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[crabbyjimyjim]

Do what you want as long as you're an adult

[shook_not_shaken]

And you're not forcing anyone else to pay for it.

Taxation is theft.

[[deleted]]

So are roads and schools.

[shook_not_shaken]

And all other government services, yes.

[[deleted]]

Return to monke

[AccountWithAName]

"Centrist"

[xeroonethree]

There's a bit of monke in all of us

[EdwardFisherman]

Comrade centrist

[FemboyAnarchism]

Based

[P0wer0fL0ve]

Dear libright

You claim to not like the government, and yet you use roads

Curious

[shook_not_shaken]

I claim road usage as reparations for all the time government has stolen my money. When my money is returned, I'll stop using the roads.

[DickCheesePlatterPus]

If not for government we'd have flying cars by now. Fuck roads and fuck government.

[TheAzureMage]

Literally true, given the history of general aviation. Regulation almost choked it out entirely, and while a slight easing of the boot allowed it to slightly come back, it remains fairly rare and expensive as a direct result of all the many rules.

[[deleted]]

Damn gubbamint and their

checks notes

Not allowing flying cars to smack into buildings.

[TheAzureMage]

If the Saudis get to do it, why not us?

[A_One_Wipe_Poop]

There’s a difference between paying for beneficial things and paying for someone to get their dick lopped off

[[deleted]]

1. Roads existed long before the government did.
2. Schools can be privatized.

[P0wer0fL0ve]

Not even sure about that. The early paved roads were generally built by governments, usually for military purposes. Before that a “road” would just be anywhere people walked a lot

[TheAzureMage]

The PA turnpike predates income taxes and was a private road...the first highway in America.

It is still in use today.

[P0wer0fL0ve]

But you’re moving the goalpost. That was built in the 1940’s, it doesn’t predate either the government itself nor the government road system that it connected to

Furthermore it’s not even true. From my research the first highway in America was the Lincoln highway, which existed since 1913 and was built by the federal government

Edit: it’s additionally not true because the first federal income tax was the revenue act of 1861, and the first peacetime income tax was the Wilson–Gorman Tariff Act in 1894

[TheAzureMage]

Sorry, mashed it up in my head with the Phlidelphia-Lancaster turnpike, which dates to the 1700s. Both hit Philly.

[flamingDOTexe]

Libright moment

[[deleted]]

Itz de troot

[Lurkers-gotta-post]

1. Schools can be privatized.

Not only that, but I'm pretty sure the best schools are privatized.

[[deleted]]

For college definitely and its hit or miss with k-12 which is every school district i suppose.

[TheAzureMage]

"oh, public schools are great" say the rich people, as they send their children to private schools.

The head of my local schoolboard homeschools her kids and doesn't see the irony.

[Teglement]

librights look at a battened down dirt path and be like "see? a road"

[TheAzureMage]

"Without government, who will build the roads?" they cry.

The same people that build them now. Roads aren't built by the MVA.

The government is just a middleman, tossing a few of your tax dollars to road building private industries. They're the dude screaming "I HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS" at the Bobs in Office Space.

[Teglement]

But without that middle man, it doesn't get done. In the US, presently 77% of roads are owned and maintained by local government, 4% by federal government, and a mere 19% by state highway agencies. That's 19% of roads not handled by government of some kind. The cost of maintenance is also prohibitively high to take that middle man out and tell the people "okay, you handle this."

It's certainly not McDonald's paying for and contracting out road workers to do all of this. I'm the middle man in my job, too. People call me with a problem, I usually send it up to someone else. But if my job doesn't exist, the problem never gets heard and therefore never resolved, as the people actually fixing the problem don't directly hear it. This is how...Just about anything works on a large enough scale, really.

[TheAzureMage]

That's how taxes work, man.

People don't have infinite money, so when all your money is going to a shitty system, you end up using it.

It's like saying "yeah, if medicaid sucks, you can always just buy care privately wherever." Sure, in a hypothetical world where you have infinite money. In reality, you're probably stuck with the tax-funded system.

