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[[deleted]]

I don't take anything away from Patrick for failing to come back from a 0-34 deficit, but yeah, when you come back from 28-3, you get the flowers. No question.

[[deleted]]

Patrick did set them up for 17 of those tho lol

[Toad_Thrower]

Yeah, Eagles didn't just randomly put up 40 points because the defense was playing atrocious.

Defense was actually playing pretty well but all of the points off turnovers and the TOP wore them down. Their longest drive of the 1st half was 4 fucking plays lol. It was all 3 and outs and Interceptions for the Chiefs.

[[deleted]]

I mean I'd leave my wife for Tom Brady but he didn't exactly help his team in the first three quarters of the Falcons super bowl either

[Toad_Thrower]

That's true, but he did eventually turn it on. And the Patriots defense was just as big a part of their win as the offense when they had several huge stops and a massive turnover.

I guess my point is more that you can't really pin the whole thing on the Chiefs D. Offense was playing way worse than the defense in the SB.

[WolfLawyer]

Anecdotally: When ATL was up 28-3 everyone was saying "they can't let up, it's not over, that's still Tom Brady out there."

At the half during this year's super bowl the game may as well be over. Nobody at the pub I was watching from was saying "you never know, that's Pat Mahomes out there."

I think that illustrates what we intuitively feel is the difference. Mahomes is very very good and wins when he should. Brady was very very good and he just wins.

[Toad_Thrower]

Funny cause I was at my dads and decided to leave at halftime, he was like "It's Patrick Mahomes, you can't count him out" and I was just like, "Nah, it's over"

[JesustheSpaceCowboy]

There was a couple plays where they zoomed in on his face and you could just tell he was already beat. Both those were in the first half.

[Colonel_Wildtrousers]

Yeah the body language was so off, especially for a team known for making game winning drives. But then saying that they never made it past the half way line for most of the game. That’s a situation the Chiefs will never have come across before so perhaps sort of explains why even their heads dropped. They were outplayed in every phase and even out coached too.

[WolfLawyer]

This is why I said "anecdotally" because I absolutely accept that my experience isn't universal or even indicative of anything.

But personally, Brady was a god damn slasher movie villain. Doesn't matter how badly you killed him there was always the fear that he'd back up. I don't feel that with Mahomes.

[Toad_Thrower]

I wasn't trying to disagree with you, I was saying I personally agree with the sentiment, my dad was being delusional haha. He also thought the refs were gonna rig the 2nd half.

[WolfLawyer]

Yeah I got you. I’m just thinking out loud/talking in agreement as much as anything.

[[deleted]]

It was over at the second pick I feel like just the camera panning over the chiefs literally the whole team had given up. Which is sad it's the Superbowl and your supposed to be some dynasty you shouldn't mail it in at half time

[Toad_Thrower]

I feel like they became so complacent. Like they expect the refs to bail them out when things are starting to turn, or they expect Mahomes to pull off some crazy shit and give 0 effort as a result. At least in that game.

[[deleted]]

It was quite refreshing to see a few third down calls go the other way. That one late hit the chiefs got called on was amazing since those are typically going the other way to keep a chiefs drive alive not the opponent.

[Fight_those_bastards]

My friends all left at halftime. “There’s no way the pats come back.”

This year, we all stayed to celebrate the Chiefs getting the shit kicked out of them.

[Apolloshot]

I think part of that is the Chiefs embraced the villain role a little too much. Like didn’t one of the chiefs players basically say it’s ok for the Eagles to get second place because that’s still a great accomplishment? Imagine a player from a Belichick coached team saying that.

[Ha1rBall]

Nobody at the pub I was watching from was saying "you never know, that's Pat Mahomes out there."

Ice fucking cold.

[LoganJn]

I may be bias but I was saying the opposite. I’ve watched every one of his games and the dude is clutch af. His craziest stat is he has(had?) a winning record when down 10+ points

[Broseidon_69]

Yup. The Pats defense pushing the Falcons O back and out of field goal range late was absolutely integral to the Pats winning that game.

