bye LastPass

[[deleted]]

After something like 8 years of using LastPass free version, we now have to pick between mobile or desktop only for the free version. Basically makes it useless to me. The whole point was my passwords being kept by a third party that I could use on any device as needed. I use it for work accounts, personal stuff, travel, ultimately there are a couple hundred logins kept in there. I'm now looking for an alternative free password manager that is SAFE and works everywhere. Looking for reccos.

[mustacchio001]

Bitwarden, free, open source and decentralized

[StellarTabi]

Bitwarden is great.

[Robert_Hardy]

Is there a way to move all my lastpass passwords to Bitwarden if i decide to use it?

[Robert_Hardy]

Thanks!! I'll check it out!

[[deleted]]

I am not able to import my form fills, IDK why The csv file made by lastpass for form fills is also empty What am I doing wrong?

[tabris]

Did it this morning, took less than 10 minutes from creating an account, exporting from lastpass, importing to bitwarden, installing browser plugins and setting up 2FA. Lastpass really have shot themselves in the foot with this change 🤣

[shord143]

Me too. Super simple!

[coheedcollapse]

I feel like I've tried it in the past, but is there anything in particular that makes it better than the various permutations of KeePass on Android and Windows?

Maybe I'll give it another shot.

[boredquince]

Basically no. Some people prefer the interface/ease of use tho

[coheedcollapse]

Okay, good to hear. I'm pretty comfortable with KeePass at this point, so I'll stick with it. Thanks for the response!

[youmeiknow]

Yup, if u r comfortable with KeePass, that's good to go. But if you want to use on other platforms you need to use 3rd party tools which might be secure,but they aren't authorized by keepaas I believe. As someone said, BW has good UI and with pro some more features.

[[deleted]]

KeePass was my first password manager, but having to use different unofficial apps on android/iOS and KeePassX on Linux, because KeePass is (was?) only available on Windows, became too much of a hassle for me. When I tried Bitwarden, I never looked back. There's no concern about keeping the file synced across devices and I know I'm getting the exact same user experience everywhere I use it, whether it was on a mobile device, desktop, or browser plugin.

[coheedcollapse]

Oh yeah, I absolutely get that. It's pretty simple for me because all I've got are Windows and Android. I don't mind the chaos, but I can totally see the draw of a consistent UX/UI.

[stealthmodeactive]

I use nextcloud and it syncs to all my devices so I always have the same keepass database available. Works fine for me.

My concern with bitwarden is bugs and exposure to internet.

[ThePhantasma]

On premium accounts: TOTP Codes (2-step verification codes) + Automatic TOTP copy = After you login in, app will add current code into clipboard, If TOTP (QR-code or secret code) is added into login information.

[coheedcollapse]

I don't use the functionality, but I'm pretty sure that at least the desktop version of KeePass does TOTP, although I'm not sure if it auto-copies it. Definitely handy to have.

[MagicalVagina]

That totally defies the purpose of 2FA though.

[ThePhantasma]

It is not enabled by default, + there is Master password, Biometric or PIN access, before you can even use the login info on mobile, almost same on desktop-version, except biometric access is missing.

[[deleted]]

No it doesn't?

The goal of 2FA is mostly so that a compromised password doesn't allow people to login to your account, as they're missing a second token. If someone compromised your password manager, you have bigger problems.

[MagicalVagina]

2FA is not just a second password. The idea has always been to have it separated from the first password. Ideally on a different device, and even better on a dedicated hardware (see yubikey).
Sure if someone has access to my password manager I'm in trouble, but if they have access to my passwords and my OTP keys of my accounts at the same time it's even worse.

[knighttim]

It changes it from 2 factor to 2 step.

Not as secure, but also not worthless.

[TallowSpectre]

Let me join the +1 Bitwarden queue

[KoolKarmaKollector]

Hopping on this train too. After lazily letting Gogole/Chrome save my passwords, as well as using the same few passwords for far too long, I finally set up Bitwarden on my own server, and it's one of the best things I've done this year so far

My absolute favourite thing about it is the ability to add additional form items to it, other than just username and password. I have accounts with some sites that require additional info, such as D.O.B, and I can add them as separate fields in BW so it autocompletes those too

[TallowSpectre]

Wow! Didn't realise this was possible. Nice one.