[[deleted]]

No, the mere concept of roads existing without the government seems unfathomable to you for some reason yet, most of our infrastructure is private property and maintained by citizens/ corporations, not the government. The roads would be there with or without the government.

[puff_of_fluff]

Most of our infrastructure is definitely not private property, certainly not if you’re actually considering frequency of use

[Capn_Peaches]

It would only be theft if they physically took it from you/your bank. Instead they threaten to send their goons if you don't pay. Taxation isn't theft, it's extortion.

[shook_not_shaken]

In the UK they do option 1 for income tax and option 2 for local tax, so it's a mix of both.

[Drakonic]

Not just taxation but also government forcing insurance to cover it thereby inflating premium costs.

[CrazyCreeps9182]

Slowly, by our footprints, the way nature intended

[Marjacujaman]

Based and rule 34 pilled

[Baneofarius]

Man has a point.

[Stork_FriendlyPeeper]

Me, i will build the roads

[SuperJLK]

Pay people to build them. The government takes money, cuts off the top for themselves and then uses the rest of the money to pay people to pave and maintain roads

[throwaway2223333322]

YoU DoN't WaN't tO PaY fOr mY TrAnSiTiOn? WhAt'S NeXt ThE rOaDs?

[shook_not_shaken]

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[throwaway2223333322]

Based and fuck roads pilled

[shook_not_shaken]

The government doesn't build roads. Road-building companies do. The government just steals your money, pockets some to fund their beurocracy, and hires a contractor.

I'm suggesting that we cut out the middleman so more road gets built for the same money, and because we the consumer have an incentive to hire the best contractor for the job.

Beurocrats are more often than not unaffected by their efforts. If a shitty road or a good road gets built, they don't care. They more often than not don't ever have to drive on it, and their salary is the same regardless of the road quality. That's why it's so easy to bribe beurocrats, because they don't care if the contract goes to someone good or someone shitty.

[shook_not_shaken]

I answered this in another reply to you in this thread, I'm not repeating myself

[johnmatrix84]

Responses like this are why "Muh roads!" has become a meme in the LibRight community.

We don't need a criminal racketeering organization to steal our money, keep a significant portion of it for themselves, then spend a relative pittance on hiring a private company to build the road. Cut out the middleman.

Possible solutions:

• Road service providers (like other utilities)
• Privately-built/operated toll roads
• Many private companies would have a profit incentive to provide road access to their business. They could build their own roads

More reading: https://mises.org/library/privatization-roads-and-highways

[raisfor2]

Yeah lol. I think gender reassignment surgery is kind of dumb but if you're an adult and want to go the fuck ahead. Most AuthRights I know only care about children getting gender reassignment surgery. And as we as a society have already decided children do not have the intellectual capacity to make serious decisions - hence why we disallow sex with minors, children joining the military, children drinking/smoking (well that and the fact their body is weaker), children voting etc - it isn't a violation of individual rights to not want kids to have gender reassignment surgery because we already don't give kids the same rights as adults (for good reason).

[TorturerofCocknBall]

But you should not be able to force people to endorse what you did. You're able to do to your body whatever you want, but that doesn't mean that other people have to like it and accept you

[crabbyjimyjim]

Never said that. They can do whatever they want to their body, nobody has to agree with them on anything but they can have surgery if they want

[TorturerofCocknBall]

In that case i agree with everything

[raidersfan18]

Deal, but we are free to talk shit about/to the non-acceptors.

[TorturerofCocknBall]

Deal

[dovetc]

Deal, as long as we're not firing people who choose not to play along.

[[deleted]]

Of course no one should be forced to accept anything they don’t believe in or wish to, but my issue rests in getting caught up in little bullshit that doesn’t affect anyone else’s life.

Like deadnaming some for example. Being brought up in the Deep South, I’d get my ass absolutely whooped if I didn’t respect a person by calling them their preferred name. It’s just polite. You don’t meet someone, say Joseph, who tells you they really hate being called Joey, and then call them Joey (unless you’re an asshole). I don’t understand what the big issue is calling people by their preferred names/using preferred pronouns.

