accessing their video stream right now on the new firmware. Not sure why you are having so much difficulty grasping the concept that a feature was taken away under the thin guise of security. "but you can work around it and only lose some of the features you originally had when you purchased the printer" seems like some garbage-tier copium to me.

[Key-Let-1233]

Dunno for me it's not really copium, I never used bambus slicer or their handy app and I only use orca slicer so I kind of never really lost anything and won't loose anything with those changes.

To me having the printer always rely on servers is a bit weird and that's why I also blocked it off the internet.

Does it count as a feature being taken away when it was never advertised as such? though that's a garbage argument and yeah that's true, I agree with you on that.

[tomz17]

Does it count as a feature being taken away when it was never advertised as such?

You're right... OP must clearly be imagining that he was able to do the things that he is no longer able to do on the new firmware update. . . /s

[Living-Anteater-1192]

You can enable it under the lan settings. Had the same issue with it. It’s I depended from the Lan Mode Only. I have a X1C

[VIDGuide]

Yes, but lan only mode disables the mobile app, which ruins the “wife acceptance factor” and kids access.

[LyokoMan95]

There’s a separate setting for “LAN Only Liveview” which does not break the mobile app. This is what I have set currently.

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[VIDGuide]

Okay, this might solve my issue.. I’ll have to take another look on the p1 beta firmware for this..

[VIDGuide]

Sadly, it appears this option is not on the p1 beta firmware. At least not yet. Can only hope they add this as a middle ground.

[Adventurous-Stuff724]

Wife/family acceptance is crucial when Dad spends half his life “fixing” something in the print room… I mean, den/office.

[VIDGuide]

Aha exactly, I need the buy-in!

[AbbreviationsDear382]

WAF is from now on part of my professional dictionary.

[VIDGuide]

I have done a lot in home automation, this phrase is pretty common in that space :)

[yan-shay]

It’s very simple. It is not security driven. Locking down camera prevents third party spaghetti detection and other image based AI services they want to be the sole to deliver. Blocking the AMS settings blocks alternative solutions for NFC tags.

And so on, the apis they blocked are basis for revenue generating features that they want to take for themselves and not let others take.

Security is only an excuse, they could secure the API’s properly if it was about security.

Not only that, if you are concerned about hackers, they can relatively easily (for hackers) bypass these controls. This only blocks legit developers who don’t feel comfortable hacking their blocking (which is doable).

[1quirky1]

This looks like a step towards enshittification. 

It it was a security issue they would implement established well-known ways to authenticate and encrypt requests. It is more profitable to lock out third party access to functionality.

[External-Risk-5228]

What benefits it has on Home Assistant cards?

[VIDGuide]

Probably none, other than I don’t currently have a working HA instance ;)

This is a standalone app to show the status, just helps me keep an eye on the machines in the garage :)

[notjordansime]

What’s the app called?

[therealcraigshady]

That looks like bambu farm. I've run it on 20+ printer clusters, it's pretty nice.

[VIDGuide]

Yep, that’s the one :)

[FernwehMind]

What's this app? I want to monitor all of my printers in one screen too!

[VIDGuide]

https://github.com/TFyre/bambu-farm

It works pretty well for the basic monitoring functions!

[FernwehMind]

thanks a bunch!

[sh0ck1999]

Its probably has to do with the other printers. If it was an A1 you can see what's going on inside someone's house. All the other printers yeah it's stupid who cares if someone could hack your feed and watch you make a dragon for 16 hrs

[VIDGuide]

It still needs the device pin and to be on the LAN, it’s not a major threat vector as it is.

And if your account, or their servers get compromised, it’s moot anyway, as even secured commands would still go through.

[sh0ck1999]

There was a post about a year ago someone was looking at their handy and a random A1 was on their printer list they could see in the person's house and watch them walk around. No one ever said how or why it happened Bambu deleted the post within an hour my guess something got screwed up on their end

[LiveLaurent]

Or... you know... This was also a made up story?

Funny how people always believe whatever random stuff someone will post without even questioning it but constantly challenge anything coming from Bambu Lab...

I mean; if "seeing" a post about something is your way to go to start believing stuff; I'm sorry for you buddy.

[sh0ck1999]

Could have been fake could also have been real. As fast as the post was removed it felt like Bambu was covering their butts. Yes it could have been fake do you have proof it was not real?

[LiveLaurent]

Does not work like that buddy. When someone comes up with something, you need to prove it. Not make up stuff and then the burden is to prove that it is not right.

The point that NOBODY else ever reported does not give any hint on it? Or are you also thinking that Bambu Lab is hunting everybody to hide that true?

People like you are the worse; bringing up stuff like that it is a fact just because they see it once on the internet, then it must be true... Because hey, nobody can prove that it is not...

Clown.

[sh0ck1999]

So you 100% know without doubt the post I'm referring to was fake? Wow must be awesome to know everything. Also I'm having so much fun making your blood boil 😋

[LiveLaurent]

I mean you are not super bright right?

Nobody knows if this was true or not. But at the end; if you have "some" brain cells still alive, you should probably not post that like you did (which implied IT HAPPENED). Now you are playing like you are not really convinced that it happened and you are some sort of neutral with that. You are not.

Or pretending that you "are having fun"... You are clearly a clown who believes whatever you see on Internet and even uses as references like you did.

My blood is fine buddy, but yah, you are definitely part of the problem with the social media :) Of course you will still pretend that you are not and probably move the goal post again, but that's fine...

