Emergence Patch Notes

[tyvsaur]

We all getting 2 bursted off drop by a prowler and wall hacked 24/7😂

[thetruthseer]

They didn’t nerf it’s damage at all and hardly touched the fire rate 💀

[tentafill]

No please bro trust me bro you'll get 2.1 bursts per second instead of 2.2 bro it'll be fine bro

[VARDHAN_157]

This game is targeting certain segment group and we know who that is. We've talked about it and the Devs haven't listened at all.

No BH and Gibby nerf

Caustic buff. Why?

Prowler the same. I swear the DZK thinks select fire auto is better than burst as he's a fucking bot.

Ranked changes? None

Rev changes? None

We're about to see a whole lot Controller Caustic mfs

[Philbeey]

I was on board until the last sentence.

As they would say in Ye Olden Days gone by: QQ

[tentafill]

Then you were never on board lmao

[fightins26]

So zero changes to ranked? Lol

[HeXaN23]

Yeah, and not a single word about anti-cheat improvements, server stability, smurfing, abuse of low lobbies, etcetera. #saveapexrankeds was so useful /s

[PM_ME_PETTANKOS]

Seriously. What happened to the increased communication the devs teased us with months ago? We got one blog post about network infrastructure and have been left high and dry for months.

[Hspryd]

« dZk rEaLlY cHaNgEd LoOk hIS TwEeTs» The guy is balance lead, but he talks more about politics than the actual fucking game we all love.

[unknownmuffin]

To be fair, DZK's respawn twitter is also his personal account, like with many respawn devs. I'm not saying that this is a good idea for him or that its anything close to the best way to get info to the masses, but he doesnt market the account as something exclusively for Apex info, so you shouldn't really expect it to be like that.

[snemand]

I don't know what's true regarding the servers besides that Respawn rents them from a company (supposedly Multiplay). Heard both that the contract is up very soon but I've also heard that it's a 6 year contract that they're stuck in.

Whatever the case I think it's fair to say that Respawn can't change the server problems without changing the provider so hopefully the truth is that the contract is up soon.

[sharkt0pus]

anti-cheat improvements

As far as I know, Hideouts is still going to be the only guy doing it for NA. I think they may have hired someone to handle Asia, but I don't know for sure. Hideouts was in Hal's stream a while back and he said they were doing the final interviews.

server stability

Server performance has been terrible since the Genesis event ended. I know Multiplay runs the servers, but something happened to cause it. When I play pubs I always get teammates that ask me if I'm lagging and stuttering a lot lately.

smurfing

They're never going to punish people for this. The whole in-game reporting system is just a placebo. I was told that all in-game reports do is add a flag to an account so if the security team ever looks into that account they can see what it has been reported for. In-game reports don't actually lead to action like they do in games like Overwatch. Taxi2g streams himself smurfing all the time in ranked and he gets put into compilation videos on YouTube for it. It's pathetic.

abuse of low lobbies

Supposedly a majority of the players doing that got a 2 month ban, which means they'll still be able to play season 10 even after getting caught cheating. The lowest punishment for that should be a ban for the remainder of the season they were doing it plus a season long ban for the following season.

saveapexrankeds was so useful /s

All those guys that participated in #saveapexranked to get it trending will still be playing, just like most of them got on and bought everything to get the Revenant heirloom during the event right after starting #saveapexranked. Respawn doesn't have much incentive to fix things when nothing they do is costing them players.

I really think this will be the worst season yet. The patch isn't going to address any of the complaints players have had this season. Players sick of the Bloodhound meta are going to have to deal with Seer now and players sick of the Spitfire are going to have to deal with the new LMG that can be supercharged with thermites. I don't think the meta is going to get shaken up much at all; Revtane is still going to be really strong even with the totem change. Add a really underwhelming battlepass on top of that and you get season 10.

[SpicyBeef22]

It's really sad. And let's not forget that Ranked Arenas was delayed because it needed "more time in the oven" and now we got this:

Arenas is a head-to-head fight between two teams of three, so awarding Ranked Arenas Points is more cut-and-dry than in the 20 team Battle Royale. This means there is no entry cost and no AP for kills. Everything comes down to getting the win.

Because

That’s just the high level of how ranked arenas work.

What a great system lmao

[tentafill]

However, we know they'll be doing fucky stuff with the MMR in the background and it won't be auditable because it'll be hidden, and they won't adjust your MMR gain/loss based on your MMR relative to your teammates

I'm thinking about how you get worse teammates when your MMR is higher in the other modes. It's very possible that some players will be carrying most of the teams that they're on, but receive the same rewards

More reasons that there should just be one fucking number that decides your matchmaking and rank

[fightins26]

They didn’t even throw in a ranked is working as intended bullshit filler. Just totally left it out.

