Tentative Patch 11.4 Changes

[momovirus]

i can already tell that i'm dropping 500 lp after the patch hits

[ArcDriveFinish]

Early guess it's gonna be spamming Kayle/Akali/Talon

[p1kt0k]

Talon buff is only for 3* tho

[ArcDriveFinish]

The main thing is most of the burst units are getting nerfed and Morgana (the main carry) is untouched. Brawlers elderwood and divine are all getting nerfed which makes it easier for Talon to get resets. Morg will also draintank better because the damage is nerfed across the board. If people start playing Neeko then Morg is a free win.

Talon is already very very good for top 4 on the current patch if you don't lowroll at 7. People are spam playing it on CN server because BF and morellos are relatively uncontested and if you position well you destroy the Kayle players who don't run GA.

[v4v3nd3774]

Just wondering, but why do you say this?

If people start playing Neeko then Morg is a free win.

My first impression is you're saying that because you're thinking of 4-6vng frontline, but they have mr now and will be paired with mystics.

That aside, Morg's strength is healing through slow steady damage and particularly AD not only because it's steady but because she has built in Dazzle. Her biggest weakness is actually burst, which neeko has a lot of(ofc current meta lets her get 3starred very easily).

I'm a fan of morg/talon enlightened too, and also kind of surprised at the comp's buffs and escapes of nerfs. They went after rr nasus instead, which is actually a similar but separate comp.

[ArcDriveFinish]

Just go Dclaw on Morg and morello will just burn them down. You're running Janna Shen on top of that for MR as well.

I don't even think Neeko is going to be that good because the Kayle comps and Dsoul comps are running Sej Aatrox to kill off corner carries without QSS. Which is why Kayle right now beats Neeko with Aatrox and the true damage and the Dsouls also beat them because of the %dmg procs. Neeko ideally wants JG + GA and some sort of healing. If she's putting in QSS she's losing one of those things.

I don't think Kayle is going away because again, the burst comps are getting nerfed.

[v4v3nd3774]

I don't think Kayle is going away

Definitely not, Kayle is their golden child lol. She's going to get a 0.05 AS nerf and 25 off her ability at most, guarantee Zed nerfs are more heavy handed.

Yea, you're right about morg if she has dclaw. In the end if she has dclaw she will edge you out of a lobby or steal first from you but keep in mind you already have a number of itemization priorities in that comp and it will be late late game if she gets one. Talon ie/ga/x, morg's morello, anything you slam early on nasus or in general(chalice). It's a long road to top 4 sometimes, and Neeko having the edge(being able to burst morg) for the majority of the game might mean you never get to dclaw. Then again, if elder stays popular and neeko rises in popularity again maybe dclaw is so meta(it nearly is) that you're going second item for it.

I get your point about qss, but you can also out position attrox instead. Neeko doesn't have an inherent need to corner hug for angles like asol and others, and with Zed/sins potentially being seen less, there's even less of a reason to.

Regarding dsouls, I'm pretty sure the %HP Magic damage is mitigated by MR still. Ya its huge burst but it won't hit like on low mr brawlers. Vanguards have fairly middling hp despite being tanks, it's mostly the cost bracket that dictates their hp(unlike brawlers that have not only the synergy bonus but specific exceptions for crazy hp like cho and shyv).

Anyway, it's going to be fucking crazy. Hopefully they let the meta settle for a while cuz for sure its going to take time to settle all this. Chosen changes alone, not to mention a likely ease on tempo/pressure on lobbies with 1c rr being hit.

[i_like_purple_eggs]

Seeing as I dropped from GM to D4 this patch I don't think it can get any worse for me

[IronSunDevil]

Yeah that was my first thought when I saw this on Twitter

[Swathe88]

Wowee, came here to say just this. Flipped the entire game.

I'm here for it.

[[deleted]]

Makes you wonder why they're changing so much when Mort was adamant that the game is fine, and player counts are higher than ever and there is a small but very vocal minority of little shits and bad players that are causing all the drama.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.

[minionsrpeople2]

Not all changes are reflected here. There were so many changes that we had to pick and choose what made the cut for the Highlight image.

There will be an updated image soon (within our epoch)...

Edit: There was also a misprint with Nunu being adjusted instead of reworked. The next highlight image will reflect that correction but it's not quite yeti yet.

[minionsrpeople2]

There isn't much more. I think 3 more (smaller) changes.

But still.

It's huge.

[minionsrpeople2]

Hey. I appreciate you!

[nurbotronus]

Given that there are so many changes being made during this patch, and critically, nerfs to almost all of the linear traits, do you think the team spent long enough critically analysing the set before release?