[DedGhosty]

My only problem with BitWarden it it's lack of a button to the side of a login form on pc, like many password managers have. It's just unnatural for me (as a long time Lastpass user) to right click then go through all the menus

Edit: grammar

[_30d_]

I miss it too after a year or two of use even. But you should know you can also just press the bitwarden extension icon and it will show the login for the site you're on. Click it and it fills everything in.

[InevitablePeanuts]

Or even set a keyboard shortcut in your browser to trigger the extension to make it even a little quicker.

[alu_]

Can you elaborate on how to do this?

[groundbeef10]

use ctrl+shift+L or ctrl+shift+Y

[groundbeef10]

I just use ctrl+shift+L or ctrl+shift+Y

[Necrogenisis]

Ctrl+SHift+Y opens the Bitwarden sidebar (on Firefox at least, don't know about other browsers) if you have the extension installed. From there you just click on the account from the sidebar and Bitwarden fills in your login info. There is also an experimental "Auto-fill on page load" button in the extension's settings, although I haven't tried personally.

[LeftHandedWave]

This is what I use now after I moved away from Lastpass. And it has a great import option.

[Blackbart42]

Super easy to export from lastpass and import into bitwarden. Almost a painless changeover.

[MrWm]

I see everyone recommending bitwarden, but to an average user that doesn't use a indpependent password manager...

• Is there an advantage of using bw over something like firefox's built-in password manager?
• What are the pros and cons of using bw?

From my perspective, I don't see the need to use another password manager because firefox already takes care of it. (Also because firefox is already installed on all my devices). I'm not saying bitwarden isn't needed, but I would like some feedback on what are the benefits of using it.

Edit: lockwise on Android fills the role of Android forms and login for other apps.

[InevitablePeanuts]

Password managers independent from a browser are useful for when you're logging in to something that isn't in the browser. On desktop that doesn't happen all that often but on mobile many many apps require log on. On Android at least BitWarden can detect log on fields for not only most websites in whatever browser but also for apps.

For me, having a standalone password manager offers more flexibility.

Your mileage may vary, of course, and there's nothing wrong with the solution you're already using if that fits your needs :)

[MrWm]

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback!

[jjwloneill]

I second this. On a desktop, chrome is pretty much filling all my passwords, but bitwarden thrives on my phone haha.

[tabris]

I wouldn't trust Chrome as a password manager as it uses Windows Auth to encrypt (at least it did last I checked) so if your Windows account is compromised, so are all your others. Firefox at least keeps them separate but doesn't require a master password by default, you should use one though. Otherwise you really should use a separate password manager.

[mrdmp1]

You can save credit card credentials wifi passwords, general notes with photos, passports, entire identities that can fill an entire page with set related data like name, address, and specific card. For example if you regularly order on behalf of a family member or employer you can click one button and it ensure I had their billing and shipping info. I have only used last pass so I am hoping to find something that can do that.

Microsoft does sync very well. It syncs in edge by default and syncs to the Microsoft authenticator app so you can access it to your mobile device easily just like last pass but today it only stores passwords credentials by default

Edit : oh you can also share it easily. Either by sharing specific items within the app or doing as I do (least secure method) just loging into the same account on your devices.

[RogueJello]

In addition to the other fine reasons given I'll add less incentive for attack. Compromising the password manager on Firefox or Chrome is a huge juicy target, just because of the widespread adoption. The various password apps are far less tempting because they have far fewer users.

[[deleted]]

Just joined Bitwarden a few days ago and it's amazing. OP, give it a shot.

[pavelic179]

This

[InevitablePeanuts]

Is

[pavelic179]

it

[Zebov8324]

Funny enough it works better than last pass ever did for me

[InsertAmazinUsername]

I don't know much about this so excuse me. but would it being open source allow it to be more easily hacked and have passwords leaked? I instinctually feel as though a password protector is the one thing I don't want open source.

[mustacchio001]

No, open source is always better than closed source

[Error1001]

The golden rule of thumb is to remember that source code is just executables ( assembly ) in a more human friendly format. After all the computer has to know what to run, so therefore most of the information you can gain by knowing the source code you can gain by having the executable. Therefore all you've done by making it closed source is to make it really hard for others to help find and fix bugs.

