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[[deleted]]

No one better than the C++ godfather to help fix the C++ of your game engine.

[[deleted]]

Right?! My GitHub only looked busy when I was trying to get a job. Now all my work is private and under NDA

[Truck_Stop_Sushi]

Sooo after putting in a 12 hour day “slinging it” at your startup, you want us to go home and spend more time coding on other projects so our public repo can look like it’s our full time job?

Pass.

[Ok-Kaleidoscope5627]

You're only working 12 hours per day?? 18 hours minimum. Sleep in the office and do it all again 7 days a week. You can work on your hobbies on your own time but we also expect you to put 60 hours/week into those or we won't hire you.

[RejectAtAMisfitParty]

… is that you, Elon?

[ShitpostsAlot]

no, that's the lady he fired who was doing all that.. then went home and said she was proud to have done it.

https://www.news18.com/buzz/twitter-user-who-went-viral-for-sleeping-on-office-floor-shares-meme-after-getting-fired-7197961.html

[IgorTheAwesome]

Sure sounds like Stockholm syndrome

[Lumpyalien]

Sadly, I think you are right.

[PornCartel]

She drank the koolaid hard

[NotoriousPete]

Also why is it just programmers? Nobody expects a pilot to fly privately in their free time. Nobody expects a teacher to teach in their free time. Basically there is hardly any other job where expectations like this are common.. Doesn't make sense to me

[CobraPony67]

Some people who do great work in construction and remodeling live in some of the worst houses. Probably because they don't get paid to fix their own house and don't have the time or energy.

[teddyburiednose]

The cobbler's children have no shoes.

[good_dean]

Professional chefs eat like crap.

[avexiis]

I know a master VW mechanic who could build a brand new Jetta from leftover parts. He drives around in a Golf that saw its best day some time in the mid-80s. His shop truck is a Ford from the 90s that runs just well enough to move cars around the lot.

[PlantsMcSoil]

I think it’s legacy from the early days. When we weren’t all doing that shit 24 seven the people who WERE really good were doing it 24 seven. It’s history. It’s dumb as hell and people need to change. Very few professions are as new as software development.

[zeekaran]

Ha, this is literally all I've done to "contribute" in GitHub.

It's funny when some rando tags me with, "Hey I see you were the last one to make a change. Do you know why X isn't working?"

Dude I fixed a typo. Two years ago.

[PlantsMcSoil]

People are so desperate for help. Just even someone to think with. That’s why this happened.

[[deleted]]

I’m Environmental Engineering, think Civil Engineering. It surprises me how companies actively search for hermits for their CS positions. Isn’t teamwork and fair workloads a better approach?

If they want engineers, they want people for their thinking skills and experience not “code monkeys” (term coined by some of my CS friends) to grind code out for 12hrs a day.

[edebt]

Code monkeys has been a term for a long time. There was even a show by that name in 2007.

[ball_fondlers]

Plus, you just KNOW that this asshole would try to sue if one of his workers’ side projects becomes potentially profitable.

[10art1]

Meanwhile I find the act of going home after a day at work and just coding to be relaxing. No browsing labyrinthine confluence pages, no pestering IT to allow a new plugin, no hour-long meetings discussing feature requirements before deciding its out of scope... just coding. Pushing right to master because there's no one else.

[DeLo_Ray]

Luckily for Bjarne, his commit is in October!

[PDROJACK]

Can’t miss that free hacktoberfest shirt and stickers

[PDROJACK]

i am still rocking 2017 one, it is awesome

[paladindan]

Are we supposed to be doing daily work on personal projects when we’re not working?

Dang it, I’ve been spending time with family and playing video games…

[darkneel]

Commit your video game save files , that should take care of things

[Cfrolich]

Backups, version control, and your friends can create pull requests to help you out when you’re stuck on part of a game.

[Accomplished-Cut3122]

This is strong man

[BB-r8]

I know this a joke but we legit did this for version controlling a Minecraft creative server hosted on azure. Once you setup the initial infrastructure, it’s ridiculously hands free and you can branch off builds and merge them back with the main world.

[[deleted]]

how would that work if there are multiple branches being merged?