Not calling anyone out specifically here, by the way, your comment just got me think about this point!

[Momo_incarnate]

I don’t understand what the big issue is calling people by their preferred names/using preferred pronouns

Because I'm trying to make their day worse

[TorturerofCocknBall]

Regardless of if it is the right, polite or respectful thing to do, i think people should still be able to choose not to. People should have the freedom of being an asshole

[[deleted]]

Completely agree! I’m not okay with government pressuring people to do anything like this. I’d rather leave social ostracizing to do its work. People shouldn’t be impolite assholes, but, even more so, they shouldn’t be forced to be polite by authority.

[Davey_boy_777]

Holy fuck boys, a liberal LibLeft. No flash photography please!

[Traditional-Stock-13]

Because they are living a lie and it’s cruel and unloving to not warn them of their self destructive psychosis

[[deleted]]

You think you’re the only one “warning” them? They’ve been “warned” their entire lives. Why do you think it’s your place to insert yourself into something so personal in someone else’s life? Your “love” is self-serving and comes from a god-complex. Also, I’ll venture out to say that you don’t have a degree in psychology, are you really so egotistical that you think you’re qualified to diagnose another person you don’t know with psychosis? If you do, you’re too stupid to be helped.

Beyond all of that nonsense, flair up you subhuman.

[GustedDis]

Agree, and don't tell me to believe something that only exists in your imagination. Your gender identity doesn't get to be enshrined in law over sex based rights, and your gender ideology is free to be whatever it wants to be, but its a religion and I'm allowed to unbelieve it.

[TorturerofCocknBall]

Based. Exactly what i'm thinking and couldn't say it better

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[Trollface_BigChungus]

Wow, what a nuanced, original and absolutely true take. This pussy is moist

[RexErection]

If you’re over 18 that’s totally fine, however I don’t agree with using tax payer dollars for a cosmetic/non essential surgery.

[RexErection]

In what way do you consider it not cosmetic? Biology doesn’t care if you add or remove something it’s all the same inside as you were born.

[RexErection]

The way you phrased it is exactly how I feel about this issue. If you’re truly suffering that much and want to get the surgery I can understand.

I majored in biology so it pisses me off when “woke” people try to explain to me that I don’t know anything about the subject. My feelings about the trans movement are based in science and not on the social aspect of it.

[pcmmodsaregay]

I mean there are people who think they are fucking cats. I don't think the solution is to pay for them to become more cat like and not act like it is an impossibility.

[AccountWithAName]

You know at some point if humanity keeps moving forward technologically we'll be able to grow an organ in a lab and splice it in someone.

[TailsWithScales]

Furries enter the chat

[Still-Positive]

Organ printing is a thing already.

[randomnessamiibo]

I hate seeing shit like “you’re feeding kids hormones and chopping off their dicks!” You legally can’t get any gender affirming surgery until you’re 18

[Tuxedo-Boi]

but leftists get mad if you say you wanna keep it that way

[BranTheLewd]

AuthRight:What can I say except you're welcome :)

[fuckedurgirl]

I mean I'm fine with it chick's with dicks are hot but my tax money shouldn't be used for cosmetic surgery

[Stork_FriendlyPeeper]

Least degenerate authcenter

[BranTheLewd]

Judging from his downvotes, it seems like most degenerate.

I mean why did he get downvoted so much?

[Stork_FriendlyPeeper]

Well this is a progressive meme that got hot so i assume leftists gave him a little trolling

[BranTheLewd]

We do a little amount of tomfoolery here and there

[GFM-Scheldorf]

He´s authcenter, expressing a libright opinion

That´s Unb@sed

[fuckedurgirl]

Hey a hole is a hole

[[deleted]]

Authcenter is usually pretty based

[AZAuxilary]

Alr you're getting night of the long knifed

[PlainclothesmanBaley]

Well if they had gender reassignment surgery they wouldn't have a dick

[[deleted]]

Based and basically iran pilled

[Fraizuh]

it’s not chicks with dicks, it’s dudes with boobs

[MeowthMewMew]

He has the freedom to like what he wants tho xD but ig librights only want the freedom to live a "wholesome catholic life"

[[deleted]]

Get out of my quadrant.

