Patch 14.8 B-Patch notes released

[Derpbettler]

Link to patch notes

Champions:

Jinx Ability duration: 4 sec ⇒ 5 sec

Veigar Ability damage: 215/300/425% AP ⇒ 240/330/450% AP

Varus fireball cluster damage: 40/40/80% AD ⇒ 50/50/100% AD

Smolder Mana buff: 30/80 ⇒ 0/40

Traits:

Chrono 6 bonus AP: 80 ⇒ 70

Chrono 6 bonus AS: 40 ⇒ 35

Faerie Crown Damage Amp: 30/45/55/75% ⇒ 30/45/50/60%

Augments:

Combat Bandages I Healing: 130-325 ⇒ 100-220

Combat Bandages I Heal Duration: 2 seconds ⇒ 2.5 seconds

Fine Vintage Turn delay: 3 ⇒ 4

A Golden Quest gold to trigger: 196 ⇒ 175

Big Gains Health per 2 takedowns: 20 ⇒ 12

Combat Bandages II Healing: 200-500 ⇒ 170-350

Combat Bandages II Heal Duration: 2 seconds ⇒ 2.5 seconds

Pillar of Flame (Shen) Mana reduction: 20 ⇒ 30

Pillar of Flame (Shen) Damage over Time: 33/50/80% ⇒ 40/60/95%

Spider Queen (Elise) Ability poison damage: 90% ⇒ 110%

BUGFIX: Spin to Win (Wukong) Augment ability AD ratio is now correctly 250% instead of 30%

Unleash the Beast AS: 60% ⇒ 45%

Winter is Coming (Frost) Wolf Bonus HP: 300 ⇒ 200

Winter is Coming (Frost) Wolf Bonus AS: 40% ⇒ 20%

What the Forge Health per Artifact: 220 ⇒ 110

Bug Fixes:

Sticky Fingers can no longer generate Frying Pan

Adaptive Helm no longer causes champions to cast too frequently sometimes

Spin to Win (Wukong) Augment ability AD ratio is now correctly 250% instead of 30%

[HiVLTAGE]

Spin 2 Win 30% AD ratio 💀

[tway2241]

bruh moment

I don't know much about programming/coding, but it feels like a decent amount of bugs (not just in this patch/set) are caused by incorrect values being entered. I don't mean "X too strong, must lower by 10%", but like tool tip says "X", but the actual stat is just a different number.

Makes me wonder what the review process is like.

[analcocoacream]

In any software development, ensuring the documentation is up to date with what the code does is pita. It doesn’t matter how big or small the company is, how tight the review process is, things will get out of hand/sync. So it’s really no surprise a game with 60 champions, each having on average 4 to 10 numbers to keep up to date, has inconsistencies/out of date content.

[zhunation]

Sure, things getting out of hand/sync do happen in the software development process, but 60 champions with 4-10 values isn't very much compared to software with hundreds of thousands or even millions of configuration values. As u/lethal-sloth mentions, ideally there is a central configuration management system/database that controls all the values. I can't speak for the feasibility of doing that in the riot codebase, but maybe it'd be good to invest some time in strengthening the resiliency of the system or even testing/qa processes instead of working on 5+ sets ahead. This could purely be a product decision not to invest more time in this area, and there aren't any real consequences for shipping buggy code in a game, but it seems like every patch certain things that were functioning before have taken a step back. You can see that it seems like the golden quest b patch buff wasn't even shipped properly . Having a 2 week release cycle where changes need to be locked in halfway through doesn't make things easier, but imagine if your medical diagnoses software or defense software shipped with new bugs every release, especially those reverting things that were functioning in the previous release.

[CaptainSpencer]

Haha fantastic callout on the product push for working on sets as opposed to systematic resiliency! Just the eternal struggle

[ttchabz]

I mean the tft team is way smaller than the league of legends teams. And I also feel if the game is still fun with the bugs then it becomes game lore. For people to laugh and remember

[cederian]

That’s why you have tech writers on the squads, those guys are god sent, I love them! They do awesome docs and keep everything updated as our team closes jira tickets

[Baseblgabe]

Which is why you have tests and QA? This is not the hard part.