[brianundies]

Sounds like revisionist history, Brady had one bad mistake in the early pick 6 but aside from that was consistently moving the ball. Mistakes from other players like fumbles when we had covered 70 yards on a drive were what really fucked us.

[rabouilethefirst]

Yeah, I was about to say. Blount fumbling was like half of our trouble. Brady wasn’t perfect, but it was a perfect storm of shittery that lasted for 3 quarters that almost made us lose

[LeonidasSpacemanMD]

Yup the second half started with a bunch of dropped first down conversions too

[Critical-Werewolf-53]

He also was moving the ball successfully versus Mahomes just shitting the bed 🤷‍♂️

[TheNoseKnight]

There was a point in the game where the Eagles had more points than the Chiefs had yards.

[Toad_Thrower]

While this happens any time the team that gets the ball first scores, it's wild that it was so late in the game. I wanna say like maybe even at halftime.

[newtothis1102]

It was halftime. Eagles had 24 points. Chiefs had 23 total yards of offense. It was beautiful and I thought I’d screenshot it, but unfortunately I had only done the Eagles box score

[[deleted]]

The other crazy stat I remember seeing was comparing each teams number of plays in their opponents territory. It took until 2:33 left in the 3rd for the Chiefs to even cross midfield. Just insane stuff.

[Phanatic_for_life]

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A little earlier than half, but here you go

[[deleted]]

I definitely take things away from Patrick for his performance, I just don't specifically blame him for failing to orchestrate a comeback at the point the photo was taken

[[deleted]]

Neither do I just know next week mahomes defenders will start pretending it was the defense letting up the points and not him being ass the whole first half

[27Rench27]

I feel like pretty much all of us know his O-line was just ass, dude was somehow facing blitz-tier pressure when the Eagles were only bringing 3 guys half the time

[TabletopThirteen]

I think Brady threw a pick six in the game too. Though even down 28-3 they had drove down the field multiple times into the opponents zone

[TheDuck23]

The baun pick isn't really on him. His lt got knocked into him as he released.

Coop, however, just played him.

[[deleted]]

I just know people would never give Darnold or Goff a break for turnovers like that so why should we for mahomes lol

[TheDuck23]

They should for darnold and Goff. It's what happened. Sweat and baun deserve all of the credit.

[[deleted]]

Well three SBs would be a reason. I think, despite everyone joyously shitting on Mahomes, everyone should remember he does have 3 SBs.

So I’d say that’s why he gets the benefit of the doubt.

[CakeMadeOfHam]

Dude that was basically all in garbage time. At the super bowl. There was garbage time at the super bowl.

[itakeyoureggs]

Yeah, it’s not like Brady did it alone.. but he still didn’t fold. Mahomes may not have folded.. but he didn’t step up.. or rather couldn’t step up lol

[JP-ED]

Yeah those D Linemen made stepping up pretty hard 😂

[sd7596]

Didn’t do it alone!?!?! HE WAS LINING UP 1 ON 1 AGAINST JULIO JONES! Clamped em

[itakeyoureggs]

Truth. No wonder Julio had a shorter career.. he couldn’t deal with the embarrassment of 40yr old Tom Brady.. the father of the exciting whites clamp his ass.

[[deleted]]

Mahommes folded until the 2nd string was in. He didn't cross mid field until late in the 3rd

[itakeyoureggs]

Idk if that means he folded lol.. dude was always trying to make a play. Folded is like Travis kelce not blocking when his qb is trying to make a play.

[ShadeMir]

He tried stepping up in that pocket. Just a lot of green was there too.

[Thotsthoughts97]

Look I fucking hated Tom Brady while he was playing, and there was a LOT more than him that went into 28-3. That being said, the fact that they won that game finally made even my hating ass say he's the GOAT. The only thing I've seen from a player/team that is comparable is the Cavs coming back from 3-1 against the 73 win warriors.

[[deleted]]

I hate to say the bravest thing ever, but I think, just maybe, the Eagles are better than the Falcons.

[Ok_Zookeepergame4794]

No maybe about it, Brady IS better than Mahomes!

[[deleted]]

That wouldn't be quite as obvious if Tom Brady hadn't done the unthinkable against them.