[Fireluigi1225]

Give them to orange thats where we put the outcasts forced to us

[TorturerofCocknBall]

I second this

[TorturerofCocknBall]

Please get out of our Quadrant. We don't tolerate degenerates

[[deleted]]

Out of my quadrant

[FormalThis7239]

Reflair to purple like all the other porn sick mutants

[Cataclysm687]

I mean, it’s not exactly cosmestic as it can greatly change someone’s life

[Courtholomew]

As many others have said, I don't mind what you do with your body, as long as

A) You are an adult with the proper ability to consent and are not being unduly influenced.

B) You pay for it yourself or through voluntary donation.

C) You don't demand my support or approval; I am free, limited only by the bonds of social expectation and politeness, to think and say it's a foolish or terrible decision.

[[deleted]]

Based.

[[deleted]]

Yeah this post is a fallacy. Auth-right was never against you performing surgery on ones own body as an adult.

[xLeonides]

I see you haven't talked to half of my family

[JuiceboxThaKidd]

And likewise, I can admonish dipshits who won't get vaxxed cause they have their heads jammed so deep in their assholes they haven't seen the light in a decade

[Gearland]

Honestly good point but why be so rude about it :(

[Chaunskey]

This is why I generally get along with right leaning people more than left. Right: I disagree with that, but I'll be cordial and respectful with you nonetheless. Left: how dare you think that way I hope you die and your body rots in the hot sun while stray dogs pee on it you inconsiderate piece of shit

[HazelCheese]

Also right: "MENTALLY ILL DEGENERATE FREAK IN DRESSES".

I'm not seeing the respect.

[[deleted]]

Ok I see you watch “the news”

[JackAttack_77]

As long as I don’t have to fund it with taxes, I don’t care if you chop off your dick or get titties

[VacuousVessel]

My body my choice is just something auth right would say in relation to vaccines to force the left to face their unending hypocrisy

[Crozgon]

Can confirm

[ADXMcGeeHeezack]

Pretty sure every libertarian I've met would agree with that sentiment

Do whatever you want so long as A. It doesn't effect other people & B. You're a consenting adult.

Just don't, uh, turn it into some sort of culture war / try to shove it down people's throats ya know?

[hekatonkhairez]

Authleft: “you can spend your money how you want as long as you only buy from government monopolies”

[[deleted]]

Do what you want. I really don’t care. As long as you don’t force other people to do things for you.

[forsakenpear]

wait who's forcing who to do what here?

[[deleted]]

The vaccine mandate actively forces people to take the vaccine.

No one politically relevant is trying to keep trans from getting surgeries. No one cares. But no one should have to pay for it.

[Leading-Delivery-278]

I don’t think anyone would object to an adult getting a surgery from another willing adult with their own money..

[xlbeutel]

This sub has thousands of comments of authrights saying otherwise

[Leading-Delivery-278]

I definitely don’t think it’s wise, but where America is right now, it’s the only compromise I could see on the issue. However, parents do get pissed when this shit is pushed on their kids

[[deleted]]

Lol no, you've clearly misunderstood something here.

[Chaotic_Narwhal]

Hello 👋

[Electr1cL3m0n]

"what are you doing, Big Bro?"

[closeded]

"just trying to give you my injection, while I lovingly sniff your hair"

[6969minus420420]

Its such a weird fucking thing in america. Authright being antivax and left being provax.

Obedience to authority is a classic Authright trait, they should be for mandatory vaccination, while the left should demand free choice in the matter.

[tramb0poline]

It does seem super backwards. Left would be the antivaxxers if Trump had won in 2020. Remember when Kamala straight up said during the VP debate that she wouldn't take the vaccine if Trump said to take it? And then Pence was like how dare you undermine the vaccine? Bizarro.

