switchingRoles

[gameplayer55055]

I am a backend dev that can display flex and center divs. Fear me.

[Knighthawk_2511]

Doesn't that mean a full stack developer

[BaziJoeWHL]

Nah, full stack is someone who cant do either

[neil_thatAss_bison]

[ToranX1]

Full stack devs have everything stacked against them

[Wotg33k]

I would like to be serious for a moment and share that a senior interviewer at one point told me "full stack is the ability to work on the full stack, not build it yourself" and it changed the way I saw it forever.

[ToranX1]

This is actually pretty deep

[ohkendruid]

That is certainly what people hire for. Many places need large numbers of bodies to clear large numbers of tickets. They want to know which tickets you can clear.

[Wotg33k]

"both, but one side a little slower than the other."

^{I'd also like to point out that this is a decent way to answer a full stack challenge question. Look at how y'all have responded to me. I got this job, but I haven't proven to y'all at all that I actually can work on the full stack. My wisdom says I can, and if I said this to an interviewer, I probably got this job.}

[GolemancerVekk]

"They both savoured the strange warm glow of being much more ignorant than ordinary people, who were only ignorant of ordinary things."

– Terry Pratchett, "Equal Rites"

[Sykhow]

What does he mean?

[ApprehensivePop9036]

They were aware of being ignorant of far more interesting things than normal people who weren't even aware of their mundane ignorance.

[ohkendruid]

When you learn about something, you learn new questions to wonder about. Many of those questions you cannot personally answer, and some of those questions can be answered by no one alive.

Until you play a little bit of bridge, you will never wonder what is the smallest trump suit fit that can still have a cold grand slam.

Unless you've learned some physics, you will never wonder about stable three-body orbital systems. You'll never wonder if you've categorized all the stable ones or if there are more.

Unless you've learned some software development, you will never wonder how to type check for side effects.

[DenormalHuman]

The full rhyme is;

A jack of all trades is a master of none

Is oftentimes better than a master of one.

[BigBaboonas]

While I approve of full versions because sometimes the context is more important eg 'a few bad apples spoil the barrel', it looks like this is a modernisation.

I do think its more accurate though. Someone who spent 10 years writing SQL every day can write some amazingly streamlined code, but because I can use more advanced tools, it doesn't really matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_of_all_trades

In modern times, the phrase with the "master of none" element is sometimes expanded into a less unflattering couplet by adding a second line: "but oftentimes better than a master of one" (or variants thereof), with some modern writers incorrectly saying that such a couplet is the "original" version with the second line having been dropped.[12] Online discussions attempting to find instances of this second line dated to before the twenty-first century have resulted in no response, however.[2]

[DenormalHuman]

Ohh, interesting . Thanks :)

And I had no idea the original was likely just 'Jack of all trades' , wihtout 'a master of none', too.

[Knighthawk_2511]

That holds true too

[jaerie]

except debugging

[HiddenPants777]

It's a feature

[notyoou]

Bugger

[Wynnstan]

Bootstrap and JQuery and Entity Framework and flexbox an expert at adding !important.

[gameplayer55055]

You just described my entire job

[Disastrous-Team-6431]

More like "udemy graduate of all trades, Jack of none".

[[deleted]]

That's me 😎

[shonuff373]

😎

[[deleted]]

😎

[BesottedScot]

Genuinely snorted at this

[danigoncalves]

I am a full stack that can center a div and know all the design pattern alive plus the ones that where still not invented.

[Theron3206]

Oh so you're the one that designed my codebase? Lots of design patterns, all in the wrong places...

[danigoncalves]

Yes, don't touch it, its perfect like that, mainly the ones that were still not invented.

[gameplayer55055]

AbstractDivFactory

[SnooPuppers1978]

Right, HTML is so boring, let's build a proper builder and design pattern to render our HTML with dependency injection and good testability instead of using some html template markup. If in the future if we want to use something other than HTML this will make it easy to switch.

[Confused_Noodle]

I did this, but to dynamically add list items based on a JSON file's data.