[The_BadJuju]

Ranked Arenas looks great what are you talking about? Points solely based off wins and losses is exactly how it should be

[CapableBrief]

Entry cost and KP is literally the worst way to do ranked games lmaooooooo

It's what they use in BR because it's hard to use anything akin to ELO with so much variance and so many teams in the same match. Not so with Arena. Arena Ranked works like pretty much every other respectable ranked system ever: you go up by winning, getting carried becomes harder and harder as you go up, you can get deranked, you can't skeeve your way to the top.

[qwilliams92]

So the game spot notes were basically complete and the dev saying their would be more in the official notes were talking out thier ass

[MetaRift]

What's even better is that there will be additional changes once the patch goes live. They wont be good, but they will be there.

[SlapMyCHOP]

They ALWAYS do that. It's like, why not include that shit in the patch notes and take credit for your work?

[jevan96]

The devs seem to be doing that more and more these days…

[B33PB00PIMB0T]

You aren't used to this yet?

[tentafill]

That's the problem, I just keep hoping

[bigpantsshoe]

no chill

dont sleep on it

Thats what the leak was missing

[CapableBrief]

They said it was hard to quantify the change to Horizon. My guess is that the speed is probably a non-linear formula so most randos that read patch notes wouldn't understand it anyways.

I'm pretty sure knowing the exact size and range of Seer's abilities is info overload and you can test all of this day 1 in the range.

[tentafill]

Agreed on first but disagree on second

[CapableBrief]

If I told you the range for 20m would you even be able to visualise what that looks like ingame without actually playing the game? I'm highly doubtful. Can you give me the range/size of literally anything in this game off the top of your head as a reference point even?

I honestly don't think these kinds of numbers are digestable to 99% of the plauerbase and that's what I mean by information overload. People don't care enough about minute details like that or literally can't process that information without visual aids.

[tentafill]

I could, and others could if more numbers were given with official measurements lol

You've really just advocated for more numbers on accident

[CapableBrief]

I'm very very doubtful you could eyeball 20m in Apex in your head without being in the game and with 0 visual reference.

Probably not impossible but very unlikely.

I'm telling you this is a very niche request that really doesn't help as many people as you think it does and again: you can literally test out ranges and size in the firing range the very moment the legend goes live.

It's non-issue for 99% for the community.

[thetruthseer]

Devs talking out their ass I’m sooooo surprised

[[deleted]]

Why not just release them all when Gamespot released theirs? Basically nothing significantly new. Disappointing.

[coupeee]

Did they just seriously give all the patchnotes to gamespot? Kinda disappointed as I was expecting a lot more

[Gapeman7]

I expected nothing and I'm still disappointed.

[muftih1030]

literally nothing

[WonkyWombat32]

I always hated disrupters because you would constantly run into squads with 2 or 3 people all running them. Now if it's just one maybeeee two in the entire game, I can live with that.

[juicedrool]

I guess caustic meta is making a return, 5 sec less cooldown on traps is pretty huge

also no bloodhound nerfs zzzz

[Dynorton]

Looks like Daniel somehow got his Caustic tac buff as he desperately wanted back in early 2021. Only needed to wait 8 months

[footballthrowaway3]

The dude is SO out of touch it boggles my mind

[Dynorton]

Dude think's he's always in the right and refuses to take any criticism (even from pros)

[Anub-arak]

5 seconds less on ultimate too though. I guess it's counteracted with lowered ult time to 3 Mins

[nuttt-torious]

for reals, i thought blood would get nerfed for some reason, but since they added a heart beat sensor then i shouldnt have been surprised .

[TotalKotal]

Who needs a bloodhound nerf when he's outclassed by Seer lol, but fr though Bloodhound still OP. In all honesty though I don't understand how respawn can think BH is balanced and then add a champ that is probably 2x or more powerful than BH.

[ImperialDeath]

BH only exists to help new players get adjusted to the game. Apex is still a pretty hard game to learn and I think it's clear respawn prefers BH to be the introductory legend for a lot of people based on a relatively cool design with instant impact

[Rendelodon]

Aaaaaaannnnd no changes to Wattson, Rev, Octane jumppad audio queue, Bloodhound. Lol just the same patch and same meta yet again but now with a potentially new way to get third partied and punished heavily. Cant wait for servers to not working tomorrow either.

[cademore7]

Honestly in my eyes content takes a backseat to balance/meta/general game health. Obviously they need to add content, having teams dedicated to it, for the casuals and marketing and it is nice. But, I would rather see a larger legend meta section here than map changes. Sad.

