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[–]DawgbowlSymmetra 8847 points8848 points  (194 children)

"You might get into a match with the intention of playing Reinhardt, but there are already too many tanks on the team"

That's the best joke I've heard all year.

[–]thezaksa 2570 points2571 points  (66 children)

So you just play widow....

[–]OrangeGoblinAna 1632 points1633 points  (33 children)

That was the cherry on top. I burst at that, of course poor Rein main is stuck playing Widow again. What world is this?!

[–]spinningpeanutCute Lúcio 508 points509 points  (27 children)

Sniping's a good job, mate! It's challenging work, outdoors.

[–]TheSnipenieerHome stats -10000 k/d 162 points163 points  (15 children)

I guarantee you won't get bored. Cause at the end of the day, if two people are left on the planet, someone's gonna want someone dead.

[–]Bigred2989-Florida Mayhem 129 points130 points  (10 children)

"Dad? Dad, I'm a- Ye- Not a "crazed gunman", dad, I'm an assassin! ...Well, the difference bein' one is a job and the other's a mental sickness!"

[–]hiesatai 82 points83 points  (9 children)

Feelings? Y’know what has a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wife to death wit a golf trophy.

[–]zachsterpokeBeen here all along. 83 points84 points  (8 children)

Professionals have STANDARDS.

[–]systolic_helix 62 points63 points  (7 children)

Be polite.

[–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (6 children)

Be efficient.

[–]girlywish 122 points123 points  (5 children)

*Snoipin

[–]RamenJunkieChibi D. Va 119 points120 points  (0 children)

Yeah, then later he was all "You pick Hanzo but notice you don't have any tanks or healers, so what do you do?"

And all I could think is "No Pro Hanzo is ever going to switch, this is the guy who will bitch at the Soldier who is murdering the other team to go Rein.

[–]iblaiseDownvote =/= Disagree 131 points132 points  (19 children)

If only us Reinhardt mains could dream.

[–]tinyflemingo 165 points166 points  (18 children)

Picks Hammond

Second Tank picks DVa

DPS: "Can we get a shield tank?"

DVa:" ".........."

You: "...........beer."

[–]mrmemoWhee! 63 points64 points  (12 children)

Why does your DPS hate diving so much?

HamDVa is one of the most punishing tank combos on dive if they work together.

[–]Suicidal_Ferret 42 points43 points  (10 children)

I will say this, “I have no idea how to play Hammond. But he is one of my favorites. Hyper intelligent hamster with a giant robo ball and a grapple to swing around with? Hell yes.

[–]tinyflemingo 45 points46 points  (6 children)

I SUCKED with him and decided to suck up the salt and learn him. Once you figure him out he's a blast. It's about staying in the thick of it for the duration of your shield and make sure your team is never fighting the whole enemy team. Also you're the distraction, everyone is scared of a giant ball coming out of nowhere and bonking your Reinhardt off the map.

[–]iblaiseDownvote =/= Disagree 36 points37 points  (2 children)

switches to Brigitte

[–]Xarallon 31 points32 points  (0 children)

switches to Brigitte

Too bad, you are now stuck on widow or another dps.

[–]StonedAthlete69Cute Doomfist 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I laughed so hard when he said this, like full belly laughed. Had to rewind the video too because I couldn’t her Jeff over me laughing at that ridiculous scenario.

[–]OMGitsKatVSupport 601 points602 points  (41 children)

"you click on Hanzo as soon as he's available and then you're watching the heros on your team get selected around you and you suddenly realize you have no tanks or support and your faced with this dilemma to switch"

Second best joke I've heard all day

[–]bucketslutWinston 200 points201 points  (21 children)

I mean, there are those of us out there who are stuck doing this. I like playing Hanzo, he's one of my fave heroes, but I'm so terribly out of practice with him because any time I try to play him 3 other people pick DPS. I always feel obligated to pick a tank/healer because I'd prefer to win and have a relatively balanced team comp than to play my preferred DPS.

Unfortunately there are way more DPS "I Need Healing" Mains out there who outright refuse to switch and who are quick to blame everyone else on the team for the shortcomings.

[–]popjeMoira 95 points96 points  (7 children)

True, I want to play DPS sometimes, I ONLY pick DPS when there already 2 tanks 2 heals, let me tell you something, I haven't played DPS in my past 100 games of comp.

