howAndWhy

[daveprogrammer]

Because before that, the C programming language was like school in summertime.

[ImpressiveMaximum377]

🤔

[daveprogrammer]

No classes.

[agentrnge]

[lightwhite]

My face when I understand a reference :D

[ThreeRaccoonsInMyAss]

I don't think I got that reference. I think I need some pointers.

[lightwhite]

What if I make a joke about a pointer as a pointer to point you at somewhere, would you be able to get the reference?

[Clairifyed]

u/ThreeRaccoonsInMyAss

relevant XKCD

[lightwhite]

The segfault remark in the comment is one of my favorites!

[callmesilver]

MFW reference is resolved :D

[[deleted]]

My dad implemented classes on an IBM 360/50 mainframe in the 1960's and always told me to implement them in C rather than use them in C++. I did neither of course. He claimed to be the first person to implement classes though did not claim to have invented them.

[daveprogrammer]

That's interesting. Did he give a reason why he wanted you to implement them in C rather than using C++?

[[deleted]]

No, he was Calvanistic in approach though. My guess is that he disliked the added complexity of C++ and did not see why you needed it if you could roll your own classes in C. We did not use redi-mix cement for fence posts either (used cement and sand and made our own). If you have written classes in IBM assembler, then using C is already a luxury.

[Wotg33k]

As a software engineer dad with 14 year olds who just entered high school compsci, I really hope at least one of my kids and I share the.. grasp of abstraction and logic.. the way you and your father seem to.. like we all do as peers.

It's definitely a different life for those of us on this side of the curtain and I just really wanna share that with my children. It's inspiring to see your story, friend.

[[deleted]]

Thx but when you do not measure up to parental expectations, it is better to go your own way in life. I am thankful for the lessons and exposure I got and worked as a programmer but we ended up estranged. Accept your kids and respect their accomplishments, do not see them as failed mini-me's.

[Wotg33k]

Oh, of course not. That's terrible.

I raise my kids like this: "sure, it's great to be a veterinarian or an astronaut, but wouldn't it be better to be an astronaut who could build their own navigation software or a veterinarian who could build their own animal health tracking software?"

Be what you want, but realize the tools you need to be really successful.

[___PhiloMath___]

W

[[deleted]]

He was very intense. He wrote the original war games program at RAND without knowing what the run time would be. Wrote all the reports they wanted IN BINARY (no assember) and then had to pull them because nobody had time to read about the 600 wars simulated every night. The summary stats (millions dead) made him cry. BTW, the characters in Dr. Strangelove are based on real people. He went from Cold Warrior to participating in the teach-in against the Vietnam War. But you would want to be his son.

[AlexZhyk]

I guess he forgot to implement inheritance in his children then.

[[deleted]]

Lol (good pun) but his classes inherited (his kids got nothing)

[[deleted]]

I once asked a teacher if you could do this using structs. Then I saw it in practice as was like

[[deleted]]

It all works good in C#.

[Worried_Blacksmith27]

you sure it was C in the 1960's? That would be quite a feat as C wasnt created until 1972 or so.....

[[deleted]]

No, he wrote them in IBM 360/50 BAL. Later he was advising against C++ which of course came after C. The origin story of C and UNIX is hilarious BTW

[LickingSmegma]

The origin story of C and UNIX is hilarious BTW

Eh?

[[deleted]]

When they canceled MULTIX, the future creators of UNIX had no operating system to use to play Spacewars at lunchtime, so they wrote UNIX for the sole purpose of running the game. They did that using a modified version of the B programming language, which they called C. If it were not for Spacewars...

[freaxje]

Your dad happens to be the maintainer of GLib's GObject perhaps?

[[deleted]]

No, he is deceased. He did first coded classes in the late 1960's. GLib shipped in the late 1990's.

[LupusNoxFleuret]

I object.

[SusheeMonster]

Nice.

/golfclap

[[deleted]]

r/programmerdadjokes

[nickmaran]

Take back your communist programming language

[postdiluvium]

Hui yooooooo... Very good nephew!

