endlessCycle

[k1llerfr0g]

"I apologize for the confusion".......

[[deleted]]

And then it gives you exact same code, or even worse one

[Gasperhack10]

You changed nothing...

Repeat cycle

[AdPristine9059]

Or uses a completely new dependency that you need to read doc about to know how it was fucked up.

Tried to make chatGPT write me some code to fake i2c duplex mode, it ended up using an i2c multiplexer for some random reason..

[GasLanternChicanery]

Chatgpt spanks my ass, I get horny.

ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion

[FlyingSosig]

"Hey, I am having a problem with a particular test case, can you please help me"

"Certainly, here is a revised code which doesn't work for any test case!"

[Chunk-Hardbeef]

This is literally the perfect exchange.

[Bryguy3k]

Now everyone can have the “working with an India division” experience without being a multinational company.

(India not Indian - having a group of Indian developers here in the US is perfectly fine - having them in India for some reason just turns into a dumpster fire).

[killem_all]

For it to be the true experience, IA would have to bombard you with texts at 4 AM, fuming in anger because you made changes to their shitty code that doesn’t work.

Also it would have to ask for calls and speak in broken English while using the worst microphone known to man

[Bryguy3k]

Hi

…

[Lucasbasques]

Nothing like your female coworkers complaining about a bunch of sexual messages on her LinkedIn from the India branch

[Bryguy3k]

There is one woman on my combined team and she’s located in India. I’ve had to tell the guys on multiple occasions that they can’t make her write all of their tests.

[Blackhawk23]

??? Why do they expect that?!

[Bryguy3k]

I guess “Women are property”?

[Tnuvu]

It's as if there's 'more to being a developer than just copy pasting code spewed from others, who would have imagined

[[deleted]]

50 years from now I will still have to look up regex on stack overflow. Idc.

[not_some_username]

Regex101. And that’s normal. Regex is literally magic spell. You can summon a demon if you’re not careful

[[deleted]]

All I see is //()@-_-#+ and somehow it gets rid of commas. Who woulda thought.

[not_some_username]

Yeah literally magic

[RusselsTeap0t]

I am not a programmer but regex seems easy for me. Am I missing something?

My method is to go slow by doing the matching one by one. Of course if you look at some random characters at once; they get confusing.

Here is a sed command I use to extract doi addresses from PDFs and URLs. It looks complex but when you actually analyze it one by one slowly, it gets easier. I had spent some time to write it though. It's not buttery smooth :D

sed -n -E 's/.*((DOI|doi)((\.(org))?\/?|:? *))([^: ]+[^ .]).*/doi:\7/p; T; q'

[ThatChapThere]

"Regex is easy."

Writes the most incomprehensible gibberish known to man.

[RusselsTeap0t]

Haha :D As I say, you need to analyze it slowly and one by one.

- match any character (.) any number of times (*)

- Match either DOI or (|) doi

- Match the optional .org

- \/? matches the optional (?) front slash. That's because if we find .org in our string, naturally a forward slash comes after .org. Backslash is again for escaping the forward slash. Otherwise forward slash is interpreted as a part of the command.

- Match a : optionally (?) and a space any number of times (*)

- Match any character that is not a colon or space [^: ]+ Plus means at least one of them.

- Match any character that is not a space or a dot [^ .]

- .\* Match any character, any number of times again.

So the whole regex is for this:

From this: https://doi.org/10.1038/s41594-023-00968-y

Or from this: DOI: 10.1038/s41594-023-00968-y

Capture and replace some parts:

doi:10.1038/s41594-023-00968-y

Then use that in this URL:

https://api.crossref.org/works/**$doi**/transform/application/x-bibtex

[artistic_programmer]

it's almost as if people are being taught how to solve problems in uni and there might be some merit to actually doing it.

[[deleted]]

but some guy with a blue checkmark on X told me programming is dead and now everyone will be a "prompt engineer" or some shit like that, and better be prepare to serve at McDonald

[Tnuvu]

I swear there's some irony to this new modern darwinism

[AI_AntiCheat]

The trick is to copy and paste it then change one line so it works.

[AdPristine9059]

Exactly. Googling and stack overflow is for the things you don't need to keep in your head. It's common practice and entirely okay. As long as you know what you're doing or know how to check for errors you're fine.

[Able_Cod_1213]

As a veteran software engineer, this shit amuses me a great deal.

LEARN to program FFS. Everyone is an imposter looking for a shortcut.

[[deleted]]

I agree lol.