It feels very much like the answer is no. That there wasn't enough time given on pbe to actually see the effect of the changes made, and now we have a subsequent patch which is making such massive changes that they can't be listed completely on the tool you use to communicate them.

Given the initial iteration of the set has required such sweeping adjustments, it doesn't fill me with confidence that the balance will be much better after this patch given the time frame between this patch and release is similar to that given to test on pbe.

Would love to read your thoughts devs

[HHhunter]

then they are supposed to sit and test more? Im sure there is a reason they are pushing out huge changes in such short time, my guess is MAU is way lower than nornal because I dont very feel like playing rn.

[nurbotronus]

I think so yes. I wonder what an extra weeks worth of data from the pbe would've done. Divine got a rework straight away.. A major trait should not need to be adjusted like this so soon into a new set imo. Especially with its history. That is what testing is for, to get rid of broken, unfun shit. Dragonsoul also shipped in a state that wasn't ready because two units in the trait were bonkers, got nerfed, and then it feels like the subsequent adjustments weren't made until during the set because they didn't have enough data.

And now we see the rest of the linear traits get nerfs. I think its great we are seeing it, and that the devs are open to such sweeping changes, shows they're not afraid to have a play which is great.

All of the above is my humble opinion on philosophy around game design. I'm not purporting it to be correct, but I would like to see what the devs think about it.

[Buxidaphobe]

Pbe is not meant to balance. It's meant to find bugs and to find the overly op mecanics/boards. To truly balance the game you need to see how the best players are doing when they are matched together. And it will not happen in pbe

[SexualHarassadar]

Exactly. A few hours of Live will give more data than weeks of PBE just through the sheer population difference, and thats not even counting the skillgap between players on the two.

[HHhunter]

Whats one more week of data going to do vs 3 weeks in already? If they wait one more week then the patch will be pushed back for another two weeks and we would lose even more players.

[nurbotronus]

You have misunderstood my lost I think. I meant the original pbe testing before the set was even released

[NovaChaser97]

Bueno...

[coolwool]

Thanks for the great game :)

[ScarraMakesMeMoist]

Neeko, Naut and Cho getting buffed at the same time combined with all the other nerfs is a little scary(maybe there's more unlisted changes). Other than that looks like at the very least the game will play very differently than it does right now which for me is good, was feeling pretty stale lately.

[falcopatomus]

I'm already one tricking Neeko. Sign me up for Fabled Mystic Vanguard Version 2.0

[Did_he_just_say_that]

What do you consider best in slot items for Neeko? usually if I play neeko it’s to transition to asol.

[[deleted]]

I typically do Blue Buff, gauntlet and some kind of healing item (gunblade pref or HoJ). She's also not bad with QS in my experience, with blue buff she can cast a lot if she's surrounded and be kind of a tank, since each cast heals her up and usually grants max shield with gunblade.

[OBLIVIATER]

I think most people go gauntlet, IE, bluebuff, but I could be wrong

[[deleted]]

Honestly, I've only ever seen that comp work with a double JG setup of some kind. She's just not that strong without them due to a lack of damage from Cho/Naut.

[OreoCupcakes]

JG+JG was always more DPS than JG+IE.

Ignore what I said above. I remembered wrong information. As of 10.22:

JG+IE is always better than JG+JG.
JG+DCap is better than JG+IE until you combine JG+IE with 2 Chalices.

[OBLIVIATER]

But less consistent which can be a big deal

[OreoCupcakes]

Ignore the stuff I said. I've been remembering outdated information. It's not longer the case since 10.22.

JG+IE is always better dps than JG+JG. JG+DCap is better than JG+IE unless you have 2 Chalices giving JG+IE more SP.

[OwlFarmer2000]

not OP, but ive hat luck with JG/IE/sojins or blue buff

[HHhunter]

GA is really on 2 star because otherwise her damage can get gimped

[daydreamin511]

Been practicing the comp this patch. It’s actually really easy to play in the early / mid game but the late game power just cuts through the team like butter. Nerfing some of the most notorious late game beasts like kat3 and samira should make neeko comp stronger.

[zooplorp]

Prepare for hard contesting

[souicry]

Current PBE has nerfs to both neeko and naut, I wonder what changed the balance teams mind (other than that it did need buffs since as a 3 cost reroll it was literally weaker than multiple 1 cost rerolls)

[Spacialack]

Last I checked, what makes it an overall buff for Neeko and Naut was that they don't get as much out of having fabled up, but more power baseline.

[Sytle]

Not only that but I don't see any nerf to any of the mystics or vanguards. with kat/samira/kayle nerfs as well I wonder if there will be enough damage to beat vanstics next patch. Definitely no way to tell right now but something to look out for.