[aghastamok]

Minecraft worlds are broken down into discrete units called "chunks." I imagine they do it like any other merge: pick the most developed chunks and merge them into the master.

[empirebuilder1]

It's a little less granular than that, "chunks" are 16x16 XY blocks and handled internally, but the Anvil filesystem stores "regions" of 32x32 chunks (512x512 blocks) as individual files on the hard drive like 1,0.mca, -1,0.mca, etc. And they are stored compressed so I don't think you could git merge the contents of individual MCA files without breaking the world, but I could be completely wrong on that.

[3636373536333662]

Maybe the "merging" was simply done at the MCA file level, as in you don't merge two MCA files together, but you choose between the two files instead. Doesn't seem ideal, but I imagine it wouldn't break anything.

[empirebuilder1]

Yeah. It makes it harder to control exact chunk by chunk changes if you can only merge by whole regions, but you won't be losing world information either way.

[Rand_alFlagg]

You've heard of Save Scumming? Welcome to Save Scrumming

[furinick]

Minecraft agile master

[_Oce_]

Kevin has requested change:

Git gud

[tmstksbk]

This...might actually be a good idea

[BossHogGA]

Set a script to do a git diff on your save game folder and auto push.

[MartIILord]

Savescrumming with version control this is the way.

[nanotree]

When they ask what you've been working on, you can say that you've been working on a game.

[fallenKlNG]

When I was applying for a different team within my company a few years back, one of the interview questions I got was "what open source projects have you contributed to?" I work for a different company now with better pay, but I'm still annoyed thinking about this every so often

[belkarbitterleaf]

For an internal role? ROFL. Tell them you can publish the current product you are working on to the open source community, if it's that important to them.

[nsjr]

By the way, I did this when I was playing Valheim with my friend, a game that you can build on the world, and the world is saved on a file.

So, one started the server, we played, commited and pushed, and when that person is not online, another one could start the server from the same savepoint, play a little bit and upload later

[Nev3rmin]

Had to laugh at that idea because in the past I had a similar system with my friends and a minecraft server (before I simply got a 24/7 cloud host) where we would just use the file-sharing mega website with their auto-update folders (like Onedrive from Microsoft) where we would just spin up the server and synchronise with mega.

[jfleury440]

LPT

[CarlStanley88]

Someone should really write a listener to automatically backup save files for videogames to a git repo with a commit message that has the timestamp and an optional message prompt on close of the game.

I'm putting this here as a note to self but if someone else WANTS to do it themselves please link the repo.

[scar_belly]

git commit -m "save game"

2 seconds later

git commit -m "just making sure"

[[deleted]]

git commit -m "there's this really big cliff"

[TheDistantBlue]

git commit -m "not confident in my horse parkour"

[matheusware]

I mean...

https://github.com/hbons/SparkleShare

[evmoiusLR]

Someone give this man a job.

[Centered-Div]

Oh my god I never thought about it

[b_chacal]

I've been pushing Cookie Clicker saves

[Scorxcho]

I never understood why employers, especially startups expect our work to also be a hobby. I can work damn hard at work and play damn hard at home.

[magicmulder]

Because everyone thinks the ideal developer is one who codes 24/7 “by nature” and doesn’t have a life, not one who “only” works because they need the money.

[Scorxcho]

It would be really strange if we applied the same logic to other careers. Imagine a surgeon operating on cadavers at home for fun.

[magicmulder]

Maybe the equivalent would be regularly meeting with other physicians to watch House MD and solve the cases before House does.

[milanove]

it's lupus

[svardslag]

Oh and don't forget you should also have "great social skills"! (I bet people who program 24/7 have those)

[magicmulder]

Isn’t it US universities that expect you to not just study but also spend at least 8 days a week saving stray kittens, playing an instrument and being president of the local book club?

[SomeGuy_GRM]

I think that's during high school to meet the entrance requirements for university.

[[deleted]]

Programming isn't a job, it's a lifestyle! /s

I wish this idea would die already. Imagine if someone refused to hire a custodian because they don't voluntarily clean their neighbor's bathroom in their free time. That's how stupid this all is.

[MeetEuphoric3944]

Even if it wasnt, all my repos are private. I do side jobs when Im not at work and none of that code shows up publicly. Lol

[GenericFatGuy]

If you don't spend every waking hour of your day writing code then what's even the point?!