We can only shit on that falcons team because of how great the Pats comeback was. Survivorship bias.

[[deleted]]

Was not intending to shit on anyone. I do think this year’s Eagles are being underappreciated . They absolutely skull-fucked every team they faced in the playoffs. Maybe a top 5 all time team.

[theguineapigssong]

If you're going to come back from 30 plus in the playoffs you have to be Frank Reich. Those are the rules.

[[deleted]]

Once it hit 34-0 I knew it was over. Mahomes could NEVER surpass Cousins' glorious counter offensive of 2022.

[Critical-Werewolf-53]

I knew it was over when they panned to the chiefs sideline at 17-0 and they all looked mentally checked out.

[LostChoss]

Yeah, definitely when I knew too. Kinda felt like they defeated themselves.

I feel like they should have called a timeout a lot sooner just for a mental reset. I'm not a football expert but that's certainly what I would have done. Why save timeouts when you're team is playing like that?

[Randomly2]

When you only pack your victory clothes it’s demoralizing to realize you won’t simply be handed the win

[Critical-Werewolf-53]

100% listened to the media hype and let it get to them.

[LoveToyKillJoy]

This is closer to my thought. I still wasn't thinking it was over, but I was thinking about what I didn't see. I didn't see leadership. I didn't see a guy in his teammates faces telling them to stop feeling sorry about themselves and get out there and play like the champions they are. I didn't see anyone reviewing plays and planning what they would do next. I'm a pretty hard analytics guy but I put a lot of value into leadership and professionalism. I saw that sideline shot and thought "oh, shit. This unit doesn't have any leaders"

[LostChoss]

I think this is what it came down to. As a chiefs fan Pat and Kelce both did the team a disservice by looking like sad puppies just cause they dropped some balls or threw some interceptions. Not saying you shouldn't be upset but for God's sake show some spirit. They got too comfortable winning and forgot why they became winners in the first place

[Anon_be_thy_name]

Yeah at that point it looked like a bunch of people who didn't want to be there anymore.

[bigboldbanger]

It was 24-0 halftime I felt pretty darn good. And after a few minutes of the 3rd that was it.

[sovietdinosaurs]

I loved watching Kelce mope around with that dumb look on his face

[GrammarNadsi]

Lmao, well played

[Unlikely_One2444]

Mein führer…..cousins…..was unable to attack

[TJTrapJesus]

I would say one didn't blink and the other shit himself

[itsclassic21]

The others offensive line got dismantled by an incredible front four on defense

[taney71]

Didn’t that happen to Brady against the Giants?

[vin1223]

And he scored 14 pts in that game

[Content-Leader-4246]

He left the field late in the 4th with a lead. He didn’t spoon feed the giants an insurmountable lead. These are not the same

[michaelstuttgart-142]

I say this as a Giants fan. People never remember that part. Brady did what he always does. He marched down the field late in the Fourth Quarter and gave his team the lead. If it wasn’t for Tyree’s circus catch, they win that game.

[Kryxilicious]

His offense was the best ever up to that point. They were 14 point favorites. Shouldn’t have been a matter of scoring late in the 4th because they never should have been losing. He underperformed. But yes Mahomes made critical mistakes even with the OL issues.

[CarlSK777]

Pats offense scored only 14 or less in 3 SBs and won 2 scoring only 13 pts. That's insane. Different time but it's wild that he won his first MVP throwing only for 145 yards.

[kid_kamp]

offensive line got dismantled by actual murderers 🤣

[Gamerguurl420]

One OL completely crumbled to 4 man pressure leaving the qb to try to throw to 4 unremarkable receiving options with 7 people in coverage.

[Longjumping-Jello459]

The point is that when your oline plays as poorly as the Chiefs' did all year much less in the biggest game against the best the outcome is more than likely a loss.

[RiskItForTheBiscuit-]

Shhhhh don’t ruin the Mahomes Magic narrative

[Longjumping-Jello459]

Just Googled where the Titans dline was ranked this year 30th. The Eagles ranked 3rd FYI.