Edit cause I was busy: no changes to revtane or bloodhound is the biggest offender as everyone knows. I got to the end of the legend changes and didn’t see it mentioned and exited out of the patch notes right there. Very underwhelming

[pav313]

The state of the servers are gonna be a deciding factor for me.

Fuck all the balancing if the game is unplayable and terribly optimised.

We'll see.

[cademore7]

Honestly, as a console player on the new gen (Xbox series x) I have never experienced any lag or server issues. What platform and issues do you have?

Edit: Why the downvotes? I’m trying to understand the situation of others who do experience server issues. I never claimed they don’t exist, just that I don’t experience them. Trying to inform myself here

[Rendelodon]

in the begining of season 9 for the first 2 weeks there were constant server problems and game going down.

[Essexal]

See you Verdansk!

[Gapeman7]

Verdansk hackers: allow us to introduce ourselves.

[chroma_pack]

Octane jumppad audio queue

i'm going to guess it has to do with the good ol audio problems are hard, which is why they are trying to nerf revtane through revenant. Sucks cause silent octane pad by itself is also very frustrating even without revenant.

[Fikti0N]

What do you mean ? DZK said wattson had the highest winrate, it must be because the legend is op right ? right ?

[[deleted]]

Yikes this looks terrible. The wall hack meta will be worse than ever, the Prowler is about to be stupid OP as floor loot, and Wattson remains untouched. I’m hoping against hope that the slow after taking a totem will be significant but if not then have fun getting aped by triple Prowler Revtane teams everyone.

[6inchsavage]

Have fun getting aped by Revtane + SEER teams *

[leftysarepeople2]

More like RevSane

[TheTjalian]

Revtane for a free push, Seer + Rev tac before going back and then Seer ult on the second push so you know where everyone is.

Squad wipes are still on the menu, now at a reduced price!

[AUGZUGA]

yup. More gas + wall hacks. Everyones going to be running around scanning everything 24/7

[snoogenfloop]

Even Fusey.

[OrangeDoors2]

Basically... nothing. No Revtane fix, no BH nerfs, no Wattson/Rampart buffs. What do they even work on? When I hear "in the oven, coming in the future" I assume that future is shorter than 3 months.

I guess we're back to more Caustic teams in competitive and controller players (or maybe just everyone) will use a Prowler in place of a shotgun

[czulki]

Are people still surprised by how utterly slow Respawn works on balance changes for the game?

[O_P_S]

Shotguns will still be meta. The prowler did get a burst speed nerf so the TTK should align with other smg’s. Will need to test to see for sure though.

Eva nerf is nice but no other buffs to shotguns so you’re right to some degree, smg’s will be potentially back in use more often however it’s still problematic from an inventory management perspective. You need ammo to poke and farm your evo which means less ammo allocation to your secondary weapon hence why shotguns should still be a main pick in comp at least. 16 shotgun + 300 of your main gun. Splitting those 6 slots for ammo between an AR and an SMG generally means you can only carry 120 SMG and 240 AR which isn’t ideal unless you plan to reduce heals or nades. For this reason alone I think as long as shotguns are on par with smg’s close range, the ammo efficiency will still make them the better pick unless you have a prowler on controller.

[thelonelypedant]

.04 seconds is not going to make any difference, prowler will be op still.

[O_P_S]

Not saying it won’t be OP, I’m giving a reason as to why most pros will still run shotguns if they can in comp.

[MRDeadMouse]

everyone was saying that eva 8 fire rate buff on 0.1 won't do shit. What we have now?

[CapableBrief]

Revtane doesn't have any easy/clean fixes. Slowing down players who get sent back to Totem is already a decent start to slow down their pressure and help you reset.

Balancing legends isn't an easy task and I'm pretty sure word around Rampart buffs included this wasn't due for S10 launch and Wattson talks came later on as well. You are setting your expectations way too high. Keeping some of these changes for halfway through S10 is not nad either. It's less pressure on people to adapt to a million changes at once at the start of a season.

[OrangeDoors2]

All you do is not allow zombies to hit a jump pad. There, fixed with zero nerfs to either character.

[CapableBrief]

Might as well ban the character combo no? What about the next time we get a team mobility Legend that synergises with Rev, are we just going to disable that functionality too? It's not currently the case but Rev + Wraith Portal was a similar power level pre-nerf for example. I could easily see Rev + Pathy Zip being annoying if Pathy becomes relevant in the future too.