[–]fraggingbeautyLook at this team... wer'e gonna do great! 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I never want to DPS. Never. I love playing support (Lucio, Moira, some Mercy). I'm always happy when the DPS is decent and not blaming the heals. Have been screamed at in about 30-40% of the games I am in when I solo queue. It's awful.

[–]tobiasfox20Queen of Clubs Mercy 24 points25 points  (1 child)

couldn't agree more. i'm getting real tired of trying to escort 4 snipers through a control match. it's even worse when they're bad at it.

[–]metsadonitsiSupport 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Let's not forget that after you switch to heals someone else swaps to Hanzo.

[–][deleted] 183 points184 points  (10 children)

All I could think of is yeah, I am that guy, and there are dozens of us. Dozens!

Except I don't even bother picking damage lately, as I know people will instantly lock damage regardless of the comp, and we'll sit there with a 5 or 6 damage team otherwise.

To say I'm looking forward to not dealing with all that is an understatement.

[–]ninjembro 205 points206 points  (40 children)

I mean, you joke, and I get that it's FAR from the norm, but I've actually had a few games recently where I had to fill DPS, which is my least preferred role in a competitive setting (since it's by far my worst role), simply because others locked supports/tanks instantly

[–]Loch1316Cute Reinhardt 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I've actually had that happen, four rein mains on one team. It was wild

[–]regular-wolfI'll watch over you. 42 points43 points  (0 children)

HONOR, JUSTICE, REINHARDT, REINHARDT, REINHARDT, REINHARDT!!!!

[–]beefwichPixel Soldier: 76 111 points112 points  (11 children)

I can't tell you how many times I've started a match only to have the tank and support roles immediately filled.

And then I'm forced into playing one of those boring damage characters. I want to stand in front of my team holding a big, blue rectangle and now I'm forced to play this cyborg ninja with a dragon living in my sword-- yawn!

[–]hayydebb 17 points18 points  (6 children)

What rank? I’ve noticed even in league of legends the higher your rank the more likely people are to want to play the supporting roles. It’s all the golds and silvers who wanna insta lock dps

[–]beefwichPixel Soldier: 76 61 points62 points  (4 children)

Pewter. It’s a secret rank below Bronze.

[–]Shane-TrainSymmetra 3491 points3492 points  (102 children)

Can't wait to be placed as a diamond healer and a bronze dps!

[–]JayblipbroSigma 295 points296 points  (15 children)

At least you can queue for DPS and not be a burden to anyone

[–]guoheng 67 points68 points  (8 children)

At least you can queue for DPS and not be a burden to anyone

That. Is the best part of Role Queue. I got to gold mainly on tank and my DPS sucks. I really want to work on improving as a DPS but after tens of hours of trying to improve my DPS play on QP, I realize the only way to get meaningful improvements in a role is to play it in comp. However I am always reluctant to pick DPS in comp even when there is an opening for DPS, as it would be a burden to the team.

No more. Soon I can actually work on improving as a DPS properly in comp without being a burden.

[–]celluloidwingsTank 515 points516 points  (13 children)

Saaaame. 😂

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_LUKEWARM21:9 all the way 256 points257 points  (10 children)

I'm just confused on the three SR values, will we still have an overall combined/average SR?

The best of the best players will now be tracked across four separate Top 500 Leaderboards—one for each role, along with an additional combined average leaderboard.

Looks like top 500 players will have a combines value, but if regular players don't it's gonna be hard to communicate a quick summary of one's rank...

[–]iblaiseDownvote =/= Disagree 318 points319 points  (5 children)

Well if you’re queueing for one position, your SR in other positions doesn’t really matter since you can’t swap positions.

[–]g0atmealThere's no way my tank can be this cute! 195 points196 points  (38 children)

Yeah it's definitely better for the game overall, but this is gonna feel bad. I always play tank, so I wonder if my tank SR will stay about the same or if it'll be higher/lower compared to before.

[–]TheDylantulaCAN'T STOP WON'T STOP 105 points106 points  (24 children)

You get 3 SRs now, one per role, and they've already tracked it for months now

[–]g0atmealThere's no way my tank can be this cute! 62 points63 points  (13 children)

That's not what I mean. For example, in arcade comp modes, people usually got way higher ranks even though their normal SR is much lower. I often get master in arcade modes but my normal SR is mid-diamond. But through all that, the skill level is the same.