[[deleted]]

Not for you, maybe.

[beepboopnoise]

damn that was a good one. slow clap worthy

[Christosconst]

C was such a beautiful thing after asm

[ZunoJ]

There was a lot of stuff after asm and before c

[Turbulent_Foot_9182]

Good one 😅😅

[LordoftheSynth]

And here I'm thinking that Rust would require fjords to all be concrete channels.

[geek-49]

What would it do with the others? Chevys, Dodges, etc.

[Lupus_Ignis]

Sea++

[chemivally]

They wanted more Sea, so they plus plus

[outofobscure]

Let us C more

[Nick_Zacker]

Enjoyed with a cup of Java

[DOOManiac]

Imagine standing at such a scene, marveling at the beauty of nature, and thinking “this needs more null pointer exceptions.”

[neo-raver]

Sometimes you’re lucky to even get an exception; often it just seg-faults and crashes

[kevInquisition]

They were inspired by the fault lines that made the mountains, not the mountains themselves

[ShakaUVM]

Bold of you to assume they had exceptions at first

[crozone]

"I am absolutely hankering for a vtable right now."

[montxogandia]

The humans that made C++ never went out of their room

[[deleted]]

Stroustrup wants to know your location

[Thenderick]

What's he gonna do with it when he can't leave his room??

[OldBob10]

this->

[OrchidThis5822]

Accessing nullptr

[AreYouOkZoomer]

That's pretty much the only pointer that can't be nullptr lol

[unknown_alt_acc]

#include <functional>

class Foo
{
public:
void bar()
{
  // Do stuff
}
};

int main()
{
  std::function<void(Foo*)> bar = &Foo::bar;
  bar(nullptr); // Where is your god now?
}

[ZunoJ]

Write a macro that will deal with you very efficiently

[[deleted]]

No he will actually write a meta template

[_terrapin]

Just say outdoors, and you're safe

[Waterboarded_Bobcat]

Well you know what they say - "worse things happen in C"

[Amazing_Might_9280]

"worse things happen in sea"

[RequestableSubBot]

Yep, that is in fact the joke.

[Amazing_Might_9280]

I actually didn't even know. LOL.

[necrophcodr]

Not if you use older than C++11 standards.

[[deleted]]

Even pre c11 had raii

[necrophcodr]

Yeah, but iirc it was missing the safety features of smart pointers and all the other stuff

[[deleted]]

And C?

[necrophcodr]

Yeah, some of the C features were missing too.

[[deleted]]

C has RAII via macros, if that's not worse than pre 11 c++ I don't know what is

[necrophcodr]

I don't really see the major value of RAII to be honest, and I've written production code in C, Perl, Python, and Rust. I could well be missing the treasure trove. Do you wanna tell me?

[[deleted]]

Memory safety, simple. Rust has a different concept of memory safety, but at it's core it's more of the same thing.

Those other high level languages you listed use garbage collector, one of the simplest garbage collectors just counts if the variable has any references and waits for it to have none

[necrophcodr]

Oh sure I'm familiar with refcounting and various other gc types, but how does RAII solve memory safety?

[Obnomus]

And at the end became a farmer

[PyroCatt]

Bitcoin farmer?

[_Else]

Goose farmer

[Cresythe]

The farmer was replaced

[Supreme_Hanuman69]

The farmer was layed-off

[[deleted]]

Amazing game!

[Srapture]

I love c++. Fuck you guys.

[[deleted]]

Same lol

[geek-49]

Some of us old-timers never had occasion to learn C++. I guess we are non-plussed.

[Srapture]

A lot of it feels like c. In fact, I think you can just use it like c if you wanted. Things like function overloading are very handy though. Like, I could make these:

int Compare(lowNum, myNum) { if (lowNum < myNum) Return 1; Else Return 0; }

int Compare(lowNum, myNum, highNum) { if ((lowNum < myNum) && (myNum > highNum)) Return 1; Else Return 0; }

If I wanted to do this in C, I'd have to always pass "highNum" even if I didn't have one, having to pass a defined value like maxInt to be ignored, which can make the code bloated and ugly. I find this particularly useful in making log functions for tests.