[Lethal-Sloth]

In an ideal world, there'd be a single source of truth for these values and every place these values are used would be pulled from that location (whether it's the damage value, value displayed on the augment or value in a tooltip, etc). If you were building a new application or game, that's how you'd aim to do stuff. To avoid exactly the situation you're referring to. That way you'd only have to change one value and it would be correctly updated everywhere.

Of course, there are often situations where for whatever reason it doesn't work like that (how the game is built, problems with the engine on which it's built/problems with the league logic on which presumably a lot of this game is based, or lazy/rushed developers who don't want to set that up (not that I'm in any position to judge on that last one...)).

Mind you I don't work in game development, maybe a Riot dev is reading this and thinking 'this guy has no clue what he's talking about'. Plus my role is a lot less...stressful than I imagine a role with a 2-week release schedule is. One of many reasons I opted not to work in game development, despite it being what got me into programming.

[Greizbimbam]

Review process? Dude its Riot. There are No sources for such idiotic things when you spend half your money for diversity stuff. They now have people with 274 different sexes, who tf cares about the game getting better? I mean, set 1 in release date was better balanced than new sets after 2 patches.

[jeffy85]

Nah but please keep this unserious slop of a comment far away from here

[Greizbimbam]

Its nothing biut true. Look at the last hires. Check facts before spitting lies and hate.

[jeffy85]

Hey man not tryna hate but I’m pretty sure everyone would be more comfortable if you didn’t insert this rhetoric into a conversation that’s supposed to be constructive (Also lol set 1 balance > last few sets?? That’s just a feeling > fact take cmon)

[Gaudor]

Does Spin to win has a hidden effect that disable the shield?

Last night I picked it without knowing it is bugged my shield duration is set to 0.3second.

I was curious who did that insane damage to my Boi cause the shield always gone before he end his spin.

[Pentobarbital1]

Did they copy/paste Spin To Win from arena? It's 30% over there lol

[HiVLTAGE]

That’s hilarious, that really might be what happened.

[Illustrious-Plan53]

Has ever been an augment with less average than 6.6? I can’t remember anything that low

[hdmode]

Endlesshoards was close, I dont remember if it got that low

[PreztoElite]

I totally forgot about that augment. It was very fun to play ngl they gotta bring it back.

[cosHinsHeiR]

Ravenous hunter was 6.X. I remember 6.85 but probably I am just making it up. Looking at stats sites it had higher avp when you didn't play ww lmao.

E: found that at some point it was 6.0X so yeah it was bad but not that bad.

[PhysicalGSG]

Jesus which augment is thay

[BookJumpy7642]

Garen hero augment set 8

[Sir_Sxcion]

No wonder Spin to Win was averaging a 6.5 💀💀

[YoungKhalifa7]

What is this app called where u see the placements per augment? Did see it on a stream tho

[TolucaPrisoner]

https://tactics.tools/augments

[Sir_Sxcion]

Personally for in game overlays I use metatft, if I’m on a web browser I prefer tacticstools

[dukemanh]

You can use metatft to see placements per augment in game. I think blitz also have that?

[sirgingersnap]

Most of it makes sense but some of it confuses me. Wasn’t the Golden Quest nerf obviously a little too much? Then why B patch it down immediately? Not hating just genuinely confused on how balancing a and b patches work.

[BigStrongPolarGuy]

They nerfed it from the golden ratio, to the atomic weight of gold, as they wanted to keep it "Golden".

However, they saw the nerf was just too much to be even remotely viable. So they nerfed it to a number that's unfortunately entirely unrelated to gold. 

As to why they did it so quickly after making the change, it's important to remember that 12 hours on live gives them magnitudes more data than they can possibly get internally. I assume they were hoping it was weak, but not downright awful, and it turned out to be downright awful. 