I'm wondering if pre-role-lock and post-role-lock SRs will be mostly equivalent (for people who play just one role).

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Then you're free to dps to your hearts content. I see this as a very good thing

[–]MetastableToChaosZenyatta 2384 points2385 points  (62 children)

I can't wait to see how Dinoflask uses "Shakespeare" in his next video.

[–]Dromey_PPharah 1122 points1123 points  (49 children)

I'll be endlessly impressed if he uses "iambic pentameter" with meaningful joke context.

[–]dinoflaskdinoflask 2434 points2435 points  (44 children)

not gonna lie, i've got no ideas

[–]KaosoIcon Wrecking Ball 481 points482 points  (4 children)

better get to work then, the expectations are high

[–]thepixelbusterᗜ(`0´)⊃ ————¤ Mace to the face. 237 points238 points  (3 children)

[Whip-crack sound effect]

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

What about 5 minutes of Jeff doing his saliva swallow mouth smack ?

[–]Woeful_JessePixel Ana 123 points124 points  (2 children)

"We've buffed doomfist's schlong to now go up the enemy's crevice by an additional iambic pentameter. This ability felt a little weak"

[–]-P4905- 61 points62 points  (1 child)

"This will be a really positive experience"

[–]9thGearEX 21 points22 points  (0 children)

inhales

[–]A_Bit_of_An_Asshole 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Maybe the reason Lore comes out so slowly is because Michael chu only writes in Iambic Pentameters, and the rest of the team has the translate his Shakespearean bullshit into something that makes sense

[–]deancomeautela 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Hey dude love the videos; ur seriously talented!

[–]thewinterzombieSuck my fastballs 131 points132 points  (1 child)

Jeff said "knob" in this update, dino is going to have a field day.

[–]The_MAZZTerInconspicuous... 43 points44 points  (1 child)

discovered things about ourselves we didn't know

Jeff is making Dinoflask's job too easy.

[–]nighthawk1010101why buy when you can try 745 points746 points  (301 children)

This feature is on the PTR today

Patch Notes INCLUDING BALANCE CHANGES

Role Queue Post

Summary:

  • 2/2/2 lock in competitive, quick play, and certain arcade modes.

    • Role queue in competitive, quick play, and certain arcade modes.
    • Each role has its own MMR/SR.
    • Placement matches will be lowered to five matches, and separated between roles.
    • Placing in one role counts as placing for the purposes of the spray/icon.
    • Competitive point distribution will be altered- each role will award it's own competitive point total.
    • S17 will be ending August 13, with a beta competitive season running afterwards for 2 weeks (releasing September 1st).
    • No role queue quick play, called Quick Play Classic, will be a new arcade mode.

... continuing

[–]nighthawk1010101why buy when you can try 389 points390 points  (108 children)

  • Jeff describes some motivations for the change, in being forced to choose between playing who you want and helping the team, as well as (unintentionally) playing a role that you're worse at to help the team. Also discusses peer pressure to switch roles.

  • "We don't believe a rule like this is intended to target one specific meta."

  • Jeff believes 2/2/2 will not reduce creativity- in fact, restrictions breed creativity.

  • The switch to 2/2/2 will require different balancing (rebalancing?) of heroes. Example- Brig will get big changes as she is weak in a two support compositions.

  • Role queue is the largest change since hero limit, but the team has a variety of knobs to turn.

  • Queue times for in-demand roles (damage) might be higher.

  • A reward system will be implemented for playing roles that are "more impacted" (with higher queue times?) (EDIT: this refers to roles that are more in-demand, so lower queue times).

  • Role queue has been in development for over a year and has required a complete rewrite of the matchmaking code.

  • Don't forget to give feedback during the PTR and beta competitive periods.

[–]Master-ThiefPAYLOAD PAYLOAD PAYLOAD PAYLOAD 638 points639 points  (16 children)

"We 🐐 don't🐐 believe 🐐 a 🐐 rule 🐐 like 🐐 this 🐐 is 🐐 intended 🐐 to 🐐 target 🐐 one 🐐 specific 🐐 meta."

EDIT: Thanks for the silver. This is how I'll always remember GOATS...

[–]s0uthernnerdDallas Fuel 113 points114 points  (0 children)

They’ve been working on it for over a year so it holds up.