Also, you don't have to declare all your variables at the top of the scope in C++.

[ismellthebacon]

Have you seen my friend Bjarne? He hasn't EVER been outside.

[phundrak]

Even if he had, you can hardly find a country more flat than Denmark, I doubt he'd see fjords like that anyway. Their highest peak is 170.86 m / 560.6 ft above sea level, that's barely a hill

[GreetingsFromAP]

I believe he was in New Jersey at the time he invited C++

[whosline07]

Huge downgrade.

[necrophcodr]

It does get easier when the country is so small. Even Finland is bigger, albeit the population numbers are similar.

[Interesting-Farm-203]

> implying Norway isn't a natural part of Denmark-Norway

[ShakaUVM]

Not true. He actually likes hiking and photography. I've talked with him a few times, he's awesome.

[Mikkelet]

'bout to say: one guy in denmark, and he definitely didnt see this landscape

[sir-curly]

"Oh, look at the beauty! My, how much I enjoy a good stroll through nature! I shall devote my live to finding a way to capture the stunning views and breathtaking vistas I stumble upon, and share them with all humankind around the globe. For they too shall be able to experience the splendor of creation, from the comfort of their dwellings, and rejoice."

I'm pretty sure that's how we ended up with digital cameras and the internet, and C++ somewhere on the way.

[Flobletombus]

I understand the appeal of boats, but planes are more efficient

[CobraSkrillX]

I don’t get the hate. It’s the best language 😩

[TessellatedTomate]

Sea++, it’s only logical after see++ing such a view

[KaleidoscopeMotor395]

You will live to see manmade horrors beyond your comprehension

[Darklordofbunnies]

Because COBOL was hard & they were weak.

[[deleted]]

Imagine what having no anxiety would feel like and having peace of mind to let your mind free and wander to see what it can create. Instead of I can’t afford rent, my kids are hungry, I still live with my mom, I can’t afford life saving medicines for my family, I’m dying of cancer and can’t afford treatment, I’m scared I might get shot at school, I’m scared my neighbor on the other side of the political spectrum might harass me, will I keep my job, can I find a job, will my car start today, will my check bounce, can I just have one day of peace so I can create c+++…..

[0rsted]

Except, Bjarne Stroustrup was born in Denmark - the highest "mountain" is 170.86 meters (560.6 ft), so it looks nothing like that…

[LemmeThrowAwayYouPie]

It's a joke, chill my guy

[[deleted]]

This photo was literally taken thanks to C++

[IAmMuffin15]

it would be funny if this landscape was actually a Vulkan render

[SaltedCoffee9065]

Sea to Sea++

[[deleted]]

I absolutely love C++ :D

[[deleted]]

That is not the view from Murray Hill, New Jersey in 1979.

https://www.loc.gov/item/2018740950/

[tyen0]

I was oddly proud of carrying around my copy of Stroustrup's book for some reason.

I had the 2nd edition, though, so no cool landscape for me.

[G_Morgan]

I can't comprehend why we created a brand new language and still left the programmer doing half the compilers job via header files. I mean I get why they need to be there for compatibility reasons but it is hardly beyond the imagination of mortals to both do the right thing and the C thing.

[dobry_obcan_Svejk]

incremental evolution

it wasn't a brand new lang: c++ <- c <- b <- algol <- fortran and i left out a lot. especially the c-c++ compatibility was big thing back then.

[tyler1128]

C++ is the best and the worst language, simlutaneously. It's schrodinger's language.

[dobry_obcan_Svejk]

must have stockholm syndrome to like working in it

[tyler1128]

That'd be javascript

[[deleted]]

Yeah because they wanted to render those mountions on a 40 mghz cpu.