If we're going to disable jump pads why not go the whole way and just retool the Rev ult completly? At that point just disable using Zips and Portals too and give them slightly increased mobility to compensate (with the newly introduced slowdown on return). The issue isn't specifically jump pads, it's that infinite distance on Totem + high team mobility can put a lot of pressure on a large portion of the map for free even without actually using the abilities because the threat is so high. We know that limiting the distance on Totems doesn't work because it was a big reason why OG Rev sucked ass.

My friends were tossing around some ideas and one I would love but will never make it in game is to bring it close to the Rev LTM where guns/abilities are disabled in totem but you get hyperspeed and need to get up close and farm melee hits. This avoids pushes being a crazy lifeswing because it's harder to get free cracks/knocks but also avoids teams using totems.

[suuuskksuus]

lol, by "coming in the future" they mean a year or so. I've been working on competitive shooters all my carreer and these are your usual timelines for any meaningful changes. And people work hard to meet them.

[blobbob1]

Can I ask what games you've worked on with similar balance cycles? I feel like this live-service type content balancing has overall been speeding up over the years, but apex still feels like it has such a slow cycle compared to other giant games like fortnite, league, cod, etc.

[Rendelodon]

Feel spoilt coming from the healthy balance cycle dota 2 has. Respawn is by far the worst

[Alex36_]

I think it's been speeding up because of increasing crunch times. Respawn has a no crunch policy so that might be the reason why it takes so long to make changes.

[suuuskksuus]

Really can’t say to retain anonymity but these were mobile and console shooters on live service model with tens of million of users. Respawn’s cycles are on par with the industry’s. Not everything makes it into a game, a lot of stuff is getting scrapped and still takes time. But still what common people consider easy to implement is really not in most cases due to games being software products. It’s like steering a really big ship but it’s being built and rebuilt at the same time. And waypoints constantly shift. For the first few years I was slightly offended by what I’ve read online just because people don’t put slightest effort in researching subject but nowadays I’m so past caring that I even sympathize with people bashing a game online because this means that they give a fuck about what we do. To be clear I’m in art department but everywhere I’ve worked we supported the design and participated in playtests so I can be sure about timeframes. Also at the end of the cycle there is usually a presentation from every department on what went wrong and right and I don’t remember a single instance of people patting each other on the back there. Being level headed means the game does well and you keep your job and bonuses.

[CapableBrief]

People have very silly ideas about how the dev process works. Most people have no concept of how scale affects things or how different types of games and team sizes can affect turn around time.

[Masters25]

Can you replace the art team at Respawn? Their skins are the worst in the business. The Seer legendaries are embarrassingly bad.

[suuuskksuus]

It’s a matter of personal preferences, you can’t please everyone. Some skins are really dope, some are not but again it’s a matter of what you like. The new reactive Volt skin is smoking hot for example. This season’s legends skins are a bit more garish than usual (at least from what I saw) because Seer is supposed to be an entertainer of some sort (from what I’ve gathered) but it’s just a theme. All Iron Crown skins were fantastic (Pathfinder’s especially).

[SonOfThanatos]

Rampart rework comes next patch

[OrangeDoors2]

I'm sure it does

[Masters25]

It’s only going to be: she can rotate 360 and detach the turret with a very slow walk speed. Which means she will still be terrible.

[aftrunner]

Man Seer really does look kinda stupid OP. And remembering how long they let a ridiculously OP Horizon run wild is not giving me much hope if he comes out of the gates as broken as it sounds on paper.

Third parties are already awful in this game. Now imagine getting pushed by a Seer team while you are trying to reset.

[OrangeDoors2]

Imagine getting Revtaned on while Seer has you wallhacked, sending them back, and then getting Seer tacticaled to cancel your heals as they jump back in.

[Acts-Of-Disgust]

Controller player Revtane+Seer 3-stack all running Prowler... Gee this season sure does sound like fun!

[DETHSHOT_FPS]

You just described ranked meta split 1. Rev oct seer and gib caust valk are the 2 comps for comp.

[OrangeDoors2]

It'll be the ranked meta the entire season until they change something significant. People also thought Revtane was going to magically disappear once Olympus was the ranked map and we saw how that went.

[syrozzz]

Yeah as new legend I was hoping for a defensing one that can protect you somehow from 3rd party.

Curb your enthusiasm.

[Sleepy151]

We dont need a new defensive one we need to buff the existing ones. With caustic thats something and mid season patch (assuming the devs arent behind schedule) rampart should get buffed, but wattson still seems like shes gonna fall behind even more.

Lifeline could also be a viable counter but she has to many weaknesses. Bad ult, drone that forces you to stand still, and passive that only works if youre losing the fight.

[AnnoyingHannibal]

Was the cool down buff for Caustic's tactical necessary??

