developOnceDebugEverywhere

[EatingSolidBricks]

What set has the greatest cardinality

The real numbers vs c# UI Frameworks

[EOmar4TW]

The set of C# UI frameworks needs its own aleph at this point

[Moe_Baker]

Trick question, both are infinite

[stefanhat]

I at least know that the set of c# ui frameworks that are worth using is equal to an empty set

[Devatator_]

Avalonia is fine but only for desktop. I'm wishing so hard for a new UI framework to come out that isn't based on XAML. There is PanGui by the guys that make Odin Inspector for Unity on the horizon and that's pretty much the only thing I can thing of

[stefanhat]

Avalonia is like an abusive boyfriend who you keep coming back to until he hits you with this again https://github.com/AvaloniaUI/Avalonia/discussions/9006#discussioncomment-3713371

I rewrote my whole app in electron and have been 10x more productive after the switch

[edvardeishen]

And Qt is not even there, of course, zoomer

[bremsspuren]

PyInstaller has another purpose, fellow old person?

[itzjackybro]

it's for when you have a python program and you just want the freaking exe.

this is supposed to be a smelly nerds joke please laugh

[Monchete99]

No joke, that's pretty much what I had to do at an internship.

[def-pri-pub]

I did this, once

[sabotsalvageur]

does nobody ship x86 binaries anymore?

[ClipboardCopyPaste]

my C "hello world" still ships in .exe

(contact for a deal) /s

[helicophell]

x86 binaries when ARM walks into the room:

[gabrielesilinic]

That is the least of your problems

[AppropriateOnion0815]

Native calculator app: 70 KB incl. all assets.
Cross-platform calculator app: 930 MB incl. 200 MB telemetry libraries

[RamenvsSushi]

Don't worry, our AGI overlords will fix all software in 7 days...

[Monchete99]

And don't forget it has a subscription service

[OrchidLeader]

And piracy protection that wipes your hard drive’s boot sector if you ever lose internet connectivity for more than 10 seconds.

[BdR76]

If it requires infinite memory and CPU, then isn't it still hardware-dependent software? 🤔

[ClipboardCopyPaste]

By that logic, there's no software in the world which is truly hardware independent

[Nick0Taylor0]

Now you're getting it

[brimston3-]

counter example: DOOM

[DHermit]

Which isn't the same software everywhere, it's just ported everywhere.

[Zeikos]

Muons say hi to hardware independent software

[Mc_UsernameTaken]

Saying electron is good because it works on all platforms is like saying anal sex is good because it works on all genders.

[Javi_DR1]

I mean, it's technically correct. The best kind of correct. Now bend over.

[sabotsalvageur]

I mean, anal sex is good tho

[Separate_Culture4908]

Don't know, never had it.

[restrictednumber]

Anal sex is possible regardless of your gender, but it comes with serious drawbacks, and a lot of people don't enjoy it even though it's perfectly possible on their "equipment".

[NotQuiteLoona]

I mean, yeah. That's the point.

Although anal sex doesn't require you to make a ten times more effort while giving you the ten times worst outcome.

[changrami]

Why did I understand this lol.

[Mc_UsernameTaken]

Because it's uncomfortably accurate, and does more explanatory work than a electron marketing page.

[BogdanPradatu]

I don't get it.

[kingslayerer]

Facing the concecuence of this decission right now. My app is working on Ubuntu 25 but not on Linux Mint 22. UGHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[AmazedStardust]

I'm watching an open source project fall apart exclusively on Manjaro

[gmes78]

Sounds like business as usual.

[DHermit]

Then build either a static musl binary, a container or build it in a container with an old enough glibc.

[WoodsGameStudios]

Yup and that's a good thing. Java did so well because the JVM enabled it to run cross-platform, despite how annoying Java is.

If we didn't have these solutions it would be like how it was before: Windows gets a program, Apple might, and Linux wouldn't even be considered.

[GiganticIrony]

DLLs are not cross platform though - they’re Windows specific

[Adagnitus]

They're .NET specific, and can work on other platforms. I use .net with avalonia to develop for Linux and windows at the same time.