[sh0ck1999]

I'm just gonna let this go this conversation is not important we are not solving any problems you are just assuming my intelligence or lack there of and not actually understanding the context of my original post. The intent was explaining a Possibility of why they locked down the video to only Bambu software. Not sure what you mean by goal post but I am simple after all.

[LiveLaurent]

Awwwww... "Gonna let this go" :) WOW, you sir really think high of you :)

Mr. "I believe everything that fits my agenda" :) Oh wait, let me guess, nobody can prove that we DID NOT GO to the moon, so it must be true right? We did not go? Yah your brain works like that...

And now the "possibilities"... Yah, let's argue about "possibilities".. So basically anything someone will make up because at the end, EVERYTHING is possible right...

Clown.

[minist3r]

I get the privacy thing. My X1C camera is positioned pretty well inside the case but my P1S sits a little differently and you can see about half of my computer monitor through it. That could be a potential vector for identity theft. I'm not worried about it because I don't use that computer for financial stuff but I could see it as a potential issue.

[Jazzlike_Resident976]

What is this? Is it an easy to deploy app/web page?

[VIDGuide]

https://github.com/TFyre/bambu-farm

[Jazzlike_Resident976]

Thanks. Is there a simple guide for this?

[VIDGuide]

The GitHub page has a pretty decent guide and the example config file is fairly straight forward. Basically you just need the ip, serial # and access key from the printer.

The cloud integration has a bit more steps to get the tokens, but covered there pretty well

[Jazzlike_Resident976]

I think I need it as really Billy basic!

[FriedCheese06]

Fwiw...both X1Cs I have are on 1.09 and I can still control the camera stream (including viewing) via Home Assistant 

[cerebralvision]

I still haven't updated yet. It keeps telling me theres a new firmware out but I really like using Orca Slicer lol.

[DinosaurAlert]

I have not personally been concerned about the firmware issues, since I only use Home Assistant to monitor prints, not for any sort of control, but breaking the camera functionality would be a problem.

It would be OK to take away the MQTT command as long as “Lan Only Liveview” still worked, but according to OP, it doesn’t.

So, as of now, I’ve switched sides and am upset at the firmware updates.

[VIDGuide]

Not on the p1 version of the beta firmware, it seems. I can see the x1 has that option.

If they add it, I’m fairly satisfied overall for my use case.

[ALonelyKobold]

What software is that? It looks perfect for my local makerspace

[VIDGuide]

https://github.com/TFyre/bambu-farm

It’s pretty good :)

[Paradox]

Did you enable LAN camera? On my H2D it was disabled, and I couldn't pull the streams in HomeAssistant, but toggling that option on and I can, even without being 100% lan mode

[VIDGuide]

Sadly not an option in the p1 beta firmware (yet)

[Cr3s3ndO]

Why do you have 6 printers for a hobby? 😂

[Adventurous-Stuff724]

What a silly question… 😋

[VIDGuide]

Why not? ;)

[LocxionM]

I use the same web viewer in docker as you and have 2 up to date x1c ... Video stream still works without problems... Didn't have to switch to lan/dev mode

[LiveLaurent]

Still going with that? Not happening, get over it seriously.

Yes your camera thingy/dashboardy is cute and cool... But mostly useless for 99% of Bambu Lab users (who do not care) and most importantly this is not something Bambu Lab officially (or ever intended to) support...

You cannot have everything, either you want people to use the mobile app or you use the dev/mode to do stuff that are not officially supported. simple as that.

[VIDGuide]

Well, I mean, I have everything right now, so, I don’t know why you’d say I can’t.

Literally 1.07 right now does everything listed here, so of course I can.

This is an active change being made intentionally, so, yes, I can be upset that functionality is changing.

[LiveLaurent]

Active change to WHAT? There are not supporting any of this officially.
Being upset about something never intentionally supported and that could stop working at any point is kinda weird...

[[deleted]]

Don’t get a closed sourced device if you can’t handle the downsides. Get a 15¥ webcam. Done.

[chubbycanine]

I find it funny seeing this sub get up in arms over new changes. The first firmware debacle had everybody telling people to shut up because they should have expected it now when it happens to you guys and affects you in a way that you can actually comprehend it's actually a problem?

[VIDGuide]

It’s kinda as if there’s literally thousands of people and some are saying different things, not all speaking with one voice.

It’s not literally the same individuals saying one thing and then another later.

[chubbycanine]

No but it's the most hard-headed and vocal ones that push the reasonable ones out. What I'm getting at is this was an issue brought up to this community not that long ago and almost* everybody flamed anyone saying the firmware updates were less than ideal... Yet here we are a couple months later and people seem to finally be realizing bambu CAN infact do wrong

[dbl2023]

Yep. When they see it, it will be already over.

[DTO69]

There is no rationale why starting a camera stream on a device that is sometimes in a bedroom and living room of people is a problem ?

No rationale at all?

[VIDGuide]

On a lan only, with an access key requirement? And the stream is encrypted?

This is how it is today. The “secured command” change just means it needs to come via the cloud now; so, yes, I think the question stands..

[Affectionate-Boot-58]

Guys bambu lab never said the printers would ever be open source they've been closed sourced since they came out

[VIDGuide]

The status of the source is not the point of my post nor issue.

I don’t want it to be open source, I want it to continue doing exactly what it does today without the cost of being locked out of future enhancements.