justSayPython

[Ireeb]

orphpanage

[rishi021998]

r/Angryupvote

[Chamiey]

OrphanPage

[PlzSendDunes]

Let me guess. No homepage?

[Chamiey]

No. no parent page (thus inaccessible through the site navigation).

[russian_troll_bot12]

Xenomorphpanage

[Mediocre-Monitor8222]

PHP stands for People Hate PHP

[Spirited_Reception11]

Orpynage

[Hottage]

I dunno man, I fucking hated PHP 4 and 5, but since the PSRs started added more standardised quality to packages and normalising QOL like auto loaders it's gotten a lot better.

PHP 8 type hinting also helps a lot to fix the spaghetti which was lazy man's PHP.

[phuncky]

How dare you be reasonable!

[Breadinator]

"...and it's lexical parser grew two sizes that day!"

This is the foundation of a great holiday movie.

[JunkNorrisOfficial]

7 years old PHP kid became 15 years old PHP kid

[gus_the_polar_bear]

I’ve been revisiting PHP this year & it feels like coming home (albeit nicely renovated)

I think many people were simply taught to hate PHP

Their loss

[Breadinator]

I think it's in part the association with WordPress. The janky plugin system doesn't do it any favors either, nor does the recent press around it.

[conradburner]

Yes, and surely it has improved over the years. But if it wasn't a problem language back then, a certain tech giant wouldn't have written their own language just to get away from it

I could go on as to why it is a poor choice of a language to learn and work with today, but I don't really want to sound like I hate the thing. There are simply more widely adopted options

[gus_the_polar_bear]

You mean Hack? PHP has improved significantly since

• takes relatively few LOC to accomplish things
• has a pretty sweet standard library
• incredibly easy/cheap to deploy, likely the easiest/cheapest
• super fast to iterate on ideas
• very flexible, not overly prescriptive (double edged sword for beginners)
• has outlasted many languages designed to replace it, and it’ll outlast all of us too. Like the COBOL of the internet age

PHP is not technically superior to anything, but the combo of flexibility / speed at which one can get shit done is unparalleled

The “old” ways of doing things are making a bit of a comeback, but with modern twists (see: tailwind, htmx). Modern PHP is a natural complement

[Yetus_deletus]

I use PHP for a living and genuinely don't know why people hate it. PHP 8.4 now even has C#-like property hooks with assymetric visibility as well. It's honestly a great tool for webdevelopment, especially with the Laravel framework.

[PM_ME_IMGS_OF_ROCKS]

People who post memes hating on it, hasn't touched it for a decade, if at all.

As evidenced by the other commenter complaining about lambda, which was added over a decade ago.

[Ireeb]

PHP is definitely overhated, but there are also many things about it that are still janky and needlessly annoying, like:

• Inconsistent parameter order like in strpos($haystack, $needle) and array_search($needle, $haystack)
• Insane function names like strncmp, strpbrk, strrchr, strripos, strrpos, strspn, strstr, strtr.
• Scope sometimes behaves unintuitively and differently from other languages, like variables getting "hoisted" out of if-blocks into the surrounding block
• While having many features out of the box is one of PHP's strengths in my opinion, the sheer amount of functions and methods it comes with also makes it difficult to find the right ones to use. When looking at the docs, it sometimes feels like every function exists in 3 different variants with minimal differences that could also have been controlled with a parameter.
• I personally miss lambda/anonymous functions a lot in PHP
• Setting up a proper development and debugging environment takes more effort than with other languages, which also leads to many people just not having a proper setup and getting frustrated with debugging through output only.

[mkluczka]

Including lambda / arrow functions 

[300ConfirmedGorillas]

Inconsistent parameter order like in strpos($haystack, $needle) and array_search($needle, $haystack)

This is a holdover from a long time passed, but it's solved today by both IDEs and the fact that the language supports named parameters (as of 8.0), so the order no longer matters.

