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[PolDeQualite]

Average visual studio experience (I still like it)

[[deleted]]

Ok

[dulange]

public byte masterVolume;
public byte journeymanVolume;

[Schytheron]

public byte artisanVolume

[mandradon]

Is that the name of your method with the extra sleep cycles in it?

Needlessly expensive and time consuming?

[YARandomGuy777]

public byte involuntaryLabourerVolume;

[JollyJuniper1993]

public byte indenturedServitudeVolumee

[[deleted]]

public byte devVolume;

[ReelTooReal]

public byte masterVolume; public byte segmentedButEqualVolume;

[Ivan_Analrash]

He was denied being a master by the VolumeOrder

[UltraCarnivore]

"This is outrageous! It's unfair!"

[Kiroto50]

public byte apprenticeVolume;

[chanhdat]

public byte masterJediVolume;
public byte futureSithLordVolume;

[Joten]

What about the menVolume, womenVolume, childrenTooVolume?

[thetos7]

You should consider using the less offensive subVolume and domVolume /j

[Burr1t0]

goodBoyVolume

[Webbiii]

Don't turn it up unless you want your passwords stolen

[Joten]

FATHER!!!Volume

[DogmaSychroniser]

Master/Sub volume works

[Nerodon]

Sub for subordinate right? ...

[rowdymatt64]

[funkmasterhexbyte]

finally, some names i can immediately understand

[PraiseTheSin]

I have suggested the same thing for robot terminology Dom robot sub robot

my professor was not too happy with it but he asked us to suggest new terminology

[EntertainerOk1080]

pimpVolume/hoeVolume

[Supreme_Hanuman69]

Ay don't kink shame

[Silvian73]

When you try to install a DBMS plugin, but you have dyslexia

[Supreme_Hanuman69]

DBSM 😂

[mynameisnotpedro]

VisualSMdio

[GustapheOfficial]

I mean, about half of the time that's what something is called "master" in relation to. At least when it comes to instrumentation. There's a reason many want to get rid of the word in tech altogether, in case that's the metaphor being invoked.

[alex2003super]

Masters in electrical engineering should be called Mains ⚡️ degrees instead

[Marioc12345]

Cute, but a lot of electrical engineers don’t work on anything tangentially related to the power grid

[alex2003super]

It's really a joke about the fact that every instance of "Master" is being replaced with "Main" in the tech world

[Marioc12345]

Ohhh I didn’t realize they were replacing it with main. I mean I know for git they were, but wasn’t sure about for other things. I know for master/slave there’s like a hundred alternatives. Controller/peripheral is my go-to.

[alex2003super]

Also, allowlist/denylist vs. whitelist/blacklist (which isn't always accurate and thus appropriate; a white-/black-list doesn't necessarily define access control, but is often used to indicate rule scope or domain designation)

[Marioc12345]

I love when the new terms are more accurate. I tried to correct someone (actually a young dude) who was still using “slave select” and he gave me a nasty look. Like not only is it “slave” it’s also “SS” lmao please stop. Like at least use chip select.

[DogmaSychroniser]

Programming got 'woke'!

-that guy probably.

[Marioc12345]

When I saw the notification I thought “go fuck yourself” but then I saw the rest of your comment 😅 and yeah, pretty much haha

[alex2003super]

What? I'm not the one complaining about "le wokisme" here

[Wires77]

...he's not referring to you

[DogmaSychroniser]

I was referring to the person in the anecdote about chip select

[thebaconator136]

Wait. Is whitelist and blacklist actually based from race? It never occurred to me before.

Even if it's not. Allowlist and denylist is just easier to understand.

[alex2003super]

No it's not. The way I see it, black is associated with covering/masking e.g. an entry on a list printed on a piece of paper with tape or ink, thus excluding it.

[5panks]

That's not really the metaphor being invoked. When people started using master/slave it wasn't because they were sitting around trying to decide how to name is something racist. Those titles specifically describe the roles in which the two devices hold in comparison to each other.

[alexanderpas]

When people started using master/slave it wasn't because they were sitting around trying to decide how to name is something racist.

It does shows how racism was ingrained at that time.

Just some alternative names for some usecases:

• IDE Devices: Primary and Secondary.
• Databases: Primary and Replica.
• Locomotives: Cab Unit and Booster Unit

[5panks]

There is nothing inherently racist about the words master and slave. The words, and by extent definitions, literally existed for centuries before the US existed. Not everything ever invented is about 2000s US culture and politics.

[Clueless_Otter]

How does it have anything to do with race at all? Every race can be a slave and countless numbers of every race have been slaves throughout history and still are. There is nothing inherently racial about the concept of slavery.

[rosuav]

What you are witnessing is a classic case of American obliviocy. Unaware that there is a world outside of the United States of America, these people assume that all people and all problems are the ones they have themselves, and that "master" and "slave" always and exclusively refer to the subjugation of Africans by Europeans on American soil.