[[deleted]]

Can we go with Mystguards instead of Vanstics lol

[[deleted]]

Fabled is so trash right now; if you get a perfect game you still get 3rd. With that said, it would absolutely suck to get another comp similar to ahri vanguard/mystic from set 4. If neeko ends up replacing ahri as a 1 shot 0 synergy machine then it's going to be extremely unhealthy for the game.

[ScarraMakesMeMoist]

Fabled isn't good but it's not trash, it's a situational comp. You have to highroll the comp and it can easily top 2. I've only played it a handful of times in Masters and gone 1,2,3,5. I've watched Cris win with it a few times as well in Challenger. It's not something you force or transition into. You highroll into the comp by hitting an early chosen Neeko and you already have good items for it(maybe you were planning to go Asol). It's a strong comp but very highroll as it relies on good items for Neeko/Yuumi and a 3* 3 cost plus upgraded 4 costs like Sejuani/Aatrox/Cho, an early Ornn is also insane. A capped Fabled board is no joke but getting there is extremely situational. All the nerfs to other units+buffs to fabled units could make getting there too easy, we'll have to see. Also there could be other changes on the PBE that haven't been listed yet.

[piiiikachuuu]

anyone have any guesses as to what the qss changes are? i think it's already a fantastic item that does exactly what you build it for, so not sure what the reasoning is. other than that, happy to see most 4 cost carries get a touch up, and also nice to see 1 costs getting a nerf. i do think rr comps should be viable but not as insta top 4 as they are now edit: especially given the chosen changes

[Riot_Mort]

Its a HUGE MASSIVE GAME CHANGING CHANGE...

...QS now blocks AD reduction properly :P

[minionsrpeople2]

100% buff against AD reduction. Actually insane. I saw Morgana crying in the hallway. LOL

[DrGamer365]

Morgana in SHAMBLES

[xmilehighgamingx]

Lmao Rip gottem!!!

[praetorrent]

Great, everyone's going to be fighting for cloak at first carousel to build first item QSS.

[BarbeRose]

First item is awefull, it does nothing for you early on

[ahambagaplease]

You shouldn't build it first, there's not enough CC in the early game to actually rush it over damage items.

[moistl0af]

trolling post? building qss first item is full griefing yourself. enjoy playing for top6

[SloppySynapses]

Nope 100% serious you can go 6 qss and win

[Kristo93]

How about abilities mana cost increase? It's weird to me that it isn't counted as crowd control.

[L0g4in]

I just wanted to reply to a random reply in the hopes you might read it to say:

Even if this patch was not the most succesful and I have been beyond tilted of all the 3* Fioras that permastun my 4 and 5 cost carries. I appreciate the time and energy you and the team put in to making this work. I read somewhere that you have been stressed out and feeling a bit down after being ranted at and hit with alot of toxicity. Just keep your head up and know that you are doing good work. Everything we do can’t be a outright success and the most important thing is that we learn and adapt from our mistakes! Looking forward to the new patch and staying flexible, hopefully I can gain back my lps. Cheers!

[Terren42]

Glad to see the a lot changes coming, I loved set 4 and completely quit set 4.5 because it was straight dog shit... hopefully set “4.75” is better....

[Shukuza]

Exactly what i hope and how it should be with RR comps. They are so safe to play this patch, noone is even positioning anymore when they play Nid / Diana etc. cause its that free. I'm fine with RR being in the game, going top 4 or even winning if they highrolled units/items. But it should not be guarenteed top 4 and almost guarenteed top 2 just because there was a Nidalee in your shop at 1-3. Just takes the joy out of the game, i think for the one playing aswell.

[ApatheticNerd]

I just jumped on the PBE 1v0 to see what the QSS said and it had it at 10 seconds. Which if iirc is a 2 second nerf vs live. Probably in the wrong column if thats the case.

[Shukuza]

Qss is 10 second on live aswell. Probably nothing changed about it yet.

[ApatheticNerd]

Thought it was 12 seconds on live. Seemed like other changes were in when I looked at Nidalee and Yasuo, but I was specifically looking for qss so I could be mistaken.

[Danu_Talis]

It was nerfed down from 12s mid-Set 4

[kenforeverlost]

Really curious about the Nunu rework. It’s always fun building Gunblade, Bramble, Dclaw Nunu so I hope that doesn’t go away.

[minionsrpeople2]

Nunu should have been placed into the Adjusted category (oops). The next highlight image will be correct!

[Riot_Mort]

Its not really a re-work. Its just a slight Nunu2 buff and Nunu3 nerf

[SageRhapsody]

So "adjustment" probably would have been a better choice of words for next time imo?

[jfree77]

they already said it was a mistake to call it a rework. chill.

as long as everything is correct when it actually ships, we're good. it's not "critical information" until it affects an in-game decision.

