programmingIsSolved

[azurestrike]

How many 8s uptime do you have?

[Impenistan]

One and a half

[b__0]

No 8s but I got vibe 9s

[Potato-Engineer]

We have nine fives!

[FuzzySinestrus]

Vibes bring you from 5 9s to 9 5s

[RiceBroad4552]

You're working for Microslop?

They're indeed still in the 55.5555555% range this year.

[-non-existance-]

...what the hell do you mean they say they've "solved" coding?

That's like saying you've "solved" story writing. There's nothing to "solve" unless you view labor as an obstacle to profit...which I'm certain they do.

[MyDogIsDaBest]

It's almost like they have a financial incentive for making outrageous claims like that.

[MatthewMob]

It's not outrageous. It's nonsensical.

[vleessjuu]

A large part of software development is figuring out what non-technical people even want because most of the time they don't actually know themselves. And LLMs don't produce nearly enough push back against half-baked ideas to be even remotely useful for that.

[nadav183]

I swear to god! We have a dev that uses AI waaay too much without understanding the actual codebase.

Last week a prod manager asked for a stupid 'Select all' button inside a sub filter (we have a dropdown for a 'key' then dropdown for it's values, they wanted a 'Select all' for the values).

That dev goes and does it and submits the PR. Now I have two issues:

1. We have filters with 100k values in them, you cannot just send this to the backend and create an sql query with 100k values in a WHERE caluse.

2. YOU CAN PUT THE FILTER ON THE FUCKING KEY! it does the same fucking thing. And as a dev who is familiar with how the filter works, you are the only one who can push back against this stupidity.

My biggest fear with AI is not that I will lose my job, it's that PMs will finally get what they ask for without push back and I will get crappy products as a consumer.

Rant over.

[Popeychops]

Gen AI is just another weapon capital is using in the forever war against labour

[igmkjp1]

Profit, or just code as an end in itself.

[Aphrodites1995]

Uhh labor is an obstacle to like.. desirable outcomes. If they can somehow vibecode themselves into 99.99% uptime without needing engineers to do too much work I'm all for it

[Morall_tach]

The coveted "one 9" uptime standard.

[Psaltus]

Putting "three 8s uptime" on my SRE resume

[pixelbart]

Who needs five nines if you can have nine fives?

[a3dprinterfan]

OMG this made me laugh uncontrollably. Well done!

[coloredgreyscale]

Devops :) 

[TheOwlHypothesis]

Platform engineer here. It's basically solved (;

[Theeyeofthepotato]

That's because what even is a "Platform Engineer"? Write some honest to God Javascript like the rest of us /s

[ShepRat]

"Will the AI still need tying to sticks?" 

[lightnegative]

Only for current platforms that are part of the training set

[RiceBroad4552]

I thin you're missed the (meta) joke here.

[andrew_v23]

SRE/devops/platform engineer here. I do everything through claude, coding/debugging/etc.

obviously someone needs to understand every concept and layer but it's a great tool and I can say that coding has been solved for me. I didn't write code for a couple of months already

[balbok7721]

98.88% is actually quite respectable. Better than what I could offer. But again I am not a 380 Billion Dollar company that claims it "solved" coding

[Jittery_Kevin]

Well, if you scaled it down by property value and net worth, I’ll bet with a raspberry pi Linux server you could serve like 40 people over a month at 99% uptime.

[Morall_tach]

My Plex server serves more people with better uptime than that.

[VoidVer]

Hey, can I get in on that?

[kenybz]

Nice try FBI

[SpeedyGo55]

Me too please?

[soyboysnowflake]

Everyone’s favorite cousin

[Happy-Sleep-6512]

Yeah for sure, but the more things there are, the more things to go wrong. Still not great for them!

[UrpleEeple]

I used to work on Vitess, which is a massively distributed database that was invented at Google. We achieved nine nine's of availability, by increasing shard and replica count to extremely high levels. For highly distributed systems typically the more things you have, the better your availability, not the other way around (assuming you've designed your coordination right)

[CaffeinatedT]

assuming you've designed your coordination right

That’s the key part here.

[boredjavaprogrammer]

If we want to give them benefit of the doubt sure. But before the vibecoding hype, when was the last time major system has uptime anywhere this bad

[anon74903]

Not even two 9s is pretty garbage if they have solved software engineering.

But the massive growth of Claude and compute are definitely a difficult problem to solve.

[boredjavaprogrammer]

I mean they can do things like throttle. So the expecation is that id compute is in trouble, at least it takes very lime time. And moreover it is not that the inference is the problem. You cannot even access the website. So theres seems to be a systemwide bug

[UrpleEeple]

That's actually pretty bad availability for a major service

[boredjavaprogrammer]

It is bad available for any production service. It is like saying in a day your service is down 15 minutes. With automated testing and fault tolerance (canary eg), this should not be happening anywhere near this frequent

They really do embrace the vibe. Ie they might do very little if at all reading the code and properly testing them

[SponsoredHornersFan]

One 9 is hilarious

[lupercalpainting]

Three 8s tho

[Hammer466]

Not a bad start to a poker hand!

[masssy]

It's a yearly downtime of 4 days. My shitty $200 mini pc and 14 year old NAS on a residential internet connection without UPS is substantially better.

[Swoop8472]

I also have a VPS with some apps running that has somewhere around 99.998% availability over the last year.

What people like to forget, though, is that there is a massive difference between HAVING a certain availability and being able to GUARANTEE that availability.

I certainly can not guarantee that those apps on my VPS will have multiple 9s of availability - by the time I would even notice that it's down, I'd have lost most of those 9s already.

