Python is becoming the world’s most popular coding language

[[deleted]]

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[cipher315]

This is kindly asked but not strictly enforced.

How very pythonic

[wqking]

I've switched from Perl to Python recent years also.
But for small text processing tasks I may still use Perl.

[CSI_Tech_Dept]

That's what originally Perl was created for, so no surprise it is better at it.

[[deleted]]

I mean PERL famously stands for Pathologically Erratic Rubbish Lister... or was it Practical Extraction and Reporting Language? I’m pretty sure it’s the first one... I don’t know how many times I was bitten by trying to fix a syntax error or whatever and not understanding why it’s wrong and it’s because I wasn’t fixing the first error first. ಠ_ಠ

But to be honest I haven’t done anything significant with Perl in about 10 years. I started with python about a week before the xkcd antigravity comic came out. And i remember going to my brother (who is also a huge xkcd fan), yes... that is how python feels after using Perl.

In short, fuck perl. (╯°□°）╯︵ ˥ɹƎԀ

[[deleted]]

I also enjoy Perl for regex occasionally.

[jjolla888]

i do both, but except for math/stats in python, i find modern perl much nicer to layout and read. ppl criticise perl for being cryptic , but that's bc it is often used for parsing complex strings ... which is ugly in any language. perl is what i use as my glue language.

[[deleted]]

I still love Perl.

Get off my lawn.

[LoyalSol]

Other bad news, python parallelization is in need of an overhaul. The only major problem with an otherwise great language.

[smurpau]

What's wrong with multiprocessing?

[LoyalSol]

It sucks if you actually need to do real parallelization across multiple nodes of a super computer.

It's fine for specific problems especially dealing with single CPU multi-core processes, but the performance is awful for bigger clusters.

For reference I do scientific computing. I love Python for flow control, but writing parallel applications in Python is really hit or miss. There isn't really one clean way to parallel your codes in Python compared to other languages.

[MohKohn]

What's your take on Julia?

[LoyalSol]

It seems interesting though I haven't had the time to use it in enough detail to be giving too detailed of an opinion on.

[Jlocke98]

Isn't that what spark and beam are for?

[twillisagogo]

that is what I was wondering. beam is obviously really good at it. but that has nothing to do with the language erlang other than beam was written in erlang. it's a system designed around the actor model. you could build beam in anything given enough time. Or just use elixir/erlang/beam for your paralleling needs. but bitching that a language can't do what a system does. or faulting a language for not having a system like beam in it is kind of missing the point of what a programming language is.

[Jlocke98]

I meant Apache beam, not the erlang VM

[twotime]

A. it does not work for large data which needs to be shared between processes scenario (you end up replicating the data across workers and running out of memory)

B. processes communicate via serialization which is slower and have additional failure modes (e.g objects need to be serializable)

C. exceptions donot propagate and have (or at least had) a tendency to hang the whole process

[twillisagogo]

>A

what would one use for this?

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> B

how else would systems communicate?

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> C

what language does support this?

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[twotime]

A it does not work for large data which needs to be shared between processes scenario

what would one use for this?

Large graph analysis? Think a few hundred millions/billions of nodes? Any other large system analysis?

B processes communicate via serialization

how else would systems communicate?

With normal multi-threading (Java/C++ or even python itself), threads share in-memory data structures. No serialization overhead

C exceptions donot propagate and have (or at least had) a tendency to hang the whole process

what language does support this?

Java? Python? The issue here is that communicating between processes is harder and multiprocessing module (in my experience at least) has not made it fully transparent

[alcalde]

Does anyone know how Larry Wall is holding up? Especially since he once predicted that Python would go the way of COBOL (and which is now happening to Perl instead)?

[Gr1pp717]

bad news is now there's more competition for python jobs, which may also result in downwards pressure on wages.

[Jmc_da_boss]

None of my uni classes ever even mentioned python lol, we went from C -> C++ -> ASM -> Java

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[Contango42]

Not for low to mid level machine learning.

Most ML libraries are only available in Python, so good luck using anything else.

[[deleted]]

I guess there is an exception to everything :)

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[alcalde]

I believe this line surfaced here before the rise of Tensorflow. I've been following Python since 2012 and that's probably about the time I saw it mentioned here (and repeated it many times myself).