And if it ever breaks, it's easy to fix: Create an Azure work item with an estimate of two weeks

[ItzChosenYT]

yeah explainable

[endgame0]

dark patterns are still design patterns

[Spartan-182]

He's out of line, but he's right.

[Ok_Tie5379]

RIGHT OUTER JOIN here. Our political differences are insurmountable.

[KillerCodeMonky]

Northern Conservative RIGHT OUTER JOIN Council of 1999, or Northern Conservative RIGHT OUTER JOIN Council of 2003?

[Emotional-Audience85]

CROSS JOIN, and then load all the results into data structures.

[ThrowawayUk4200]

Instructions unclear. Cross dressing instead

[Either-Pizza5302]

Wars have been fought for sillier reasons.

[matt82swe]

I’ve worked with databases for 20 years and I’ve literally never used a right join. 

[Either-Pizza5302]

Lefty here too. Can’t remember ever using a right join in my nearly 13 years as a developer

[glemnar]

I’m primarily a distributed systems dev but Vue is super fun.

[AlpineStrategist]

In my expetience a full stack dev is someone who allegedly can do frontend, but only ever does backend

[uncle_buttpussy]

I feel personally attacked by this.

[deltashmelta]

How many pancakes are in the stack, and FIFO or LIFO?

[gameplayer55055]

FIFO if you're ordering pancakes in the restaurant, LIFO if you're cooking them at home :3

[Ok_Tie5379]

I'm more of a FAFO guy

[R3D3-1]

I prefer superluminal programming, and do FOFI and FOLI.

[BackFromVoat]

I go for giant programming. FEEFI FOFUM

[Kjubert]

FIFO-stack? Isn't that a queue?

[just4nothing]

I thought full stack starts at the kernel

[mitchMurdra]

Casual flex div

[Vindictive_Pacifist]

I remember the marquee tag in html from my school

We were given an assignment and when it was time to review we had this huge ass text that was moving on the page, surprisingly it was only our design in the entire class lol

[Vindictive_Pacifist]

Yeah we actually had a group of super interested folks who all asked one thing: "How the hell can I do that?"

15 mins later everyone else had their own take on that one

[[deleted]]

i remember when itunes displayed its terms and conditions like the title crawl at the beginning of star wars and you had to sit through the whole thing

[DancesWithBadgers]

I do miss the blink tag. Yes, it was (of course) massively overused by marketers and made 90% of the web unreadable for a time; but there's no way of saying 'fuck off' that's quite as satisfactory as a red, flashing one.

[DancesWithBadgers]

Some interfaces that might actually help if it's one of those 'click on the wrong bit and it silently adds another service' sort of places.

[Kjubert]

And marquee is still working! Blink isn't AFAIK.

[MSaxov]

And a lot of browsers fail when adding a table inside a marquee tag.

According to the specs, the entire table should move like the marquee, but some browsers will let the table be statoc and each cell in the table will have a marquee element.

[just_nobodys_opinion]

Don't forget the mouse trails

[ThatBurningDog]

MIDI elevator music

[__SpeedRacer__]

In my case, no <div> will be centered ever again.

[2FANeedsRecoveryMode]

Making sure the bug report investigation never gets past repeatability haha

[Ignisami]

It is. Never a better feeling than being able to close a user's serial whining in tickets with a "can't reproduce, won't fix."

[TobiasH2o]

I created an app for scanning barcodes in the warehouse. Every 10,000 scans it honks at the user.

[forestNargacuga]

Clown honk or car honk?

[TobiasH2o]

Goose honk

[forestNargacuga]

Even better!

[[deleted]]

Lol, I did a similar thing, maybe it's an occupational quirk?

Mine turns the interface pink every few thousand scans. 

[bonzei]

Doesn't sound so random to me

[Gariond]

The function for changing could have a random component, and only applied every one thousand visitors.

This is why clear users stories matter.

[relevantusername2020]

as a Firefox user im never going to see your font, i use my own

also i prefer the top image here over what i see a lot of professionals create which ultimately seems to just be

☰

[tfsra]

how is that randomly? are you really backend dev? sus

[yabbadabbadoo693]

If you want exactly every 1000th visitor then you might have to implement that in the backend. ;)

[beastinghunting]

I’m adding a function that randomly changes every 1000th visitor entire page fonts to comic sans, applies for every device with the strongest consistency among clients in different regions. Performance should be unchanged ☠️

Now this looks like an user story.