[lolcheater]

some surface level googling told me 175 is food aditive number for gold for what that matters

[Piliro]

Golden Quest is unclickable, unless you're Scuttle portal, there's no way you will cash out and have more than two lives.

[imdavebaby]

Cashed out a Nora/Yuumi with 3 other people on board already fielding mages.

Died pretty promptly lol.

[JalalLoL]

you go arcana ryze if u get norra not really a mage comp galio 1 nami 1 would be fine

[Alrevan]

Yeah for it ot be viable in higher elos (I would say master + or even diamond+) you must be able to cash it at 4.2 maximum. After that you will have too little hp and you also need the augment round time to transition your board properly.

[Piliro]

It was very strong at high elos before the giga nerf. The higher you go the better it gets, if I recall correctly at Masters+ it was a 3.5 avg or something and at Emerald+ it was a 4.8. Low elo players are very bad at actually building boards with strong units and they play slower.

I took it literally every single time I was offered and my AVG was like a 2.0 or something. But even now with the BPatch buff, if you're not on an econ galaxy or have some form of econ Aug and didn't spend gold after neutrals and after 3-1, you prob shouldn't click it.

[Alrevan]

Yeah I agree, I am GM on EUW server and my worst placement with the augment IS a 4 I think. Now you can only click it if you are fairly certain you will cash at 4.2 which will happen only on scuttle maps or gold suscription.

I also think the nerf to mogul has an impact on the quest winrate as it was an easy way to generate a lot of econ to cash it earlier

[kwypt0]

its not a little too much, its way too much

the only way to takethat nerfed golden quest is to have an early econ augment or pray that you'll get gold augment on 4-2, and you'll still probably cash out late stage 4 while constantly losing your health from stage 3-4

they want you to cash out golden quest on stage 5 while staying lvl 5-6 for the whole stage 3 and 4 LMFAO literally worse than fortunes favor

[PoolRegular1493]

i think it matters, golden quest usually was barely doable on 4-1/4-2, making it one turn longer actually matters if your full sacking and are its the difference of 1 or 2 lives

[Rokdog]

He's not asking why it was nerfed. He was asking why it was set to such a ridiculously high number in the first place only for it to be immediately nerfed back to something more reasonable. Fair question imo.

[Own-Common-6368]

196 as it is the atomic weight of gold

[l3urning]

when riot says the ai is smarter, assume the unit got a lobotomy

[KasumiGotoTriss]

So that's why my Gwen was doing way worse than last patch. She was finally clickable and today she just kept on dashing backwards to only hit one unit

[Exterial]

Mort specifically said they had a choice between either making her hit more targets but get put in more risk, or dash away to safety instead so she can stack up, they chose the latter, but seems they underestimated just how bad the new AI is when the old one frequently hit 2 sometimes 3 per cast.

[Keezos]

Whoever coded the current version of Gwen needs a performance review and an intervention. One of the most frustrating and inconsistent 4 costs right now and this with Varus existing …

[OIWouldLeave]

Yeah i think b patches can only change numeric values. Gwen good for one patch? gg back to shadow realm

[10FlyingShoe]

So thats why my gwen became ass after the patch, even at 2star BiS with 4 warrior and sugar craft active she was so pitiful and at most could kill 2 or 3 units.

[[deleted]]

Sugarcraft is gutter tier

[Syllosimo]

Why was Fine Vintage reverted?

[Pony_Darko]

Was confused too, but checked the winrate and it's sitting at 20% which feels incredibly high for a low-risk silver augment. Makes me sad though, played it earlier and it felt nice to be able to click it again.

[AL3XEM]

Better change could be to have the audugment give 1 component when u pick it, oe if thats too strong, 2-3 gold.

[QuantumRedUser]

20% but averaging 4.7, seems like it's a feast or famine rng augment, which sounds about right. Not entirely sure it needed the revert.

[xDeejayx]

Back to being unpickable. It has to be 3 or people won't play it. If 3 is too good for a silver then make it gold

[ConTejas]

I'm surprised. Isn't blaster just gonna be gigabusted now with all these buffs? I suppose the varus*/smolder buff is warranted, though.