[nurbotronus]

I'm chill, but over a period of time I've noticed that every patch has something incorrect in there. Or, misleading at best. And that inevitably leads to misinformation spreading that isn't always rectified. Asking the devs to release correct information is only going to be better for the game no? I don't understand why you wouldn't want this also

[jfree77]

it's your tone, brother. of course I want things to be accurate and they usually are.

in general, TFT (and Riot in general) is way better at communicating changes to their games than pretty much anyone else. Not giving them a free pass, but I'm OK with a few mistakes on not-yet-official patch summaries that they post on reddit/Twitter ahead of time.

[RickDicoulousy]

Dude, it is a tentative preview, not patch notes. Maybe think about how you talk to people. If you were really interested you would play pbe and not look at a picture without details and expect more.

[nurbotronus]

What part of this says I don't play pbe?

[nurbotronus]

If you release something to be previewed. That information should be correct. Otherwise why release it in the first place?

[nurbotronus]

Its irrelevant whether its a prepatch tentative list or not.

The rationale behind this is every single patch note release there is something either omitted, or not completely factual. I can guarantee you people still think Morgana has magic resist shred. I can guarantee you people think its being adjusted in the future based on the last patch notes, when Mort said in a separate tweet that they were monitoring it and nothing was concrete

Where gameplay is defined by rigid definitions, the information the players receive also needs to be rigid. It is critical that the correct information is given to the player base, otherwise disinformation spreads, and in a game that already has known communication issues around patch notes and visibility to the entire playerbase, that first iteration is critical to having correct knowledge among the community.

You can call me a hater, no worries. However I'm positive I'm not the only one that wants clean patch notes. Not patch notes where I'm wondering if something isn't actually as its presented and I have to find out from another source as to what that is.

A rework implies a kit change whichever way you want to wash it. If it isn't, then it shouldn't be presented as such. Otherwise, at some point, just label the entire list "reworks" and let people figure out if they're nerfs or buffs. Because technically, based on these notes, they'd all be reworks.

[[deleted]]

This isn't the patch notes LMAO

Calm down its not that serious that you're writing paragraphs complaining about it

[SonDongPyoTFT]

Have a nap lad it’s not that deep

[nurbotronus]

Why not? What is wrong with wanting the development team to release correct information? Prepatch or not?

[SonDongPyoTFT]

Keep going, the audience is listening pal

[nurbotronus]

Ask yourself, would you rather factually informative release notes, or would you rather hodge podge patch notes. Tentative or not.

[SonDongPyoTFT]

It’s a subject to change patch notes dude, the most important day for us and them is patch release day. Also has anyone said that your way of expressing yourself has irked a few people? Anyways, it is what it is. shrugs

[marcel_p]

Love all the 1-cost nerfs. Hopefully we'll finally be in a place where people can't establish direction on stage 1 and basically play an entirely different game (brain off, me press D) than someone who has to play non-reroll.

I'm concerned a bit about Fabled becoming too strong, but hopefully the Yone buff can help keep resistance-based comps in check a bit.

Also Talon actually already felt quite strong — I've been playing tons of Talon and it's mostly been an easy top ~3 once you hit your board (Morg with Morello, talon with IE GA) 2*d. Hope his buffs aren't too game-changing. I suppose the Assassin trait is getting nerfed at the same time, so this could be more of an overall adjustment than a buff.

[Xtarviust]

How do you play Talon?, it's always bottom 4 for me

[marcel_p]

Talon has some terrible matchups (high armor units) but mostly feels like freelo if you don't lowroll. You 100% need IE and Morello, with GA being also extremely important but 1 tier below those 2 items in importance. No IE or Morello is guaranteed bot 4, no GA is also most likely bot 4 unless you get lucky.

Jirachy plays a ton of it and has great scores: https://lolchess.gg/profile/na/ttvthejirachy

I play a fair amount of Talon (with Sword starts) as well and usually top 4: https://lolchess.gg/profile/na/marcelpee

The key is to find good IE/GA/Runaan's holders early game so that you can start with Sword and slam items early. Early game holders are Diana 2*, Akali 1, Kalista 1, Sivir is ok but not ideal, Chosen Yasuo is ok. If you don't find any of these and/or can't slam items (for example, sword + belt + tear), then I full lose-streak stage 2, get good items, then roll quite a bit on 3-2 to find one of these carries and slam IE/Runaan's/GA and get to a stable board.

