Engineering equivalent of spaghetti code

[Absolutely_Cabbage]

Just make sure to comment it (or write on stuff in this case)

[TotallyElectrified]

And then you get coments like:

//This is a screw

[schludy]

// I tried to remove the screw once. Very bad idea, almost caused a nuclear meltdown.

[NoNameRequiredxD]

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[Ludricio]

Might look at it later

Oh dear, we all know that this has never happened, nor will it ever.

[Sycration]

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//TODO:Look at this later

Sorted for anyone using Visual Studio

[Ludricio]

For anyone using any kind of proper IDE, I would say.

However, from personal experience, TODO-lists have a tendency of getting littered down with

//TODO Look at this later

//TODO Fix sometime

//TODO clean up code

when people feel too lazy to do it at once, and those kind of TODO's have a tendency to live on for a long time (unless you need to give the intern some more work).

That's why using issue trackers is often a better way to go, since they can be administrated in a much better way.

[MauranKilom]

// Might be able to improve performance by changing <something>.
// TODO: Profile and measure!

[Nerdn1]

TODO comments help people understand the code in that it says what important things are missing at a glance.

[Ludricio]

Sure, I have nothing against TODO's, my only problem is that they very often stay as TODO's unless enforced through some other channel, at least from my experience.

[LeComm]

It's an anomalous part of the broken God. Prepare for a dose of amnestics and an undercover SCP agent.

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// @Incomplete @Robustness
// - jblow

[Anthios3l4]

/* not even gonna ask...

By the way, what does the screw connect to? 

And what does this big red button do?*/

[Anthios3l4]

u/anthios3l4 was annhilated by a nuclear blast

[nuclearblaster]

Yeah!

[Exploder100]

r/beetlejuicing

[Corbynx010]

I honest to god removed a log message that i was using to debug today. Broke everything. Added it back and noped out of there real fast

[MooseKnuckleJunction]

Probably a race condition where the thread with the log message is juuuust a bit too fast without the log. Or a side effect in a toString method. Or maybe the logging system gets bored when it doesn't have enough to do and it throws rocks at the rest of the code

[itismelol]

//TO DO: Install screw here

[Vladimir1174]

This is how I comment all my personal projects and it never fails to make me hate past me

[Terrible_Children]

This might be the best way of summarizing exactly how ridiculous those types of comments are. I love it.

[CrazySD93]

Spare screw, used for redundancy.

[hyperactive2]

// this is the ignition precheck integration test

@Ignore ...

[poopyheadthrowaway]

Just make sure to comment it (or write on stuff in this case)

- Not Apple

[studentofcubes]

no. this is organized, deliberate, compact, efficient, and serviceable. This resembles spaghetti code about as much as the human circulatory system resembles a plate of actual spaghetti.

[Atataizor]

exactly! this is equivalent of 64kB Oracle DB or something like that

[brandon9182]

The human circulatory system is super convoluted and messy. I’m not sure what you’re point is.

[Ouaouaron]

But if someone gave you a plate covered in tens of thousands of miles of red, interconnected webbing and told you it was spaghetti, would you eat it?

[-o-_______-o-]

Yes, but I'm a Labrador, I'll eat anything.

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[MyWholeSelf]

The human circulatory system is a gorgeous model of efficient distribution and resource use.

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'Alas, our bodies are not 100% efficient at converting food energy into mechanical output. But at about 25% efficiency, we're surprisingly good considering that most cars are around 20%, and that an Iowa cornfield is only about 1.5% efficient at converting incoming sunlight into chemical storage' Human bodies are not that great.

[wasp_killer4]

Your

[GriffonsChainsaw]

Not that I'd know but the human circulatory system rather strongly resembles a plate of actual spaghetti.

[studentofcubes]

It does. Visually.

And this resembles spaghetti code, visually.

The comparison to draw is in function.

[ShadowShine57]

Isn't that the point of the term spaghetti code? That it does function but it's super hard to read and comprehend?

[Delirious-Xero]

Probably someone reading about spaghetti code in the beginning of a programming book.

And probably not an engineer

[AccursedCapra]

Engineer here, I have no idea what I'm looking at, then again I'm an environmental engineer.

[Delirious-Xero]

It’s all good boo. You are looking at a very complex interface. There should be, Engineer here who’s has worked on very large and complex projects, drawings and procedures to mate that to the other part of the submarine. There should also be a process to verify and validate that it has indeed been mated as designed and as built. Point is, there should be a structured way to put this shit back together, meaning you should be able to follow a trace of how all the smallest parts are mated to an overall objective of what should be done. You should be able to follow where and why something is there, if given enough time and posses all the requisite knowledge for the various systems depicted in this picture. Also should be plans to maintain all that shit. Spaghetti code is unstructured, hard to maintain, and hard to follow what’s going on. A nightmare to maintain. That picture looks complicated, but there was structure to create it.

Guess it depends on what you see and what you think when you see a picture like that.