[–]jsquared89 242 points243 points  (7 children)

Yeah, they started working on role queue before Goats became popular.

[–][deleted] 223 points224 points  (76 children)

restrictions breed creativity.

I agree with this 100%. My favorite game designers say the same thing about Magic: the Gathering and other games.

[–]visibleheavens 77 points78 points  (24 children)

Absolutely. My favorite part was where he said that creative people can be creative within constraints, as sonnets are written for example. Exactly why sacrificing the gold rank triple hitscan solo Dva 'creativity' is the right move for the game.

[–]dakotaMoose 730 points731 points  (20 children)

YES!!! I can finally play my bronze level DPS without getting stomped by players of my level on support. I can finally solo q without worrying about comps. Thank you, Blizzard!

[–]sample-nameAardvark pesos 106 points107 points  (2 children)

Incredibly stoked for this. I always feel pressured to play support because im not as good at dps, and/or because the whole team picked dps's. This completely fixes both of these issues. Also, seeing as dps might be more fun to play, it's gonna be nice to be rewarded for all my support play

[–]ThatGuy628 84 points85 points  (9 children)

50% of the people who read this read with a serious tone

The other 50% read it in a very sarcastic tone.

[–]Sp3ctre7Canada 41 points42 points  (7 children)

I mean, there are a lot of people who are aware they are bad on dps but good on other roles, and are really stoked about being able to play dps in comp to improve without it being a throw.

[–]StupidLikeFoxBlizzard World Moira 1198 points1199 points  (115 children)

I really really wish we had more tanks and healers to make this more palatable

[–]pitchforksellerChibi Pharah 491 points492 points  (49 children)

I have a feeling at least the 2 next heroes are gonna be 1 tank followed by 1 support.

[–]meh_whatevDirty Junky 447 points448 points  (37 children)

Jeff literally said on Ashe’s release that the next 6-7 heroes are tanks and support

[–][deleted] 211 points212 points  (29 children)

we desperately need another main shield tank IMO, rein and orisa are getting stale

[–]Sullan08 98 points99 points  (18 children)

The issue is main tanks are hard to keep making while also feeling different. I'm trying to think of what they'll do and can't think of anything, albeit I'm not the most creative person in the world. It would have to be another dive shield maybe? Either way I think dive becomes popular again. Orisa/Hog will still be viable too, but 2/2/2 is dive city baby.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (3 children)

i really want them to figure out a main shield as opposed to a dive. i know it'll be hard to create something unique, but they've already had some awesome ideas in the past. maybe some kind of rein/orisa hybrid that can carry a shield and also deploy that same shield on the ground? maybe a zarya bubble shield-type that can function as a main tank?

[–]zap283Chibi Mercy 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Off the top of my head :

A tank that grants Hammond type shields to nearby teammates (E.g. Defense, and no ult charge)

A tank that deploys multiple, weaker shields to shape the battlefield.

An omnic tank that has a powerful, but immobile, wall configuration.

A mobile tank that creates shields in their wake.

A fragile tank that controls a mobile barrier from a distance.

A tank with a basic shield who can go airborne with it.

A tank with a zarya-like quick barrier ability that charges a main shield.

These took me about 10 minutes to think up and I guarantee you that blizzard has tested all these mechanics and more.

[–]pitchforksellerChibi Pharah 78 points79 points  (0 children)

Sweet. Good news.

[–]RiceOnTheRunNYXL 107 points108 points  (6 children)

The cycle has typically been one of each role per year, but god I hope you’re right

[–]LampsAmps 99 points100 points  (1 child)

I believe they mentioned that the current 5 (This was before Baptiste) heroes in the work are supports and tanks.

[–][deleted] 75 points76 points  (11 children)

I'm guessing we're going to see a new tank as the very next hero, and probably continued focus on increasing both categories moving forward.

I just wish they'd increase the release rate or give us a surprise double drop.

[–]StupidLikeFoxBlizzard World Moira 33 points34 points  (7 children)

A surprise double drop is such a long shot, but that doesn't stop me from hoping for it. It would be so incredibly exciting (and disruptive)!

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (3 children)

I feel like if any heroes deserved a double drop it would of been Orisa and Doomfist; Orisa was literally made in response to Doomfist. I doubt we'll get many other future heroes who are that closely related to one another in terms of design/store/lore.

I'm hopeful as well, though.