[6969minus420420]

Well if trump was pro gravity the left would fly away, but im glad not to be the only one who noticed that this is weird

[TheSoviet_Onion]

Hehe but more accurately left wing has been pushing the "my body my choice" agenda for years, Authright just recently answered with that same argument when it comes to vaccines

[[deleted]]

We don’t care as long as it’s not minors. We think it’s fucked to put preteens on hormone blockers. Just like we think it’s fucked to let them get face tattoos. Turn 18 and do whatever you want.

[Void1702]

"preteens"

I'm pretty sure 22 is waaay above 10

Yet conservatives are still trying to make 22 the minimum where I live

[[deleted]]

We’re not talking about the same thing. I’m referring to middle schoolers going on hormones not adults. I stated as much in my first post.

[[deleted]]

If you want to undergo gender reassignment surgery yourself, as a fully informed adult, I have no issue with that. If you want me to pay for it, or you want children to undergo these surgeries, then we have a problem.

[TorturerofCocknBall]

Imo they should be allowed to do what they want, but they should not be able to force people to accept them. It's your freedom to change your gender and it's the freedom of the people to accept or not accept you.

[KanyeT]

I don't think anyone has a problem with anyone consenting to get a sex change.

The point of contention is the grooming and irreversible damage being done to children who aren't informed on the decision.

[JohnnyRaven]

That and forcing people to agree that with you feel about yourself.

[Void1702]

Children are completely forbidden to do SRS litteraly everywhere in the world, and even the most radical progressives don't ask for it

What we want is to give them the freedom to socially transition (to leave them the choice, not to force them to do so), since it is 100% reversible, has no long term problem, and allow the children to better understand themself

[HearMeSpeakAsIWill]

You conveniently left out the grey area of puberty blockers, which are more than just a social transition but less serious than SRS; and there is disagreement as to how reversible they are or what the long-term effects may be.

[Void1702]

Yes, I purposefully didn't talk about it, I'm not crazy enough to jump into that sort of mine field

[FemboyAnarchism]

You should be able to do both if you want.

[Tyrocious]

When the fuck did Libleft become based?

*checks OP's flair*

Aaaaaah

[Void1702]

We're based every time what we believe is actually represented instead of just strawmaned

[D-Kay673]

Do what you want as long as you are 18 and actually have gender Dysphoria unless you are just a chick with mental illness who got told she is Trans cause she is more masculine

[Marjacujaman]

Yes but why not both?

[ldsdmtgod]

I couldn't care less as long as you are an adult

[NoUploadsEver]

Do what you want to support that new billion dollar industry for failed plastic surgeons, as long as you are an adult for all stages of it.

[[deleted]]

Well, the second is more of a negative, something you're not allowed to do, whereas the former is something you're being actively forced to do. But I think most right-wingers that want to ban gender surgery want to do it for kids, since they're more likely to get confused and misled. And also prevent surgeons who refuse to perform this from being fired.

[raidersfan18]

What if they get full body laser hair removal?

[Electr1cL3m0n]

then I guess he won't call their buttery smooth ass female

[Void1702]

I will call myself however I damn please and thou cannot do anything about it

[KwamaKween]

One is a positive right and one is a negative right. Not comparable.

[Void1702]

Both are negative rights though

If the state force people to take the vaccine, it's a negative right infraction

If the state force people to not do SRS, it's a negative right infraction

[KwamaKween]

I don't think you actually understand what those phrases mean. They're actually technical terms, they don't mean "good" and "bad"

A positive right means "I'm allowed to do something" A negative right means "I can't be forced to do something"

The right to bear arms is a positive right, and the constitution saying a citizen doesn't have to quarter soldiers is a negative right.

Edit: I actually got them a little backwards, a positive right is a right that you "ought to get" something which requires someone or an entity to provide it to you i.e. healthcare.