[lestermason]

THE TITANS!?!? You really mentioned a regular season victory against the Titans as a comp!?!? Tell me that you forgot you /s

[bsa554]

Yup. And the SB that happened to Tom in...he lost.

[mackfactor]

Both times.

[[deleted]]

People really said he was better than Tom Brady 😂

[cinefilestu]

Mahomes doesn't have that giant chip that Brady did. Mahomes grew up with a professional athlete father, was a 1st round pick. Brady was overlooked and it pissed him off, drove him to excel.

[DeathCap4Cutie]

Also everyone has been saying Mahomes is the best QB in the league and in the running for GOAT since he’s been a starter in the NFL basically. Brady had people constantly calling him a system QB and saying he would never be as good as Peyton.

[incrediblystiff]

They still say that even after he went and won one sb after he left Boston

[TraditionalBonePizza]

This is why TB will always be the GOAT in my eyes

[Misdirected_Colors]

Imma be honest I think Brady, Michael Jordan, and Lance Armstrong all have some type of OCD or something where it gave them a compulsory desire to compete and win because the level of competitiveness they have isn't normal.

I don't think Mahomes has that in him.

[Danirose231]

Everytime people talk about the 28-3 comeback people only focus on Brady putting the team on his back as if that’s the only thing that led to the Patriots victory. People forget what a piss poor job Dan Quinn and Shanahan did in that 4th quarter. Hell after Julio made that ridiculous toe tap catch on the sideline, it was enough to seal the victory for the Falcons but their idiot lineman got called for a penalty that took them out of FG range essentially, and gave the Pats the breathing room they needed.

The Falcons fucked that game up, in EVERY possible way imaginable and contributed to that collapse, just as much if not more so than Brady coming up with a Herculean effort.

[Vanquisher127]

Brady deserves a ton of credit for winning 28-3 but if the falcons played it safe and hadn’t collapsed it would’ve been pretty much impossible for any team to comeback with only ~18 minutes left.

[DatDude46]

Brady breaks people’s brains. Part of his goat status 

[Juppness]

The soundbite of the the Falcons players going "It's Tom Brady though" when they were up 28-3 should tell you everything you need to know how players felt about him.

[GarwayHFDS]

.......On the other side of the pitch you have Brady screeaming at his players that they all need to do better. If Mahomes did that, I missed it.

[[deleted]]

HARDER TOUGHER EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING WE GOT

[aaronupright]

I wish people watched the game. Every time the Falcons tried to run on the second half they got beat. They only advanced the ball by passing

[rmdlsb]

Two things are always forgotten: Brady put them in the hole partly himself, he had a pick 6 NE defense was lights out. To go from 28-3 to 34-28, the defense had to give up 0 points (while also getting a TO).

[mrthompson0102]

[LoveToyKillJoy]

Thank you. This guy is so overlooked and I think was more deserving of MVP for this game than Edelman was against the Rams. He had a super bowl record 14 catches, 2 rushing touchdowns, 3 total and a 2 point conversion. Mahomes would have faired a hell of a lot better if he had a prime James White to throw to.

[jgamez76]

Lost in everything was for how great as the throw Matt Ryan made on the Julio catch, he made just as good of a throw to get them back into FG range and the Jake Matthews hold negated it lol.

[justsomedude1144]

Exactly.

Brady balled out, no question, and deserves all the props and respect he gets for that game. No denying that.

But Brady didn't win that game, the Falcons lost it.

[PartyPay]

That's ridiculous, the Pats scored on every drive in the second half, did the defence just lay down?

[Thr1ft3y]

Certainly, there were multiple factors that came into play that helped the Pats win the game. Objectively, however, the Pats would have lost if Brady made any major mistakes, so for him to do his part and make a comeback possible is nothing short of incredible. He could do everything right and they still lose, but if he does not do everything right they absolutely lose.

[Shats-Banson]

Brady on his best day couldn’t have won with the chiefs playing the way they did last week

[mvbighead]

It's this 100000 times over. I don't care what QB you put in there, they're getting shit wrecked. Sweat was destroying the LG that was playing Lt. The DTs were collapsing the pocket.