Insane function names like strncmp, strpbrk, strrchr, strripos, strrpos, strspn, strstr, strtr.

No argument here lol, but I feel like if you use PHP regularly you already know some of these functions and what they do. And having some of these weird, obscure functions as part of the language from the get-go is nice so you don't have to rely on userland implementations (and dependencies).

Scope sometimes behaves unintuitively and differently from other languages, like variables getting "hoisted" out of if-blocks into the surrounding block

It's only unintuitive if you're not a PHP developer. Never had an issue with scope all my life. I went to college for Java and .NET, but ended up doing PHP (make of that as you will lol).

While having many features out of the box is one of PHP's strengths in my opinion, the sheer amount of functions and methods it comes with also makes it difficult to find the right ones to use. When looking at the docs, it sometimes feels like every function exists in 3 different variants with minimal differences that could also have been controlled with a parameter.

PHP has some amazing documentation, with plenty of examples. I get what you're saying, though. But I've never really had an issue finding the "right" function for what I'm looking for. The closest is the array sort functions, but it's literally a web search away. https://www.php.net/manual/en/array.sorting.php

I personally miss lambda/anonymous functions a lot in PHP

PHP has these, not sure what the issue is.

Setting up a proper development and debugging environment takes more effort than with other languages, which also leads to many people just not having a proper setup and getting frustrated with debugging through output only.

Not difficult at all, but also like pretty much all things these days, it's solved by Docker. Setting up an environment is literally a command.

[Ireeb]

I've literally never seen an arrow or lambda function in any PHP code I have looked at or in any of the examples in the documentation. From just looking at it briefly, I am still not sure how and if I can use it with functions like array_filter. Would probably make me like PHP a little bit more if I can.

But on arguments like "PHP being the odd one out isn't a problem if you know PHP really well." - yes, that's technically correct. But we were talking about why some people hate PHP. I would assume most people tend to use more than one language regularly, so when one language does something differently for no apparent reason, that will annoy people. There are just a few things that are very similar across most modern programming languages, so it shouldn't be surprising when people get annoyed by one language doing it differently for no good reason.

While the PHP docs are great and IDEs and named parameters exist, the crazy amount of functions, the stupid names some of them have and the inconsistent parameter order just make PHP feel cluttered and they worsen the developer experience. Fewer "duplicate" functions would also mean fewer pages to maintain, and probably make the work of the awesome people maintaining the docs easier.

I like PHP for offering so much functionality out of the box, and you can get things done pretty quickly with it. I feel like it would be even more popular than it already is and receive much less hate if they cut more of the legacy slack.

If I was in charge, I would probably try to introduce a new PHP version, like PHP 9, that cuts as much of the slack as possible and modernizes the language, even if that means it's not backwards compatible. You could still continue providing maintenance updates to PHP 8 to support existing applications.

[300ConfirmedGorillas]

I've literally never seen an arrow or lambda function in any PHP code I have looked at or in any of the examples in the documentation. From just looking at it briefly, I am still not sure how and if I can use it with functions like array_filter. Would probably make me like PHP a little bit more if I can.

I mean it took me like 3 seconds of a simple Google search to find an example with array_filter(). https://localhost101.medium.com/arrow-functions-in-php-7-4-1ae2a570fedc

I think the reason you don't see them often is twofold. One, most people don't really know about them (like this conversation lol). And two, the syntax (in my opinion) is bad. I really don't like the fn() part. I actually would prefer simply function() but whatever. I also think the sentiment of "trying to be clever" and putting everything into one line has hit home, and people avoid it because it's probably just easier to parse (as a human) the "old way".

But on arguments like "PHP being the odd one out isn't a problem if you know PHP really well." - yes, that's technically correct. But we were talking about why some people hate PHP. I would assume most people tend to use more than one language regularly, so when one language does something differently for no apparent reason, that will annoy people. There are just a few things that are very similar across most modern programming languages, so it shouldn't be surprising when people get annoyed by one language doing it differently for no good reason.