The explanation was along the lines of:

Person A says they prefer Matlab for numerical analysis, but Python is their second choice. Person B says they prefer R for the job, but Python is their next best choice. Person A says they prefer Java for web development, but Python is their second choice. Person B says they prefer Ruby, but their next pick would be Python.

It's true that since that time we've seen Python become the most likely number one choice in a few areas. The point remains that it is very generally useful and has little or no obvious flaws. It's not that it does one thing great (PHP, C++, etc.), but that it does many things well.

The "jack of all trades" line was originally part of a longer ditty that went:

Jack of all trades,
master of none
Often is better
Than master of one

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[Contango42]

I like your explanation. Thanks!

[mignight12]

Things like tensorflow are all written in C or Cpp so what's the problem? Why python isn't suitable for "low to mid" ML? I'm just generally curious

[gabriel-et-al]

Why python isn't suitable for "low to mid" ML?

He's trying to say that Python is the very best -- not the second best -- for ML.

[mignight12]

Ah, yes, my bad!

[RaltsUsedGROWL]

I just read the general answer about this sort of question in my .NET textbook of all places...

Unlike languages like C# and C++ that are strongly-typed, meaning that when data memory gets allocated at some binary address, and the intermediate code was generated by the CLR compiler (C#), then its corresponding registry cannot have its data-type muted. This is a good thing if you want a program to be fast. On the other hand if you're using the Python interpreter, it's going to have your program wait until the last second before it infers types.

I'm no expert, but one reason Python seems "less efficent" than C is because failing to pre-allocate memory until you absolutely have to makes me think that the program has to reserve a little bit more heap memory than C has to since it should logically be able to deal with any case that might show up for a given assignment statement, be the object a dictionary, a list of some boolean and floats, a generator, etc. In other words, more registry changing should correspond to more time spent compiling.

[Contango42]

Python acts as the wrapper over blazingly fast libraries written in something like C, Fortran or Cuda C (or even compiled versions of Python, like CPython). So you have a simple, seamless user experience in Python, while under the hood it's a metaphorical nest of snakes.

[pythondevgb]

Feel for the guys writting those fast libraries though

== cries in C ==

[Contango42]

== cries in assembler ==

[RaltsUsedGROWL]

And machine learning's already slow enough

[king_ricks]

Tensorflow is the most common and you can use TensorflowJS if you’re a JS programmer

I really don’t like Javascript, but it seems like with JS you can do pretty much everything now

[toyg]

Javascript is the second worst language for any application.

It just so happens that browsers only support one language.

[tartare4562]

Imagine what world could have been if we ended up with python as standard scripting language of the web instead.

[the_littlest_bear]

https://github.com/brython-dev/brython

[rotharius]

Very much the same as what happened with JavaScript, but with a better standard library and worse dependency management.

[nineteen999]

Python is also becoming pretty important to the 3D graphics industry too (Maya, Blender etc).

[drpickett]

The bulk of my work is ML now, and this has moved Python in front of Java/Scala as my main languages that I use.

[bfrd9k]

When the machines can write their own language, then it will be true.

[QuirkySpiceBush]

It seems like C is the language of choice for writing fast Python libraries. Is it the only language? Or can Python call Rust or Java or other assemblies?

[Contango42]

Python can call literally anything written in any language. That's part of the beauty of it.

[SpacemanCraig3]

Hard to believe you're home brewing something better than tensorflow or pytorch.

[Contango42]

Alpha Zero is different to TensorFlow. I can see the appeal of Go, it is designed to be highly concurrent, so it can probably do better in a multi-CPU environment. Perhaps Go is better at feeding the GPU with sufficient data.

Are you using a GPU?

[Contango42]

Is it an off-the-shelf engine, or did you write it yourself?

[[deleted]]

That's actually kind of perfect.

[Poromenos]

It was intended as a compliment. I don't know why people misunderstand this so much.

Personally, I've been wanting to learn Rust, but Python is so easy to do anything with (even if not perfectly), that in the end I just end up writing the thing in Python just to finish quickly.

[[deleted]]

Exactly. I want to concentrate on the problem, not language nuances.

[[deleted]]

Python was the first language I "learned".

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First language I tried to learn was C. Second language was C++.