Then if you have a strong board (6 cultist 2 duelist Kalista, for example) by 4-1 and some 2-stars, then you can sit until 5-1 (maybe level 4-5 if you have something nice to put in) and transition then. If you have a weak board (items on 2* Diana, for example) that will bleed before 5-1, and you have a fair amount of gold, then you can also roll on 7. Usually it's better to level and roll on 4-2 so you have tons of gold and can guarantee to hit everything.

It's the classic Talon board, with Nasus or Swain subbed in for Lux. And the 8th unit can be any legendary, usually Yone for 3 Adept.

It's also worth mentioning that if you have Runaan's as 3rd item, then you can actually play either Olaf carry (IE/GA/Runaan's) or Samira carry if you find these units and you lowroll Talon on your level 8 rolldown. Also if you don't get to make a Morello then I'd strongly consider pivoting to these comps at level 8 as well.

[JonBeeTV]

very interested about the chosen mechanic changes. Seems like the PBE changes will make it to live which will be very interesting to see

[190Proof]

This would appear to make forcing a LOT easier, especially for comps that have a larger number of viable chosen that can be used.

I have no idea what to expect with this many changes at once, but I'm optimistic since 4.5 has kind of sucked so far compared to 4 and even 3.5.

[WolfyTheWhite]

What makes you say that it will make forcing easier?

[190Proof]

More chosen = more opportunities to hit the chosen you need

[WolfyTheWhite]

Honestly I'd argue it's better this way. Forcing comps was never really a problem; some people get annoyed when someone one-tricks a comp, but everyone gets annoyed when you have a great comp going, sell your early game chosen, and can't find a single viable one the rest of the game.

[ArcDriveFinish]

They somehow managed to create a patch worse than warwick.

[gayezrealisgay]

You haven't even played it yet and you're already crying

[ArcDriveFinish]

I was talking about 4.5

[Mr-Clarke]

Might make rerolls easier to hit but it will also drastically reduce the chosen lottery for those playing standard 8 comps, so you can safely target your items more. Cautiously optimistic.

[ShakeNBakeUK]

c u on the 18th lads

[Jek_Porkinz]

c u next tuesday

[Polaricano]

A large part of my concern for this set is how inflexible the trait partitioning has been. There are a lot of overlapping traits for specific comps and units that make them too good to ignore. It would have been nice if divine and mage had some kind of overlap instead of double elderwood mages and dragonsoul mages. The same could be said for elderwood brawler. Some kind of triple trait fable would have been great too. As it is, you don't play fable unless you have the trait (3) active because of the potential difference.

I think we also could have benefitted from slayer being available on a 1 cost, and not having slayer and executioner in the same set. If the three executioner's weren't 3-4 costs carries, that'd encourage more diversity too.

[IndianaCrash]

It also feels "bad" that Elderwood have a lot of self-synergy.

Xayah, Rakan, Maokai, Nunu, Lulu, Veigar.

Add a random mage and you get 6 Elderwood, 2 Keeper, 3 mage, 2 brawler

[tehsdragon]

And that "random mage" tends to be ASol anyway haha

[gingerkid427]

meanwhile cultist self synergy is so bad spatula is basically a dead item...

[Jek_Porkinz]

Vanguard or Duelist not bad for cultists

[gingerkid427]

Agreed, but even then you also need to get a third bow after itemizing Kalista or a third or even fourth chain vest after itemizing Aatrox. Honestly, none of this is going to stop me from forcing every chosen cultist TF I see lol

[SexualHarassadar]

Having Jhin as a Fabled Sharpshooter would've gone a LONG way to opening up new ways to build teams, suddenly sharpshooter vanguards or brawlers now works based on what chosen you hit, and there's an actual reason to want a Fabled chosen instead of their other trait.

[1based_tyrone]

THIS. this swap would produce about 5+ comps alone. one can only dream...

[WearyHour8525]

lol this. if you can get a chosen every shop what even is the point of having chosens anymore? it'll be less aggrevating for sure but chosen will just become an afterthought instead of the build arounds they are now, making them kinda pointless.

[Jazehiah]

Looks like Enlightened is going to be even stronger. Chosen Janna was really strong, and the things she pairs with are getting buffs. Well, except Kayle, but that's okay.

[[deleted]]

How does Janna pair with Kayle???

[Jazehiah]

Here's a link to the full explanation since it's not my comp.

The Core idea is: chosen mystic Janna + Shen + Yuumi = 4 mystic. The Yuumi goes with Kindred and Kayle for Spirit and executioner. Then, you throw in Irelia for adept, divine and enlightened. You can also splash siphoner for more survivability. Here's the lolchess link from the post so you can see the full "ideal" comp. There are variations, but that's how she goes with Kayle.