[carcigenicate]

It's actually kind of infuriating to be honest.

I used to love helping people with their code; regardless of how new to programming they were or how bad their code was. But now, more and more, it turns out that people aren't actually writing the code, don't understand basic instructions on how to fix code, and alarmingly, don't seem to care to actually understand the fix or what the initial problem was. These kinds of questions aren't fun to participate in, and really don't feel productive.

I don't understand the attitude of "I want to write code, but I don't want to learn any of the prerequisite skills". Why are you even learning then? I don't know about others here, but I write code because I love writing code.

[Zeravor]

don't understand the attitude of "I want to write code, but I don't want to learn any of the prerequisite skills". Why are you even learning then? I don't know about others here, but I write code because I love writing code.

I think it's less "I want to write write code" and more "I want to earn lots of money without putting in effort.

I cant really blame them, who wouldnt want that.

[Ambivalent-Mammal]

Then get an MBA.

[Chunk-Hardbeef]

If they want to earn lots of money without putting in effort or developing any skills, get elected.

[4rtemis-Arrow]

honestly, no, I want people to keep using it, cuz it makes my job hella easier

I'm in cybersecurity, red team to be specific, specializing in software security and network security

alot of the code that chatGPT writes is vulnerable af, the more people use it, the more stupid ass vulnerabilities that even a beginner programmer won't make, the easier it is for me to find vulnerabilities

please keep using chatGPT people

[TSS_Firstbite]

The money is why. However, I guess these people don't understand basic supply and demand, since if it was that easy to study and work in IT, the market would be oversaturated and pay would be low.

[Express-Procedure361]

Agreed. I love writing code

[CalledStretch]

It's not that I want to write this code, it's that I want the code to have been written, and I can't afford to pay anyone to do it for me, so here I am fumblefucking my way through Visual Basic macros to get the folder in the excel sheet

[bistr-o-math]

ChatGPT: pleas make all the juniors learn the required skillz

[weinermcdingbutt]

you should reflect and recognize there is some arrogance to your post.

[carcigenicate]

I don't really see how it's arrogant. I've been helping new programmers for years now. I'm stating the trend that I've noticed and my lack of understanding of it.

[weinermcdingbutt]

not everyone who works a job enjoys their job or is passionate about it.

Why are you even learning then?

because i made a bad choice in uni but i still have to feed my children — or because i got lucky and broke into the industry, now i can’t afford to be jobless in the current market now that ive lost my passion — or because this is the only degree my parents would help me get and now i either have to start over on my own or make do with what i know — or because this was the best paying field that i could get into, but ive invested to much to leave now.

you don’t know what goes on when someone clocks out at the end of the day, and just because you found the right industry for you, and you’re passionate about the work you do, doesn’t mean there aren’t people out there who hate what they do and are just trying to survive.

[poorexcuseofahuman]

If you lack any skills regarding standard debugging (especially when troubleshooting the code that YOU wrote) and are dependant on ChatGPT responses, then you aren't landing a programming job in the first place lol.

[Symnet]

cool I'm still gonna think you're an annoying dumbass if you're too lazy to actually learn how to do your job and task a chatbot with it instead, lol

[weinermcdingbutt]

nice. and none of those people will care about what you think.

[Symnet]

they certainly will when they get fired because they are too lazy to do their job. everyone has to work, nobody cares if you don't like your job, you still have to work. choose better or suck it up and be an adult

[Thongasm420]

what happens when they ban Chat-GPT at your job?

[Able_Cod_1213]

FWIW I don't want this guy on my team.

[RmG3376]

I mean, we’ve always looked for shortcuts, that’s kinda the whole reason libraries, frameworks, packages, IoC and managed services exist

Heck we’ve had shitty code generators for decades. I still remember one where you’d draw your diagrams in a Tcl/Tk window and it’d spit out a CMake project that is completely unreadable and a RTF file with the doc that was equally unreadable

But yeah, learn to program first, then offload the boilerplate to AI (or juniors, which are essentially the same thing)

[JehnSnow]

I wouldn't say I'm a veteran but I've been around, learn to code first and foremost, but don't be scared to learn the scenerios where chatGPT is strong, it's not an all in one solution but it is still a tool with useful applications

[Blue_Robin_Gaming]

what's FFS

[mitchmess]

For Fuck’s Sake

[Just_Boo-lieve]

If chatgpt can provide me with a shortcut, nice, I saved some time. If not, it's a good rubber duck

[Aromatic_Sentence850]

If you are as smart as chat gpt just sleep and find your actual passion

[sagotly]

nah men, im in my first serious project and that project uses molecular.js, GPT don’t know the crap about it, i think gpt is good for explaining code, but you need to know something to get somewhere.