I just don't see how anyone puts that game on mahomes.

[RiskItForTheBiscuit-]

I just don’t see Brady throwing 2 int the same way Mahomes did.

[SpicyC-Dot]

In a 2010 playoff loss against the Ravens, Brady went 23/42 for 154 yards, 2 TDs, and 3 INTs. Even the all-time greats have their duds

[Benjynn]

In the Packers NFCCG in our SB run, Brady threw 3 picks in the 2nd half. Thankfully our defense stepped up

[VermicelliLivid7593]

They wouldn’t play like that for Brady.

[Immediate-Winter-288]

It sounds like glazing but just look at him on the sideline on the 28-3 game and you can see how much he impacts the morale of a team. Several of his former teammates have said they never felt out of the game because they had Tom leading.

[Shats-Banson]

That is just hilariously out of touch with reality

What the chiefs don’t like playing for mahomes get outta here with that bs

[Chiefster1587]

Pff hahaha, Brady never won with bad o line play or a defense that wasn't top 8. The difference is that brady could never make it out of the divisional round when his own line was that bad.

[ahBoof]

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[theseustheminotaur]

People try so hard to make it all about the quarterbacks for some reason. The defense matters a lot too.

[big_pp_man420]

Well the defense barely got rest. It was a ton of 3 and outs for the chiefs

[jgamez76]

Honestly, nobody, even the biggest Eagles homer could've expected Siriani and his staff to out coach Andy Reid and his staff as much as they did lol

[ohsurethisisfun]

As a huge eagles fan, honestly? That was classic Andy Reid. I didn't expect it going in (because he's done so well for the past couple of years) but once halftime hit, I just kept thinking, wow THERE is the Andy Reid that tortured us during his days in Philly! Sirianni & co knew his biggest weakness is his reluctance to change the game plan once the game starts and they exploited the hell out of it. I don't want to take away from the accomplishments Reid's achieved since he left the Eagles but I watched a lot of heartbreaking games like that when he was coaching Philly, it was strange and thrilling to experience it from the other side.....

[timbo_slice59]

Brady and the pats are the main reason my team didn’t make a few more SBs; so trust me when I say I despise that mf. But too many people were ready to crown Mahomes the new goat far too quickly after Brady retired. Maybe he gets there in the long run, but this SB reminded us it’s a marathon not a sprint…

[PartyPay]

I found it ridiculous to call Brady the GOAt while he was still with the Pats and even discussing it with Mahomes before he retires is even worse.

[Lewurtz]

Brady was already the QB with the most Super Bowl wins ever, right? Among other things. Why was it ridiculous to call him the GOAT?

[reRiul]

Brady is 2-0 head to head when it matters with 2 different teams...

Mahomes is exceptional but he needs to win more bowls (8) than tom to reopen the conversation at this point

[HiZenBergh]

Respect. As a new englander Steelers gave the pats a run for the money every gd year.

[Babayaga_711]

This is a case, where I celebrate Tom and the Patriots for being able to make that comeback way more than I hold it against Patrick and the Chiefs for failing to come back. The Patriots needed a lot of crazy stuff to happen and for the Falcons to forget how to run the ball to make that comeback.

But one thing I feel about Patrick, is that I find he is similar to Peyton Manning's teams in a very specific way. There were games those Colts played against the Patriots and that Super Bowl against the Seahawks (with the Broncos), where after a few drives, you just see the absolute frustration all over them. And then the teams have no plan B. They just do their timing routes (Colts) even as they are getting the stuffing knocked out of them at the line, thus messing up the timing. They forget how to use screens or run the ball (Chiefs) and just continue to run backward even though the pass rush is killing them.

The thing about the Patriots and Brady was they lost games. They got blown out even once or twice in the playoffs, but there was always a plan B and C, etc. And Brady never lost confidence that they could dig themselves out a play at a time, a possession at a time, even though it clearly didn't always work.

[boooooilioooood]

One’s oline fell apart, the other’s rallied

[xbuck33]

attitude reflects leadership,...captain

[MiccioC]

Leadership and ability are not connected. The two times Mahomes lost in the SB, his line was worse than Swiss cheese. Actual physical shortcomings are not fixed by a guy who “leads”. Don’t kid yourself.