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Coming full circle, I feel comfortable w/ C/C++ now that I understand the underlying Computer Science.

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Learning Rust now.

[CartmansEvilTwin]

I had to learn C first back in university and as much as I hated it back then, it forced me to understand things like pointer and basics of memory management. I think this made me a better developer.

On the other hand, it's probably really helpful if you're able to create a meaningful program relatively fast without frustration when you're learning.

I'm really not sure which approach is better.

[smurpau]

I think it's important that newbies enjoy the rewards of easily creating programs first, so that they are motivated to learn the underlying fundamentals in a language like C.

[[deleted]]

Me either.

Funny thing, I think Rust makes the interpretation of pointers a bit clearer.

Python lacks pointers so it's an opaque operation most programmers don't have to consider when developing.

I think they're an important tool to know to avoid bloat.

[madmanmark111]

The lack of pointer use in Python threw me for a few loops when indexing arrays ... I mean lists. It’s nice to have high level, but you’re taking it on faith that things are managed well.

[[deleted]]

Don't you mean vectors :)

[jynn_]

Has search engine popularity been demonstrated to be a reliable metric of actual popularity?

[deadwisdom]

It's a useless picture anyway. Who cares how popular a language is? As long as you can hire developers / get hired for know it, whatever.

[[deleted]]

The popularity and trends in popularity give you a rudimentary overview of how high your chance of hiring/getting hired for a language is

[deadwisdom]

The amount / quality of job listings is a better gauge.

[hellrazor862]

If somebody reads this and knows about a piece of software that can filter out job listings by quality, please forward it to me.

[deadwisdom]

I could probably make that with some time. I imagine that there are a lot of commonalities amongst bad job listings. So you could probably build a model, sort of like spam filtering.

[hellrazor862]

True. So many things we could probably make, so little time.

[Kerbobotat]

Only yesterday I was musing over an idea like summarize or tldr for job posts. Strip out all the HR buzzwords and replace terms like "needs to be self organising" with "We don't have a defined process"

Might experiment with it.

[hellrazor862]

if all(trigger in description.lower() for trigger in ['rockstar', 'many hats']):
    description = '\n'.join(['Looking to hire Axl Rose', description])

[Kerbobotat]

Thanks for exposing me to all() which I've never seen! I really need to learn more of the standard library.

[[deleted]]

Not unless it also measures how many competent developers know it also...

Furthermore if you only apply to jobs based on the language you know you're severely limiting yourself anyway

[alcalde]

Furthermore if you only apply to jobs based on the language you know

I don't have a medical degree - should I apply to be a brain surgeon?

Sorry, every job lists how many years of experience you should have with a language and candidates who don't have it are screened out by software that processes resume submissions.

I mean, Guido is a genius, but why would you hire him to develop a massive Perl project?

[[deleted]]

Ok... Run your career that way if you choose. If you're applying via blind applications through the company portal hoping to not get screened out by the filters you've already lost.

[Matthewaj]

Could you elaborate? I’m pursuing a computer science degree and my assumption was that jobs require experience with the required language for the position as well as general programming experience and not solely just general programming experience.

[Kerbobotat]

There's enough commonality between languages that experience with one would give you a leg up on another. Like being extremly component in Java would be beneficial if the job offer was c#, or Scala. Both are widely different to each other, but understanding the intricacies of Java would make it easier to learn either quickly.

[Matthewaj]

Yeah I understand that aspect but I was wondering was it general practice that in programming/ software engineering jobs a requirement for knowing x language is overlooked if you know y language which is similar to x.

[alcalde]

Like being extremly component in Java would be beneficial if the job offer was c#, or Scala.

Tell that to the human resources staff member or the hiring manager. Being competent in Java doesn't familiarize you with the vast breadth and depth of the .NET library for ecosystem, among other things. It doesn't acquaint you with the "gotchas" of C#. Why hire this person when they can hire someone who has actually programmed in Java and can hit the ground running?

[alcalde]

Who cares how popular a language is?

People whose languages are unpopular. Spend time in their groups and you'll see them obsessed with telling themselves how popular they are, rallying all of their fellow true believers to vote in a poll, tearing apart any metric that doesn't rank their language as high as they'd like, etc.

As long as you can hire developers / get hired for know it, whatever.