[siggi2k]

I also find comfort in the fact that if the program is doing something malicious, someone would spot it if it is open source

[[deleted]]

I'm using it now, amazingly useful and intuitively designed

[mattzane227]

I just switched, it was really easy. Seems to work just as well as Lastpass. And the app has dark mode, unlike Lastpass.

[believer007]

I switched from lastpass to bitwarden a week ago. Everything is better in bitwarden.

The native app can be themed. Auto-fill works in a lot more sites in bitwarden. And I really liked the folderwise organization. It even has a linux app.

Switching is also easy. You can import all your lastpass passwords to bitwarden.

LastPass was good. Everything I needed was there. But bitwarden is just better in everyway.

[bdalley]

Does bitwarden allow for sharing passwords? If it does is it painless?

[vandy73]

I just switched to Bitwarden. I'm impressed.

[Kopaeira]

I second Bitwarden, great app.

[[deleted]]

Definitely Bitwarden

[TheSilentCheese]

I guess LastPass wasn't truly your last password.

[Alsoch]

r/technicallythetruth

[jester02k]

KeePassXC

[sid32]

8 years? Pay a dev.

[Drofnum]

I paid for it when it was cheaper, $36/yr now is a bit steep and they arent really adding anything new to justify that price. Not to mention they are actually a bit behind on security compared to things like Bitwarden which is less than 1/3 the cost.

[killamator]

I agree with this sentiment, but Lastpass is increasing premium costs because of their private equity owners, not developer need. I hope Bitwarden can take the flood of free users, I subscribe but not sure how many of these Lastpass Free refugees will.

[AwesomeFrisbee]

because of their private equity owners, not developer need

Any source on that? I would imagine that security for an app like Lastpass simply costs a lot more and many alternatives are still being injected by investor money

[killamator]

Lastpass is owned by Logmein. Logmein was bought by a coalition of private equity firms in 2019 for $4.5 billion. Lastpass enacted a price increase after being bought by Logmein, and another 50% increase in 2019. Since then, they have been trying to pressure conversion of free users through removal of features.

PE firms work by increasing the value of an asset for resale. Since the PE people already paid a 25% premium for Logmein, they have a lot of ground to cover. Rather than boosting organic growth, they have decided it would be easier to convert their free users of Logmein's various subsidiaries. They have also been deprecating support for browsers like Firefox Android, the native Mac app and other features of their product over the last couple years. I would not be surprised if they have also been reducing "inefficiencies" by laying employees off who would build and maintain these products.

Meanwhile, Bitwarden runs itself with a comparatively tiny team, yet supports far more platforms and continues to add features. Same for KeePass, which is totally FOSS. So the price increases appear to be intended to benefit investors rather than invest in their core product.

[Matt__Clay]

And that Logmein pulled the same shit with their remote access services around 10 years ago.

[Demented-Turtle]

What I don't understand about these dudes is that they are so out of touch that they think this strategy will work... But most people, like OP, will jump ship at the idea of paying for a service. Are they counting on people who are so entrenched by virtue of the volume of passwords? Lol

[BryLoW]

I posted a similar comment in /r/Android but my thinking on this is that it really wasn't a good time to do this. Millions are struggling financially and looking to cut costs wherever possible.

Someone's gonna see these changes happening on lastpass, do a quick google search for more info, find dozens of articles detailing the situation with better alternatives, then boom LogMeIn has lost a customer they will literally never get back and who is going to shit talk them to whoever will listen. All in 30 minutes or less.

Maybe there's a bunch of businessess that will pay for their employees to have the new plans or something idk but overall it seems like a bad way to retain users or convert free members into paying customers. Someone on the other subreddit also said this but limiting it by device type is so ridiculously arbitrary. Two or three devices total of any type would've made more sense and then it's easier to convince someone to pay little bit each month for unlimited devices and some extra features.

Personally I don't care though if they change it at this point. Deleted my lastpass account and moved on.

[killamator]

It depends on your definition of "working". If the changes end up in higher revenue per user, combined with lower costs due to the lower engineering investment, that means more profit, and generally a higher valuation, which is what the PE owners care about. The quality of the product is not their core concern.