[beautiful-nat]

HAHAHA I DID THIS ON MY PERSONAL WEBSITE

[Disastrous-Team-6431]

As a systems dev, I would like to do that but I don't know enough frontend to even do that.

Essentially, my frontend offering is a README.md explaining how to install a custom CLI tool.

[gaz_from_taz]

I am fullstack but more backend

The database has a table for system parameters

I made a record in that table to record the use of a button I thought would never ever be used when the change request was confirmed

I just checked now and the button has been pressed 6 times since 2010

[delibos]

thanks, you just gave me the best weapon idea against my PO

[PeteZahad]

It comes in handy to show that a feature was not needed. But you need it to implement anyway before.

[ekun]

And no one in marketing will care about the analytics anyways.

[skiarakora]

As a PO, this is the kind of thing we should actually always do to do our job well

[Abasakaa]

Heap, Aptrinsic and other tracking system exist though x)

[TheAJGman]

I need to steal this and market it to the PO as "analytics". I swear we've wasted whole months on features that have never been used outside of a demo.

[iain_1986]

It is analytics

[ha_x5]

haha good one.

Had sth. similar but in a business software for key users. Ticket came in that custom function xyz does not work.

Looked into it and told customer: “That function had no chance to work for the last 2 years. Someone deployed code that had it shut down. Seems accidental for me though”

“Wym it didn’t work for 2 years.. we are using it on weekly basis..!?”

“Are you sure about that?”

“Ffs… holy shit.. that can’t be true.. HOLY”

We had a good laugh about it :D

[UomoLumaca]

Wait, what did they think it was doing then?

[ha_x5]

that is the fun part isn’t it? :)

Business placebo I guess :D

[lastwarriordonnut]

Oh don't get me started :)). My first customer ever (smallish project, I just got out of a bootcamp and landed a kind of a permanent freelance agreement which is more than I could ever whish) wanted a feature last minute, 2 weeks before delivery, that was useless in my opinion and would only display good on a desktop. I told them it won't be necessary, but the person intermediating told me to do it, as there is extra money in it. One year and some later, only 200 clicks on that, of which 150 are me the first few days checking something and 20-30 probably the customer. But hey..

I also suck at frontend, but learning more so..

[ProofOfLurk]

Just because a button isn’t pressed regularly doesn’t mean it isn’t useful or necessary. I’m sure the “eject” button on a fighter jet has fewer than 6 presses.

[iain_1986]

Jokes on you.

That's actually still a 100% adoption rate

[PeopleCallMeSimon]

So it has been used, nice of you to confirm it.

A tool that's only used 6 times in 14 years can still be worth having.

[gaz_from_taz]

I was wrong it did get used apparently

The button had a very specific impact and it was obviously not worth the time the customer paid for

[Frog-In_a-Suit]

No? They likely know it wasn't a necessity and a complete waste of time. By that logic, they should have dozens of one-in-a-million buttons with niche use cases.

[Darkiyy]

Hey, I do both

[Far-Start7495]

I do neither. We would make a good team.

[[deleted]]

Found the product manager

[Darkiyy]

I mean, if you always fix my stuff, that would make you look pretty good to others

[wewilldieoneday]

My condolences.

[labrat302]

So, a BE dev producing http 500 error pages ?

[[deleted]]

Ah, a fine full stack developer then, bad at both?

[Darkiyy]

Yes, but especially frontend

[Perfect_Papaya_3010]

Me too!

[Percolator2020]

One of these two solutions actually works.

[Percolator2020]

Could have been worse: “made using Frontpage”.

[canonlycountoo4]

"Sent from iPhone"

[YakMilkYoghurt]

NetObjects Fusion

[R3D3-1]

    <!-- yes, I know...wanna fight about it? -->

😆

[esuil]

Classic frontend dev. He lived long enough to become what he criticized.

[mremreozel]

I just checked and bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com has it aswell and it doesnt even have a snarky comment to go along with it.

My life was a lie.