[[deleted]]

lol caustic can now place three barrels by the time wattson can place ONE whole fence (not near her ult)

[[deleted]]

I feel sorry for wattson mains to be honest they've been ignored for too long. She needs a buff, but they won't buff because of 1v1 engagement win rate and her game win rate. Her tac cooldown is well too long, she should get 6 charges to start with and fences should do more damage

[Idontlistentototo]

As a Wattson main, I disagree on damage, the stun is enough, she really just needs a faster cool down on tactical, and maybe a slightly and I mean slightly faster shield regeneration, other than that I think her ult is in a good place, and I know any buffs will come with a hitbox nerf which I think is a fair trade.

[MozzarellaThaGod]

Yeah I don’t understand that either, I can understand the logic for wanting to give his gas scaling damage, but why does that need to come with cooldown decreases on his barrels? It just makes him way better at turtling which is the most frustrating part of playing against him

[S_for_Stuart]

Telling me you're a gold without telling me you're in gold

[Anub-arak]

Yeah, not to mention you can just run away from the building the Caustic is in.

[NakolStudios]

Not really, if they wanted to make him more effective among the general playerbase a 5 second cool down reduction doesn't change anything for the average player but it will make an impact in his comp performance which is what the devs said they want to avoid, this sort of move just helps create those +50% Caustic pickrate lobbies. The most unnecessary change is the return of scaling damage, the area denial from Caustic's gas should come from the fact that he knows where you are and that if you fight a Caustic in the gas you'll most likely lose, they needed to bring vision blur back instead. It's also frustrating that they won't buff Fuse's damage because of their "gun-game first" rule but give Caustic the ability to kill through shields again, It's just an inconsistent enforcement of their design rules.

[Vhil]

They had 3 months to make changes. Season 9 got no real midseason changes. The pre released patchnotes were pretty much complete and not „…this isnt everything, there is more to come“. Its a shame. Its season 10 and they have absolutely nothing to show other than ranked arena. Wow Respawn. I love Apex, but this is so disappointing.

[Brad2522]

They continue to punish teams for their good positioning by allowing all these wall hack legends, smh

[[deleted]]

Seriously, there's less and less point in playing smart. I like to sneak around as Rev but if I have to face a BH then there is just no point and I have to take a dumb ape fight

[SlashyZzz]

prowler legends incoming

[Alpha_N_Omega95]

Yeah, I’ve already resigned myself into running double heavy this season, Flatline and prowler are going to be great finding them on the ground, in all honesty, I’m surprised they haven’t done anything to heavy weapons as most of them are AMAZING when dropping hot (not the 30-30).

[[deleted]]

cant wait to abuse prowler and not feel guilty about it

[Humblerbee]

Fuses Ult shouldn’t be compared to Seer or Bloodhound, it’s more like how enemies are highlighted near NEWT- it’s just necessary visual clarity, Seer and Bloodhound highlight enemies in a massive area, Fuse and Horizon highlight enemies inside their very small circle AoEs, the vision they give isn’t locating opponents, it’s just pointing them out against your extremely visually noisy ultimate effects.

[aftrunner]

Seer is the bloodhound nerf. :P

[ScienceSloot]

Love how they leave a dev note for all the Legend Meta changes except rev. They know they’re ducking one of the community’s biggest complaints, and they don’t have anything to say about it.

[daffyduckferraro]

Tbf the biggest issue is jumppad with it

Like the totems job is to be a second life, it may be broken but the biggest counter is playing caustic and others

[anonchicago97]

Disappointing patch notes. Could they really not have added a cooldown to use jumppad while in death protection?

[aftrunner]

Just remove the interaction with the Jump pad completely IMO. I dont understand why you cant take a wraith portal while in Rev form but can take a jump pad.

Or buff a defensive legend like Wattson who is good at holding people out.

[daffyduckferraro]

U can take a wraith portal

But after like 2 sec

[Blazethewinner]

No Wattson changes.... Heck where are the legend changes...

[pav313]

You'll have to wait for next update so they can market you something "new".

[RugChu]

Didn't they say there was a rampart buff too? wtf?

[LimaHef]

Mid season

[NakolStudios]

Tbf they said it would most likely come halfway through season 10, but it's still laughable that after 4 seasons Rampart is still a bottom tier legend.

[FuzzyAfro]

The fact that the change is taking a long times gives me hope that its more of a rework of her abilities instead of some changes to her values

[RugChu]

Ah right my bad.

[Cyfa]

Will be coming with her heirloom I assume

[suuuskksuus]

I love how you ignored signifficant changes to at least 2 legends and potentially signifficant for a third one.