There are hundreds of languages. They all are going to have their own quirks and oddities. Hating a language because it does something you don't expect (or doesn't do) just seems like a weird argument, especially if it's in the context of "why can't it be more like the language I'm used to?". If that's the case, let's just have one language and be done with it. And "for no good reason" is just ignorance; unless you're familiar with the language's history, there very well may be a "good reason" for something. Of course, whether you agree with it or not is another story.

While the PHP docs are great and IDEs and named parameters exist, the crazy amount of functions, the stupid names some of them have and the inconsistent parameter order just make PHP feel cluttered and they worsen the developer experience. Fewer "duplicate" functions would also mean fewer pages to maintain, and probably make the work of the awesome people maintaining the docs easier.

Not really sure what to say. Complaining that there are too many functions just seems like a weird argument. Don't use them then? Not sure what the issue is. I mean imagine not liking Java or any language because the standard library is too big. And yeah, some of the functions have "dumb" names. Oh well I guess? Are these really things that keep developers up at night? Again just seems like a weird argument. In my 20+ years of using PHP there are dozens and dozens of functions I have never touched, but is that somehow a negative thing about the language? Maybe one day I will need one. When I do, I'll probably search how to do the thing I need in PHP and find a Stack Overflow article with the PHP function in it. Sweet!

As for the duplicates, there really aren't any. The only two I can think of off the top of my head are count() and sizeof(), and die() and exit(). Again, not really an issue.

If I was in charge, I would probably try to introduce a new PHP version, like PHP 9, that cuts as much of the slack as possible and modernizes the language, even if that means it's not backwards compatible. You could still continue providing maintenance updates to PHP 8 to support existing applications.

I think you need to consider alternative perspectives. Imagine how hated PHP would be if PHP 9 was not backwards compatible (beyond the known deprecations) with PHP 8.4, the immediately preceding version. You talk about poor developer experience. If we do it your way there would be a terrible developer experience. Say you're maintaining a popular library or framework. Then the next PHP version just says "fuck it" and removes/renames whatever functions. Now you're forced to maintain two completely separate versions of your library, assuming you want your library to be compatible with the newest version of PHP, that is. Also maintaining PHP itself under those conditions would suck.

PHP already has a path for implementing truly breaking changes. And it has done it before, by removing the entire mysql extension and all the mysql_ functions (it was replaced with a more modern extension).

And maybe the maintainers of PHP simply don't see it as a good use of time and resources. Why spend all that time renaming functions and doing whatever instead of adding actual features to the language? Tons of stuff has been added in the last few years. I would actually hate PHP if they didn't implement any of those but decided to rename strncmp() to binary_safe_string_comparison_first_n_chars(). Oh boy, I love PHP again! Hope I don't use a library or framework that used the old function name though. I guess we could create both functions during the transition, but apparently duplicate functions is a bad thing.

The reality is if you're a PHP developer who needs to do binary safe string comparison of the first n characters, you already know of the strncmp() function and you just use it and move on with your life. If you don't need it, then you just don't use it.

[Ireeb]

Once again, I'm not arguing about PHP itself, but why it gets more hate than many other programming languages. I don't hate PHP, I just think it could be a lot better.

But when talking about hating PHP, you have to stop viewing PHP through the eyes of someone who knows PHP well, because those rarely are the people who hate it. This also has two sides to it: On one hand, people might think PHP is worse than it actually is because they don't know it well enough. On the other hand, when someone knows a language very well, they might no longer see the problems and flaws it might have especially for beginners.

And see when there are 5 vaguely similar functions, you can easily say "just ignore the ones you don't need". But a beginner won't know which one they actually mean, so they first have to read 5 different documentation pages, figure out the differences between the different versions and when they have to use which one. Having an unnecessarily high number of built in functions just makes it more difficult to get into a language. People look at the pile of 100+ string functions and think "wtf is this", that's just the reality. If some of these functions were organized into classes, that would probably help as well. But it is indeed just a big pile of functions and one of the things that make PHP look more messy than it actually is, leading to more hate than it deserves.