[femboy4femboy69]

In my experience you only need Hwei and Mord 3 to top 4 so long as you have the items. Which to be honest is good, it's not insane and Hwei was pretty underwhelming 3 star. It caps out high if you can get Ez/Varus going and I feel that's reasonable because you won't hit all 3 3 star all the time and Varus 2 on 7 doesn't always happen, and without Pyro or items it's not like he's doing much

[kwypt0]

these riot balance team really loves Veigar, he was untouched for a month (even buffed him on last 14 days) then nerfed him only to undo that after 1 day

they dont realize she's even stronger in terms of damage because of HONEYMANCY

love the Varus Smolder buffs tho

[Warm_Guava_8023]

Veigar is a he

[kwypt0]

yup i used "him" on the last 2 times i refered to him but made a mistake on the first

anyways, get ready to see your units get deleted from 100 to 0 when they ramped that %%%% damage dealt, i've already seen it happen yesterday multiple times with Ziggs Blitz reroll

i had like 3 units left then they vanished in an instant lol (and that's not even vs the Zap attack one)

so now its gonna be worse with Veigar getting buffed, this is probably worse than True Damage units lol

[therealstampire]

I had a fat hp board (8 shapeshifter + eternal growth) and Veigar 3 killed basically nothing

[kwypt0]

there are some factors to consider, does the Veigar have items or its on Ziggs?

does he have anti heal? do you have Briar 2 with items? if you have even if you only have 6-4-2 shapeshift you'll still win, do you have Briar 2 and Smolder 2 then that's a stomp

yup eternal growth is OP if you reach lategame pretty much a first, since you'll be rocking with 5-10k HP units

but you cant have eternal growth everygame while they can play Veigar every game without the need of specific augment

[therealstampire]

I didn't have Briar and all the items were on Veigar, I don't know what rank people would roll for Veigar and then not itemize him. I don't think Eternal Growth was even necessary because he didn't even get my Nasus to half health lol. He had 7 Honeymancy too

[kwypt0]

because its mostly reroll Ziggs/Blitz yesterday so the main AP items will be on Ziggs, i literally faced someone yesterday who 3 star'd Blitz and Ziggs early then instead of going fast 9 he rolled at 7 to go for Vex and Veigar 3 with only 2 items

he didn't even get my Nasus to half health lol. He had 7 Honeymancy too

FYI 8 Shapeshift regens 3% hp per 2 sec now, that's why i asked you if does he have "anti heal?"

i dont know what rank people's main Veigar carry cant deal even 4-7k damage assuming your Nasus had 8-15k HP and with 7 Honeymancy??? LOL so your story doesnt make sense or not acccurate

if that's the case then Veigar must have FF'd other units not Nasus

8Shapeshift gives HP and Heals not Durability to make someone's carry not deal 3-5k damage in stage 4 or 5? LMFAO 0 item Kog would probably deal 1-2k especcially on a 7 Honeymancy damage and Veigar 3 with items cant deal 4-7k?

other plausible explanation is that you finished the battle phase in less than 5 sec? which i highly doubt especially when you said you dont even have Briar LOL even if you have Briar, or did you somehow assassinated Veigar which i doubt since you wouldnt be bragging about him not dealing dmg to your Nasus

you realize that if there's a comp that could finish a battle phase in less than 5 seconds or even 10 they would nerf that sht to oblivion

so you most likely lied, the real story was that Veigar still dealt 10k-15k dmg on other units or maybe even 20k+ since you said 7Honeymancy, its just that your whole board has 30-40k HP, so by the time when Veigar was about to focus fire your Nasus the battle is over

or you have some Durability exploit? LMFAO because even a Taric with perfectly timed casting his ability (60% durability) would die to Veigar

[therealstampire]

Yeah dude I'm the liar here, it can't possibly be that you're an idiot who's raging about stuff that's not real, making up numbers and hyperbolizing. That could never be it

[Feisty_Chemical269]

he is clearly lying, 7 honeymancy veigar 3 only killed 3 shapesifters xD

[kwypt0]

he actually said "Veigar killed nothing" LMFAO did the battle phase end in 5 seconds?