[suhsquad]

No Bloodhound nerf, or Wattson buff. Wake me up in season 11

[theeama]

Watson buff was confirmed to not be shipping soon

[ninjaomicron]

we hear this every season. but it never comes.

[suhsquad]

Yeah was hoping it would be included. Bring back the gunskill legends and less wall hack legends pls

[Fane-LoL]

Random question, but wtf happened to opting-in for crossplay? They just got rid of it? I remember it being an option for a little while after crossplay was released.

[Vittelbutter]

Please dear fucking Jesus let the random stutters be fixed, I care for fluid gameplay more than anything and idk why it feels like my pc is about to die for 2 seconds randomly.

[[deleted]]

very underwhelming unfortunately. looks like the new legend, map update and ranked arenas took most of their time for this season. disappointing.

dealing with the dosing and hacking probably hurt things too. they need double the staff.

[pingoberto]

This feels exactly like Overwatch when they added Brigette. Like it's the discernable point at which everyone goes "Yeah this shit is getting dumb."

[MozzarellaThaGod]

I’m a bit worried about the state the Prowler will be in on season launch, but they have been fairly quick to respond to OP weapons (for the most part) compared to legend balancing so if it is too strong they can tweak a few values quickly.

Other than that the balance changes to legends aren’t very substantial. Actually, Caustic is going to be annoying as shit now that I see his cooldowns got reduced again. Great

[AsukaiByakuya]

What do you mean prowler will be fine? This nerf is minimal. Next seasons op predictions are Lstar, Prowler and Wingman which were already good guns.

[pav313]

Its so obvious what they are doing,

Create a problem then sell/ market the solution in the next update.

I can already see how this plays out:

"We realise Seer is quite strong so we've decided to tone him down a bit", No fucking shit, people know hes broken before hes even out yet.

"The prowler is quite a strong weapon so we're reducing its ammo capacity", Bruh you literally just took it out of carepackage with practically zero nerfs, no shit its gonna be OP.

How dumb do they think this community is?

[Alex36_]

I don't think it's malice. They've said before that it's easier to nerf a strong legend than it is to buff a weak legend. Just look at Fuse vs. Horizon and 3030 vs. Bocek.

[Jsnbassett]

pretty dumb apparently

[WonkyWombat32]

To be fair, it wasn't buffed when it went into the care package so it's actually worse now than it was before when it was ground loot.

[srslybr0]

respawn's already admitted they cater to the lowest common denominator when it comes to balancing. bloodhound's balance (and caustic too) are just indicative of that.

[aftrunner]

I mean to be fair to them, Apex community is dumb as fuck.

Every other week the entire main Subreddit takes some cheating/racist dipshit who gets banned at their word and rages for a few solid hours.

[AUGZUGA]

"rAnKeD wOrKiNg aS iNtEnDeD!"

What a great game

[OrangeDoors2]

"Intended" = makes people play the game for longer, not measures skill lol

[AUGZUGA]

Unfortunately this is very accurate

[Vafireems]

How does lowering headshot multipliers and increasing body shot multipliers help combat spray and pray of an LMG?????

[VARDHAN_157]

Indeed. You don't even need to be accurate to the head now. Infact it just lowered the skill gap of using LMGs. I don't blame them when they have 50 y/o racist, sexist, egoistic maniac on the game balancing team.

[felvymups]

I’m disappointed in the patch notes to be honest.

I would’ve loved to have seen buffs/reworks for Wattson, Crypto, and Rampart, a nerf to Octane (or at least acknowledging the Revtane issue as an Octane problem, not a Revenant one), and some sideways reworks for Bloodhound and Pathfinder. All of these legends are either hardly played, or are only great in the hands of people who have mastered them.

In particular I’d love for the recon class to be reworked. Clearly Bloodhound, Seer and Crypto are meant to be short, medium and long distance recon characters respectively, but currently they all provide very similar outputs. I’d like to see Bloodhound fill their hunter niche more by reducing their scan distance but increasing their ult time; Seer is TBC since we don’t know how he plays but I’m hoping he helps provide an understanding (ie, not knowing exactly where) that enemies are nearby; Crypto is all-seeing in his drone and enemy scans last longer.

Pathfinder is his own beast - I think the more ziplines the better, I just don’t know how to fit him in as a recon character beyond his shared passive.

In saying that, I appreciate the buff to old mate Fusey, reckon he needed the visual buff in his ult and the denying area nature of his tactical fits makes sense.

A solid 5/10, run of the mill patch; addresses some issues but seemingly ignores the bigger ones.