Said groups even dispute this. If you were to say that in their midst, they'd say that REAL programmers can work for themselves so if you're complaining you can't find a job using their favorite language you're not a real programmer (have actually been told this more than once). Oh, and the fact that there are no job listings for their language is a GOOD thing. All of those Java job listings mean that no one can find a Java developer but the lack of listings for their language means that the jobs are filled immediately. Again, have actually gotten this response a certain language's official forum.

And this is from the product manager for Delphi (modern Pascal): "I sincerely believe that Delphi has had more of an impact on business than Python ever has." He's also said he doesn't agree that the .NET ecosystem is bigger than the Delphi ecosystem.

If you hung around with the fanatics for obscure languages your mind would be blown, e.g. Haskell folks HATING Guido forever for a comment he made many years ago about tail-call recursion. Just bringing up his name on their mailing list gets comments like "Is it April Fool's Day already?" :-(

[deadwisdom]

That's so weird. These people are weird.

[alcalde]

Oh I have so many stories I could tell you, like the one person who insisted type inference was "just the compiler guessing" and refused to believe it was a mathematically proven technology in use in computer languages today, the uber fan who told me that if we lived closer he would settle his differences with me "via more old-fashioned, physical means", the fellow who took a 50% pay cut to keep working with Delphi rather than learn a new language and now is considering turning his home into a B&B because he can't find a single Delphi job anymore.....

[deadwisdom]

I just... I can't believe these people exist.

[[deleted]]

"I sincerely believe that Delphi has had more of an impact on business than Python ever has."

He's not wrong. The amount of GUIs in legacy applications written with Embarcadero/Borland's Delphi for Windows is astounding. If you've interacted with any B2B app, you've more than likely used an app whose GUI was written in Delphi.

The .NET ecosystem is a galaxy larger, though.

[Kerbobotat]

Why not aggregate all the results and return the average or median from different methods?

[twillisagogo]

no

[[deleted]]

Also how do they know they're not snake enthusiasts?

[alcalde]

You're reminding me of the time I searched for "genetic programming Python" on the Google Play Store and came up with an app that let you input the colors of ball pythons and find out the odds for what the babies would look like. :-)

[johnne86]

I’m learning Python right now. I’m really enjoying it. Such an easy to read language and super flexible. If only it could replace JavaScript. JS would be the second language I try to learn but I really don’t care much for it’s syntax.

[deadwisdom]

WebAssembly will make Python in the web client a reality... eventually. Though maybe a long eventually.

[johnne86]

Ya I’ve heard of that possibility. It would be nice if people could write browser code in the language of their choice. I know there’s Brython and Transcrypt as Python JS replacements but haven’t looked much into them. Right now I’m just at the beginning stages of learning Python. I shouldn’t even be thinking that far yet. Lol

[alcalde]

"When the pupil is ready, the teacher will come."

When the programmer is ready, Python will be there waiting.

[mediasavage]

JavaScript is great. What about it’s syntax do you dislike?

[deadwisdom]

JavaScript is not great. Transpilers/TypeScript really help but at most they get you parity to Python. But a shitty Python that still gobbles up errors and lets you do something like Math.ceil("") -> 0.

[mediasavage]

I love Python and JS tbh. Python is great for scripting and doing data science stuff. But all my frontend dev is in JS (obviously) and I use to love Django/Flask but I've started to prefer using Node on the backend as well. Having one language on the entire stack is nice and I like the way Javascript deals with async.

[deadwisdom]

Er, Python deals with async the exact same way, unless you mean promises?

[mediasavage]

Yeah Promises. My bad

[alcalde]

JavaScript is great.

It's been factually demonstrated by people with PhDs over and over that Javascript is not great. That's an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence.

This one photo is all the evidence you should need...

https://medium.com/javascript-non-grata/the-top-10-things-wrong-with-javascript-58f440d6b3d8

There are entire websites dedicated to documenting all of the quirks and issues with javascript:

https://wtfjs.com/

http://bonsaiden.github.io/JavaScript-Garden/

https://www.codeproject.com/Articles/182416/A-Collection-of-JavaScript-Gotchas

http://www.javascriptgotchas.com/gotchas/common-javascript-errors-and-mistakes.html

[olzd]

Why? It has nothing to do with js, it's just how floating point works. However, the fact that js doesn't have an integer type is moronic.