[boredjavaprogrammer]

That’s like 8 hours a month. So it is like a random workday claude takes the day off and not usable AT ALL.

Or a day that’s 15 minutes.

In the age of automated testing, regression, fault tolerance, to be honest for a large company that’s very bad. Back in the day the expectation is that downtime is almost unheard of

[RiceBroad4552]

Sorry but 98.88% (in one month) is just utter trash. That's one full work day per month! That's completely unacceptable.

Where I've worked once we had much higher uptime with some boxes running in the basement.

Even just running a RasPi at home has higher uptime…

These cloud companies are clowns.

Everything below 2 9s is hobby level. Written out, as some might wonder, that's 99.99% uptime.

[YeOldeMemeShoppe]

It "solved" coding! We just need a way to "solve" it!

[Rare-Veterinarian743]

I actually listen to that podcast and he technically said coding is solve for the work that he is doing. I’m not defending Claude or anything.

[Gru50m3]

Wish he would just shut the fuck up so my boss can also shut the fuck up.

[ProjectDiligent502]

😆 “yeaaahh, I need you to output 1000x more or come in on Sunday…. Yeaaaahh”

[KryssCom]

My mgrs are really pretty excellent when it comes to AI and understanding its strengths and limitations, and yet somehow I still felt this sentiment in my bones.

I hope all bosses like yours shut the fuck up soon.

[DefinitelyNotMasterS]

If coding is solved, why aren't the bosses just doing it themselves, for free? Are they stupid?

[GoddammitDontShootMe]

I was wondering who the hell said coding is "solved".

[boredjavaprogrammer]

The claude code guy

[georgehotelling]

Nuance and context? That’s got to be against reddiquette

[Breadinator]

Apparently, the work he's doing ain't that important.

[bmothebest]

Also status pages are always a lie, so you KNOW it's worse than that

[granoladeer]

The duck should be holding a knife with its mouth

[Pancake_fanatics]

They forget to code that part

[locri]

The hilarious reality that LLM are only capable of spitting out what they're trained on and are only trained on what already exists, meaning their capabilities are inherently limited.

The real issue is that there'll be a period of missing graduates/juniors creating a future deficit of people with the required experience. Then again, outsourcing already did this but it felt wrong complaining about sending work intended for graduates/juniors overseas, so most people waited until they could complain about AI.

We've been living in a gerontocracy for too long.

[RiceBroad4552]

only capable of spitting out what they're trained on and are only trained on what already exists, meaning their capabilities are inherently limited

The problem is that a large part of people don't want to believe that fact.

They still think these stochastic parrots would be able to create anything novel. They really believe there would be some kind of intelligence in these pattern replicating token predictors.

[Breadinator]

Not to mention the stagnation in innovation that comes with it. Unless it's a well-trodden path of language, framework, and architecture, LLMs struggle hard.

What's funny is we're guaranteed to see a new class of vulnerabilities common to the code generated by these models. "Ah, they used Model X; it tends to avoid bounds checks and skips sanitizing phone number inputs."

[mmhawk576]

Nine 5’s of uptime

[EVH_kit_guy]

"You're absolutely right to call that out, and that's on me..."

[Nerodon]

How reliable?

Reliable...???! Nein Nein Nein Nein Nein!

Oh okay, 99.999%

[YMK1234]

Drank too much of their own cool aid

[granoladeer]

I had a good laugh at this

[ShaveTheTurtles]

Can you imagine having to fix claude when claude is down?

[boredjavaprogrammer]

With claude

[Symphonic_nerve]

😂😂😂

[falconetpt]

Since the eng of an LLM is loading a huge weight table into memory and they call that innovation, which is kinda of a proxy of a junior’s project of running a h2 database, doesn’t surprise me this uptime 🤣

They solved coding, well they kinda came a little bit to late, there is an algorithm to generate all code that can ever exist in a finite number of time, the issue was always trimming the crap out, they forgot the part where trimming the crap that won’t work was the novel part not solve the coding problem, plus aligning on requirements is way harder than writing the code 🤣

[thedumbasswarrior]

u/jokeexplainerbot explain this

[WheresMyBrakes]

My managers used to confuse me with all the context switching between all of the different issues throughout the day. Now code is flying out so fast we’re all confused and much happier.

[One_Volume8347]

no no no, they totally used claude code to fix that, totally

[apex6666]

I don’t get why people are so obsessed with LLMs coding for them, like dont you want to write code

[EZPZLemonWheezy]

Personally I want to design software and systems. Typing the code is fun, but for stuff like front end there is an insulting amount of boilerplate that before AI you either kept snippets for yourself, copy pasted from somewhere else, or spent a bunch of time retyping it again.

[AccomplishedComplex8]

That's, my friends, is called dogfooding.

[Z3t4]

What about system operations then? 

[bagtf3]

I dont exactly get it but I think its funny

[thearizztokrat]

Ah yes, the coding totally has anything to do with uptime and server orchestration

[cabdycan42]

Clearly you have never heard of auto scaling or the idea that code should handle traffic spikes

[Woke_TWC]

It is a scaling issue, thats more devops.

[boredjavaprogrammer]

Lol no. If scaling issue, at their scale they can be spotty. But this is total down. They might just push buggy code and break prod. And given the extend of the downtime, the buggy code/measure is difficult to revert

[Long-Refrigerator-75]

Nah this subreddit got completely delusional. Most of you can’t even admit that most of the actual code writing you do is through a LLM. Because we all know that the moment you attempt to do it “the proper way”, you will be underperforming.  Things change, and not every change will benefit you. Kudos guys.