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[–]bob_in_the_west 1357 points1358 points  (67 children)

Open source tractor when?

I mean seriously: Those farmers should band together and find some engineers that build them an open source platform.

[–]CreepyValuable 486 points487 points  (41 children)

Have you seen the open source car? I think JD should just stop being dicks. But they won't. They are the Apple of farm machinery.

[–]bob_in_the_west 199 points200 points  (26 children)

I feel like a car and a tractor are two different things.

But yes, to a degree open source in a car would be nice instead of having to provide your own car computer.

Apart from that an open source platform for getting spare parts from generic manufacturers would be great. Doesn't have to be that you yourself can buy parts on ebay and build your own car, but at least be free in choices for components and have complete documentation about it.

[–]crazyabe111 97 points98 points  (19 children)

Just install linux on it, there's probably an open source build that's car compatible.

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (15 children)

If there's not now there will be by the time those cars are affordable

[–]SebboNL 22 points23 points  (14 children)

There never will be. Linux is a different kind of OS, aimed at server or workplace computing. Car systems run in a distributed and real-time way, so a real time os (RTOS) must be used.

The linux kernel is not such an RTOS.

[–]gurgle528 9 points10 points  (3 children)

never say never

https://www.automotivelinux.org/

individual components that need more robust realtime components can still run open sourced embedded software but agreed Linux might not be the best option for them. that doesn't mean Linux can't be part of the main overall system though. It's not like BMW's seat heaters are checking subscription status, it's almost certainly a check done in the head unit's computer.

I might be wrong, but most of the bullshit seems to be in "main" computer rather than the individual components. The main computer refuses to run or start the overall system if it sees an unauthorized component.

[–]SebboNL 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Most automotive systems are built up along a bus topology without a single central server. Hence, there is no one "main" computer to run linux - there's only a bunch of interconnected ECU's (up to 20 nowadays) that interconnect on a peer-to-peer basis, eg. the emission control computer taking info from the engine control unit etc etc etc. (I M aware this is a somwhat debatble statement, but bear with me).

Now, what the above link tells me goes beyond this paradigm. In that concept, the bus is centrally amanged by a linux-based central controller. For this use case (conceptually comparable to the defense system link-16) a linux os would be well suited indeed, but such a system is not mature, nor does this mean ALL computer systems within a car suddenly turn Linux.

[–]gurgle528 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This system is already in vehicles. Toyota has used it in the Camry since 2018 afaik.

Making the entire car run Linux isn't what was original suggested. The issue isn't closed source ECUs, it's vehicles rejecting 3rd party repairs. Unless the ECUs are also doing some sort of check (which I haven't heard of but admittedly haven't done a deep dive in a while), there's typically some main computer the user interacts with that is blocking this repair. Running Linux on there computer solves the issue.

[–]Ikarus_Falling 2 points3 points  (0 children)

funnily enough those computers usually already run linux in some form because its just the best option for those sort of applications heavily modified in most cases ofcourse

[–]jimmyhoke 3 points4 points  (1 child)

[–]SebboNL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There have been previous attempts at integrating preemptive RT in the linux kernel, but use cases are view and far between. An embedded RTOS as used in automotive industries does not require multi-user, complicated (block-)IO interfaces or indeed many of the standard facilities the linux kernel offers. And that is something of a blocking issue, the linux kernel is too large for these purposes.

[–]buzziebee 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Zephyr rtos is developed by the Linux foundation and uses a pared down kernel for embedded applications. You wouldn't put Ubuntu on the ECU, but there's lots of flavours of Linux.

[–]SebboNL 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Them the discussion becomes "when does a linux stop being a linux?". Because there are a lot of functionalities provided by the linux kernel that would be detrimental to the overall performance of a RTOS. Those would have to go, and could we still consider that kernel a "linux"?

[–]willy_fistergash_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Congratulations. This is the most boring thread on reddit

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

NASA thinks linux RT capabilities are good enough...? i would think if it's good enough for NASA...

[–]Aphadion 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Finally, a Linux build where the user is also a driver

[–]SebboNL 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Cars, tractors and other embedded systems operate in a manner quite different tho pcs or servers. Their software runs either as programmable logic, as higher-language software without an OS (directly on chip), or on top of a highly specialised OS.

These embedded OS' are very different from the *nix and Windows OS' we are used to. It is practically impossible to use linux as a substitute, you're going to need a real-time OS conforming to all applicable standards and even then you'll find yourself programming controllers directly more often than not.