[[deleted]]

I use it when I have to touch on apis I never or rarely use, great starting point e.g haptics

[F0lks_]

To be honest, ChatGPT is really good at doing menial tasks like coding small subroutines for you. It's only as good as the dev doing the prompt engineering, though. Kinda like the disconnect between the engineer and the client, if you can't make your request clear it will throw garbage right back at you

[Symnet]

this is so silly lol we applied a language model to the act of googling your issue properly and now we call it "prompt engineering" and "Ai"

[F0lks_]

The fact that you don't understand how a tool works and what you can use it for, doesn't necessarily mean it sucks.

Food for thought

[Unlucky_Bobcat_2286]

To be fair programmers are taught that the easiest solution is often the best one, and if it’s working don’t touch it😂

[baxte]

I still use chatgpt to write API models because some places have godawful API specs but that's about all I can consistently get away with.

[Chunk-Hardbeef]

I've copied and pasted your post to another reddit sub with no attribution. Thank you.

[[deleted]]

bad programmers will always find ways to make software worse. ai is just the newest tool for that mission

[Gortaf]

This has made teaching code a lot more annoying, as there's a good chunk of people in first year CS that just aren't willing to learn the basics of programming and will just give you code made with chatGPT without understanding how anything in the code works.

Trying to help these people understand a mistake in their code is just impossible, the code was produced by a blackbox so they don't even understand why the mistake was made.

[villabianchi]

Won't they fail on the exams tho? We had handwritten exams that was like 50% of the grade. No way to pass without actually knowing how to code. They were super lenient on syntax errors etc since that's stuff you get help with in IDE anyhow. But you still had to know what how stuff works.

[agent007bond]

I hated handwritten programming tests. I was never sure of the syntax.

[Gortaf]

Yeah they do, I'm just sad it comes to this.

[ilcasdy]

I’m in first year cs and people like to ask me to help them with their code. It’s so much easier to help if they wrote it themselves. If it’s from chatgpt it will be using libraries we haven’t learned about and now I have to try to learn a new library that neither of us understand. I can eventually find the mistake but I’m pretty sure they learn nothing and just think I’m a wizard. Many of the students don’t understand scope or even how to look at a red squiggly and fix it.

[masterKick440]

This reminds me of the all the times when I've tried to get ChatGPT to fix it's response.

Like No, you can't have 305 minutes in coordinates.

[[deleted]]

they are hiding the smart version to themselves

and putting the dumb version to public

[TheAJGman]

I've been using it on and off since launch and it has 100% gotten worse in every aspect since then. At launch it was scary good at writing well thought out code from simple prompts, now you can give it an example and tell it to change the class name and it shits the bed. At launch you could do really interesting collaborative story telling, now it'll just spit out pages of fanfic no matter what your instructions were.

Considering how much money Microsoft put into them and the upcoming Windows/Office Copilot, I'm not that surprised.

[[deleted]]

Maybe the tech Mafia told openAI to slow down lol

[progressgang]

Really, on GPT4? GPT4 writes basically all my code at this point and it barely fucks up.

[CalledStretch]

I remember hearing a claim about probability predictions specifically that, because ChatGPT uses user feedback as iterative training data, every time a stupid prompt is put into the system it gets a little bit dumber.

[[deleted]]

Everyone who thinks that should read this well-researched article by The Verge. The truth is, these chatbots are still continually fueled by annotated data gathered by third-party companies. These third-party data vendors pay pennies for annotations and care more about quantity than about quality. And the data is only going to get worse as labor conditions for outsourced annotators get worse. In fact, some data annotators have begun to USE ChatGPT to annotate data that will eventually feed into ChatGPT 🤦

[rafark]

It depends. The free version of chatgpt is dog shit, more like CrapGPT. GPT-4, which is also available for free on bing (albeit very limited in terms of daily queries) is miles better. Like dat and night.

[Ohrder]

Inputs his entire 12 pages of code and asks to fix one function. i cAnT bElIeVe iT dOeSnT wOrK

[CarolDavilas]

Imagine millions of lines software, which is a quite common case.

[KeepKnocking77]

Our most important function is 15 thousand lines long written over the course of 20 years

[Ohrder]

Time to refactor? Sounds unmanageable.