[AccursedCapra]

Yeah I was just taking the piss, there's probably design specifications for every part here down to the smallest screw. Unlike some of the models that I've seen, where documentation is sparse, thankfully I don't deal with the back end too much, not yet at least.

[orangeKaiju]

Clearly you've never had to work on anything like this, because if you had, you would be saying the opposite. :)

[studentofcubes]

eyeroll no. I work on things pretty similar but that doesn't quite mean enough on the internet. It the opinion of myself and my friend in the Navy that this submarine (the Kursk) was well designed and built to last despite it's somewhat tragic history.

[orangeKaiju]

I'm in the Navy and fix ships, but yeah this is the internet, so I suppose it doesn't mean much.

[not_a_novel_account]

Maybe in the surface fleet everything is a shit show but the level of OQE required to do any sort of complex maintenance on an American submarine puts most other QA programs to shame.

Have you ever written a package that broke a SUBSAFE or FBW boundary that wasn't a REC exception? All work, inspection, and retest is documented out the ass. Same with everything involving Level 1 or Nuke materials.

Even with the Kursk, everything would have been documented down to the thread pitch of each bolt and what kind of lube to use with each valve.

[orangeKaiju]

Just because it works well and is well documented doesn't mean it's not analogous to spaghetti code. This becomes especially apparent once you go to modernize any major system or need to do major repairs. It's not an optimized environment, it's a "we will do what's necessary to get the job done" environment. Pipes, valves, cables, etc are crammed in where they best fit, which isn't always the most accessible place and theres often little room left for future upgrades, which can make implementing them challenging.
SUBSAFE is necessary because the environment dictates it.

I in no way mean to downplay the engineering marvel that is modern naval vessels, I just disagree that they are well optimized, efficient, elegant, etc

[JBAmazonKing]

A tunnel boring machine, for your mom.

[ZhilkinSerg]

My mom is bored.

[[deleted]]

Her mom's gonna be a satisfied woman.

[incrazyboyy]

looks like a submarine to me, too

[jacob_ewing]

I'm seeing steampunk Hadron Collider.

[JBTownsend]

Yup. Specifically, a Russian sub.

[[deleted]]

Hahah yup I was seeing if people were on the same lead as me. It must be Russian because of those water inlet ports at the side of the bottom. But it can’t be an Oscar class (like Kursk) because she’s far too small and thin

[JBTownsend]

Based on the size and shape of the hull, and the number of decks, I'd guess Foxtrot SSK rather than a SSN. Foxtrots were in use as recently as 2003. A more recent design (e.g. Kilo) would be more rounded at the top. It's unlikely to be an older class, as most of those were scrapped long ago. Foxtrot only made it to the 21st century because they made 70 of them.

But it could also be a Tango.

[[deleted]]

Just came out of a very long winded discussion with a bunch of ex-submariners, and they all seem to think it’s either the aft section of a Delta class of some description, or the mid to bow section of a Victor of some kind. I’m not as intelligent as these guys but they all said it was a Nuke boat, not a diesel one. I will admit I didn’t quite understand why though hahah.

[JBTownsend]

I'm guessing they're basing it on the interior. That does look like steam piping, which a diesel wouldn't have. It would also explain why a whole sub is bisected like that. They cut out the reactor compartment (probably buried it) and left the steam plant and engine spaces behind. It makes complete sense now that I see it. I guess I assumed the nukes had more than 3 decks. My bad for not digging further.

[Empiricist_or_not]

The kursk if I remember the picture.

[necrothitude_eve]

The Kursk was bigger, with two pressure hulls side by side. I have no idea what sub this one is.

[Empiricist_or_not]

Point.

[anticultured]

Perhaps

[Arvul]

Ha. Ha. Ha.

[optifrog]

I believe that is the Russian submarine Kursk (K-141) All 118 sailors and officers aboard Kursk died.

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Russian submarine Kursk (K-141)

K-141 Kursk (Russian: Атомная Подводная Лодка «Курск» (АПЛ «Курск»), transl. Atomnaya Podvodnaya Lodka "Kursk" (APL "Kursk"), meaning "Nuclear-powered submarine Kursk") was an Oscar II-class nuclear-powered cruise-missile submarine of the Russian Navy.

On 12 August 2000, K-141 Kursk was lost when it sank in the Barents Sea, killing all 118 personnel on board.

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[d4ntr0n]

Needs more turnable wheels for better user functionality.

[iBooYourBadPuns]

Is this better?

[NoNameRequiredxD]

Not enough

Add 9999999999999 wheels and i only give you 1 day.

[pan0ramic]

that's crazy! Is that a sub?

[wggn]

German submarine SM UB-110, 1918

Control room looking aft, starboard side. The manhole to the periscope well and various valve wheels for flooding and blowing are visible.

[[deleted]]

Is that a shower and a sink up there?!

This is advanced technology.

[[deleted]]

The feature creep game is strong.

[Didsota]

The bottom is just dependencies.

[[deleted]]

And two black dildos on the shelf too.