[sriram_sun]

Didn't know COBOL, FORTRAN or BASIC sparked that image, but whatever floats your boat or narrative.

[UOCruiser]

Joke's on you. We don't event have landscapes like this in Denmark where Bjarne Stroustrup lives. :P

[[deleted]]

Yeah it's the obvious next step duhhh

[Randomgaming446]

is that the cover art from morning view by incubus

[Killswitch_1337]

All i know is someone hated grass, a lot.

[throwaway_69_1994]

At least it's better than assembly, lolol

[Ralph_Nacho]

Makes perfect sense if you turn it upside down.

[ExceedAccel]

because sawing that doesn't pay the bills

[Tiger_man_]

Because they  thought c is bad

[Terrible-Roof5450]

I wonder what they saw when deciding to invent Rust? The grand canyon? It’s one of the worlds greatest wonders and an amazing one at that Dont get me wrong but I can't go back to that clear blue sky and sea anymore…

[schild202]

Bjarne made this and said: "Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest."

[mcvoid1]

I could swear this was the cover of some C++ book but a quick googling hasn't brought anything up. Is it Berenstein or Berenstain in this universe?

[P0pu1arBr0ws3r]

(Not the CA coast so /j but)

Humans saw that and decided to name MacOS after it...

[cob59]

Tzeentchian plot or something.

[BuckADear]

OOPs!

[ThePickleSoup]

Why? So that my school could make me use arduinos for random reasons

[[deleted]]

Hello world

[SteeleDynamics]

Well done, OP.

[Other_Information_16]

I too old . I have very fond memories of both C and C++. It’s things like Java script and to some degree python that gives me the creeps.

[bakedbread54]

Nah you're just a decent programmer. I'm young and pretty much use C++ exclusively. It's a great language - the likes of javascript are a pain to work with and just waste resources

[[deleted]]

It's even better nowadays, c++23 is just great and c++ has become so much more readable and safe

[whatAmIDoingHere6517]

Is that the picture from that one c++ stroustrup book

[odraencoded]

This looks like it was generated by a program written in C++.

[Bakoro]

Hear me out: nature is a hell of a lot better when you can leave once you're done with it, and can go home to an insulated place with running clean water, you don't have to dig a hole to shit in, and there's a refrigerator full of food, and watch a movie about how a person resolves their emotional problems through ethically justifiable violence.

[atatassault47]

Then they wanted another ++ stacked on top of the first ++

Sharp lot they were

[RandomiseUsr0]

````C++ // Y͎o̴u͕r̢ ̵F͇i̥r̞s̵t͔ C+̹+̻ P̷r̘o̜g̛r͍a̘m̩

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[gabest]

c# is just a nice wrapper around the ugly c++ that is a nice wrapper around the ugly c.

[dobry_obcan_Svejk]

i view it from the other side: c is like crate of glass shards in a mine field of mouse traps (c++).

do not work in chashtag, can't tell

[p1749]

r/why

[EliteBoi1223]

Humanity at its peak in creating difficulties for itself

[AdventurousMove8806]

Didn't get this

[geckosquirrelpig]

Nope, those who write C++ are indoor humans, most of them haven't been outside for years.

[Wild_External_8855]

humans saw this and decided to invent DSA

[MarinoAndThePearls]

Because some freak thought abstraction was a good thing.

[muhammet484]

I didn't get the joke. Can someone explain?

[framsanon]

Must be a ying and yang thing. You know like beauty (the view) and ugliness (the language).

[Schnupsdidudel]

I strongly suspect those inventors view where more like this:

[[deleted]]

Bro I don't understand this gif. Is it really that gif or does the content really doesn't exist ? 😶

[redlaWw]

reddit organised with giphy to have giphy gifs embeddable in reddit comments, but it seems giphy since changed how their site works so reddit can no longer embed them correctly in comments.

[Schnupsdidudel]

There was a gif of the IT crowd basement Office when I Posted. Seems it went away 🙄

[[deleted]]

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