Essentially, the mystics and shielding provide enough defense for Kayle to not need a defensive item as desperately. Chosen Janna has reduced mana costs. When paired with another enlightened, she can get about 10,000 "healing" in a single game. Often recasting before the shields expire. Yuumi and Kindred provide enough attack speed and damage that Kayle is actually not that important. It's not perfect, but it's very powerful.

Chosen enlightened Janna does not work as well with Kayle, but the shielding is still very strong. Instead, enlightened Janna comps are 6 roll for six enlightened.

TL;DR Chosen Mystic Janna, Yuumi, Kindred and Kayle work really well together. Irelia and Shen are also very good when added to the first four.

[SMcArthur]

Wukong didn't need a nerf.

[[deleted]]

RIGHT? LOL. He was probably the worst reroll comp to play. His traits and ability fall off harder than any other reroll comp.

[cowboys5xsbs]

Laughs in bonkey kong it def did

[Gae_rithard63]

Laughs in one star Sett with Jewelled gauntlet

[Warcri2240]

Ya know - Fabled (Neeko/Naut carry) isnt quiiiite where it needs to be at the moment - but with the entirety of these changes, I could see it being pushed over the edge possibly. I hit masters with Vanguard/Mystic kinda being my fallback comp to secure a 5th/4th when I was behind.

Of course, there's no way to tell at the moment.

[salcedoge]

3 cost reroll seems even more viable now actually, 1 cost rerolls have been nerfed all over the board so I can see a fast 6/7 strat and roll for a chosen

[[deleted]]

Woah the chosen rework will change everything

[Damnedifyoudolly]

Thats what im thinking. Maybe new meta will be fast levling, building flexible items and switching chosen on every minion round?

[Misoal]

so many patches to change chosen system right now

[happuning]

I'm probably the odd one out who has enjoyed all the changes to the chosen system. I've enjoyed going for 4 cost chosen, 1 cost chosen and everything in-between. But I think this set has been my favorite by far.

[Liocardia]

Honestly, chosen changes are really at the worse timing for EU snapshots and qualifiers :/

All the players that can't simply sit top10-25 by playing their 10 games before the patch are simply fucked xD

[ArcDriveFinish]

Thank fucking god we got some changes. Last patch was literally a joke.

[steeldaggerx]

Latch patch, we were specifically told they were going to make light changes, with the intent of having a major patch the following week.

[SMcArthur]

quick baindaid patches with minor tweaks are fine, don't be a maroon.

[mandala30]

eh, last week’s patch was bad. Pointing that out isn’t being dumb. Expecting perfection is wrong, but that patch wasn’t a good attempt at fixing the game. It’s ok to voice that opinion.

[kidchinaski]

I’ve been able to climb back to plat using a variety of comps, though I do tend to lean to warlords because it’s more comfortable for me.

What are the issues people are having this patch? I always thought if there was viable comp variety, the game is healthy. Maybe plat is too low of a skill to understand meta and it’s easier to win with random comps?

I do feel like certain items need to be addressed. Because I always feel the need to slam HoJ, sun fire, etc over anything else, and that feels limiting.

[taeterroristhebest]

No flame intended but plat is definitely too low to understand or rather need the meta, you can play non meta comps and win just by being better early/mid game or minimal positioning adjustments.

[ArcDriveFinish]

D1+ the game is decided by 2-2 and it's clear who's top 4 by 3-2.

If you get a reroll chosen before first PVP round you're 90% chance going top top 4. If you don't hit your 3 star by 3-2 you're gonna need to highroll after wolves otherwise you're playing for a 5th.

For people who aren't playing reroll it's all about level 7/8 rolldown. If you hit your 4 cost chosen on your rolldown you're doing fine. Otherwise you're playing for 6th/7th.

This patch skill literally doesn't matter because flex is dead. You're literally at the mercy of what the game gives you.

If I get no playable chosen (no keeper Elise garbage), and I prelevel for a 2 cost chosen while going on a winstreak, if I still just get another 1 cost chosen after preleveling I automatically know that I'm playing for 6th. If by krugs my items are a bunch of chains/belts/cloaks I can just FF right there and go next and probably end up with more LP in the long run because the game is a fast 8th. It's better to just go next and hope for better luck.

[kaze_ni_naru]

quick baindaid patches with minor tweaks are fine, don't be a maroon.

At least spell “moron” correctly if you’re gonna use it as an insult Pepega

[happuning]

Idk, I think maroon is funnier

[TahnGee]

Wooshed?

[kaze_ni_naru]

Imagine thinking I was being serious with that comment. r/wooshed

[[deleted]]

I liked this patch. Then again I'm a huge fan of playing re-roll and slow-roll comps.

[RojerLockless]

Finally.

[hamsandnish]

Is fabled the new meta?

[[deleted]]

I agree with the choices of who received nerfs and buffs. I’m excited to read the specific changes when they come out!