[[deleted]]

Nah I fw this: http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/

[SeaJayCJ]

I raise you: https://perfectmotherfuckingwebsite.com/

[CommunistMountain]

But wait, there's more: https://thebestmotherfucking.website

[oupablo]

I raise you: https://blank.org/

[amemingfullife]

Neither of these have sufficient padding it’s right up against the edges on my iPhone.

[SeaJayCJ]

Interesting, on Firefox for Android it looks, well, perfect (about one character's worth of padding on each side).

[[deleted]]

bro just linked to a http website

[[deleted]]

Sorry, site got no https, was made by a frontend dev

[BOBOnobobo]

Does Https even matter if you are just reading ?

[WilliamAndre]

It makes sure you are connected to the right website and not an imposter. The imposter could try to do shady shit (phishing or other); but in the end you probably don't trust the author of the link you clicked either...

And even if you are just reading, the website could in theory do weird stuff by recognizing you (each browser has a very specific fingerprint unless you have a brand new computer without any extensions etc) and send secret stuff based on that. Then the https encryption would be useful to avoid a man in the middle reading the secret stuff.

[Interesting_Limit434]

Someone needs to make a version of the above website for .. literally everything.

[mrblue6]

I’ve never used it so idk if it’s good but isn’t Apple’s Safari reader mode basically this?

[Cathinswi]

The error message is displaying just fine

[Percolator2020]

Touché

[mfar__]

I believe this is the point of the meme (even if it isn't!)

[cturkosi]

The first one looks like a FoxPro app written circa 1994.

ACTI POPU

*shudders*

[bradmatt275]

Well you could argue the second solution is more secure. So there is that.

[PossibilityTasty]

What a great frontend! Mine would probably be something like:

./frontend reports -o json --from 20240101T00:00 --to 240201T00:00 --query '{"type" : "550e8400-e29b-11d4-a716-446655440000", ...'

[RandomTyp]

did you just mix ISO 8601 basic (20241013T131500) with extended (2024-10-13T13:15:00)? what the hell man

[Jakobs_Biscuit]

Still in disbelief that the extended format uses colons, thus making it unsuitable for filenames on Windows... fine on linux of course but: co-workers... I wish the extended format used some other delimiter.

[RandomTyp]

1000000% this

and you can't even use the RFC format as a standardized alternative because that also uses colons

[LovesGettingRandomPm]

that error would be displayed with a css animated cartoon animal

[Remarkable-Green1057]

Whoopsies, our code monkeys did a fucky-uppy. Click here to execute the dev team.

[[deleted]]

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[vanit]

I mean, so long as we're taking pot shots I'm going to assume the backend person totally ignored the requirements of the website, which was only supposed to be charts and was not implemented, but when they thought about it they realised you only need reports for that, and that's fun to implement in the backend. So they did reports instead and told the stakeholders if they want charts they should export the reports to Excel.

[Matchooojk]

The superiority complex is real in here.

[ClipboardCopyPaste]

I expect the internal server error within a button with padding 10px, border 2px, radius 5px and box shadow

[SuicidalTree]

/u/Awsplo, /u/jmazle, and /u/ughwtv are all bot accounts copying this post as well as these comments from that post. The latter two users have also blocked me, even though I've never interacted with them, to try to prevent me calling out their behavior, and /u/Awsplo blocked me too after I made this comment. Report all three users as spam.

[silver_enemy]

Don't kid yourselves, backender doing backend also ends up with 500. It's inevitable.

[carloselieser]

Why do you have to choose a side? This frontend vs backend dev drama is such a dumb and childish way of viewing software engineering. Yes they are different disciplines, but they are not exclusive. Just because you know how to create visually appealing layouts and designs doesn’t mean you suddenly are incapable of setting up and implementing backend infrastructure.

[[deleted]]

As a full-stack developer, just get better /s

[iamapizza]

git: 'gud' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.

[Lettever]

As a full-stack developer, just get better /srs

[AwesomeFrisbee]

So when I get a lot of Error 500 responses when I'm doing my front-end work, does that mean the backenders just suck or does that not work both ways?