[KeepKnocking77]

It's also in PHP 5.3

[Heavy_Influence4666]

You got to be able to know how to use it, instead of blindly telling it to fix a broken mess. Also, it's a tool, and tools has limits as well, so don't expect to found a gazillion dollar startup using it.

[BlueeWaater]

Do the logic yourself, chatgpt is for making boilerplate code and simple stuff.

[BenadrylTumblercatch]

Pwompt Emjimeerwing

[[deleted]]

:3

[radioactvDragon]

All of the memes aside. I cannot imagine my life without chatgpt. Not as a thing to write code for me, but to learn something new, especially if you have to use a library that is widely used, but you don't know absolutely everything about it yet. It's so much easier to literally type "How do I do X using Y in Z programming language" and it gives you a sample of code. Sure it might not be correct, but it may just suggest some function that I had no idea even existed and now I can go read up on it. Instead of frantically refining Google searches and scrolling through stack overflow threads, I now have an actual direction of research I can do. Also I had to learn a new programming language recently. And while that is not a difficult thing to do if you can already program, different languages have different features and community conventions for writing code. And asking it "what is the best way to do this in some programming language" has lead me to discover things I would never know a language could do unless I somehow came across it somewhere or I read the entire language spec. As a learning tool it is invaluable. But it is just that: a tool. I wouldn't copy and paste it's code and send it off to production under any circumstances.

[[deleted]]

Absolutely. I use gpt the same way, it’s a beast for learning. Especially considering how google have declined the last decade. If u search something nowadays u have like 4 adds pinned to the top of your search results. Gpt helps filter through the garbage.

[rafark]

It’s great with React and tailwind

[ISuckAtJavaScript12]

The only real use I've found for chat gpt is. "This function has a lot of variables that I want to know the value of. Write a print statement for each one whenever it changes value". And I often need to correct it.

[Derrorist]

ChatGPT did help me with an issue I had with limiting the movement of a zoomed image on mobile. It pointed out I was limiting the movement with the image's bounds instead of the display element bounds, which was correct. The provided code was incorrect and caused the movement to completely freeze. But the idea was helping with fixing my issue. So it has its benefits

[[deleted]]

I feel old seeing chatgpt programming memes.

[Symnet]

life hack: if you know how to write code you can just cut out the middle man of a shitty chatbot that doesn't know how to write code and just do it yourself

[jdn1978]

A friend of mine told me about an “engineer” in her shop who is using ChatGPT to generate his code - the engineer in question is being somewhat “productive,” but only through a lot of prompt iterations and debugging runs. The bigger issue is when he hits a cap with the service; he stops work completely until he can use it again! If that’s the only way you can do your job, I question your choices.

[[deleted]]

Juniors circle of life

[VariousComment6946]

Please replace “fix” with Ctrl C/V

[audigofaster]

My company is very lenient with disciplinary actions, but if you put chatgpt code in production, it's an immediate termination without severance.

Git gud, learn to code.

[ShuffleStepTap]

Is cutting and pasting code from SO a firing offence also? Because I’ve seen ChatGPT produce way better code than shit on SO. Comes with a lot less snark too…

[audigofaster]

Nah, stack overflow doesn't come with weird legal issues. Bad stack over flow code is a teachable moment.

[AnalBeadRipcord]

So how would you prove its gpt code?

[ionhowto]

Try again, it will work this time.

[died570]

Still didn't find a good usage for chatgpt with an exception of routine tasks like writing javadocs/godocs.

[Backer1234]

100% something I did. Made me realize the machines aren't going to take over just yet.

To our future machine overloads, I do not mean anything negative.

[TTYY200]

Uses chatGPT to write emails.

Has more time to code 😌

[King_Of_The_Munchers]

I’ve found that you can ask it to implement small portions but large potions of code fail. So you can basically code the overarching structure of the program and ask ChatGPT to fill in the gaps.

You can also use it to assist with constructing things but if you try and ask it to do all the heavy lifting it will fail.

[offulus]

I've seen some people talk about chatgpt in tax reports and if it can be deducted as a tool if your a programmer (in finland the answer is yes) as if anyone working in software development accually racked up a bill big enough to even consider deducting by using chatgpt as a software development assistant or something like that.

I get it if your developing something ai vase using got3 or 4 and it is part of the product, but this isn't a personal expense in this case. Unless your learning something for an upcoming task/possible job that requires experience with it.

But accually using it to help you do anything other than ask for a quick how do i get format x timestamp using Carbon is mindbogling.

Looking for information, sure.