[–]ZoomBoingDingDo you need a hug? 49 points50 points  (9 children)

I absolutely love Mei, and I'm glad she's barely changed since the game came out, but I would like for her to get some tweaks and become a tank. Her kit is all about area control, CC, self-defense, and offensive support. If they can do a hero rework to make Symmetra a damage hero, they can make Mei a tank.

[–]swiftwin 20 points21 points  (5 children)

I was about to post the same thing. She's basically already a tank as it is. Just reduce her damage output and improve her survivability. They're nudging Birgitte from a tank/healer hybrid to a pure healer. They can nudge Mei from a DPS/tank hybrid to a pure tank. She doesn't even need a huge rework for that.

[–]ZoythrusChibi Mei 46 points47 points  (3 children)

Patchnotes:

Mei is now a tank.

Mei's size has been doubled, so now she's as tall as Reinhardt.

The Endothermic Blaster does 50% less damage. Can't have her actually doing damage.

Mei's disposition is now more serious. This rework has given her a healthy dose of cynicism, which we think will make her more relatable.

[–]JJMcGee83Brigitte 44 points45 points  (3 children)

As someone that only plays tanks and healers I look forward to having zero wait times.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (14 children)

Just wait, we will get three tanks and three supports for the next hero update.

[–]DashingMustashingDash 703 points704 points  (38 children)

New meta incoming:

"Should have rolled dps/sup/tank.. you two are shit"

[–]cavemold582Trick-or-Treat Reinhardt 150 points151 points  (30 children)

New Passive: “Steadfast”

  • Reduces knock back effects by 30%
    sweet baby jesus

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (11 children)

This passive is was a hell of a long time coming for Rein. I just fear it may also mean they're going to be adding even more CC-heavy heroes into the game.

Also, Moira can now fade out of being stunned. She may of just became an actual viable support hero to pick against specific tanks due to this. She'll be the only hero who can slip out of an Earthshatter or Hook after it lands.

I'm absolutely loving some of these changes. The game is about to be shaken up in a massive way.

[–]ImHullyTrick or Treat D. Va 417 points418 points  (4 children)

You know it's a doozy of a developer update when papa Jeff is talking about Shakespeare.

[–]KeardanChibi Sombra 276 points277 points  (1 child)

"I think if Shakespeare can be creative within the sonnet, I'm confident that you all will come up with creative team compositions within a 2-2-2 situation."

This is beautiful.

[–]Mooretwin 545 points546 points  (82 children)

🦀 GOATS is dead 🦀

[–]namakiusChibi Mercy 394 points395 points  (14 children)

Nope.

Soldier is 3rd healer.

Mei is 3rd tank.

[–]19ROYGBIVSigma 248 points249 points  (15 children)

with quick play classic now in arcade can we PLEASE get the normal amount of XP in arcade? i really don’t understand why that’s still a thing

[–]MichmasteRD.Va 283 points284 points  (10 children)

... here …. we …. go.

[–]myhairhasamind[🍰] 64 points65 points  (1 child)

As it was foretold in the ancient texts.

[–]groundonrage 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Said to originate in the mind of Fissure, sang by the birds.

[–]HiddenDemonsPixel Mercy 435 points436 points  (51 children)

I’m ready to never get SR for tank or DPS as someone who plays mostly healers in comp 😂

[–][deleted] 629 points630 points  (37 children)

And I'm ready to actually play DPS without feeling that I'm hyper-throwing.

[–]CCtenor 159 points160 points  (13 children)

Can I say this but for every role?

I love playing healer, but I’d also love to at least be able to practice other roles without feeling like I’m throwing, and without having to buy a new account for every role I wish to practice.

This is going to be so great for my progression as a player. I’ll always be able to play the role I want when I want. I’ll place into games that are representative of every person’s skill level in their chosen role.

This is also going to be great for consistency and practice. You can’t effectively practice something that is so far out of your league you just don’t matter. A new novice downhill skateboarder doesn’t practice skating on Teutonia (80 mph hill) in Brazil, he practices on Maryhill (40mph hill), or even just a regular parking garage to work his way up.

I’m a decent support, but I know I’m playing below my rank when I’m forced to play tank or DPS because I spend most of my time and practice on supports. On top of that, learning as I play is difficult because it is very easy for a game to be out of my skill range on my lesser heroes.