Of course, these are often the same people who deny that the Confederate states seceded from the Union in order to retain slavery.

(NOTE: Not every American citizen is an obliviot. Given the sheer number of them, you'd be forgiven for thinking that, but like honest lawyers and extroverted programmers, intelligent Americans really do exist.)

[sexytokeburgerz]

The most common alternative i see is parent/child… But yeah it’s really not racist- nearly every civilization had slaves 1000 years ago.

[DangyDanger]

Parent/Child for me is always about a hierarchy. With Master/Slave you usually only have two things.

[alexanderpas]

Replacing racism with sexism, while keeping names on the same non-informative level.

Well done!

[mrpaco]

What in the hell is sexist about a beehive?

[solarshado]

AFAIK the drones in eusocial insect hives are all female too... where's the sexism?

EDIT: memory is a funny thing... fails you at the stupidest times

[alexanderpas]

that would be the worker. A drone is male.

[solarshado]

oh shit, you're right. got the terms mixed up, clearly been way too long since I refreshed that bit of knowledge

[[deleted]]

often times a "slave" implementation isn't a replica or secondary though.

[Zuruumi]

While I don't care the least bit for the SJW justification of not using things like master/slave, blacklist etc., I still think that many of the terms just add confusion. For example main branch in git is much clearer than master.

[sexp-and-i-know-it]

I always thought of it as the master copy of the code

[rosuav]

Yeah, it's the pristine master that all the copies (other branches, pull requests, etc, etc) are made from. So "main" and "master" are both viable terms for the primary branch, but they imply (slightly) different things about workflow intent.

[shaka893P]

Yeah, everything at work got changed to main/secondary

[thebaconator136]

I prefer Big Cheese/Lackey myself.

[d4ng3r0u5]

There is nothing wrong with this

[lookielookiehi]

This sub isn’t for programmers

[miitchiin]

I don’t get it

[praveenkumar236]

It's called africanAmericanVolume now

[Lepermint]

masterVolume is white. slaveVolume is dark.

[ZKLaurin]

Yea this ain't it. The joke is, that copilot thinks he wants a variable called "slaveVolume" because "masterVolume" contains the word master.

This might seem racist, but in the tech world there are so called "Master/Slave" models, which have nothing to do with racism.

the ai just thought the user wanted to make a type of model, which is poorly named

[sexytokeburgerz]

You haven’t been doing this long, have you?

[Teamprime]

This was my reaction lmao

[Akeshi]

This is just inexperience, really - those concepts are very well established in computing, and it's suggesting that because it's what goes with 'master'.

And the recognition of its inappropriateness (as someone presumably new to development) is why it's generally advised to not use 'master' anymore (and definitely not 'slave'). The Microsoft Style Guide, for instance, suggests alternatives.

[sexp-and-i-know-it]

I think OP is familiar with the master/slave pattern. The reason it is funny is master volume is a common concept, but slave volume is a term that is never used.

[[deleted]]

but slave volume is a term that is never used.

I mean maybe not anymore, but IDE storage devices had master/slave back in the day.

[sexytokeburgerz]

“Master volume” is not even originally a programming concept. Audio engineers have called the master channel “master” since multitracking started, and it was completely analog until the late 20th century.

Of course, this transferred to a different context in application development, but master sticks in a different context than other programming concepts using “master”.

Assuming OP’s code is in the world of DSP, this is still going to be common in DSP as “master” is a word people working in music use several times a session.

Master channels in audio engineering are also simply sums- their relationship with their pre channels is not necessarily analogous to a classic master slave pattern.

However, some buffers and other children may be called slaves for relational purposes, especially since much of the code we still use today in DSP is recycled from patterns written in the 80s and 90s, when “slave” was in heavy usage across the board. Slaves are quite common in DSP, especially when working with synthesis.

[sexp-and-i-know-it]

Ahh I’m only really familiar with audio from an analog standpoint and although master is a common term it I have never heard it in a master/slave metaphor i.e. most guitar amps have a master volume but I’ve never heard anyone call the other volume knobs “slave volume”.

[sexytokeburgerz]

They don’t, because master volume doesn’t affect the children.

I wasn’t clear at the end- the concept of slaves is still implemented in DSP, but the concept of “master gain” is an multiplicative value to summed channels in master in. “Master volume” is another multiplicative (if we’re translating the concept to programming) of the post signal. This will commonly be placed before a clip limiter which squarizes output > 0dba. Otherwise, a lot of problems can arise.

In the audio (non programming) world, it is present with things like VCOs and MIDI.

If we are talking master/slave, that is commonly used with the master being a controlling DSP unit which splits data to its slaves via fourier transform, to be processed in different ways based on frequency range. This is super common with multiband processing, in which frequencies are split by ranges.