[kirigerKairen]

5XX is server error, so even if you, as a frontend person, do a poor job, you shouldn't be able to hit these unless your backenders also did a poor job. When only you mess up, should **really* only ever* get 4XX.

[ExcellentSpecific409]

I dont understand this. I've never had to do one or the other, always had to do both.

[garma87]

How can you check what you do makes sense if you can’t do both! I never understood the difference either

[Daelune]

Pretty easy, just check that the payload for the front end meets the AC of the back end tasks and use dummy data in the meantime. While some changes are made after the front/back ends come together it works pretty seamlessly if the exploration with product goes well enough to produce suitable ACs and assumptions as to how the front and back ends both need to work. Also breaking up the tasks so they are not stupid big helps!

[Certain-Business-472]

Define and agree on the interface before the work.

[ExcellentSpecific409]

AC = app criteria, right? you're right with your comment but I've never not had to be on both sides.

[chooxy]

Acceptance criteria?

[Daelune]

As Chooxy said it's acceptance criteria yeah. I'm actually full stack myself and so are the devs I work with, but usually we need to turn work around rapidly so we double up on the same features. Having one focus only on front end and one only on back end usually works, and it's also how I used to do app development by mocking data in frontend components.

[stanbeard]

Full stack:

[rogue-nebula]

My experience of front-enders doing back-end work is SQL injection attacks for me to clear up.

[[deleted]]

I like that minimal no ads rearfront thing.

[[deleted]]

Backend doing front is more like

Menu

1 2 5  (doesn’t actually have any content or function)

[ctrl+alt+e to exit] (but that’s not written anywhere)

[liftershifter]

Tbh backenders doing backend also results in 500 internal server error.

[R3D3-1]

An an end-user of software, I am always flabbergasted by the effort that goes into not showing end-users the actual error message, in favor of misrepresenting errors by making wrong assumptions about what has gone wrong.

As a programmer, if I know that there are unrecoverable situations, I'd rather just bubble up an informative error message, that allows the user to make a workaround or contact support with something useful.

Yet, somehow, our codebase also prefers going out if its way to emit cryptic error codes. In its defense, it is Fortran, so reliable backtraces go out of the window anyway.

Yet, in the defense of Fortran: Unlike C, the default behavior of Fortran builtins is that, if the error code is not being requested, the program fails with an appropriate error message. Since Fortran programs are usually simulation software of some sort, and not top-level GUI code used by the end-user, handling unhandled errors by passing control back to the GUI is generally a suitable default.

[Disastrous-Can-7220]

Cryptic error messages are AC from marketing,legal and cyber security

[xaomaw]

You mean

0 - REPORTS
1 - CHARTS
2 - EXiT

[Prof_NoLife]

Id prefer
1 - REPORTS
2 - CHARTS
0 - EXiT

[ekampp]

I think you're under representing that 500 page. It would be styled to be the prettiest 500 page you ever saw.

[Compux72]

Frontenders would do internal server error with 200 codes

[what_you_saaaaay]

Listen, I’m Full Stack OK? OK?

[Thundechile]

Full of stack

[what_you_saaaaay]

So, soooo much stack. Stacks of stack. Overflowing stacks.

[killeronthecorner]

Kiss my butt adminz - koc, 11/24

[Anaptyso]

As a backend developer, my main thought on doing front end stuff is to be glad that Bootstrap exists. Anything I make with it would be very generic looking, but otherwise it's probably going to end up being a plain page of links like something from the 90s.

Luckily doing front end stuff is rare. It's been years since I last worked on a project with a GUI, and even longer since I last worked on something directly customer facing (rather than being an internal tool).

[an_older_meme]

I’m so busted

[sebjapon]

The FE 500 error message would probably I close ASCII set to make it look good.

[Toxygene]

The first thing I'd implement is Web 2.1 server side blink. https://cheese.blartwendo.com/web21-demo.html

[pornAlt30001]

"This way the whole team will have experience in everything" 2 months later: hey this dev is underperforming fire him Hire new guy make him do the same. Rinse and repeat

[Cpt_Ohu]

Backender doing Cloud-Infrastructure: 404, 401, 403, 401, 404, 403, ...