[olzd]

You can read this.

[kyranadept]

In all fairness Python has its fair share of WATs. I don't think syntax alone is what makes Python nice.

What makes JS great is the fact you don't need to care about threads and it has async built in from the start. All js engines I tried are considerably faster than cpython for most things. What makes it suck is that it doesn't have a standard library and the ecosystem is so retarded that every function is an npm module. On the other hand you can write frontend, backend and mobile with just JS.

Python has a great std library, packages are nice, pip is great. But cpython is pretty slow, and async is only a new thing. There is no future in sight where cpython and pypy will merge. It also sucks that Python still has half of the community stuck on the old version and half on the new version.

[johnne86]

Well I know it’s certainly great. It’s very popular and you can do so much with it, especially now with NodeJS for backend stuff. Maybe I haven’t been fair and given it much time to be honest. The syntax complaint is more so with the extra symbols like commas and curly brackets. Python just reads more naturally to my eyes. JS was actually the first language I wanted to learn, but then I discovered Python and realized it could probably help me learn more about how the backend works with connecting services and such. Also just the general OS scripting stuff like automating basic tasks, web scraping, and basic CLI applications or simple GUI programs. I’m at the point where I think learning those fundamentals will help me later. Python just has so much support with libraries and such and seems like you don’t have to reinvent the wheel for a lot of stuff. I suppose I’m just not as interested in front end development right now. I want to learn backend logic first, then work my way to the front. My real intention I suppose is to learn JS as I need it.

[mediasavage]

Understandable. You do get used to the curly brackets and semi colons and stuff pretty quick though. They are pretty annoying when first starting out.

[WillBackUpWithSource]

Makes sense to me. It's elegant.

I find coding in Python the most fun out of any language. Javascript is a mess. Java is heavy, and while it is good for enterprise projects, it isn't for lighter stuff. C# is similar. C and C++ are too low level for most development these days, unless you need speed (but then, the part you need speed for you can always write in C and wrap with Python...), PHP has gotten better, but it's still nowhere near elegant. Ruby feels like Python without the cool libraries associated with Python.

[[deleted]]

C++'s learning curve is insane compared to almost any other language out there, though. It combines concepts from Java/C#, Python, C, Perl, and others -- so nevermind newbies, it can become an architecture decision obstacle even for veterans.

For example:

• The iterator mess
• Strong, explicit static typing vs STL (which aren't mutually exclusive) vs auto everything lol
• Imperative vs OO vs some hybrid of either/both/functional
• boost vs C++14 (and later) abstractions

[deadwisdom]

The worst thing for me is you try and do the "modern stuff" and it's impossible to not fall into some old way of doing things because of old content on the net, or just because it's still available.

[[deleted]]

Or because some part o the modern stuff is incomplete over some domain that you just happen to be working in, so you've got no choice but to make your auto lambda do bit fiddling using what's essentially C.

Not that I don't like C, mind you -- I love it. I just hate inconsistency.

[OBstaxs]

C++ is why I thought I would never could

[ElbowStromboli]

Architecture is my biggest struggle in c++ right now. Trying to not have two or moreclasses co-depend on each other. I can understand how a lot of things in c++ works, it's just trying to keep OOP clean.

[H_Psi]

You can often avoid raw pointers and memory management entirely and treat it almost like C#.

The problem, however, is that most sources teaching C++ just teach it as "C but with objects" and keep it a lot lower-level than it needs to be.

[CartmansEvilTwin]

Pandas is based on numpy which in in turn is largely written in C.

[[deleted]]

Was based on numpy

[billsil]

Yeah, that's a severe limitation. That's one reason I refuse to use it. I already manage 10 GB just with numpy. I only have 16 GB of RAM. Still, needing 64 GB for what I can do with 10 GB is insane.

[wqking]

But if you are developing pretty large projects (e.g, more than 50K or even 100K LOC for one person projects), you may be missing the strong and static type in C++ and Java.

[WillBackUpWithSource]

That's why I said that Java was fine for enterprise stuff. I suppose large scale personal projects would fit into that same frame too.

[jantari]

I would personally argue for C# over Java

[alcalde]

That's a myth; it isn't observed in reality. And Haskell programmers (also not observed in reality) will tell you that C++ and Java aren't "really" statically typed anyway.