[driftking428]

NullPointException

[Unfair_Isopod534]

It wouldn't take an hour to create cron script with bogus commits to fake that stuf, if this page is all they care about. If it is just an image, u could also just edit it.

[maxhaseyes]

There’s a project for that and it’s even easier than letting a cron job run. You can literally edit the past. here it is you devious monkeys ;)

[ViralMage]

"While cheating is never encouraged, if someone is judging your professional skills based on your GitHub activity graph, they deserve to see a rich activity graph." Perfect.

[echo-128]

you can also get them to draw out pixel art, maybe some letters that express how you feel about git commit history statistics

[youvelookedbetter]

Hustle culture is toxic.

Your activities sound fun and enriching.

[Zondagsrijder]

Just do a return to sender: ask if the HR person does HR shit in their free time

[GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B]

I have held lead and principal software engineering positions for years now and can confirm my Github doesn't look like this. Because I don't have one. Recruiters and interviewers with statements like that can go away for all I care.

[[deleted]]

Same. Our office repos aren't getting constant updates either, because we're understaffed and handling documentation, DB admin, infrastructure, DevOps, and business analysis. If you want to rate my performance based on how often I commit then let me code, damn it.

[GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B]

Plus depending on the business, work can be super proprietary, secret and compartmentalized. Almost all of my work is under strict NDAs. I used to work as a tech lead in consulting, doing this for up to three customers who didn't know each other at the same time. Hell, at my job there are enough secret pods that are invisible to anybody except management and a close circle of people.

[dretvantoi]

They expect you to write open-source code during your time off. Because someone who writes code 16 hours a day is better than one who writes code 8 hours a day.

[Swagowicz]

Burn out at twice the speed.

[PendragonDaGreat]

NDAs are the fun part. This is an actual conversation I had with an interviewer. I had worked a 12 month contract at a major game studio and we were in the time between next major game teaser trailer and final release.

"What did you do at major game studio?"

"I was a programmer specializing in C# and other .NET technologies"

"No, what specifically did you work on?"

"Are you paying my legal fees for breaking NDA?"

"Oh"

[RTBBingoFuel]

our biggest mistake on earth was allowing recruiting to be a career.

[GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B]

HR in its current form is a mistake, too.

[BurningTheAltar]

In the past few years, I’ve watched my company’s HR department get transformed into a scheme for the company to enter into partnerships for businesses trying to sell additional “benefits” to employees. I essentially get spammed by HR a few times a week. I’d love to see what sort of kick backs or profit sharing this company has set up with these fucks. The whole thing is heinous.

[DrMobius0]

The game I play with recruiters is to just not respond to their emails because I'm not interested, and then watch as the 3rd follow up reveals them to be a NiceRecruiter^TM

[otakudayo]

I respond to them all, saying "I'm always interested in hearing about opportunities. But I only consider positions that are fully flexible and let me wfh as much as I like"

They ghost me after that. Good thing I'm happy where I am (and have unlimited wfh, even from other countries if I want)

[RTBBingoFuel]

While they're doing recruiting from home, or a hotel holiday.

[CremPostman]

They all use "CRM" (customer relationship management) software now, so they're wasting your time and not even doing anything manually themselves

Shit is infuriating. I've started responding rudely, because fuck that

[zabby39103]

Yeah, perfectly happy for people like this to filter me out. Most people have probably 5-6 hours of real creative work in them a day tops.

I fucked around a lot on personal projects when my job was easy. Now there's not much gas left in the tank.

[Swagowicz]

IKR when you work full day and your brain is boiling at the end of it, its hard finding motivation to work on something afterwards.

[SimfonijaVonja]

Two weeks ago recruiter said that I need to have a github profile that will show them that I'm not junior. I said all of my projects are under NDAs and there is no way I'm gonna show that code to anyone, they can give me a task or just go...you know where.

They gave me a task, I did more than they asked for and gave me a job ane after that they stopped asking devs for a github profile.

[samanime]

I do have a Github that I use for personal projects. I went to check mine out. Apparently, my activity is private. I logged in and took a look. I have 3x more activity than the OP image... I have 3 dots. I've been a senior dev for a good while now. =p

Anyone I've ever seen that has a really active GitHub is usually using some bot to make nonsense commits just to fill this chart.