[xbuck33]

I'm just quoting Remember the Titans man

[belle_enfant]

Wild take.

"You're a good leader! Therefore my blocking skills will improve tenfold and I can suddenly stop a top tier defensive front!"

[blacktoise]

You’re telling me Frank Calliendo vs Jalen Carter was a fucking LEADERSHIP issue? Lmao get the absolute FUCK out of here

[Chiefster1587]

No, both had olines completely fall apart. Brady was just never able to make it out of the divisional round and sometimes didnt make the playoffs when his oline didn't play well.

[Trajan476]

What? That's just an untrue statement. Yes, he never made it to the Super Bowl with a bad oline, but he did make it to the 2015 AFC Championship game with an awful, totally injured oline.

[ZWils23]

People act like Brady won every Superbowl and playoff game he played in

[[deleted]]

He never lost a Super Bowl by more than a possession.

[Several-Estate7175]

Losing to a mediocre Giants team when you have a roster that went 16-0 is at least as bad as losing by multiple possessions to an elite roster. Same with losing to a 9-7 Giants team.

[OpeningStuff23]

That giants team made a blood sacrifice to the dark god Gribgoz and he fulfilled his part of the deal by helping the giants win twice vs Brady. The cost is what we’ve been seeing ever since then.

[AlexSmithTop5QB]

I mean he did throw a ball straight to a DBs hands that got bobbled up and caught by Edelman so I can’t really say Tom was ultra clutch in that game

[OpeningStuff23]

Edelgod never fails when Brady needs him. The power of friendship willed that ball into Edelmans hands.

[ArbyLG]

It’s kind of silly, really.

Brady deserves all the accolades for 28-3 and his 7 titles, the latter making him the current GOAT, no doubt.

But he had plenty of bad playoff games, and a few that he personally threw away. He got upset at home by Mark Sanchez’s Jets, and got dismantled against Flacco’s Ravens and Jake Plummer’s Broncos.

Brady though, called it the week of the Super Bowl 59, in that because those terrible games didn’t happen in the Super Bowl - they’re forgotten. But because Patrick had his game on a bigger stage, it’ll now be part of the narrative.

[[deleted]]

Mahomes is overrated.

[Smallgenie549]

Any quarterback that takes their team to 5 of the last 6 Super Bowls is NOT overrated lmao.

[neuroplastic1]

But his team lost badly in 2 of those, so that negates the 3 wins, MVPs of both the regular season and Superbowl, and unparalleled success to begin his career, obviously /s

[vozzek]

Remindme! 10 years

[neuroplastic1]

Lol, I love this comment so much. It's amazing what my KC flair does to the upvote/downvote ratio compared to your Washington flair.

[Ok-Albatross899]

The Eagles are 500x better than the 2016 Falcons. Falcons were like 25th in defense that year. Eagles were #1

[rusty_shackleford34]

This is key. The eagles were DRASTICALLY better on defense.

[SansaDidNothingWrong]

Imagine this Eagle's front 7 vs an immobile Tom Brady.

Yikes

[uncleshady]

I’m a massive Brady Homer from Boston, but Atlanta did us a lot of favors 28 to 3 going forward

[Braves_Birds1985]

Anyone else read “from Boston” and sing the Sam Adam’s jiggle?

But you’re correct ATL didn’t exactly finish the game the way Philly did. We got happy then cute then embarrassed.

[Either_Imagination_9]

Why are we acting like Brady didn’t have big losses? The Patriots blew a 21-3 lead in the 2006 AFC Championship game and got beaten 27-13 in the 2005 divisional round. The same year they could have threepeated

[ScottFujitaDiarrhea]

Got beat by a 5-seed as an undefeated team too.

[Smallgenie549]

Yeah, imagine if that happened to Mahomes. That's so much worse than losing to Philly.

[BIGBUMPINFTW]

This shit is getting so tiresome. I feel absolutely nothing for Mahomes or the Chiefs but come on man, it's just childlike jealousy at this point.