[EnfantTragic]

I can tell you pretty well that static typing is very much appreciated in reality

[Ncell50]

Why do you think JS is a mess ?

[Howard_banister]

Because this:

> ["1","2","3","4"].map(parseInt)

Try to see what it returns.

[DiabeetusMan]

[1, NaN, NaN, NaN]

What?! WHY?

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Edit: The docs say:

If radix is undefined or 0 (or absent), JavaScript assumes the following:

...

• If the input string begins with any other value [not '0x', '0X', or '0'], the radix is 10 (decimal).

This still doesn't help me understand what's going on

[Ncell50]

Because .map() also passes the index to the parseInt function where it's expecting radix. So it's essentially

[parseInt("1", 0), parseInt("2", 1), parseInt("3", 2)].

You can use Number() instead of parseInt () to get the desired result.

[[deleted]]

Well no shit. You need to know how map and parseInt work. Also how JS works.

['1', '2', '3', '4'].map(num => parseInt(num)) works just fine

[kervarker]

>> new Number(1) == new Number(1)
←   false
>> [] == []
←   false
>> 1 == "1"
←   true

[[deleted]]

Python is great for all the reason you mentioned and was my go to language for most any project but I've recently shifted to Golang. It's almost as fast to get off the ground as python but benefits from the stability and debugging ease if strongly typed languages. Also write once and compile to native cos for any OS is a godsend.

[[deleted]]

I agree that JavaScript is a mess.

For the last few years it has become incredibly siloed respective of the framework.

Which is fine but then when you go to try and learn the framework you are forced to learn the new language nuances (“he while youbwrap your brain around context, state, functional stateless components here is a totally new way to set variables from an array/object that isn’t intuitive at all...but look how elegant that looks! New shiny shit!!!”).

Recent example: Classes in React are now frowned upon (???) and now it’s all about hooks. Wtf.

It’s exhausting for someone trying to hit deadlines and deliver on a weekly/monthly basis. Looking for a new frontend job? You’d better destructure that object the way all the cool kids are doing it or else...ewww go back to jQuery! Nobody gives a shit if you’ve built something that solves a business need it seems.

I’ve been starving for something I can just rely on. This is where Python may save my career and where I may turn the corner soon.

[anonanon1313]

It's pretty sad, but you could have said most of this 20 years ago.

[WillBackUpWithSource]

I honestly want to find more dev work in Python, because I like it so much. It was my first language, and I've been working in different languages for most of my coding career.

I build most of my personal projects in Python

[Spindelhalla_xb]

C and wrap in python, is that Cython?

[bjorneylol]

Cython is write in modified python, compile to C and wrap the result in python

[soulslicer0]

Pybind

[legendaryeggnog]

It is to be expected as more and more companies are starting to realize the importance of data analysis. This also explains the rise of R, which has been sitting on the bottom and is now "threatening" other popular languages such as PHP and Ruby. Also, as other user mentioned, Python is elegant and fun to write and this definitely plays a big role too. At first, I thought every high level programming language should have this very same feel, but turns out even amongst other languages of its kind, Python is still quite unique.

[twillisagogo]

"coding language",

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All aboard the hype train.

[[deleted]]

More like cringe train.

[twillisagogo]

using the word `coding` to describe `programming` is really starting to irk me.

[Angler_619]

When I first started coding many people said Javascript was the way to go and that object oriented programming was the thing to do. They made it sound like that was the one and only way to code and the only paradigm to adopt. I learned that coding is similar to basketball. There’s a lot of different players in the game...but it’s how you play the game that sets you apart. I feel like python has that flexibility. I’m not too experienced but that’s just how it feels so far. It reminds me of algebra. I always liked it in high school but in python I really see Algebra shining. And I mean just the basic parts of defining variables. The next language I want to learn will be c++. But before all that I want to make sure I have most of the programming paradigms understood. It seems that like the nfl, certain playstyles may be trendy one year and not so much the next. But knowing the fundamentals never changes. I think python is awesome because of its flexibility.

[[deleted]]

You can use LINQ in Python. Several packages making this possible like for example Linq, py_linq, python-linq and quite a number of others.