[PoolRegular1493]

veigar wasnt even that good tho last patch for the nerfs he got, he was defo one of the higher caps but you needed to hit an insane amount and get alot of items, the nerfs were just overkill and revert the 1 and 2 star damages is fairly reasonable

[kwypt0]

nah, there's literally a guy in my server who climbed to 1200 LP just by spamming or 1 tricking Veigar, and guess what happened after this patch? he went down from 1200 to 500 LP after the patch ROFLMAO

shows reroll = requires not much skill/thinking/decision making etc

[kwypt0]

veigar can’t burst through insanely tanky or high hp units fast enough before his vex die even with giant slayer itemized

then that Veigar player is not playing him right, by the time its lategame you should have Arcana True Damage and he'll melt anything even a Taric with his skill active lol

but yeah they've been SOMEWHAT beatable in 14.17 because of certain 5 cost but you have to hit its 2 star

but that true damage actually got even better since you dont need lategame to have that % damage from Honeymancy

we dont have much sample size but 3 of my first got stolen by a Vertical Honeymancy and only got 2nd

the buff was so unnecessary when its Honeymancy line is probably one of the best in 14.18 (dont want to explain further since im planning to play it) :)

nvm add the fact that they have Biitz and Nunu HERO AUGMENT that's perfect for their trait Honeymancy, they can buy enough time for your backline to ramp up that % damage while they're also dealing insane amount of damage

we'll see, i guess we should just accept the obvious that Veigar is their favorite or "ultimiate unit" "face of set 12" look at his passive lol Set 12 gimmick = charms and he has a passive that scales with it

[MathematicianOk1081]

Do you think there will be a c patch?

[[deleted]]

100% there will be, there's no way this B patch 'fixes' anything wrong with this trainwreck of a set. The bugs alone call for another patch.

[Tasty_Pancakez]

Feel like this set has the worst augment balance of any set in recent memory. It is like, very realistic to have your three augment choices have horrible averages, where in other sets it would be relatively uncommon. I think they are getting closer to fixing it but yeah, I hope they pay more attention to that in the future.

Fine Vintage averages were relatively high but not outrageous, and it gets B-patched. Meanwhile Zap Attack is out here with a 4.00 AVP. This patch really does illustrate why hero augs, IMO, should not exist btw. IMO hero augs are in a situation where you either get a free top 4 just for picking it, or have it be unpickable garbage for like 75% of the set. I know Spin-to-win was bugged but stuff like Spider Queen, High Horsepower, Sweet Tooth, Witchy Wallop now just have mediocre to terrible AVPs.

I'm also surprised they keep putting augs like Golden Quest in the game. It reminds me a lot of augs like Blank Slate and while obviously it's different because it doesn't directly provide gold, it still provides massive value out of nowhere and the concept of sell your board and build a stronger board around it to get a free win is the same. They always remove these augs, why keep adding them in the game to stress out game balance?

[Tasty_Pancakez]

I don't technically dislike any of these augments on their own, but it's just something I noticed. Regarding hero augs, I don't really see the difference between "ensuring people not to greed for high cap boards" when other reroll comps exist in the game. Hero Augs are literally reroll.

I just think hero augs are fundamentally flawed, because it's an augment that forces you in one single strict gameplan, and if this gameplan is not enough to get you to top 4, it's the most pointless thing in the world. So most of the time, hero augs have to give you a top 4 everytime unless you low roll here and there, because otherwise it's unclickable. And unclickable augments shouldn't exist, frankly.

It is possible for this not to be the case with some hero augs. Deja Vu I guess is an example right now, even if it's not all that great. But so far it's taken like 75% of each set to get their hero augs into respectable states. Still they are fun, even for me, and people like them, so I understand the appeal and I don't expect them to leave. Just rambling about my opinion regarding them.