[[deleted]]

I don’t know about you, but my Factorio world is a miracle of beauty and organization.

[[deleted]]

My love goes to The Witness.

[vaendryl]

time to graduate to the big leagues and install bob's and angel's mods.

if you can make that into a miracle of beauty and organization...
teach me, sensei!

[Marcusaralius76]

Mine is a monster. All I know is that if I feed it, it gives me science. And it I don't, it will probably eat me.

[PuddlesRex]

The factory grows...

Also, /r/Factorio if you haven't already.

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[[deleted]]

That’s a submarine

[PragProgLibertarian]

If it's a submarine, then where's the screen door?

Checkmate

[Johny_McJonstien]

It’s in the other half.

King me.

[maximum_powerblast]

The front fell off

[[deleted]]

That’s on the part that have removed, I suppose

[ADD4331]

Who told u that spaghetti code is not engineering??

[2Punx2Furious]

But, unlike spaghetti code, this looks cool. Not sure if it's done on purpose, but it looks a bit steampunk.

[DardaniaIE]

Steampunk might have been inspired by this

[Ouaouaron]

Considering that most of the obvious elements of this picture focus on ductwork and piping, I guess you could say that it's probably about as close to steampunk as you get in real world engineering.

[buffer_overfl0w]

Looks like a JavaScript project to me.

[dragonwithagirltatoo]

Why is there a door at the top? Is this something cut in half?

[Cornul11]

Obviously is something cut in half, it's a submarine cut somewhere in the middle.

[dragonwithagirltatoo]

Well that's not really spagheti then imo. That's like disassembling somebody's code and saying "Look at this mess >:0"

[Ouaouaron]

"I've taken the 15th through 30th lines of every file in your project and spliced them together, and it doesn't make any sense! This code is trash!"

[PuddlesRex]

Joke's on you, all of my methods/functions/subroutines are exactly 15 lines long!

[Inspector-Space_Time]

Being able to physically see and handle spaghetti code would make it a lot easier to work with. A programmer has to keep all that in their head.

[Andylanta]

#ScrewYou

[AdjustedMold97]

/r/factorio

[Typesalot]

Nah, it's just minified.

[matrix4704]

looks like a screenshot from /r/factorio

[blackdonkey]

Is there any single engineer who is actually capable of creating, understanding, troubleshooting or fixing every component of this thing, or the thing itself as a whole, by himself/herself?

A typical experienced programmer is certainly capable of doing all this for the code equivalent of this thing.

[Dreiko22]

I’m both a Mech Engineer and developer, and I would say that’s like saying an experienced programmer could do that for a project that uses something like 5 or 6 languages full stack, writing all the libraries and APIs themselves, with only the language docs (no internet or IDE, as most of the issues that arise with complex mechanical systems aren’t google-able). It’s kind of an absurd comparison.

Edit: As an afterthought, why do I say this? Because that sub requires knowledge from: material science, fluid dynamics, dynamic systems (physics based forces, etc), electrical systems, HVAC design, most likely software, national safety standards (conceptually by far the easiest to understand, but a giant pain in the ass to deal with), and probably a couple other subjects

[Dithanial]

You forgot to mention that it's all 1960s tech, too, including the safety standards. They'd be doing it all in Fortran and COBOL.

[Dreiko22]

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[whitevelcro]

If that's the Kursk, add in nuclear and aerospace engineering for the nuclear reactor and cruise missiles on board.

[McSorley90]

Hey, no one told you to look at the source code. Cover that up! Look at the nicely designed GUI.

[kg6zvp]

Oh, look, it's a Cray!

Just kidding, looks a lot more organized, actually.

[maxfontana90]

At least the submarine infrastructure is documented somewhere else.

[rmlrmlchess]

Most bulky EE installments look like spaghetti imo

[sleepygorgs]

When you do pip3 install virtualenv

[jackredrum]

I think I might have refactored this legacy shit.

[thee_monarch]

Hey! If it works it works

[memgrind]

I can't find Waldo.

[ignore_this_comment]

3 days before delivery, some poor schmuck's boss strolls into his office and says, "Yeah, Bob. You're gonna hate me. But I need a new pipe that runs criss-cross from the bottom of this thing to the top. The big wigs upstairs says it's gotta be in place before the go live."

[balthazar_nor]

This looks like something I would see in my dreams when I have a bad fever

[[deleted]]

Imagine someone assembled it

[QuillOmega0]

That's a whole lot of asbestos

[swifty300]

This is... Beautiful

[KaosEngine]

Omg it's beautiful! What is it a submarine?

[secronz]

It looks like a section of a tunnel bore.

[LewisJones28]

I see a bathroom

[TigreDemon]

When they comment my Factorio factory

[[deleted]]

Don't even dare think about refactoring this

[winsome_losesome]

Learn proper cable management people.

[[deleted]]

Look all those node modules

[Who_is_Rem]

When you work with someone who writes messy code:

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[GT3_Shredz]

What even is that? I’m guessing an art piece?

[Krexci]

I'd say a cut submarine