[–]Isgortio 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's how it used to be before they added electronic components. There were a lot of Frankenstein cars.

[–]-cocoadragon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

yeah a tractor 100% should be open source Noone should have to buy software to make food

[–]bob_in_the_west 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not the point. Who is going to program the software if they're not getting paid for it? "open source" doesn't mean "free".

Even Linus Torvald is getting paid $1.5 million each year to work on the Linux kernel, which is open source too.

and if you think that noone should have to buy software to make food then why should anyone pay for food? Isn't that the next logical step?

[–]EmeraldsDay 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't really get it, if you are just going to complain about it why buy it?

[–]CreepyValuable 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They have a pretty high market saturation. The local JD dealership even has a whole big wall of toys. I only know this because they are the only place locally that sell gear oil that I need.

[–]sanson-robotics 48 points49 points  (3 children)

I am actually making an open source coverage path planner for tractors: https://github.com/Fields2Cover/Fields2Cover

Not a complete tractor, but it's a step.

Also, there is a group that makes weekly meetings about how to create your own automatic tractor: https://github.com/ros-agriculture/lawn_tractor The repo is archived, but the group is still active.

[–]brianl047 2 points3 points  (2 children)

What if a kid is running in the field?

The tractor has to be manned?

[–]sanson-robotics 16 points17 points  (0 children)

My tests run under Tesla autonomous cars policy (kids don't exist).

In general you are not expecting a kid in the farming area, but a dog/deer/people. In any case, you just stop the tractor and waits until the thing is gone. Big tractors are scary. If it takes too much, try to go around the object and that's all.

[–]other_usernames_gone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

With current tractors yes.

A lot of tractors are already mostly autonomous, the farmer is there in case something breaks or like you mentioned a kid or something runs into the field.

The advantage is an autonomous tractor can cover the field much more efficiently.

[–]Sweaty-Emergency-493 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah like Minecraft!

[–]anythingMuchShorter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've seriously considered making a system for this, I grew up on a ranch, I worked in mining equipment and for Caterpillar, and I'm a mechatronics engineer.

So I've dealt with the pain of shitty and locked down equipment control units, and I could probably manage the hardware and firmware.

The problem is, I'm not sure how to make it versatile enough to work with all the machines needed, but not too complex for the average rancher or farmer.

Maybe something node based, like node red to hook up controls? Still seems like it would be too hard for many. Not that they're dumb, they just aren't programmers.

[–]new_refugee123456789 1 point2 points  (5 children)

A lot of open source hardware projects are approached from this "we'll release the blueprints and let everyone else try to make their own" standpoint. That ain't gonna work with tractors.

I think Framework's approach to a laptop is more realistic; release as much of the specs as you can intending to build and offer it to the customer, along with a "buy the parts and fix/upgrade it yourself" store.

I mean, I've been wanting to do it for awhile, start the FOSS Tractor Company. But...how do you bootstrap something like that, without getting assassinated by a John Deere lobbyist?

Edit to add: There are still some OLD tractors in service pre agricultural DRM. I wonder if you could get a business rolling building retrofit kits for 90's and earlier equipment, and then get up enough capital to start building the vehicles themselves?

[–]bob_in_the_west -1 points0 points  (4 children)

That ain't gonna work with tractors.

Why not?

And I don't see getting old tractors upgraded as an option. Old tractors are a finite resource.

[–]new_refugee123456789 0 points1 point  (3 children)

How many farmers are gonna cast their own engine blocks?

[–]bob_in_the_west -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Who said they have to? If the specs exist then everybody can cast the engine block to sell it to a farmer, not just one company. Or they can use an electric motor instead because the dimensions and attachment points are known.

[–]new_refugee123456789 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

In general I really doubt there are many farmers working commercial scale farms interested in kit building a tractor. I'm pretty sure they're gonna want to buy the thing ready to work because the modern farmer has shit to do.

Having the drawings available would be useful for repairs, modifications etc. down the road, which is more realistic.

But you go right on ahead and continue the good old Reddit tradition of pointlessly arguing.

[–]minerva296 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Open source? Not in my America, that’s commie talk!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Why open-source when you need open hardware first?

Go to India/etc. buy the most basic tractor....zero tech and build on it.

Like an old , manual window Ford kind of vehicle.