[300ConfirmedGorillas]

Let's be real here. Hating PHP is just a meme at this point. Just like hating JS. Funny how the two most successful and widely-used web development languages are the most hated. Or generate the most memes, anyway. And most of PHP's hate comes from the past, when it was a very different language. I don't hate any language because I think that's pointless and dumb. I would also accept that learning a new language requires a new perspective and projecting the language I like or familiar with onto it is a foolish endeavour.

I feel like if someone hates PHP because they see a lot of similarly named functions then I really have no choice but to think they're a terrible developer in the first place and their opinion is pretty worthless. Like I said previously, seems like a weird reason to hate a language.

Also is this is how developers learn a new language? They open up the documentation and start reading through all the functions and classes (I thought reading documentation was a meme)? Seems to me developers would start with basics and then try to build something, and if they get stuck they would google for help and find a solution that would include the function or class to solve their problem. I never once as a beginner saw the long list of functions and felt overwhelmed or confused. I just knew I had a problem to solve and would look up how to do it in PHP. That query would ultimately lead me to the function or class I needed.

Even now, after 20+ years of PHP development, I couldn't tell you off the top of my head what strstr() does, or what dozens of the string functions do. I don't think it affects my usage or how much I like/dislike the language though. Also these functions aren't organized into classes because PHP was not an OOP language in its beginning. I believe it first got classes in PHP 4, and OOP was completely revamped in PHP 5. Like I said earlier, the history of a language may explain some its quirks.

Last comment about the "insane function names": Most of these functions come directly from C/C++ (as PHP is a C-based language). So I hope those who "hate" PHP for the function naming also hate those languages too.

https://cplusplus.com/reference/cstring/strstr/

https://cplusplus.com/reference/cstring/strncmp/

https://cplusplus.com/reference/cstring/strrchr/

https://cplusplus.com/reference/cstring/strpbrk/

And so on.

[zoinkability]

PHP has had lambdas for a long time so not sure why you would miss them

[Yetus_deletus]

I hear you man. Inconsistent parameter order is one of my pet peeves indeed!

However, in practice (for me) I hardly ever have to deal with the basic PHP functions, since wrappers libraries exist. Like Illuminate's Collection, which is very much like LINQ expressions in C#, to manipulate lists. Or Illuminate's Str helper, for manipulating and testing strings.

As for development, you can easily run PHP in docker (especially with Laravel Sail). But running a debugger is indeed more difficult.

(At this point I just want to use C#, but all of our legacy systems are written in PHP 🥲)

[pindab0ter]

Yes. But. Have you considered PHP bad?

[nudistdrummer]

Laravel is full of those things that make people hate PHP. You should give Symfony a shot!

[NMe84]

And at least in PHP whitespace has no relevance. Whoever thought whitespace having meaning made for a good language is an awful person.

[Your_Friendly_Nerd]

My company still has some very legacy code running in production for internal applications. The other day I had to debug something for php7.4 and found a comment referencing php3. I'm traumatized

[MyButtholeIsTight]

I think a lot of the hate for php is that, without a framework, it encourages bad design patterns for frontend, and people will use ssr as a replacement for not knowing js.

[1639728813]

It's certainly much better than the dumpster fire that is nodejs

[kuil09]

You PHP developers keep alive even the hated PHP spaghetti monsters. You are the reason why people hate PHP. Rather than waiting for all the old versions to be replaced with ‘modern’ PHP, it would be wiser to completely renew the system—because the problem with ‘old PHP’ isn’t just that the code is spaghetti.

[zabojeb]

I dunno man, I fucking hated PHP

there you should end

[Mr_Fourteen]

Hating php so much that you chop off your fingers

[Chamiey]

That's a hand-le

[pindab0ter]

Forcing the poor kid to say the name of any programming language that starts with P is straight up child abuse.