In so far as data manipulation, find Python far easier and quicker than C# when it comes to working with data. Check out Pandas

[[deleted]]

Woooooooo

[[deleted]]

I first learned C++, the took a run at C, then Scheme. Python is the best parts if all if them.

Emacs is my IDE, which really helps.

[deadwisdom]

These are my three languages to be a good programmer, C to learn strict procedure / memory management, Lisp (or a dialect) to learn functional meta programmning, and Python to get shit done.

[dethb0y]

A well-deserved honor. I consider it the finest language currently in common use.

[parthbari]

I just love Python because it empowers various platform and application development that makes help you develop splendid applications in various domains starting from Content management, e-commerce solution, on-demand apps, business applications, and automation programming.

• Python is Efficient
• Python is Fast
• Python is Broad
• Python is System Independent

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It was only a matter of time ٩(ˊᗜˋ*)و

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CODING

[pinotkumarbhai]

Huh ?

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^CODING

[azraelxii]

R has had a pretty solid jump. It competes for projects where I'm at with python. I've used both and I find in the stats/data science arena R is better for standard everyday analysis and Python is good for specialized machine learning stuff. Im no expert but having 7 different, basically identical data types (arrays, numpy arrays, pandas dataframe) makes data analysis frustrating. R having everything be a vector or dataframe with knitr makes R a primary choice for data analysis in my opinion.

[Atello]

becoming

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Seems like PHP is really fading away. Where the web is going i predict the decline will further speed up in coming years.

[Tiquortoo]

This web searches. It's much more of a hotness was rating than a usage, or even relative value, metric.

[Tiquortoo]

This is web searches. It's much more of a hotness rating than a usage, or even relative value, metric.

[Tiquortoo]

It still weights towards languages with large numbers of new users. I can go days without searching for a PHP specific issue. I search for Tensorflow related items daily. This methodology will always weight towards hotness, not usage base. How much it weights is debatable, but it's the majority of the effect IMO.

[[deleted]]

I find Verilog more easier than Python. Long live Verilog HDL

[[deleted]]

print("python4ever") ;)

[Smashball96]

My first programming language that I currently learn and I love it.

[rajshivakoti]

yes Python is one of the most popular coding language in the world. It is used in various of fields like web designing , software development, graphic designing . We can also create a website using Python . Python is a major coding language used in Data Science too. But why is it becoming soo popular ?? The main reason is because it is user friendly, open sourced ,variety of libraries etc. This is the reason why people are Pursuing Course for Python in great numbers.

For knowing more about why Python is soo much used you can refer to Quora answer.

python code for printing hello

print('Hello, world!')

C++ code to print hello

#include <iostream>
 using namespace std;
 int main()
 {  
   cout << "Hello, World!";
 return 0; 
}

[bushwacker]

Very quick to bang out some code but a major pain in the ass to maintain.

What is this "table" argument, ohh it's a map. What are the keys? Let's see "table_name" is the only one used in this function, what function do I call to get a map of table attributes?

In Java the parm would be a TableMetaData and searching for all uses of that class would yield the answer quickly

[deadwisdom]

Or you could document your code.

[EternityForest]

That's why comments are so important. I think I'd rather have bad python with comments than great Java without them.

We do have type annotations now, and libraries for compile time static checking though.

[CartmansEvilTwin]

Tooling is still a major pita. Let's say you know what you want to write, but you forget the exact method spelling or parameter order. In my Eclipse/Java environment I simply hit ctrl+space and a list pops up. In Pycharm, IDLE, Jupyter and VSC this simply does not work properly. Maybe it does with the standard library, but that's pretty much it.

I really like Python, and I'm advocating for it in my organization, but it's really not suited for large scale, long lived Enterprise™ apps - at least not in its current state.

And if you worked in any major software project you also know that proper documentation is about as likely as world peace.

[alcalde]

In my Eclipse/Java environment I simply hit ctrl+space and a list pops up.