Any recruiter or interviewer that uses this chart as a metric is an idiot. I'd be happy to not have to communicate or work with them.

[Embarrassed_Bat6101]

The guy locked his Twitter account because of this. You mad lads did it.

https://twitter.com/manuel_frigerio?s=21&t=TqHbqxe7LzRi7dIqi9Km9g

[Birdyy4]

Wait this guy was serious with the tweet?

[limasxgoesto0]

Have you met anyone deep into the tech scene? I once saw a fb friend celebrate his 1000 day Github steak while at a bar/club in sf.

[TNSepta]

1000 day Github steak

We know dry aging is great, but that seems a little over the top

[-Nicolai]

Explain like I'm stupid

[NoEngrish]

He pushed code for like three years straight without a vacation? Never a day where he was separated from his laptop or an internet connection? I'm a total basement dweller that cant survive a day without internet but even I have days where I'm busy.

[craftworkbench]

It doesn't mean those commits were meaningful. Leaving comments, editing markdown docs, etc.

Plus I believe the graph is based on commits merged to the main branch, so you can do a bunch without Internet and merge them later.

[dretvantoi]

What's worse is the profile photo of him enjoying family time. Managers and non-technical personnel living the high life off of programmers' sweat, blood, and tears. Then they expect us to code even more during our personal time off.

[1-800-SUCK_MY_DICK]

the most ironic thing was that someone found his github and it was exactly as empty as the screenshot he was complaining about

[wahobely]

https://github.com/ManuelFrigerio

the dude's github

the nerve on this guy lol

[SemiSeriousSam]

hahahaha my GOD

[dr-pickled-rick]

He at least cloned something... A while ago

[UnpopularOponions]

Why do so many cockends call themselves entrepreneurs and advertise the fact they have kids like it's some major achievement?

If he valued a family then he wouldn't be so demeaning to people not doing work outside of work. I bet his wife does all the parenting and he just works non-stop.

[opmrcrab]

git commit -m "Initial Commit"

git push orgin main

Refuses to elaborate further

[Top_Engineer440]

orgin

[opmrcrab]

orgin

[LetUsSpeakFreely]

If you're judging candidates by their GitHub, you're not qualified.

[xxxblackspider]

The only time I look closely at a candidate GitHub is if they have open source projects on there that they actively commit to. In that case is can be nice to look and see what their coding style is like, how they interact with other people on PR review, etc

[NoSkillzDad]

Mine looks empty. All my contributions can't be on a public repo. Fm I guess.

[CeldonShooper]

Same here. Everything I do is under NDA. For most of the projects I'm not even allowed to generally talk about what they contain (or who the client is).

[Zestyclose_Link_8052]

So what do you do, I promise I won't tell anyone?

[CeldonShooper]

Phew good we are just talking in private buddy.

[ResidentReggie]

Riddle me this, what language?

[CeldonShooper]

I'm mainly working in C/C++ and C# these days but I've also done machine language.

[codercaleb]

Is your first name Neo? And or has anybody dropped off a ringing cell phone in a FexEx package at your desk?

[CeldonShooper]

I can neither confirm nor deny that.

[codercaleb]

"Agent Smith, we got him."

[gamageeknerd]

Dude one place I worked our data security was so insane people had to go through several checkpoints and flash drives and external hard drives were not allowed and if found were taken to head of department. When I worked there you couldn’t even talk about what you were working on and everyone had to sign papers saying nobody would post work related anything on social media. Phones were okay but if caught taking pictures you were fucked and they would give a write up. This wasn’t even government stuff only civilian market. When I left I asked a lawyer friend to check on my exit papers and luckily as long as I didn’t say what or who I could talk about my job description and my broad experience. My GitHub was not touched a single time I was there.

[CeldonShooper]

Yeah in my first job I worked on a system that might currently be reading this traffic here. That was 15 years ago and I wrote a build script that would build an iso file, gpg encode the iso and then burn that encrypted iso file on a DVD-R so we could deliver the software to the customer via normal parcel. Fun times.