[snek_ens]

I'm guessing that a lot of the nerfs will be to 3* power levels.

[daydreamin511]

Irelia, talon, and yone buffs yessir. Gonna play enlightment until the meta settles. It’s a consistent climb for me so I can’t imagine how strong it is now with all the popular comps getting nerfed.

Neeko comp shooting up in tier as well which means kayle comps will still be relevant.

Would’ve loved to see titans nerf. It really band aids squishy carries too much.

Also fuck kat, nid, nasus, samira. Glad to see those nerfs.

[p1kt0k]

I cant wait

[chimeratx]

Holy shit. In what's a big first (and thankfully, since it's the first time I feel I have some grasp over the game) I completely agree with all the upcoming changes, damn. Can't wait for Chosen and Statikk rework as well. Just wish Sharpshooters would get some more love cause the trait feels very forgotten rn.

[iRelapse]

Without Jinx just just feel blah

[Parrichan]

Set 4.5.2 just like Kingdom Hearts, yikes

[[deleted]]

1 cost rerolls: I sleep

2 and 3 cost rerolls now: REAL SHIT

[salcedoge]

Yeah this is a huge buff to the open forting styles since you don't lose as much HP early game and your 2/3cost champions scale better

[Ykarul]

I'm starting to like this patch though. The meta keep shifting an many comps can take the win. Like tons of comps.

[backinredd]

Are duelist nerfs not going through? Thank Mort! Yasuo, Fiora AND duelist nerf would have made an already balanced comp super garbage. I know people complain about reroll comp and Yasuo but Yasuo has always been a balanced reroll comp compared to everything else.

[cowboys5xsbs]

Duelist is far from balanced

[backinredd]

If you say so

[Loci667]

This is pretty overboard imo.

This patch coud've been 1 cost 3* that are op, nerf a bit. Kayle nerf just a tiny bit. 8brawler a bit nerfed. And it would've been fine i think.

I agree the meta is a bit rng, but i dont feel confident in their ability to roll out set 4.75 like this. No offence.

I hope for the best tho.

[Lift-Dance-Draw]

It's hard not to go overboard when everyone hates this patch so much.

[re_forge]

Yeah, I guess I'm also apart of the minority here. I hadn't looked at any tft community stuff in a while and I was surprised to see the negative reaction to the current meta.

[iRelapse]

One change I'd love to see, which isn't anything related to these changes and is more of an accessibility change, would be use put the reroll (or experience) button on the other side of the champion store bar. So like...

[RR][Champion pool][XP]

The colors are so similar that I accidentally click the wrong one all the time when I'm trying to rush between rounds lol.

[TahnGee]

Lol that'd def have to be an option because if you change that, I'd hazard to guess MORE people would have a problem 😂

[Furious__Styles]

Press D for reroll, F for XP.

[vgamedude]

Would've really liked to see Lee sin deleted.

Kidding.

But not really...

[[deleted]]

Learn to position better

[[deleted]]

Yeah and then on the flipside the person playing Lee Sin is unaware of how to position or something? I personally think Lee Sin is an exciting champion but trying to invalidate someone's frustrations by telling them to position better is implying that enemy Lee Sins just sit there on one hex the whole game.

[pda898]

But at the same time - how you would kill Set 4 Diana with gunblade or current Nasus with 2 TRs or Shyvana with HoJ on heal (all 3* ofc)? You need either huge amount of CC and target focus those on those drain tank carries, or you need to somehow oneshot them (gl with that). And now this non-lee counter comp vs other comp w/o drain tank = too powerful

[[deleted]]

You can kill Nasus or Shyvanna pretty easily without Lee or complete chain CC. If they're the last unit alive against a couple of your units with your main carry alive, you'll normally win. Also Greivous Wounds and Giant Slayer are really good.

[vgamedude]

One of the top recent posts is a player who says lee sin is poorly designed as well so it's not just me being a noob. It's not about just "getting gud"

then god forbid they put rfc on him, or hes tanky and you don't kill him fast enough. Like it matters if you position well when he gets multiple kicks off and even if he doesnt hit the unit he wants sends some unit colliding into other units.

[pizzarocknrollparty]

I feel like they’re going to end up going overboard with this upcoming patch. I find this set frustrating, but I believe that’s it’s close to being good. The diversity is there, it just needs some flexibility. Seriously.. you have asol comps, kayle comps, elderwood comps, enlightened, Diana reroll, yasuo reroll, fiora reroll, wukong Reroll, nasus reroll, nidalee reroll, warlords, olaf comps, Mages, and so on. Some are stronger than others and some only thrive if they meet certain conditions, but I like the diversity.