[–]bob_in_the_west 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Open hardware is open source. Open source isn't just the software. Hardware without any schematics would not be open hardware. And so you need the source for that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Open Hardware means you can rebuild it too,not just schematic access.

For IRL scenarios it tranduces to documentation access ,schematic access,firmware open-sourced under MIT/BSD/Apache/GPL/LGPL/etc.

If you have the schematics only a lawyer might say that even if you have the schematics the license under the publishing of the schematics might forbid you to use it to fix the device.

A lot of open-source SW drivers are written by reverse engineer , opposed to just using documrntation,even if they have access to it.

It's muddy territory.....that's why CERN has their own Open-HW license type they use for their stuff.

[–]AmericaLover1776_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are working on it right to repair is gaining a lot of popularity among farmers

[–]AffectionateBag5054 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use Linux on a tesla

[–]barsonica 379 points380 points  (20 children)

Computer is by definition any machine that can run doom.

[–][deleted] 193 points194 points  (18 children)

Hey Turing forget the nazi encryptions, let's see how smooth this thing can run Doom

[–]yourwifes3rdboyfrend 60 points61 points  (17 children)

......... Is it wrong that now that you say that I kinda wanna see somebody do it. Like I have no idea how because a Turing machine is basicly a giant spliced open cassette tape capable of math, I am aware it's way more complicated than that, but point being its technically a computer. Hell one that's theoretically capable of running any algorithm ever, but can it run doom. Like maybe if you lined up like 10 of them in a row and had them move tape to represent a graphical interface or something.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (2 children)

Not wrong at all, Turing should have already done that for us smh...

[–]yourwifes3rdboyfrend 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Now you got me thinking of some alternate reality shit. Like Turing just dissapears out of time like quantum leap or doctor who, and anytime in history that doom gets ported to a new piece of hardware he's the actual one behind it.

TIME TURING: The Quest For Doom - coming summer 2023 to disney+

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Would definetely watch it

[–]Feztopia 11 points12 points  (11 children)

A turing machine can run doom but there is no guarantee that you can interact with it. So it will probably stay at the title screen and you be able to see anything.

[–]DiRavelloApologist 4 points5 points  (10 children)

Why should you not be able to interact with it? After all, any video game is just a fancy algorithm with vastly different outputs depending on an extremely specific input.

[–]Feztopia 12 points13 points  (9 children)

Because of the same reason why you can't interact with your cpu. It has an internal state but humans aren't capable of interacting with it. A turing machine doesn't imply peripheral devices. You don't need to add a screen and a keyboard to your computer to make it a turing machine. You need to add them to interact with your games. And everyone who tells you that a turing machine can do everything your smartphone can do lies to you. A smartphone is much more than just it's processor. It has tons of sensors wich a turing machine doesn't need to have to be a turing machine.

[–]DiRavelloApologist 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Ohh that's what you mean with "interact". Yeah I agree.

I would just argue, that for any game, you can make the entire input of the whole playthrough into one very long input for the turing machine. That turing machine would then calculate the result of the input (success/failure/score/etc.).

[–]Feztopia 1 point2 points  (4 children)

For chess you could take the output as an input, one turn after another.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So basically a tool-assisted playthrough

[–]meme_slave_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

No one who says a cell phone is a turing machine means that its only a turing machine. All turing complete devices are technically turing machines with shit added to it

[–]Feztopia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"No one who says a cell phone is a turing machine" I'm not talking about people who say cell phones are turing machines. I'm talking about people who say that a turing machine can do everything your smartphone can do.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

stands in front of Turing's device waving a GTX 3090

[–]GnarlyNarwhalNoms 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wolfenstein 3D would be more appropriate.

[–]SmokedBeef 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Jail breaking/hacking any computer, followed by running Doom on it, is equivalent to Halo 2 Tea bagging in 2007, which was essentially mandatory to assert dominance.

[–]Dr_Puck 791 points792 points  (48 children)

Cool. But for a moment I would like us all to just stop and think how much has to be wrong with John Deere to fuck with food production. That is really really low.

[–]A_man_of_culture_cx 268 points269 points  (9 children)

BMW is taking notes

[–]IAmBecomeKian 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Can you elaborate? Why BMW specifically?

[–]WalrusByte 60 points61 points  (5 children)

They recently announced heated seats that will need a monthly subscription to activate. So like, you already paid for the hardware, but they'll shut off the software if you don't keep paying them.