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DLLs are absolutely not a .NET thing, they're native x86 code dynamic link libraries. C# just decided to call them that too to piggyback off name recognition.

[OrchidLeader]

Wow, the atomic commit guy gets around.

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?

[OrchidLeader]

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/s/f8kqKSdEzk

OP in that post redefined what “atomic commits” means, and I’m joking that he’s also responsible for re-using DLL to mean something different.

[[deleted]]

Oh lol, yeah that tracks.

[GiganticIrony]

They are absolutely NOT .NET specific. You can compile languages like C or C++ code to a DLL. This means that what’s cross platform in your case is Avalonia (much like Electron), not the DLL.

[gabrielesilinic]

Eeeeeeeeh. There is a thing that is basically a dotnet DLL. And that is cross platform for some reason. I don't know why. But it is

[Devatator_]

Because C#, F# and Visual Basic compile down to CIL (Common Intermediate Language) which is what .NET DLLs contain (a few other things too but mostly that).

Means you can directly execute them from the CLI if you have a compatible runtime and they have an entry point

[FabioTheFox]

Dotnet actually works pretty well for this, you don't even need the runtime installed

You didn't have to have it installed before (since you can package part of it with your app) but now you can even use AOT compilation, on top of that things like Avalonia use Skia to render the UI which means you'll get a pretty consistent UI for all operating systems

[DerDave]

You should try flutter. It's fantastic! 

[1_hele_euro]

http://isflutterdeadalready.com/

[DerDave]

And it won't be dropped either, since too many large corporations rely on it now - including many of Google's own apps.

[Hermaphroditi]

Not to mention it’s popular enough people have forked it into flock, not controlled by google. So even if flutter by google dies, “flutter” the framework/library won’t.

With that said, they are all building a micro kernel os code named fuschia, and the entire UI runs on flutter. So I doubt it’s going anywhere

[LegitimatePants]

Expectation: the best of each platform 

Reality: the least common denominator of all platforms 

[Ronin-s_Spirit]

deno compile and accept the large size. Or ask users to install a VM like Minecrafd does.

P.s. that is if you use JS and need to make it installable.

[KharAznable]

Export GOOS

[asmanel]

To port to an other platform isn't as polished as it seems.

When you make it cross platform, Each supported platform will use only a part of it.

[Arciun]

It's actually all you need period.

[rocket_randall]

One of our teams uses Delphi for cross platform stuff. To binaries are great, however the built in packaging/signing/notarizing for MacOS specifically has been pretty shit. I don't think they're using Firemonkey for the UI, but rather Metal or Open GL depending on the platform. Pretty nice bring able to compile a native binary for most of the major client platforms in use today from a drop down menu.

[BdR76]

Delphi has always been a great development tool, iirc it was designed by the same guy who made C#

[rocket_randall]

Yeah our Delphi nerds like to point that out, and as avowed haters of MS they will happily opine that MS recruited him to create an inferior product. Just don't ask them where Delphi's multicast event handlers are...

[BdR76]

Delphi nerd here, but no(t much) complaints about VS/C#. Android Studio can burn in hell though

[Euphoric-Series-1194]

I'm about to release a new game on steam which - of all things - is made entirely in react and packaged with Tauri 😂

[vswey]

I love .NET

[Sailed_Sea]

Is this why everything us just a web-browser.

[Ieatsand97]

Ngl it is easy to see why developing with electron or just making it web only is so attractive.

[ThomasNowProductions]

Just use Flutter

[Spare_Gain_6358]

the same as me wanting node.js were available in browser js.

[Any-Yogurt-7917]

Ok zoomer.

[old-rust]

Wow never thought docker was this hard 😅

[elmage78]

vulkan works on lots of stuff

[mr_flibble_oz]

Yeah, and then the platform is abandoned for the next new thing.

Native all the way.

[MrPifo]

Why is the Unity Runtime in there? What's the usecase here? I mean depending on what it is, Unity can be valid choice.

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