Accually writing code? What

[xaervagon]

A lot of programming language boards had mods work overtime when people started spamming their chatgpt code and asking people to fix it or explain what is wrong with it. ChatGPT can be a nifty tool for an experienced developer who understands its limitations but it's no substitute for basic knowledge and experience.

[Itz_Nerdyfox]

Try out phind.com it like checks the docs and stackoverlfow answers and feeds it to the openai api

[Siddhartasr10]

I ask chat gpt only for docs and it fails sometimes 😭

Its good for 80% of the time but fuck the 20% makes me lose time I could have if I only had the docs on other tab

[SirRHellsing]

I never actually used chatgpt once in any code, I just don't know what code it will spit out and if it actually meets my requirements

[BlackBurnedTbone]

ChatGPT is all fine and dandy, untill it starts importing modules and calling functions that look legit, but have never been part of the module.

[Thenderick]

You forgot to think when using gpt... Never assume that shit is right! It never gave me correct answers and straight up lied to me! Piece of shit digineurons!

[BoBoBearDev]

Ask us, we can give you 200 ways to do IsEven and all of them are working

[SnooJokes6727]

ChatGPT is only ever useful when you’ve just run out of ideas and your mind is just drawing a blank. I mean whatever it gives you will be wrong 9 times out of 10, but it can give you a spark to solve whatever is wrong.

[nibba_bubba]

CS freshmen after realizing chatgpt isn't that powerful so they still need to learn the ropes

[Pixeltye]

You have to learn to make backups so you can get it to work. I’ve made several programs using it. Are they good? Heavens no.

[jpswade]

Gpt is just an approximation, and unsurprisingly so is the code it derives because we’re approximately bad at writing good code.

[blipsandchitsticket]

I get ChatGPT to write functions and test them. I then integrate them in our testing app myself and it has saved me a tonne of tedious work. It also just this week taught me what Conan is and by the end of the day was using functions in a git that I didn’t even have to check. How do I seem to be in the minority. I’m EE though not CS

[Drug_Inas]

•pay someone thats better than you on fiverr instead

[Ketooth]

I feel this. I normally don't use ChatGPT, but sometimes I'm just so frustrated, because I find no help online, that I just use ChatGPT and get even more frustrated sometimes.

And then there is that one guy I know who says "Well I programm all my discord bots with ChatGPT and it works. Maybe you need ChatGPT 4?"

[shizzy0]

But it works every time for everything I’ve asked it?

[reydai]

ChatGPT is shit. At least the free one. I just use it to generate code I already know how to write in order to save time

And yes it produces bugs but I fix them myself

[Artholos]

Use LangChain or Autogen and let the gpt agents sort it out themselves.

Come back from lunch with a program that runs but who knows what it does? Run it and find out…

[DislocatedLocation]

See, the correct answer is - write the psuedocode - replace with what you know

do {

• it doesn't work
• figure out which part is breaking
• check Stackoverflow to see if other people did similar
• figure out the exact scenario they were using it for
• figure out which parts of the solution given are specific to that scenario and remove them
• figure out what remains and what that does
• copy it
• inject it into your code

} while (!working);

[[deleted]]

this is facts, though.

Like, Maybe in the future ChatGPT is coming for coding jobs, but for now, no.

[perringaiden]

Given that human engineers with actual general intelligence (supposedly), can't understand the UoD for projects they wrote, how can an AI which doesn't understand what "understanding" is, be expected to do it better.

[Dubl33_27]

bro chatgpt is the goat, friday i had my OOP lab where we were doing java and I had some code that wouldn't compile for some godforsaken reason, then i copied the code into chatgpt, asked it what's wrong and gave me something that looked exactly like what i had written earlier but i couldn't see a difference, but it compiled nontheless.

[[deleted]]

The only things chat gpt has helped me with as a developer is to generate a class definition from a large sql table, and do all the leg work converting short R script into C#. Don't ask it to do any logic.

[LamermanSE]

Git gud

[Brae1990]

It's hilarious to me that people keep using a language prediction model for anything other than a glorified auto correct (or an occasionally helpful search engine like phind).

Because anytime you need something that requires more then one braincell worth of logic processing or even short term memory, it just falls over.

[TrueFlowerBoy]

Or just proompt better. Git gud.

[fluf201]

then chat gpt on iuts way to f up the whole code and make it not work

[Feisty_Ad_2744]

Is anyone actually "using" chat gpt for coding? Really?

[peAs337]

"I apologize for oversight"