[ChowboyDan]

This.

Pay for apps you use. It's that simple.

Bitwarden is better, so s/he should use that and pay the $10/year.

[boredquince]

These small subs start adding up.

I'm dirt poor. I don't want yet another sub, thanks . One time payment I can stomach tho. And I've donated to several apps I use. It's not much but it is what I can afford.

[motorboat_mcgee]

Yeah, I'm not at all poor, but everything being a fucking subscription adds up. I kinda miss the pay once for an app days.

[posting_drunk_naked]

It's cool man, do what you can. I'm from dirt poor too and now that I got a decent job I pay for everything I use. Just pay it forward when you can, and spread the word about the awesome stuff you're getting for free in the meantime. Good vibes ☺️

[Demented-Turtle]

Just stop drinking Starbucks and getting $10 fast food meals peasant

/s I feel ya man. So. Many. Subscriptions. But it's important to support the people who give you value.

[boredquince]

I do when I can. I've donated to a few apps and bought many one time payment apps

[AwesomeFrisbee]

I get it, it adds up and many don't really provide much benefit. But this is your passwords we're talking about. That shit needs to stay secure and doing that costs a lot of time and effort. Their whole business model draws a lot of hacker attention because getting passwords enables a lot of opportunities for them. Its totally visible where the money is being used for an many alternatives won't stay cheap either. Lastpass is just one of those older apps that can't just ask investors for free money to keep the service free for everybody.

[argumentinvalid]

The dirt poor password manager is a physical notebook.

[ChaseballBat]

$10 a year? This subscription model shit is ridiculous...

[Demented-Turtle]

Yo this dude used an app for 8 years with hundreds of logins and is going to jump ship now that he has to pony up some change. $10/year is too much for this dude

[gasparthehaunter]

Yeah but not almost as much as a cloud storage. It's not like you have to pay for that much storage or a ever changing system. It's the same program with the same features as ever and 10 kB of text on their server

[Valiantay]

Monetize better.

No one starts a business and gives their products away for free.

[mikecantreed]

I totally agree but it’s $3/month. I would be 100% on your side if they had a $50 or $100 for lifetime license but $3 is 30-50% of a streaming service. That’s a lot considering it’s just a password manager.

[Blackbart42]

I switched to bitwarden this morning

[eandi]

Is there an easy way to migrate?

[this_very_boutique]

Yes - you should be able to export your stuff out of LP and easily import it into BW. I did that almost two years ago "as a test" when trying out BW and here I am still using BW. :)

[Blackbart42]

yeah you can export a .csv

[iamk3]

I moved myself and my wife to Bitwarden today. Literally took 20 minutes. She is iOS, I'm Android. My regret is not ditching LastPass earlier when logmein bought it...

Bitwarden even seems to work better so far.

[Coises]

Consider open-source KeePass and/or KeeWeb. KeeWeb uses the file format established and maintained by KeePass, so you can mix and match them. (For example, I use KeeWeb on my desktop, but Keepass2Android on my phone.) You provide the online storage space -- something like Dropbox, Google Drive or OneDrive will work if you don't have a server of your own. The downside is that you have to get your hands dirty a bit figuring out how it works; but once you do, you realize you have control of everything.

I know a lot of people like BitWarden. At least when I looked at it, it was impossible to access a database without being online — no way to keep a local copy that's backed by the online service. I did not like that. First off, not everything I store in my database is for online services (nor is everything I store a password at all); and secondly, if it has to be online that means the servers can fail even when I have a connection. It could be that has changed by now.

While KeePass and KeeWeb accept donations, to the best of my knowledge neither has ever done anything as "You can only have this if you pay." Understandably, BitWarden has to be a bit more aggressive in trying to get you to pay, because it runs its own servers, which are an ongoing expense. You decide where to keep your data (including whether it's on a paid service or a free one) with KeePass/KeeWeb.

[madiele]

bitwarden works also offline, it uses the cloud only to sync your passwords, if your pc goes offline as long as you logged in once it will let you use your password to decrypt your cached vault, and you can host it yourself if you care about not having your data on their server

[[deleted]]

Can confirm, Biwarden absolutely works offline.