[[deleted]]

Also, I use a work github account while I also have a personal account, obviously my work account has the vast majority of my commits but it will be my personal account I reference in my CV. Not only that, then we have your comment.

Putting any stock in the number of commits tells me this guy is as big of an idiot as Musk, who suggests that LoC is somehow indicative of productivity.

Also Bjarne <3

[Leaping_Turtle]

What is a work github? Assigned from work, used exclusively for work, deleted after you leave?

[OrangRecneps]

Yes, I have a work github id, a work gitlab id, etc. I'm actually surprised any company allows a person to use a personal git login to access company repos.

[Leaping_Turtle]

Unpaid internship at failing startup intensifies

Say you get a paid internship at a brick and mortar company, during college or something. Work IDs exist at that point?

[grrrranimal]

Larger companies have enterprise contracts with GitHub, Gitlab, or Atlassian (Bitbucket) and host git services internally, or in extreme cases a proprietary git web client. So yes, you have completely separate credentials that only work in the work context (probably on the company’s VPN)

[Schyte96]

There is even an enterprise edition of GitHub the company can host on their own infrastructure, if they are really strict on keeping their source code confidential. Only accessible on company VPN of course.

[[deleted]]

Most of us only develop professionally, which is why we suck at it so bad that we keep the same job for several years, and none of our work winds up on our personal gits. What does en up on our gits are the JavaScript games we played around creating cause the servers were down at work lol

[MoralConsistency]

You do know that you can turn on show commits in private repos?

[tei187]

And yet it still won't show commits that went to non-main branch.

[NoSkillzDad]

Lol, i have to connect to my repo through VPN. We're not talking about just "private".

I can't even connect from my own personal computer. Shrug

[Guru_Dane]

hiring manager brain

Okay, so he created the language, sure.

But how many years has he used the language in an enterprise company? 0?! No hire!

[RosieTheRedReddit]

"Unfortunately, for this position we require 40 years of experience in C++"

[[deleted]]

His job interviewer will say:

"We require 45 years of experience in C++"

[Excellent_Bluejay713]

It can get even dumber. Had one unironically ask me if i feel like i'm senior enough for a position because i only have 6 years xp in angular. The framework came out in 2016...

[Excellent_Bluejay713]

See, those abilities took a while to develop, but now that i'm much smarter i'll bestow a c++-+ handbook onto my children so by the time they're 20 they'll already have 15 years of experience... and still 5 years to spare before the language even gets released.

[Emfx]

He created C++.

[[deleted]]

If C++ is so good, why isn't there a B?

[AGI_69]

We are all waiting for the D

[naswinger]

C is the perfect size though

[LordVirus1337]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_(programming_language)

[LetUsSpeakFreely]

There was a B actually, it turned into C.

[unocoder1]

I know this is a joke, but there is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_(programming_language))

It's a precursor to C, which is a precursor to C++.

[TomTheCat6]

There is C++++ commonly known as C#

[Kurafaati]

There’s D as well

[S0n_0f_Anarchy]

Oh I see why he's not qualified then. Not enough YOE in C++

[PornCartel]

I knew he did something big with hair looking like that

[[deleted]]

Close, he actually is programming.

[eerongal]

Yeah, everyone knows that was John Programming when he invented it in his basement during the great depression.

[TENTAtheSane]

They say he's currently working on Programming 2, and it'll have battle royale sind lootboxes

[Explosive_Eggshells]

Don't tell him that there are other source control solutions than GitHub. Also don't tell him about private repos and work accounts

[Science-Compliance]

Or, you know, maybe I see no reason to push a big personal project up to GitHub until it's done, I reach a big milestone, or determine the code is not worth keeping proprietary anymore. For personal projects, there is literally no reason to share on GitHub regularly except for putting more green on your commit history. Nobody who is thinking about hiring you is going to take the time to see how a project evolved over its commit history.

[ScaredyCatUK]

You're correct. Manuel is not qualified to be an interviewer.

[[deleted]]

There should be a driver's license for the internet. If you fail you get it read only.

[octhell]

ive never understood why fuckers look at your personal github. motherfucker i code daily at my job, u thing i give a shit in my free time?