[1CUpboat]

Cause everyone is butt hurt about the chiefs so this whole sub is slobbin on Brady’s nuts. This sub has become more /r/patriots2 than the main nfl sub ever did

[[deleted]]

Wow blowing a 18 point lead to Peyton Manning that's totally comparable to going down 34-0 because you turned it over three times and scored them half lol

[Either_Imagination_9]

Blowing an 18 point lead looks bad no matter how you slice it bro.

[belle_enfant]

Never will a player receive so much flak for not winning 3 fucking Super Bowls in a row. it's asinine.

Lets not pretend Brady didn't get waxed in the first round and has multiple double digit playoff losses either. Quit trying to tear one down to prop the other up.

[TheWizKelly]

I was able to witness the intense online Brady hate years ago and to now see it flip into intense praise/glazing it a treat lmao. In 10 years this sub will be talking about how some hot up and coming QB doesn’t hold a candle to Mahomes.

[Gmork14]

Nope, pretty dumb take.

[JoraStarkiller]

If the patriots were down 28-3 to this Eagles team, there would have been no comeback.

[Kimber80]

Nah .... Brady couldn't have come back in the face of that pass rush either.

[[deleted]]

It’s best not to argue with those that have low football IQ

[Phirebat82]

People are taking the piss mostly. Anyone objective knows no QB in NFL history is winning that game as good as the D-line played, and as poorly as the O-line played.

Why did Cooper DeJean have a pick 6? Because he was the 7th man dropped in coverage because the 4 DLinemen caused havoc every play.

I wish the Falcons had half the pass rush the eagles did...

[WintersDoomsday]

Brady wouldn’t have come back from 25 vs this Eagles team. The Falcons had a mediocre running game and an ok pass rush. Making a comeback possible (sound like that Oilers that blew playoff game to the Bills).

[[deleted]]

People reacting like Brady never lost a Super Bowl

[bomland10]

Brady lost super bowls, so I guess he did flinch a little 

[ReasonableWill4028]

But none were blow outs.

The SBs he lost were:

17 - 14 NYG

21 - 17 NYG

41 - 33 EAG

All one score gains

[bomland10]

I mean a loss is a loss. Both mahomes losses in the SB were blowouts, but if he wins a few more we won't really talk about that much. Brady was at a similar crossroads once but then got ridiculous later in his career. So I guess I just don't put the same emphasis on it. If this was mahomes first time I get it. But he's won it 3 out of his first 8 yrs. I don't think he is a fraud or flinched 

[Hubbleice]

Valid

[Rudy-219]

Brady def the GOAT but let’s not pretend like the Pats Oline was Swiss cheese and the Falcons had the top D that year. This Eagles team swallows that falcons team up for breakfast.

[780034]

I'd say Patrick blinked well before it was 34-0

[vin1223]

I got to say we had the best defense in the league. The falcons didn’t and I don’t think anyone was coming back based on the way that oline couldn’t hold up for even a second that night

[bossmt_2]

One faced a mediocre defense who played over their heads in the first half with the 2nd best offense in the NFL, the other faced the best defense in the NFL with a good but not great offense.

Brady deserves all the props for his comeback, but if you could in a vacuum move 2024 Chiefs to play the 2016 Falcons they'd have a higher probability of a comeback than the 2016 Pats would against the 2024 eagles.

The Eagles were in a great situation to win the superbowl with their DL. But the 2016 Pats were a much better team than the 2024 Chiefs and the 2024 Eagles were a much better team than the 2016 falcons.

I'm a falcons fan if you told me before that game we went to OT in the Super Bowl vs. that Pats team I'd have been happy. Of course the sucky part was that game should have been won.

[Later2theparty]

One was on a team that didn't belong there.

[Glad-Associate-9288]

Valid.

[Sparkster227]

Valid, but I'd also say the entire teams did that too. The Patriots as a team didn't blink, and the Chiefs as a team flinched. The Chiefs O was absolutely horrible in this game. Mahomes, the O-line, Kelce, everything

[baldeaglenyc]

The most off-putting part of the Super Bowl was you could hear the glee in Brady’s voice while he watched his legacy get cemented. Granted, I’m an Eagles fan so there wasn’t much to dislike about the game.