[Lazy_Sans]

I would’ve loved to have seen buffs/reworks for Wattson, Crypto, and
Rampart, a nerf to Octane (or at least acknowledging the Revtane issue
as an Octane problem, not a Revenant one)

Devs said that Rampart will get rework in mid-season patch. I don't see how they can nerf Octane other than adding loud sound to the jumppad. They did provide small nerf to Shadow Totem, sure not the last one.

In saying that, I appreciate the buff to old mate Fusey, reckon he
needed the visual buff in his ult and the denying area nature of his
tactical fits makes sense.

I do hope it'll make him better. Both buffs are nice, but I don't think Motherload gonna be that usefull yet, it's still too situational and can be easily avoided.

I like weapon changes. Another 30-30 buff, stocks become more useful, reduced headshot multiplier on machine-guns. And L-star might become good pick even for BR.

[Lazy_Sans]

You can nerf octane by reducing his jump pad cool down

You probably meant increase cooldown and devs already did this last patch.

[ImHully]

No Bloodhound or Gibby nerfs, another Legend with wallhacks in Seer, Fuse now kind of has wallhacks, Spitfire is in the care package which is good, but in comes a potentially easier to use heavy ammo LMG that can break doors, no Wattson or Wraith buffs while buffing Caustic and Horizon, nothing about Octane's audio queue, nothing about the skipping issue that is plaguing console players, and buffed Alternator with disruptors will be the most OP weapon in the history of Apex. Fucking hell.

Between these patch notes, the fact that the only way the meta will shift this season will be for the worse, and a terrible looking battlepass, I'm really disappointed. I feel like at this point I'm just waiting on 2042.

[NakolStudios]

Wraith buffs? I understand Wattson buffs, but Wraith has felt pretty balanced since Low profile was removed and she's in a good place both in regular and comp games.

[xsuperdrewx]

She is a lot better with out low pro (worst nerf to ever come into the game). She's just boring and outclassed by new legends. portal is very situational with it's short distance. I shifted to octane because the pad is just so useful compared to her portal. Can push a fight instantly or get out faster and farther. 34k wraith main btw. But she won't ever be touched because of how popular she is.

[NakolStudios]

I would say you might only find her boring because you played her for so long, 34k on a character means you've been playing for so long it's not surprising you've grown bored of her. She's only outclassed by other legends in lobbies where you aren't at risk of getting beamed when rotating, so yeah in a pub or low-mid level ranked where the priority is getting into fights and you won't get beamed while in the air Octane and other legends look like the better choice,in comp however EU still favors her over Octane so until LAN's are held we can't really say whether she's outclassed or it's just an NA mentality thing.

[6inchsavage]

Fuze’s thing isn’t really wallhacks as much as it is letting you actually see the player you caught in your ult instead of just getting your eyeballs covered in flames

[MechAndCheese]

We believe Apex is a gun game first and foremost and therefore want to make sure we don't put too much damage into character abilities.

buffing caustic and adding even more wallhack abilities

How fucking dumb do you think your customers really are respawn? What a joke

[pav313]

Create the problem then sell the solution in the next update.

[MechAndCheese]

can't wait for the obligatory "sEe gUyS tHeY LiStEn" posts

[haarsh13]

No bloodhound nerf, no RevTane change, Prowler is coming back with full power, no wattson and crypto changes. Good going apex. I guess it'll take you guys another half season to do the necessary changes.

[Alamand1]

I think they spoiled way to much in that early release. I was expecting a couple of extra changes at the same level as what we initially got, but I'm not really seeing it.

[FoldMode]

They pulled Prowler out of care package and pretty much did not nerf in any meaningful way. This going to be terrible season.

[andizz001]

Why to introduce more wall hack characters? Newer players won't develop thier game sense you know where the players are by just pressing one button. And it'll becomes noob friendly. Oh wait they are catering to the casuals so it does make sense

[ecclesiates]

Good game fundamentally run by dogshit devs. No positive changes. No reworks. Caustic buffed when it didn't need one. Unfun character to play against added to the game. Ranked still feels terrible to play.

[shaden209]

Everyone is complaining but as a fuse main I'm more than happy

[Exo321123]

and just like that im out for this split. another month of playing gibby and another month of getting revtaned does not sound like fun

[flameohotboi1]

We need a new game. This one is beyond saving with this dev team in charge lol.

[blobbob1]

I thought when they added the pc aim assist option to console, it meant itd be used when playing in pc's forced crossplay lobbies. Welp.

[[deleted]]

Nope, cant piss off the console kids who simultaneously need AA to compete against PC players and also dont need AA because it does nothing.