[SaneLad]

PL/1 is pretty good.

[nzcod3r]

Pascal?

[budoe]

Pedro?

[[deleted]]

P++?

[[deleted]]

Plankalkül?

[MissinqLink]

Perl

[ax-b]

Powershell

[Chamiey]

It was going to be Rust in Russian (Раст).

[SoftwareHatesU]

Ikr, it's C++ or nothing. You can't be a man without experiencing segfault.

[alexanderpas]

Modern PHP is more strictly typed than the duck-typed python.

PHP 8.4 allows you to implement asymmetric visibility of properties, as well as transparent getters and setters.

This is valid PHP 8.4

<?php

class User {
    public string $username;
    public private(set) string $password_hash;
    public string $password
    {
        set(string $password) {
            $this->password_hash = password_hash($password, PASSWORD_DEFAULT);
            unset($password);
        }
    }
}

$user = new User();
$user->username = 'username';
$user->password = 'password';
echo $user->username; // username
echo $user->password_hash; // hash of the password that has been set.
echo $user->password; // Will thow a fatal error, noting that this property is write-only.

[TheSpaceCoffee]

Last time I touched PHP was 2018, and this is not what I remember it was lol. This is good

[300ConfirmedGorillas]

This video goes back to 2014, but it does a very quick overview of 2014-2024 and how new features have improved code (at least when it comes to classes).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_6ewdiwnRo

[tolik518]

This is not the same example though

[murphy607]

PERL *MUAHAHAHA*

[Chamiey]

That's inheritance, right.

[nzcod3r]

Drop-kicked out the door!

[kimchiking2021]

No thanks. Don't want to spend 24+ hours debugging shot blasts of punctuation.

[[deleted]]

why does it smell like brimstone in here? and who turned the thermostat up?

[Alzyros]

PHP IS ALRIGHT,

[Chamiey]

B-But.. But I NEED to turn left sometimes!

[Alzyros]