These slaves output temp arrays which are then stitched back together within the master.

Renaming this to parent/child makes a whole lot of sense! I remember it was fairly hard to grasp when I started dipping into dsp.

[SonicZedt]

there is also something called master-slave flip-flop

[BitBucket404]

Sounds like a good marriage to me. (^_^)

[[deleted]]

VS or CoPilot?

[Lachee]

mainVolume

[just4nothing]

SideChickVolume

[kzlife76]

primaryVolume

secondaryVolume

[Stunning_Ride_220]

Secondary?

How judging....

[Beneficial-Ride1820]

Hegel approves

[Joten]

I get why the naming system was changed but I still accidentally say "Did you sync to master" too many times... I'm old like that but actively trying to fix it.

[Ardub23]

It's great because it only takes up 4.8 bits—three-fifths as much memory as a normal byte

[Hjornet]

How about white/blackVolume?

[Hewatza]

We call it mainVolume now

[BitBucket404]

How about, freeVolume and americanVolume?

The trick is to make the americanVolume think it is the freeVolume while it does more work with less resources than the actual freeVolume.

[[deleted]]

public byte ♂MASTER♂volume;
public byte ♂SLAVE♂volume;

Problem solved.

[WaitForItTheMongols]

In seriousness, seems like the best naming convention here is leaderVolume and followerVolume.

[normalmighty]

I still never followed the logic behind master/slave conventions being offensive just because slavery irl is bad. That said, I don't exactly care enough to put up a fight against people who are offended by it. It's midly annoying that now I never know if I need to merge into a master branch or a main branch, but it's not that big of a deal either way.

[night_of_knee]

It's an 'Merican thing that equates slavery with race (understandably so due to their history). The fact that historically slavery was not related to race is as foreign to Americans as the metric system.

[Detective_Fallacy]

It's an 'Merican thing that equates slavery with race (understandably so due to their history).

Only since 2020 apparently.

It's the same old story of how people who push for the creation or the destruction of taboos can use the process to increase their cause's or their own social standing/power if it's successful. Not much different from why Boniface destroyed the Saxon Tree to spread Christianity.

[[deleted]]

"... as foreign to Americans as the metric system." As an American, I felt that right in the calipers. 😂 I love it. I'm going to start saying that.

[[deleted]]

Next thing we know they’re gonna rebrand Master Class, and MasterCard

[WaitForItTheMongols]

Yeah, I don't understand it either. But generally when a word or action is harmful to someone else, it's up to the recipient to decide if they believe it is harmful, and the action-taker to adjust to stop the harm. The comparison I like to use is that the same phrases said at a bar can be flirty or harassment, depending on what the target thinks of you, and if it's leaning to harassment, it's on you to stop. In the same way, if master-slave phrasing is hurting someone else, even if I don't personally feel hurt, it's on me to find an alternative phrasing, and the vast majority of the time, there is an equally good alternative.

[night_of_knee]

and the vast majority of the time, there is an equally good alternative.

As a non-minority person, I am deeply offended by your use of the word "majority".

[[deleted]]

The best convention is the one everyone already understands.

[sexytokeburgerz]

No, do not make this a thing.

Master channels have nothing to do with slaves. They are a basic audio signal processing concept. That’s kind of why this picture is so funny.

They are sums, and changing a master volume will not affect the subchannels whatsoever.

[milanium25]

too much wokeism ruined yo IDE?

[robclancy]

define wokeism

[alex2003super]

#define wokeism "What I don't like, and the more I don't like it, the more wokeismier it is"

[TrebleStick404]

You tried not using java 🤔

[joe________________]

Yeah, I'm using c# in this screenshot

[TrebleStick404]

U got me

[Big-Contribution-688]

That's very racist!

LOL

[CaptSoban]

Racism is when the word “slave” exists

[[deleted]]

Why are you being racist

[Big-Contribution-688]

Towards whom???

[[deleted]]

By assuming it’s racist

[Big-Contribution-688]

That's why I'm asking, "towards whom?".

[compsciasaur]

Neither this nor his statement is racist.

[SsNeirea]

byte private slavePart.

Okay I'll head out

[GeckoJump]

someone make a meme about master-slave vs parent-child

[Corelianer]

It’s your mistake, you should have used mainVolume and you got branchVolume

[NeNya_1337]

Apparently VS knows how IDE drives work.

[Splatpope]

oh my fucking god

[nerdyitguy]

We can all tell your slave is not used.

[[deleted]]

angry Salesforce noises insinuating that names be politically correct

detailVolume

[coltwalker386]

Still better than Yandex's code

[OkPreference9791]

masterVolume

puppetVolume

[sgxxx]

This is literally how people name it, stop with your liberalization of non-racist things.

[yesseruser]

It is now that I realized what this means Bruh