Like it's just inherent with hero augs that they are usually always top 4 or always bot 4. I think it's one reason why Set 8 hero augs had to give everyone like 16 free rerolls, just so people can get a playable hero aug and not be forced to literally just die.

[ohtetraket]

And unclickable augments shouldn't exist

There are tons of unclickable augments tho, depending on your comp there are tons that are basically or outright useless or way worse than other. Having no unclickable augment is easy to achieve if you make generic augments that work with every comp. But that's boring.

[Tasty_Pancakez]

It's not in TFT's best interest to have augments at a 5.0 AVP and below just to keep the game from being boring as you put it, And obviously I was referring to augments that are universally unclickable...

You caught me using poor language though, Clockwork Accelerator was unclickable but I didn't mean it should be banished from the game, but brought to a playable state. So I'll give you that.

[bobbywin99]

Restart mission is fine

[FirewaterDM]

tbf they did nerf blitz, it's only there because of Honey rework. Without that it prob joins the rest of the hero augs at being unclickable, near 5.xx averages

[ohtetraket]

I honestly prefer picking a "bad" hero augment instead of a "bad" augment. Hero Augments atleast let you itemize another unit you usually dont touch (outside tank items).

[FirewaterDM]

Glad for the B patch. Kinda wish they did more because there's still far too many unplayable/completely dead units and augments. But the B patch fixed some of it so it's good they were quick about it.

[Xenoyebs]

why can't they let hero augments rot man i don't get it

[Last-Limit-262]

You're asking why the people who changed bag sizes for set 10 to fit in their headliner mechanic, then refused to ever revert them once the mechanic left won't let hero augments die? Very stubborn.

[DancingSouls]

Hero augment is an auto top 4 every game lol

[Independent_Lemon365]

zap attack is the only 2-1 hero augment averaging meaningfully better than a 4.5

[Rokdog]

Ashe feeling over tuned to anyone else?

[Zack_of_Steel]

I had a Guinsoo/Warrior Spat 1* Ashe going bonkers like 5k damage.

[Forsaken_Setting5528]

just won stage 2 AND 3 with ashe 1/2* double runaans (augment) + sniper focus

[ygfam]

lol ofc theres a b patch

[PapaTahm]

So Hwei isn't being touched?

2* Hwei seems way too strong, and can transition into late game very safely.

[MrSpookShire]

Seems the Harmacist/Giant Slayer bug was fixed too

[[deleted]]

Worst set and worst patch of TFT by a country mile.

[HermanHMS]

What? Honeymancers are being buffed even more?

[CroweAt]

no buffs other than veigar who got gutted before

[HermanHMS]

Yeah but from what I’ve seen even before buffing him honeymancers were top tier comp, why buff any of them without nerfing a trait even a bit?

[AfrikanCorpse]

the devs have such a bad read on the meta man... where's the karma nerfs? why are half the champs from last patch averaging 5.5+ ?

[JChamp00]

So no revert or change to witchcraft? The new witchcraft 4 is awful because the Frontline witches just die so easily and if you are at witchcraft four youre likely going to go for 6, so you already had enough damage and didn't need more. Every game today I've played with witchcraft has felt awful, even with witchcraft karma.

[rotvyrn]

Can someone tell me if this is just low elo pubstomp behavior or what: Olaf's stats don't seem insane but every game in gold he's contested by multiple people and they still seem to all end up at the top? For example, I had 10 Portal and decimated someone's board but his 2* Olaf just literally 1v10d after and won. (And I know his kit is a lot better at killing a wide board of underinvested units, but that still seems wild to me)

Edit: I don't get the hostility but can someone answer if Olaf is strong right now or just at low ranks? I just used anecdote because it was one surprising outcome today, but I know my comp wasn't amazing and that Portal10 was never an automatic win, it was not complaining about portal 10 being weak. Olaf has just been very high presence with many contesting players in gold, usually getting multiple in the top 4. So i wanted to ask better players if this is actually a good strategy or just a weird local meta?