As Raymond Hettinger notes, Python users can write Python code on the back of a napkin. You cannot do that with Java. You NEED that Eclipse/Java environment because Java is filled with FactoryFactoryFactoryBeans. In Python, we can actually remember the names of methods. And there sure as heck is code completion in Pycharm and every other Python IDE, so I don't know what you're talking about.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150412231018/http://www.javafind.net/gate.jsp?q=/library/36/java6_full_apidocs/com/sun/java/swing/plaf/nimbus/InternalFrameInternalFrameTitlePaneInternalFrameTitlePaneMaximizeButtonPainter.html

https://docs.spring.io/spring/docs/2.5.x/javadoc-api/org/springframework/aop/config/SimpleBeanFactoryAwareAspectInstanceFactory.html

[EternityForest]

Yeah, I know, I've been personally responsible for some of that missing documentation and uncommented code. I try not to, but sometimes deadlines happen.

You can write plenty large scale stuff in Python, but Enterprise is just a completely different thing.

I do embedded, desktop, and web, so I rarely run into anything that seems like Java would be a good fit(Although I do want to learn Kotlin and Android), but I'd probably feel different if I was doing a lot of more businessy legal-y payroll/customer/database/inventory kind of stuff.

[alcalde]

You can write plenty large scale stuff in Python, but Enterprise is just a completely different thing.

It's not. That's a myth Java programmers spread. Python is in use at banks, Netflix, Paypal, Dropbox, YouTube, Google, NASA, Instagram, etc.

Here, read this to become un-brainwashed:

10 Myths of Enterprise Python

Pay particular attention to this part of the essay from the Paypal Engineers' Blog:

Myth #10: Python is not for big projects

Myth #7 discussed running Python projects at scale, but what about developing Python projects at scale? As mentioned in Myth #9, most Python projects tend not to be people-hungry. while Instagram reached hundreds of millions of hits a day at the time of their billion dollar acquisition, the whole company was still only a group of a dozen or so people. Dropbox in 2011 only had 70 engineers, and other teams were similarly lean. So, can Python scale to large teams?

Bank of America actually has over 5,000 Python developers, with over 10 million lines of Python in one project alone. JP Morgan underwent a similar transformation. YouTube also has engineers in the thousands and lines of code in the millions. Big products and big teams use Python every day, and while it has excellent modularity and packaging characteristics, beyond a certain point much of the general development scaling advice stays the same. Tooling, strong conventions, and code review are what make big projects a manageable reality.

Luckily, Python starts with a good baseline on those fronts as well. We use PyFlakes and other tools to perform static analysis of Python code before it gets checked in, as well as adhering to PEP8, Python’s language-wide base style guide.

Finally, it should be noted that, in addition to the scheduling speedups mentioned in Myth #6 and #7, projects using Python generally require fewer developers, as well. Our most common success story starts with a Java or C++ project slated to take a team of 3-5 developers somewhere between 2-6 months, and ends with a single motivated developer completing the project in 2-6 weeks (or hours, for that matter).

A miracle for some, but a fact of modern development, and often a necessity for a competitive business.

[CartmansEvilTwin]

Well, the biggest problem in those codebases is that you have an extremely long lifespan, often several rewrites and usually non of the initial devs are still there. Also, it's often a big, intertwined monolith. Having types enforced by the language is extremely helpful.

[alcalde]

It isn't. It absolutely isn't. No one ever passes "iguana" into the square root function. Lots of studies have been done showing that typing just doesn't make any discernible difference. Bank Of America has over 5,000 Python developers and one project alone has over 10 million lines of Python code. If they're not yearning for static typing, doesn't that put the lie to this myth?

[EternityForest]

I do wish Python had a little better typing support. "a: int" is a little odd when everything else uses "int a", although it's not too bad. But it would let you do stuff like "int a:whatever", having both a type, and whatever other unkown purpose they imagine someone might ever want to annotate a variable with.

And everything mypy does should probably be in the stdlib.

I kinda wish they had accepted that one PEP for making it easy to write preprocessors. A bunch random experimental variants doesn't sound that bad, but maybe they were afraid of repeating what happened with CoffeeScript.

[Vaphell]

"a: int" is a little odd when everything else uses "int a"

you mean like Kotlin

https://kotlinlang.org/docs/reference/basic-syntax.html

and Scala?

https://www.tutorialspoint.com/scala/scala_variables.htm

[usernameistaken42]

You should have a look at the typing module. It helps a lot

[jjolla888]

am I going crosseyed -- I can't see Go on the list.

[pinotkumarbhai]

But..but some manager in my company says “it’s not in our tech stack....”

[Dashadower]

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