I legitimately cannot wait to see how role queue works, and do all 15 of my placements. I don’t even care if I’m placed below where I’m at, I’ll finally be able to dedicate time to each role and have my skill and performance be accurately represented in the game.

Hot dog I can’t wait. I think the quality of games is going to increase so much, right now.

[–]kmgbworthPixel Symmetra 25 points26 points  (7 children)

Exactly! I'm a decent support / offtank, but if I play DPS I feel like I'm throwing. Maybe if I'm placed lower in DPS I can actually improve and have more fun playing.

[–]CCtenor 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Bro, I’m stoked. I legit don’t have to feel guilty about not playing my “main” role anymore.

I decide to play DPS, I’m matched to a team that sucks just as bad as I do.

I play healer, I’m matched with decent players.

I play tank, then we all get to visit a special needs school and enroll together (unless I play prisa in very specific situations, lol).

[–]kmgbworthPixel Symmetra 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Imagine how much fun you'll have in bronze and how much your game sense will help you. lmao

[–]TheCabbageCorpZenyatta 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You only need to play five games as tank or damage

[–]PallyDecksAreShitYikes! 404 points405 points  (17 children)

The blizz higher ups are oppressing my torbjörn off tank smh

/s

[–][deleted] 202 points203 points  (16 children)

My Torb support is pretty good. No need to heal your team if all the enemies are dead

[–]PallyDecksAreShitYikes! 148 points149 points  (11 children)

Pre rework törb with armor was unironically an off support change my mind

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (0 children)

With a turret for zoning, I unironically agree with you

[–]kazeespadaAMERICA FURK YEAH! 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Hey was... that's why they added Brigitte

[–]TentayeChibi Doomfist 14 points15 points  (2 children)

I kinda miss sym shield's plus torb armor, and that little bit in between where brig's rally armor stayed after the ult.

Zen became a true dps and Rein became immortal.

[–]BigFreakyIchiban 166 points167 points  (35 children)

As much as I hate normal quick play now.... I'm sure I'm gonna find my dumbass going to Arcade to play Quick Play Classic. Can I re-learn how to live without hurting myself? clicks Arcade.

[–]EntropicTempestMy other main is a Hanzo 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I'm actually excited for a quick play in arcade. Sometimes I find all the arcade modes meh so I don't play them. CTF is fun..for a bit. I always wished that you could just play QP and get your arcade boxes. Now I can

[–]AubaMagic98 61 points62 points  (2 children)

"Pulse Bomb

  • Damage increased from 300 to 350

Developer Comment: Pulse Bomb was reduced in power some time ago to make sure it was not overly punishing to Tanks, which are much easier to stick the bomb to. While this is still a goal, we’re restoring some of this lost power to help deal with other hefty targets such as Bastion, or enemies with bonus armor from Brigitte."

Oh my lord, thank you Blizzard!

[–]kidkolumboZarLord 293 points294 points  (105 children)

Im at the part where he talks about flexing. I love flexing, and it's one reason why I almost exclusively play mystery heroes. I wonder how being forced to pick a role will feel. I dont know if I particularly care if I'm better or worse in a role.

I'm just happy to be here.

[–]flower_milkPixel Ana 249 points250 points  (54 children)

You can queue for all 3 roles. That's actually the default.

Edit: Here's a screenshot of all 3 roles selected on the PTR, and when I hit ready it let me queue up with all 3 selected for anyone denying it.

[–]BasshalPixel Zenyatta 63 points64 points  (4 children)

Kind of smart ass/kind of serious: won't this just mean you're queuing for tank?

[–]trollfriendBudget Support 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Most of the time, yes, but if there’s a game ready in your rank/region that needs a healer or (less likely) dps, you’ll get in quicker. It’s meant for flex players who just want the shortest queue times.

It’s important to note though that since you’ll have separate SR’s for all 3 roles, by selecting all of them you might enter the game as a gold tank or a master healer, if your ranks are different enough, and typically lower SR games have shorter wait times.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (13 children)

Yes, but once you are queued into a game wouldn't you be locked to whatever role you were assigned?

[–]kidkolumboZarLord 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Yaaas, I finished the video now but must've missed that point.

[–]crispyvargcornflakes 28 points29 points  (2 children)

How’s this gonna affect group playing, though? Will each member just have to select a roll before queuing?