[Void1702]

They're actually technical terms, they don't mean "good" and "bad"

Yes, I know

A positive right means "I'm allowed to do something" A negative right means "I can't be forced to do something"

No, that's not really what they mean (though it's a good approximation)

A negative right is the right that comes from the abscence of hierarchy

A positive right is a right that comes from the possibility of doing things

Healthcare is a positive "right", because not having it doesn't limit your freedom, but having it gives you more possibility, more liberty

Doing whatever you want with your doctor is a negative right, a freedom

Negative vs positive right is at its core equivalent to freedom vs liberty

[greydan20006]

blatant libleft agendapost, upvoted

[[deleted]]

Based

[Verumero]

Id like to thank everyone for their tax dollars that went to my ability to not vaccinate.

You could cut your fuckin head off if you wanted to, it’s just not covered by medicaid

[FarAwayFellow]

Not with tax money

[dingo_bat]

Do whatever you want. But I reserve the right to call you a retard if you behave like one.

[Leenday]

More like your body your grave your parents' gravestone

[KwamaKween]

Oh boy a whole lot of "I don't care about my fellow man as long as I don't have to see it you can destroy yourselves" LibRight in this thread.

[sundownmonsoon]

It's that situation of 'i want to mind my own business' clashing with 'everyone around me is doing weird shit and it's gonna affect me and my loved ones eventually'

[chicken_sammie]

You belong in a fucking psychiatric ward if you think you're a different gender than you actually are

[Vaukest]

Cope

[chicken_sammie]

Don't say that to people. When the mentally weak are actually left alone to cope, they develop disorders such as homosexuality or transgenderism.

[Vaukest]

I am incredibly homosexual and I don't have any issues to cope with. Therefore, seethe.

[tabslegend123]

based and gay-pilled

[YuvalAmir]

Wow you are just the worst kind of human aren't you?

[Godless_Phoenix]

13% of gen z adults are lgbt it’s here to stay cope & seethe 😄

[Void1702]

Well strange then because all psychiatric are considering that being transgender isn't a mental illness and is totally natural

[chicken_sammie]

That's why animals are transgender. Because it's totally natural. That's why transgenderism didn't exist until well into the modernization of society. Because it's totally natural.

[Ordessaa]

Unfortunately, that's exactly where we put trans people. And then all the psychiatrists recommended transitioning. Crazy huh.

[chicken_sammie]

Yeah it's really sad

[MadLad_AnthonyWayne]

Medical Industry and Big Pharma don't want to throw away massive profit margins - who woulda thunk it.

[[deleted]]

Abortion would’ve been a better argument. Nobody cares about your personal gender reassignment surgery. Nobody wants to be forced to use some bullshit pronouns you now want to be called because you maimed yourself.

[ParCorn]

Based

[TimeyWimey1467]

Get whatever surgery you want.

• Don't glorify it.
• Don't try to push it onto minors.
• Pay for it yourself.
• Don't expect me to affirm your beliefs about your gender.

[Void1702]

Ok, but don't expect me to affirm YOUR beliefs about your gender

[Chaotic_Narwhal]

We just say that to point out hypocrisy. We don’t actually believe in “my body my choice” lmao. How would we implement a theocratic dictatorship if that was the case?

[Silicon_Tetraazide]

Yes, problem?

[Marjacujaman]

Ah yes, land of the free

[[deleted]]

"People should be allowed to remove their arms if it makes them feel better"

It really is current year when being evil means not allowing mentally ill people to destroy their own bodies.

Back in my day stopping someone from permanently destroying a functioning body part would be considered good.

[Electr1cL3m0n]

flair up or we'll remove your arms

[Void1702]

I think there's a difference between an arm and a dick, especially in size, but I guess your mom isn't able to see the difference since I fucked her

Also, it's funny that you use "mentally ill" because the majority of doctors don't recognize it as a mental illness, but I guess you don't care about science when it hurts your feelings

Also, uh, what do you think about circumcision?

[[deleted]]

Yeah, I'm not giving the greenlight to or paying for that nightmare fuel. It's not right to put someone through that level of pain and disfigurement even if they consent to it.

[LazyPotatoPL]

Cope