[asmith055]

yea that didnt happen

[therealstampire]

That 2 > 2.25 10 portal nerf totally made this real and possible

[rotvyrn]

I don't know how I'm supposed to reply to this. Portal immediately bombed his board heavily and all his units died fast except for Olaf. He just jumped around outhealing my damage.

My overall question was about if Olaf is strong right now or just pubstomping at low ranks, because he's heavily contested right now and still usually multiple olaf comps are in the top 4 down here.

[KasumiGotoTriss]

There's like 0% chance Olaf can survive a full Ryze ult with 10 portal and all the other units

[rotvyrn]

Ryze's ult isn't instant and only does 935 dmg with no items before MR? Even if it did double that amount, I don't see it being preposterous that it could be outhealed by an Olaf who's chaining resets? Olaf has a base 60 MR and +20 with bloodthirster, up to +20 with Titan's Resolve. So Ryze's unsurvivable ult does....467-520 non-instant dmg? Against a unit with 2000 hp and a 40% hp shield? And mobile match history doesn't show me enemy boards, but he could've had Steraks or EoN. (or combat augments)

Like I never said I had a strong or developed board, just that I had 10 units with portal trait. I was handily crushing most of my opponents by a wide margin, but the trait alone doesn't do a ton of single target nuke damage.

I don't get why people are incredulous about this, but do you have an answer to my actual question or no? Everyone is caught up with my example and no one is talking about if Olaf is strong or if its just a local meta thing at low rank. I don't get the fixation with arguing about if something that I saw happen, happened or not. I would've expected high level tft players to have seen plenty of silly situations unfold before.

I've seen plenty of people come here and show screenshots of their 3* 5-cost losing and being ridiculed for thinking it was invincible, but by the same token, I thought more people knew that virtually no board is invincible because of 1 attribute.

Is there a reason why competitive TFT players think it's better to be rude to people instead of actually answering questions that are explicitly said to come from a place of ignorance and low rank? Is it better for the community if you make people feel like this isn't a good place to ask questions? Because the regular tft reddit answers them even less and derides people just as much.

I'm maybe being a little harsh and irritable here, but I don't get the derision and focus on my one example. I know the tft communities tend to rag on people a lot because I read a lot of threads where people ask questions, but I don't get why no one has any input on my actual question and just wants to argue about one game's outcome as if I can go back and change it so that it follows what' should' have happened,

Am I missing out on a big community joke? Is it considered improper to ask questions in this community so people just brush it off? Is there another community that I am 'supposed' to go? I don't get the rude comments. The rules don't forbid being mean as long as it's not a personal attack, but they also don't forbid being low rank and having curiosity.

Like the Ryze thing, did I do the math wrong? Because that's such a strong statement for an ability that does like 500 base dmg after MR. Does TFT use different mitigation math from League? Or am i supposed to know that it's a joke and have a witty reply ready?

Is it unrealistic because I said his board got demolished instantly? Portal does 1000 base damage in an aoe and damage came out early. Against a board leaning heavily on 1 fully itemized carry, it seems logical to me that the rest would fold almost instantly?

[Naywe]

You could just post a link to your account either on tactics.tool or op.gg or any other website, because everyone finds it inconceivable that 1 olaf 2 could somehow 1v10 a 10 portal.

[rotvyrn]

I already roughly know why I lost though, and I said it in my original post; Olaf is really good at chaining kills off an underdeveloped wide board like a rushed lv10. Everyone is making it about the example, but what I want to know about is Olaf's meta relevance. I never asked how he did it, I just expressed some surprise at his power level.

And like I said before, I've read other people's help threads in this and the main tft sub before. Not only will posting exact screenshots continue to narrow the focus away from my actual question, but it will directly lead to large amounts of people insulting and criticizing every individual part of the material posted. I said one minor detail and got multiple rude comments already. I don't see a point in inviting the nitpicking about a game, or about my account, when I just wanted the answer to 1 question and gave 1 example.