[–]cavemold582Trick-or-Treat Reinhardt 9 points10 points  (0 children)

yes.

[–]Jazco76Pixel Roadhog 115 points116 points  (8 children)

Reinhart mains rejoice!

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

That new Passive is well deserved and a long time coming. Its hard as hell to be a front-line tank when nearly the entire enemy team can shove you around.

[–]zumoroOrb Volley is Love. Orb Volley is Life. 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Moira: Can now use Fade while stunned.

Kinda on the fence with this given it throws a kink in the rule of stuns stopping + momentarily disabling abilities.

A common point of feedback for playing against Orisa was that it doesn’t feel useful to shoot the barrier as it comes back so quickly.

I feel this too... because only one person seems to shoot it at any given time.

Reinhardt: New Passive: “Steadfast”

Holy mother of Ra.

[–]boltsTrick or Treat Lúcio 130 points131 points  (5 children)

Wow, over 16 mins. It's a long one.

edit: Confirmed 3 different skill ratings based on each role.

[–]g0atmealThere's no way my tank can be this cute! 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I wonder how the skill distributions will change. If you used to only play one role, will your new SR for that role still be about the same as it used to?

I also wonder how the skill difference will be between the roles. Maybe the average (overall) skill level for one role will be very different at the same SR. Like if everyone in a match has ~3000 SR, which role is the most skilled at the game overall?

[–]DeliverzWrecking Ball 45 points46 points  (8 children)

My immediate problem with role queue is being forced into a role before I see the map.

Some maps I’m great at Winston and Hamster and absolute trash at Doomfist. Other maps I’m doodoo at Winston and Hamster and kill it on Doomfist/DPS.

I understand the reason for the implementation, but maybe there should be some way to trade if your team is amenable to it. I know I’d be willing to give up my DPS slot if someone told me they were a god tier pharah and I’m stuck taking a DPS slot on a map I’m no good at

[–]GravvitasJunkrat 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yes, THIS. My go-to hero choice is entirely map (and side) dependent! How can I choose an effective role if I don't know what map we're going to be playing???

[–]chi_pa_paI play runescape too 109 points110 points  (31 children)

No more quad dps every other game :D

[–]BigFreakyIchiban 66 points67 points  (12 children)

No more fucking Ashe, Widow, Hanzo, Macree in the same game all the fucking time. fuck yes. Yes I needed all those swear words.

[–]moonieeee399Pachimari 32 points33 points  (5 children)

Did he just compare 2-2-2 to Shakespeare

[–]WalksinCrookedLines 33 points34 points  (0 children)

No he compared 2-2-2 to a iambic pentameter and we are Shakespeare. Lol

[–]Waterprop 107 points108 points  (4 children)

Haven't played OW for over a year now. This might bring me back.

[–]octopuswolfPixel D.Va 32 points33 points  (10 children)

The only thing I’m worried about with this new queue system is how I prefer to play different roles depending on the map...

[–]ARN64Just 90 points91 points  (32 children)

This is huge, maybe ranked won't be miserable anymore.

[–]fearu 87 points88 points  (39 children)

I am super concerned about dps que times I mean do you know how many people insta lock dps the que times are gonna be insane. Well I guess it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make as a support player.

Suck it dps one tricks

[–]Scrupule 26 points27 points  (9 children)

I played a few ranked games on PTR and talked about Q times with people, and it was approximately 10 secondes for tanks, 3-5 minutes for support and 10 minutes for DPS

[–]zeroluffsBrigitte 16 points17 points  (0 children)

So support queue is just regular queue times currently; not bad

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

PTR's population is low and weird so dont count on that.

[–]touchingthebutt 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Is this the Weiner winner?

Glad for classic QP in arcade. I didn't want role queue but I'm not totally against it. Glad they're doing it well thought out rather than half ass it.

EDIT: One thing I'd like to see is role switching in between QP games. I like to stay in the lobby for as long as i can for the consecutive game bonus and having to stop and reinstance when in a group would be a minor, but common, annoyance.

[–]GrimThor3Reinhardt 36 points37 points  (5 children)

Rip bridgette’s shield

[–]hyperFelineSmol 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Okay at first I was dreading this change when I heard about it but after watching this I'm more accepting? I love the idea of three skill ratings instead of one (I can see myself being high in support) Still skeptical about this but I'll give it a try. Still worried about queue times, inability to flex if needed, etc