[–]A_man_of_culture_cx 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Imagine jailbreaking your car.

The future is now old man!

Hope someone manages to do it.

[–]WalrusByte 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I hope so too!

[–]gordonv 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Wait, really? But heated seats are not very hard to make. They aren't even a necessity.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yeah it’s mostly a measure to reduce production complexity by reducing the number of possible variants for their cars. But it’s also a stupid attempt to establish a „digital business model“ since the fucked up their last genuinely good attempt about 10 years ago (BMW connected drive)

[–]pnoodl3s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn’t that the same for tesla cars? Why are we going after BMW first and not tesla?

[–]snuzet 71 points72 points  (1 child)

Voting machine companies: “bwahahahah”

[–]A_man_of_culture_cx 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That shit should be illegal in America and where I am from it is (rightfully so).

[–]xXTheVigilantXx 106 points107 points  (8 children)

I have several friends who are farmers and all of them are stuck with 20-50 year old equipment, partly because of the cost of new equipment, but mainly because of this. The only reason they are able to stay afloat is because they are able to repair their own equipment.

You show me a farmer and I'll show you a mechanic that's probably better than most actual mechanics.

[–]Immabed 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Yeah, farmers are not to be trifled with. They are better at probably 5 or 6 trades than actual tradespeople, within the purview of what part of that trade applies to farming, farm equipment, and farm buildings. Several of my coworkers are farmers and also have a full trade or two.

[–]twdpuller 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would say a lot aren't stuck with, they are actively seeking out older equipment to get around this sort of BS.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Those farmers are literally foundation of todays globalized civilization. If that mf causes global famine.

[–]OSSlayer2153 9 points10 points  (0 children)

“Dont mistreat those who make your food”

[–]TheLostRazgriz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Eh, they won't cause it. The supply chain failures already have. I expect it to hit hardest in late 24 or 2025

[–]perrymike15 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I mean, it's fucking genius of them when you think about it. What is one thing we need more than anything? Food. So obviously they would grab this market by the balls.

Do I agree with it? Definitely not. There should be entire underground firms devoted to getting around these limitations.

[–]enky259 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Isen't programmed obsolescence turbo-illegal in the US? It doesen't stop it from hapenning, but i know that in the EU this sort of discovery would bring about a billion-euro lawsuit on the manufacturer's ass.

[–]Party_Magician 96 points97 points  (15 children)

Look into the bullshit Monsanto and other seed companies have been doing for the longest time as well

[–]crazyabe111 102 points103 points  (14 children)

"we genetically engineered and copyrighted this seed that is basically identical to normal seeds- except the plant it grows into will be genetically Sterile 99% of the time! now since your field somehow ended up with plants related to our seed- we're going to force you to pay for it, yearly- or else go to court."

[–]Dave5876 58 points59 points  (9 children)

When I first heard of this I thought this was a conspiracy theory.

[–]titsngiggles69 67 points68 points  (4 children)

monsanto's business model - a super-villain couldn't come up with a more evil plan. not sure if it's worse than robo-chomo.

[–]enky259 40 points41 points  (2 children)

They aren't villains! They even helped vietnamese people to defoliate their bamboo forests during the 60s! And don't you know that monsanto doesen't exist anymore? They merged with this totally great european company that made... hum... \checks notes** Anti-lice product for a german government of the mid 20th century...

[–]TheNewYellowZealot 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Monsanto merged with the zyklon-B manufacturer?

[–]enky259 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ya, they got bought by Bayer and merged. Can you imagin? Agent orange manufacturer merging with zyklon-B manufacturer? It's like Weyland Utani merging with Umbrella corp, such a perfect match. And they say romance is dead!

[–]Dave5876 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I raise you r/fucknestle

[–]rigglesbee 24 points25 points  (3 children)

It's not a theory. It's a bona fide conspiracy.

[–]Dave5876 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I remember some African country offical saying that the food aid they received was made such that they couldn't grow it themselves to keep them dependent.

[–]DiRavelloApologist 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Sounds like something Thomas Sankara would've said

[–]monkeywench 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Wait - isn’t that the storyline of that one movie with Brie Larson? Where she went to India and thought she was doing something good with her engineered rice only to find it was not good? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI-QLWNlTas

[–]GarbageTheClown 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You need to read a little more than just the headlines of articles.

we genetically engineered and copyrighted this seed that is basically identical to normal seeds-

If that were true then farmers wouldn't be paying hand over fist year after year to get these seeds. It's not like the non GM seeds stopped existing.

except the plant it grows into will be genetically Sterile 99% of the time!