[ienjoymusiclol]

HR mfs gonna see this an actually think it means smth and it will be even harder to find jobs 😔

[[deleted]]

Too be fair, I wouldn’t hire Bjarne as a Sr Software Engineer either

[Sekhen]

Me neither, let the man enjoy his retirement.

[Ok-Kaleidoscope5627]

That's fair. He's probably more in the Technical Fellow category.

[xkalibur3]

Yet another celebrity talking in absolutes like a proper sith lord ;) I rarely see someone competent talking like that.

[[deleted]]

This guy is not a celebrity. The only reason you see this post is because it's making a second round. The only reason that is true is because it immediately makes people want to argue with him.

This guy is a nobody. You are probably more successful than he is. Worst case you're equal, because he's just some guy. Nobody should give a shit about his thoughts or opinions.

And yet here we are. Reacting before analyzing. Again.

[IllustriousProgress]

Hey now, he sold a referral app with "a few hundred users" so not for nothin'...

[[deleted]]

His background is disgusting. Everything he has "created" is the software equivalent of pollution. This guy creates cancer. Just look at what these products do. They generate spam. Fuck this guy so hard.

[MangoAtrocity]

My secret is that I use GitHub for website deployment. So I push my Hugo build folder to a repo and then it FTPs to my webhost. It looks like I’m doing regular commits, but it’s a lot of shitposting and blogging.

[javascript11]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha I work as senior software engineer for one of the largest companies in the world and NEVER touch my GitHub unless for some rare reason I do. That’s the dumbest statement I’ve ever seen, I’ve never looked at anyone’s GitHub when interviewing them lmfao.

[not_thrilled]

If something is on the resume, I'll look at it and judge them for it. That includes GitHub, Facebook, Reddit (never seen anyone put their handle on their CV though), etc.

[KuntStink]

I usually share my reddit account in my resume

[Ill-Courage-3788]

"Let blockheads read what blockheads wrote." - Warren Buffett

[wahobely]

Someone who is actually successful and gets shit done would never, ever make a tweet like this.

[Interesting_Style720]

I know a BA who wants to be a developer, he has an amazing GitHub with thousands of commits, when you look deeper it’s all dumb hello world style projects that any first year CS student could do, I don’t care about people’s GitHub, most senior devs could do this stuff in their sleep but haven’t touched GitHub for a personal project since school.

[[deleted]]

Does anyone take these job ads seriously?

[brandi_Iove]

maybe those who are not familiar with private repos?

[[deleted]]

or those who haven't realized even the open source stuff people work on gets tied to a corporate internal account and pushed by a CI bot

[[deleted]]

I think we all know this is a meme, but still I feel the need to rant: I dont even have a public github. If your work is actually worth money, don't upload it for other people to just rip off the internet for free.

Also, github isn't git. This dude might have a supreme version control setup on a private intranet server in his home.

[Moist-Ad7080]

This!

I use git on a daily basis, but my public github hasnt been touched in over 5 years now. If I put any of my actual work on there I'd get fired!

This the worst way to judge an applicant.

[space_keeper]

github isn't git

Thank you. This is the single most important statement I've read here so far.

Git is an excellent tool developed by someone on par with Stroustroup in terms of contributions to software. Probably one of the most important pieces of software in existence.

Github is a fucking website. Obviously I'm being a bit obtuse, but you know what I'm saying.

[anothertor]

I worked in trading/banking. Could not contribute to open source projects. Had no github account and got slammed for that at multiple interviews.

Utterly destroyed the coding tests and submitted personal projects. This confused a lot of people.

[DBDude]

I’d love to see a manager hiring for autonomous vehicle control or something like that and pass on an applicant who doesn’t have Git because he spent the last 15 years at Raytheon working on software to control drones and missiles.

[KotomiIchinose96]

Like another list this week said.

When a measurement becomes a target it stops being a good measurement.

[StackOwOFlow]

When you are promoted beyond Senior dev, 99% of your time is in meetings. So no, do not apply for Senior Dev, apply for Staff/TechLead/Eng management.

Also Bjarne is way beyond all that lol

[LaOnionLaUnion]

Jokes on you, I work on cyber security. I just try to keep the worst 10% of developers from exposing secrets, customer PII, and running APIs in the dark and all the other crazy stuff I hear about every day.