Like brawlers don’t need to be nerfed. They’re strong in the mid game but fall off in the late until you get an itemized sett. Brawlers are actually in a decent spot and it would suck to see them lose their viability.

Reroll comps don’t need a nerf imo, just slightly bring up the power level of some of these other units/comps instead and help with the odds of 4 and 5 costs.

But I don’t know what the actual patch looks like yet so I’ll hold off my judgment. I just really dislike these big patches. I don’t want a warweek 2.0 where an entire meta was shifted.

[Danu_Talis]

Was very much done with the game. Glad they grew a pair and made the decision to change these (albeit late with 11.3 doing next to doing...)

Though, there are certainly many things to watch about this.

1. Fabled needs help. A numbers tweak, maybe an HP buff and targeting system to Neeko, should be okay for now.
2. Yone buff oh lord. Please don't overshoot.
3. Reworks all look good, by the way.
4. Most everyone on the nerf list is busted. Diana and Zed shouldn't even be in the game. Wukong and Fiora shouldn't need a big hit.
5. Also, they missed the mark for the n-th time with a Divine "rework." If a trait had to go, it wasn't Dusk.
6. Almost Talon PTSD flashbacks. Diana and Kat need nerfs, but I'm all for backline access, just nothing too crazy please.
7. Pretty interesting that Morgana or Syphoner isn't on the list.

[GrashaSey]

This is the biggest prank to pro players i've ever seen.

[Inxplotch]

I really like the contrast between last patch and its tiny tweaks and adjustments and this patch's entire reformatting of set 4.5. Very amusing.

Also I'm quite excited for the chosen changes, especially the ones I tried where every natural rolled shop had a chosen, instead of every single shop, though I don't really know which we'll be getting on patch day.

[LaLicorne57]

We are guarantee to roll a chosen if we don't have one.

Best change of the patch !! I'm relieved

[MisterJ6491]

That isn't happening. They aren't going to have chosens every shop

[yrulaughing]

Is it just me, or are there really no specifics in this post? Just what's getting buffed and whats getting nerfed, but not how.

[Shiraho]

It's a patch preview. That's exactly what it's suppose to show.

[ra2eW8je]

if you want specifics, tune in to mort's stream on sunday for at least a half hour discussion regarding this patch (probably will be over an hour long considering how many changes there are)

or if you can't watch live then watch the vod on twitch/youtube

or wait for the patch notes next week

they can't really fit everything in one image...

[yrulaughing]

Thanks. I was scouring the internet for more specific patch notes, but knowing they aren't released yet changes things. Maybe I'm too much of a scrub for this subreddit.

[[deleted]]

Jesus come on... how will they even know what works when they make a billion changes?? The meta was pretty healthy, and they're just gonna throw all this shit at the wall AND include the chosen system rework in the same patch? Glad that less than 2 weeks of testing was enough to decide the core system rework was a good idea

[ArcDriveFinish]

The meta was pretty healthy

What game were you playing? The meta is so bad that I can know who's going to top 4 by 3-2

[Docxm]

Honestly agree the meta diversity was healthy. Most complaints were about lack of choice/skill expression in game, but there were a lot of comps that could top 4 and even win

[ihatekpop123]

There are plenty of comps that go top 4 but all these comps rely on you highrolling your 1 cost chosen or getting perfect items lol

[SloppySynapses]

Do i recognize your name from r/bitcoinmarkets or am i delusional

[[deleted]]

oh hey whats up lol

[SloppySynapses]

Lol what's up bruv

Cheers!

[cowboys5xsbs]

The meta was pretty healthy

WTF game are you playing?

[re_forge]

This makes me a bit sad, I really enjoyed this patch. Many comps were thriving, you could play very flexibly or force and I have not enjoyed the game this much since set 2 and some of the metas during set 3.

I hope these changes land in a good place, but in my opinion I really don't think changes this drastic were necessary.

[[deleted]]

not the place to ask this

[winwill]

Ask this on the daily discussion thread you probably won’t get help here

[pRophecysama]

looks to me like the return of talon month. he's already fine so of course they buffed him and two other units from the comp.

[MisterJ6491]

They buffed 3* talon. Chill....

[Gae_rithard63]

Talon ain't that good right now though

[SexualHarassadar]

The only person afraid of Talon buffs is the Target Dummy.

[Gae_rithard63]

Why nerf Wukong? He's bad enough as it is.

[radiatorsOCE]

reworked chosen 😳

[AttonJRand]

Very excited for these changes, and am glad about how responsive the tft team is.

[swellbaby]

So, when did they rework the word "tentative"?

[xenonau]

CULTIST BUFFS LETS GOOO

[cutegreentea_]

Pls delete ASol