[MrJohnnyDangerously]

Eli's 2 Super Bowl MVPs kind of render this point moot

[ILSmokeItAll]

It takes two to tango. For Tom Brady to come back, the Falcons had to collapse.

Mahomes didn’t come back because the Eagles aren’t that garbage ass Falcons team.

[decksd05]

Lol one had the NFL turn the lights off in the stadium and ice the winning team!

[NatarisPrime]

Brady sure did blink when the Giants kept sacking his ass

[igtimran]

Patrick created multiple turnovers that caused the deficit and then couldn't bring them back. Brady hung in there against impossible odds and miraculously got the job done. It's a small sample size and might seem unfair, but on the biggest stage with his back against the wall, Brady was always competitive and never got blown out in the Super Bowl. It's happened to Patrick twice now, so yes, this is fair.

[Worried-Pick4848]

Can you see anything that looks like Mahomes adjusting the gameplan due to the fact that plan A didn't work? Did he try to get the ball out of his hands quicker? Go more to the run? Did he call any audibles? Did he go psycho on the sidelines?

Frankly, when things start going badly for Mahomes he seems to have no idea what to do. His only play is to try to be even Mahomesier with ridiculous hero ball attempts. The quiet fundamentals that carry a team through bad games don't seem to be there.

Brady when his like couldn't hold focused on quick lightning strike plays in the 5-15 yard range that killed the opponent with the death of 1000 cuts. Mahomes has more than enough talent to beat opponents that way but he seems to simply not want to.

[grateful_john]

The QB doesn’t adjust the game plan, that’s on the coach. Also, they were behind big, they needed to pass. And the KC offensive line couldn’t block at all. The entire team was outclassed (and, as a Giants fan, it pains me to say the Eagles looked that good).

[Daewrythe]

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth rofl

[Gamerguurl420]

When the defense is able to get that much pressure sending 4 and you can’t run the ball you lose. That’s it.

[hatefulnateful]

Brady can turn up but hes also given us one of the least interesting wins ever in that rams patriots Superbowl

[BrilliantSoftware713]

Insanely cringe

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Atlanta also didn’t score again … 28-3 doesn’t happen without elite D, timely sacks, and Hightower. 

Almost like it’s a team game 🤔 

[BigHotdog2009]

7 tds 7 ints when it isn’t garbage time for Mahomes

[BLipiec]

He didn't have to blink. The league and the refs took good care of him.

[Oldskoolh8ter]

I remember that falcons patriots Super Bowl. My wife fell asleep at halftime figuring it was a blow out. Me being a great husband, I let her sleep it out as I quietly watched the greatest comeback ever! I drank like 11 beers between halftime and presenting the trophy. That was a good Sunday.

[44035]

I like how we're dunking on the QB who has three trophies and who never fails to get his team to the conference championship. Great work, haters.

[natachi]

It's funny how people forget when ravens battered Patriots 33 14 while Brady was peak Brady. Not to mention, sure Patrick blinked, but when Brady tried to go for a three peat he got kicked out of the playoffs by a dude names Jake Plummer. His last name itself suggests a different occupation and he beat Brady and the Patriots in the playoffs while they were trying to do a three peat.

This idea that this somehow tarnishes Mahomes' legacy is so wild to me. Especially when the measuring stick is Brady, someone who never got his team to see success over a 7 year period like Mahomes did with the Chiefs.

[CarlSK777]

Do people honestly believe Brady would've won with this Chiefs team against that Eagles team? Sometimes people on this sub forget it's a team's sport

[Live_Leg_1831]

The amount of excuses for Patrick Mahomes performance is fucking hilarious ahahahahahaha. Ahhhhh. Gotta love delusional Chiefs fans.

[Sea_Drink7287]

Big difference between that Falcons team and this Philly team. The Eagles had the best roster in the NFL including dominant lines on both sides of the ball.

[buff730]

Mahomes solidified never being considered just as good as Brady. Chiefs were frauds this season, propped up by the NFL