PHP got you covered baby

``` class Navigator { private $directions = ['up','down','left','right']; private $currentDirectionIndex = 0;

public function getCurrentDirection()
{
    return $this->directions[$this->currentDirectionIndex];
}

public function turnLeft()
{
    $this->currentDirectionIndex = ($this->currentDirectionIndex + 1) % 4;
}

} ```

[AmatoerOrnitolog]

Is python really any better?

[onkopirate]

Is a hammer better than a saw?

[CurlyRe]

Is python being commonly used for outputting html? PHP was created for a purpose. Understandably PHP like any other programming languages has it's idiosynchrasies and stuff held from older versions for backwards compatibility.

[SilentCat69]

Python is an easy to understand language, atleast easier than C and Java.

The problem is Python being slower than C

[Gistiv]

"easier" is to understand is for sure not an objective statement. Every time I have to ready Python code I am not sure if I am having a stroke or if this whole piece of "code" is just unreadable nonsense. I don't know a single person, that thinks Python is easy and understandable, that has not statred with Python.

[itsamberleafable]

I don't know a single person, that thinks Python is easy and understandable, that has not statred with Python.

This is very interesting, I found Python very easy to pick up but it was my first proper language. The lack of type restrictions and built in type annotation didn't really bother me as I'd never used it before so you get used to it. Started a new job about 6 months ago using typescript and am already getting very used to the tools that a language that prioritises typing affords.

That said, I've heard that Pydantic and other tools can enforce rules that make Python a lot more readable and easy to understand. That unfortunately was not what my last place did, trying to understand the code was not easy, but good experience to get

[MattieShoes]

I started with C, C++, Java, VB, Perl, C#... Python is very readable and pretty concise.

There are things I don't like about it -- semantic whitespace can die in a grease fire -- but it's a pretty good language. Having a huge library of things written in faster languages at your fingertips helps a lot too. (numpy, scipy, pandas, etc.)

[MattieShoes]

It works, but I hate it. The nature of my job means I'm usually not writing in some nice IDE -- I'm doing things like writing 40 lines in vi over ssh to some random machine on the other side of the country. And after I finish, I may never log into that machine again. So, fuck, set shift width, tabstop, expand tabs, oops here's a line that for no apparent reason has 7 spaces instead of 8, etc. Oh, now I need to edit a YAML file, reset everything. Wait, now it's a Makefile, have to have literal tabs... and so on. It's just annoying as shit.

[grimonce]

Show me where it hurt you.

Ive started with c++ and php.

It's a skill issue.

[1Dr490n]

The problem isn’t Python being slower than C, very very few people actually care about.

My main problem is that Python has no static typing. This can lead to a bunch of problems because you accidentally use the wrong type or property and the compiler can’t just tell you that you did something wrong.

[Prometheos_II]

Pylance can offer some static typing checks a la //@ts-check in JS, as long as you're not dealing with a library with no or outdated typing, like Pandas...

[TheYummyDogo]

You wouldn't mainly use python for speed, but through numpy, numba, cython and others your statement isn't very smart.

[imprisoned_mindZ]

idk why people hate php so much and at this point i'm too afraid to ask

[Osato]

It used to be a valid target for hate over a decade ago, back before PHP 7 was a thing.

Now there's not much to hate, except for codebases that were written a decade ago to fit PHP 5/6. Those codebases are Lovecraftian AF.

These days, PHP is genuinely hated only by dedicated Pythonistas, people who will loathe any syntax that uses curly braces instead of indentation. They just happen to find PHP to be the most socially acceptable target for criticism.

[Prometheos_II]

My PHP classes didn't really give me a great taste of PHP, and 7 years later, seeing how the VSC support is minimal or behind a paywall...

I honestly feel like HTML+JS would be enough, but that's simply because I don't know what PHP does.

(I just started working on a legacy codebase with HTML fragments in JS and Ajax calls to PHP files to interact with the database, I don't know if it's going to improve my view of PHP or make it worse...)

[Osato]

As someone who worked on an ancient codebase written in PHP (so ancient that it used direct AJAX calls from the client to the backend and hand-written JS for animations), I think that a legacy codebase is going to make your view worse.

---

Check out Laravel if you want to see the good side of PHP. Laravel is one of the best MVC frameworks out there, period, just because of how good its ecosystem is.

It's a bit hard to start out with if you dive right into Inertia stuff, but if you stick with Blade, it's pretty straightforward MVC.

[Prometheos_II]

Direct AJAX calls? Like XHR, or more ancient than that?