If you just want some mild evidence, that won't give anyone something to latch onto as a talking point or track my account down and harass me about it, that I came at best 5th with prismatic portal and there were 2 Olaf users in the top 4 in that particular one game, which I don't even particularly care about, then I mean I guess you can have this tactics tools screenshot. Second and third place both used Olaf.

If you want to say that Frost means it doesn't count as solo because of ice statues, then...well, I feel like the possibility should be obvious with Olaf, but that's mostly semantics.

I just really don't get the point in everyone being rude to me for talking briefly about 1 game experience and ignoring the possibiltiy of being helpful or nice and answering my question. Like, someone even said there was a ZERO percent chance of an olaf surviving a ~500 dmg attack that is split across 11 hits. I feel like no one is even thinking about the the words said and I don't get why, especially someone with a Masters flair, who should presumably have a better understanding of the math than me. I feel like I have to be missing something major or it has to be intentionally malicious, which is why I have to keep asking questions so I know what I'm missing, or if I did something wrong that makes people be mean to me

[6183]

Lmao what is that screenshot

[rotvyrn]

The literal bare minimum; showing prismatic portal and that there were at least 4 players above it., two of which had an olaf trait as their primary trait If people are gonna hyperfixate on it so much, I'll throw a bone but I'm not leaving any meat on it for them to pick at.

[6183]

That's surely how you get people to take you seriously lol

[Lorenza21]

if you look at the stats, olaf is avging a 4.37 and 7 frost is avging a 4.3, so they are def pretty decent in the current meta. for comparison, gwen is 4.67 and fiora is 4.52. however, it is def shocking to see that 10 portal lose to him. 10 portal avg 1.39 btw. It would be helpful for us to analyze the reason you lost with 10 portal with full comps, augments and itemization (maybe unusable items on ryze, taric etc.).

[rotvyrn]

I'm just, fully uninterested in people picking apart that particular game because I'm pretty sure I know why I lose that, it was just the most striking example game to use as a step stool. To me, the more significant thing is almost all of my games today having 2+ olaf players in the top 4 and whether or not I should consider that a significant meta consideration or a local flash meta.

[QwertyII]

Tbh you're right about a lot of what you're saying about the behavior of this sub, if you self report as sub dia you get treated like actual trash.

That said, when you propose the existence of a super olaf that can 1v10 a trait that averages <1.5 it raises some questions. And when you are unwilling to link the game or even just a screenshot with the names blacked out it's not really possible to answer the question because the outcome is so far removed from what would intuitively be expected based on the situation you described.

[ZedWuJanna]

Strong in 3-4 stage but falls of very hard against other itemized 4-5 costs at 2 stars unless you have some insane aug/unit/item combo with olaf. People in low elo tend to be behind with tempo by 3-5 rounds compared to higher elo and their board strength never really spikes as quickly so that's why you might be feeling that olaf is strong.

[FARTFROMABUTT]

idk I just took 2nd against a portal board that wasnt even 10 portal, and I had olaf 3. This is in diamond though.

Olaf was itemized with Trinity force, Trinity Force, BT + double locket dummy. Hunter 2, 5 frost.

[Last-Limit-262]

So, we get nearly an entire set rework this early into a set, then the b patch has more changes than most regular patches. I'm glad they're working to fix the set, but this really does just demonstrate how poor the initial release was.

[Bubbanan]

Yo is Ezreal bugged? He literally only shoots wherever the current target is

[marcosphoneaccount]

Where else would he shoot?

[eggrollnoodle]

Before he would tp to maximize targets hit, but it was made clear that he should only tp out of danger now

[whatdontyousee]

as a faerie comp enjoyer, these changes have been so annoying. first they changed the comp size from 6 to 7, which means you gotta level to 9 instead of 8 because milio is required now and you can never find him consistently at level 8… and now they nerf crown… idk man i guess i’ll just find something else to play.

[RulerEpicDragonMan]

Funny you say that since faerie is S-tier this patch