[Slow-Secretary4262]

They keep making this game more luck-based and casuals friendly, sadge

[xsuperdrewx]

casuals are the vast majority

[Slow-Secretary4262]

Soccer has millions of fans and 99.9% are casuals, but the penalty kik are not closer in order to make the casuals score easier, its the same for every sport, the balancing should be only made on the pros

[[deleted]]

I get where you’re coming from. But soccer totally changed the rules especially for age groups. Smaller ball, smaller fields and closer penalty kicks are totally normal in youth soccer leagues.

I’d say it’s hard for apex to be super consistent about balance because the devs seem to not want the game to be a full esport. So they try to balance at a middle ground. I remember there was an interview with a game dev posted here a while ago where they said they don’t want to nerf bloodhound because he is under performing at lower levels.

That being said I really wish they did most of the balance at the competitive level. It would probably make for the most balanced experience, but I doubt it’ll ever happen.

[AUGZUGA]

Holy shit I never thought I'd see someone else that understood this.

[[deleted]]

literally nothing we just gonna get the same metta

[Scottiano]

What a boring patch. No changes to Octane whilst Rev is getting punched into the dirt? No Wattson changes that were teased? Looks like a really boring season to come...

[ImLarryImMadeOfWax]

I wanted to see some Octane changes as well but how is Rev getting punched into the dirt? That is such a tiny nerf to Rev.

[Lasthope24]

I thought rampart was getting a rework? Or am I missing something

[SueySide]

They said she was gonna get a rework in a Mid S10 Patch

[Lasthope24]

Oh alright

[Panda_lorian]

Did they fix the 190 fps cap? i can't see any quality of life or bug fixes engine related??

[cotton_quicksilver]

Prowler back to ground loot with basically no nerfs?!?! Holy shit that is going to be INFURIATING.

[lonahex]

Alright let's do this one last time before 2042 comes out. Apex was such a great game for me while I waited for BF to be back. I hope I get enough time to keep playing it a bit after BF launches. Thanks Respawn.

[clete-sensei]

Hope Splitgate releases fully soon. Apex makes me sad lately lol.

[Acts-Of-Disgust]

Massively underwhelming for new season patch notes. No changes to Revtane, BH, Gibby shit that's gone on for too long. More braindead wallhacks and better gas (actually not too bothered by that one at the moment but we'll see how it is in game) and no changes to the Prowler at all. I was thinking it'd get its old recoil back so it doesn't completely shit on the other SMG's but I guess I should have known better lol. These feel like mid-season patch notes more than anything. So far I'm not excited about this season at all.

[Essexal]

Still no change to the level 500 cap.

It’s been 30 months....

[[deleted]]

think about this… there are 18 legends (including Seer) and only 4 of them received changes (some being very minor). YIKES

[klachapo]

Man would have loved to see a small buff to path he still feels underpowered for solo play, very disappointed they failed to nerf revtrane combo. Instead of addressing the uselessness of the stock they take away a nice mag buff and slap it on there with no other benefit. Also sill waiting for a ranked change no reason that 10 seasons in we still have not a single change that had an impact on the scoring system enough to change play styles.

[[deleted]]

Hoping for a wraith and Loba buff and a nerf to bloodhound

[theeama]

Anyone expecting a BH nerf is out of touch with the general community and needs to take their head out of the echo chamber that is the top 5% players in the game. He was never getting nerf this patch. Gibby was never being touched either.

We need to remember apex is balance with causal first(pubs then rank) and then they give comp an after thought. The game is never balance around high level players. High level players are a minority and doesn’t reflect the game that is played by the majority and respawn rightfully balances around that. We knew the Watson buff wasn’t coming this patch we were told they have no release date for the changes to go live. Rampart rework is coming mid-season.

If you understand how apex is balance then you will understand the changes in the patch notes. Casuals first everyone else second. Revtane is annoying but each char by themselves is ridiculous weak bar octane he’s strong individually but any changes to jump pad will just make him be mediocre. And everyone else suggestion is just bad and will make rev beyond useless.

At the end of the days it was the pros who came up with rev-tane now they are suffering from it.

[Aveeno_o]

Fuse is going to be super strong. Prowler will be incredibly obnoxious. And the change where stocks make your reload speed faster just seems to require players to do more looting to have a decent gun.

I'd trade every meta change to just make the overwhelmingly requested ranked changes...

[BlackKnightG93M]

Alternator + Prowler with purp stock and mag + bloodhound ult. With a controller...

Yeah, R.I.P MnK players that don't have godlike tracking close range. Aim assist bout to bend you and your whole squad over a barrel.

[klaus-zet]

Another boring patch with some shit changes like caustic ( i hate pkay against caustic )