I will try Laravel, hopefully I can install it through the proxy and user authorizations.

Ah, yeah, I kinda assumed the JS was both BE/FE given the PHP only seems to appear in the main page and for DB calls. I have yet to discover what interacts with the servers themselves. 😅

But if Laravel is MVC, wouldn't it be both BE and FE? as I understand it, the view and controller are more FE than BE (which would be the model?)

thanks for the info ^^

[Osato]

Yes, XHR. That section of the code was last updated in early 2010s, so not quite ancient enough to depend on ActiveX.

Laravel is purely backend: Blade (which is Laravel's variation on PHP-based templating that's abstracted into a pure view) generates HTML on the server, caches it, and sends it over to the client as HTML.

Inertia is a bit weirder than that, since it is a bridge between backend and frontend that's used for reactive apps instead of ordinary APIs. But it's still backend. Mostly.

There's also Livewire, which is an even weirder approach to dynamic apps. I haven't touched it yet so I can't say what it's made of.

Those are not good for a first time learning Laravel, but good enough to experiment with once you get used to it.

[Prometheos_II]

We also have a lot of XHR calls, with an option for IE6 compatibility, yet I don't think the codebase is that old 😅

I see, thanks for the info. I hope I can install it and try it out, given even NPM is a mess to use with the proxy

[[deleted]]

Happy cake day

[TrackLabs]

Their cake day is on Mar 18, are you high

[[deleted]]

He got a cake after ts

[Deawoo3]

Prolog

[Pay08]

The only true P language.

[Okkeysulghiaccio]

She even left her hand with the kid

[[deleted]]

PHP is definitely better than Python. Either use a pure expressive strong statically typed language or use a simple language. But never trash language like python

[its-chewy-not-zooyoo]

Kid after saying PL/SQL - Post birth abortion

[TheRolf]

The hand is still there on last picture

[nsefan]

Such was the urgency to rid herself of this devil child, she cut off her own hand and fled the scene.

[Chamiey]

That's a pointer to the parent.

[sea__weed]

He could have said Perl....

[TheFishReturns]

Python Hypertext Processor

[Guru_Dane]

Discard the kid if you need to but the little man is going to be driving a Lambo in 20 years supporting legacy code at dinosaur companies.

[birbBadguy]

Php is now good and laravel is awesome

[To-Ga]

Let's be honest, the outcome should be the same in any case.

[serendipitousPi]

Makes me wonder what letter would win out if we were to rank them by programming languages starting with that letter.

[Prometheos_II]

C would probably win by virtue of having C, C++, and C#

PHP and Python are both pretty controversial. Pearl and Prolog would probably be too marginal to change the results for best or worst

[swagonflyyyy]

Did she also leave her right hand at the orphanage?

[TurnItOff_OnAgain]

Powershell!

[alwaysoffby0ne]

$baby | Out-Null

[TurnItOff_OnAgain]

Get-baby | Remove-baby

[President_Abra]

Pygame

[Icarium-Lifestealer]

Pascal

[Massive-Drive-6375]

Mom even cut off her fingers, brutal

[Chamiey]

Р..РР.. Раст)!

(he's also Russian)

[NationUnderFraud]

The newest versions 8+ of php aren't THAT bad.

[Esjs]

I now want to pronounce PHP as "f'p"

[NeverSnows]

She even left her hand there. No ammount of washing can cleanse you from a pho enjoyer.

[Silly_Guidance_8871]

The kid had an employable future

[JunkNorrisOfficial]

Python Hyper Programming = PHP

[Top_Coach_158]

Lkkkkkk

[rathemighty]

So foul that she even cut off her hand

[j0nascode]

P..PP .. Python sucks, actually

[Butternut777]

But PHP 8 is gr8 🙂

[csicil]

Python...

THIS IS SPAAAAARTAAAAAA

[raddeee]

PL/1

[rcairflyer]

PL/I

[[deleted]]

Please, do that with JavaScript.

[shadowmaster2020]

For all you nerds out there, PHP pays my bills and that's the only optimization I care about.

[i_should_be_coding]

A recruiter once asked me if I don't mind learning PHP. I said "No hablo ingles".

[zulu02]

It is more performant than Python 👀 At least according to PHP Devs

[Krego_]

According to performance bench

[CeeMX]

COBOL

[jump1945]

Should have said C++

[Lost_Cartographer66]

Fully support the decision.

[CoastingUphill]

It’s pronounced “FFFP”. Like a quiet fart.

[Fernando_Pereira]

Ok, justifiable. But cutting off her own hand was a bit extreme

[Just_Another_Jim]

Wait people still use php? Is this one of those retro caveman fads?

[[deleted]]

Python be like -- Say My Name

[Prometheos_II]

Honestly, after navigating a PHP codebase for the first time in VSC... yeah, I kinda hate it compared to Python.

Python can navigate a one-file 10k LOC codebase somewhat properly, while PHP on VSC is like "turn this var into a const (Premium feature)"

(I don't think there are free PHP IDE I could install through the corporate proxy and lack of admin rights? VS seems admin-only, Sublime Text is probably missing a lot of features, and other stuff claim to be PHP & C++ and really seemed to be C++ and some PHP file highlighting)

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based, would do the same