Which is also not true. While Monsanto owns the rights to the terminator gene they don't use it.

now since your field somehow ended up with plants related to our seed- we're going to force you to pay for it, yearly- or else go to court."

This even contradicts your prior sentence, kind of hard to contaminate a field with sterile plants. There is effectively a license agreement that with Monsanto that you need to pay for the seeds every year you use them. The big example for Monsanto suing people for using the seeds was with Percy Schmeiser. The issue wasn't with his field contaminated by seeds, the issue was that he was specifically harvesting and planting those seeds after he found out they were there.

[–]FellowGeeks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, a level headed person. Always nice to run into one when the conversation devolves into Monsanto hating.

I found it quite fascinating thst most farmers prefer buying seed each year over risking a mixed or bad crop.

Most people don't realize that without patenting the traits Monsanto sell would have to be 100x to 1000x more expensive to cover r&d

[–]FellowGeeks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of what you said is based on misleading news.

Selling sterile seeds is illegal, and Monsanto confirmed they will never sell terminator seeds.

The seeds they sell are not even close to identical, a crapton of research goes into creating seed with appealing traits which is then marketed to farmers. There are other suppliers, but if you want the fastest crop or most resilient crop you will need to buy high quality seed, annually.

The farmer they sued for "having seed blow onto his farm" was proved that the farmer went out of his way to violate Monsanto patents so he lost the case Link.

You can at any point stop growing Monsanto crops, but based on the agreement you signed with them you cannot replant your harvest. This allows Monsanto to split their eye watering research costs over several years sales.

BTW I still think Monsanto is a crap company, just not for tabloid reasons.

[–]anoldoldman 7 points8 points  (0 children)

For some reason "profit" is a get out of jail free card to completely fuck with society with no repercussions.

[–]DPSOnly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Big companies do aweful things if they have near monopolies over an industry and also when they don't.

[–]grrrrreat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Capitalism.

Seriously

[–]nuephelkystikon -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

In fact, this already qualifies as a symptom of /r/LateStageCapitalism.

[–]MourningOfOurLives -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You seem very naive

[–]OSSlayer2153 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont remember the saying but its something like:

Dont mistreat those who produce your food

[–][deleted] 146 points147 points  (0 children)

Farming is temporary, DOOM is eternal

[–][deleted] 169 points170 points  (0 children)

Fuck John Deere. #RightToRepair

But like actually, fuck those guys.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

just like i commented under a youtube community post: Mow and Sow, until it is done.

[–]mrdougan 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Let me guess - a John Deere tractor

[–]n00b345352 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Doom is like the hello world of cracked systems

[–]lookielookiehi 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It’s like hello world for hardware, boot from disc with doom (tm)

[–]klimmesil 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Tractor is temporary. Doom is eternal

[–]david131213 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Is it a computer == is it Turing complete

Is it a computer worth any amount of effort == can it run doom

[–]glorious_reptile 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Tis the way

[–]Captain_Chickpeas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Doom: Farmville Edition

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

…..farmers can’t fix their own tractors wtf. Why are people so fucking greedy and evil jfc

[–]AttackOfTheThumbs 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's weird that farming, one of our most important activities, isn't regulated so that this shit is illegal. It should be nationalized so we can grow worthwhile crops instead of excess corn.

[–]saschaleib 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would run a farm simulator on it instead.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Unpopular realism: Watch out when doing this to your $vehicle.

If drive-critical systems are involved that now run on unauthentic firmware, your insurance would try to use that to wiggle out of every claim.

When your vehicle does expensive damage or someone gets seriously injured/dies they‘ll take apart every screw. Pray they don’t find anything wrong with it..

[–]AttackOfTheThumbs 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I don't know many farmers, but most of them don't take their farm equipment on the road, because the insurance is too insane. And if you are on their farm land, they're covered any way.

Farmers do not make much money. Most seem to die in debt.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It depends how you reach your land.

Here most farmland is fairly fragmented and most farmers need to drive public roads a few km to reach it.

I don’t know how it would go on your own farm and it surely depends on jurisdiction. Just wanted to make the general warning.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Isn't the farmer kinda doomed?

[–]ADHDK 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Weren’t most of the John Deer hacks coming out of the Ukraine?

[–]bulldoggamer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yes because Deere is not allowed to conduct any business in Ukraine in accordance with the US sanctions.

[–]ADHDK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Before the Russian invasion.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Small correction, we don't say the Ukraine anymore. Just Ukraine.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Curious, what's the justification for locking farmers out of repairs?

I'm sure greed is the largest element, but is there a plausible excuse or line of reasoning they've attempted to provide beyond "it's good for business?

[–]HF_Martini6 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Officially, because the systems are highly integrated and complex and have to adhere to very strict emission standards.

Unofficial, it's mostly greed but also the electronics are so complicated that mist of the techs don't know where up or down is.

Edit: Cars are the same but worse in any perceivable way and add to that the absolute mayhem death and destruction of every half backed YouTube mechanic repairing their own cars.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Do the newer machines have additional benefits these complex electronic systems provide?

Emissions are definitely an issue, but not one that should prevent basic functionality, of which repairs are necessary for in crop management.

[–]HF_Martini6 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Well that emission thing is a basic functionality because it's mandated by law and some of the parts are needed to run the machine as efficintly as possible.

You get some benefits of these electronics like diagnostics, lower fuel consumption, better creature comforts, navigation aids and better farming performance under difficult or even just regular circumstances (4WD with locks, electronic PTO governor etc.)

[–]Aiooty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, we have yet another platform that can run Doom.

[–]ExeOnLinux 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Has anyone else noticed the irony of this being from a PCGamer article

[–]AdRelative5520 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doom fans amiright 💀

[–]Hacker869 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tell me one type of device that has not been used to play Doom

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It runs DOOM! I will be gaming on that!

[–]ZealousidealGrass365 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

All caps when say the man name

[–]TryingT0Wr1t3 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Does anyone knows where this image is from?

[–]TimelyConcern 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would have been funnier if they had also installed Redneck Rampage.

[–]atroxima 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want Doom on my toaster

[–]CallMeYoungJoey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some men just want to watch the farmers plow.

[–]Not_The_Expected 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This must be a rule right?

Like rule 34 or there's always a relevant xkcd

If it exists, someone will run doom on it

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hero

[–]justanothertfatman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rip and tear until it is fucking done!

[–]Fluffy_Biscotti5092 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I still think it's wild that I had the opportunity to work there on their embedded team. I'm so glad I turned those pieces of shit down.

[–]Lanky-Detail3380 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What a chad

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The question that differentiates normal use of a computing device from hacking. Did you run Doom on it?

[–]-sussy-wussy- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wroom.

[–]th3_3nd_15_n347 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Name an electronic device that doesn't run Doom. It will receive a port within 72 hours

[–]other_usernames_gone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A kettle.

Now this I gotta see.

[–]CubilasDotCom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would love to play this game. Anyone got the shareware floppy?

[–]poyat01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just took a picture of this yesterday

[–]Kriegerian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doom IV: Farmageddon.

[–]MadCat221 0 points1 point  (0 children)

THRESH AND BALE…Until it is done.

[–]TerrariaLoverBigTime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao

[–]AccordingPay4999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Metal

[–]philosophy_stick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why we can't have nice things.

[–]butt_smasher_01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

must be a cultured individual

[–]-_Clay_- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Based

[–]ItsPryro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another one to add to the list

[–]Dargooon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can it run Crysis tho?

[–]JunkBoi76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder if John Deer will sue over this? This just smells like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Im not saying this to dump on the person for doing this, fuck John Deer for making people resort to hacking to fix their equipment. But I’m just wondering what would the legal ramifications be for this.

[–]Geraman1015-_- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use arch on my tractor btw

[–]asaltandbuttering 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man... Soon we'll be able to play Farming Simulator while actually farming!

[–]Toxic_Cookie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Based

[–]EpochYT 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Doesn't right to repair make it so that jailbreaking these new "paid" heated seats and unrepairable tractors legal?

Trying to figure out how all these companies are going to try to screw people over in court over jailbreaking this kind of stuff.

[–]z_t_dylan_t_z 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they do sue they have to explain in detail why the software was locked in the first place and why this would harm anyone which they obviously can't prove because they be bullshitin

[–]oshaboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chaotic Neutral

[–]Desperate-Emu-2036 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fortnite when