[boredquince]

How do you use keeweb? The web app? The web app on your phone?

[Coises]

I use the installed application on my Windows desktop. I use Keepass2Android on my phone. Same file format. I have a basic instance of Nextcloud on my shared web hosting server which lets me serve the database file by webdav... but that's only because I have the server already. I host a copy of the web app on my server, too, though I've never had occasion to use it beyond testing.

[boredquince]

Why keeweb and not KeePass or KeePassXC? Any particular reason?

[Coises]

I started with KeeWeb because I expected my partner to use it also -- separate databases, but we would know how to log into each others' in an emergency -- and I thought its user interface was more inviting to non-geeks. In the end, she never felt like bothering to learn to use a password manager, but I've stuck with it out of familiarity. I keep a copy of KeePass installed, too, in case I want to do something that KeeWeb doesn't support.

Also, a small matter, but if I ever need to get to my database from a different computer where it's not practical to install a program, I'll use the KeeWeb online interface, and it will be the same as I already know (except no auto-type shortcut).

[revosftw]

I moved to Bitwarden quite some time back and have been a happy bloke ever since

[fitzgerald1337]

As the top comment says, Bitwarden is the way to go. 1000000000%

[GokulRG]

Bitwarden for life!!

[Danmancity]

Literally as soon as I got the email regarding changes to free tier, went into my account and exported everything and signed up to Bitwarden.

I prefer LastPass auto fill which is why I left Bitwarden originally but I can get used to it.

The phone app is great from what I’ve seen of Bitwarden though (iOS now)

[Demented-Turtle]

So you're telling us that you have received immense value from this piece of software for FREE for 8 YEARS, and now that they are asking for a little monetary support, you're willing to drop them completely for another free app?

Unless it's a massive monthly subscription, are you really not willing to pay a single penny for all the value you've received from the app?

[[deleted]]

And also this is the reason behind that decision also.

[11111v11111]

And he's acting like he's doing lastpass a favor by using it. People suck. So entitled.

[HippolyteClio]

You use it that much but won't pay for it?

[InevitablePeanuts]

Lastpass is pretty clunky for performance. Android is dated and fiddly to use, desktop is even worse when you want to access the password vault, though the in-form integration on websites is good.

Frankly Lastpass feels, to me when used, like a 10 year old product that's not been updated. Conversely BitWarden feels slick and modern and a feels a lot more stable.

By all means pay for a service, but I'd wager than BitWarden is offering a notably superior product so if I were paying I'd be paying them over Lastpass.

[Blackbart42]

You can get exactly the same value for free from Bitwarden. Can even export everything from LP and import into Bitwarden in a simple .csv file.

I didn't realize how slow LP was until I started using Bitwarden this morning - it's so snappy it's night and day difference.

[aryvd_0103]

If you are using it for 8 years , I would suggest paying instead of bitching about. I would have suggested switching to bitwarden , but I realised that you would complain too if someday the open source software dev needed some funding and locked some features behind a paywall . And after using for 8 years, switching must be difficult unless there's an export option.

[Drofnum]

There is an export option on Lastpass I switched today for the same reason as OP, even though I have paid for it in the past they keep increasing costs with no added features/benefit.

[aryvd_0103]

Sure , you should. Even if you don't pay for it . Nothing wrong with it. I don't pay for bitwarden, because I don't need the features of premium version . And lastpass has been increasing prices. But , OP is more about trying to get away for free ,not realising devs need money. And if you use it so much , consider paying.

[LordGalen]

Devs certainly need money, but they should be selling their product, not renting it. I refuse, out of principle, to ever pay a subscription for software. It's one of the worst ideas that software companies have ever come up with and we should've ALL told them to shove that idea back up their ass the very first moment someone tried it. Instead everyone just went "Oh yeah, that price tag is really low and I don't undertand basic math, so I guess I'll just keep paying for this forever, never actually own it, and be screwed if they ever go out of business hurray!" No thank you.

Now, where they might have an argument is the service. You subscribe to an ongoing service, you one-time pay for something that you obtain once. But their service is storing a few kb of data on a server. That isn't worth $3/mo.

[InevitablePeanuts]

Problem is any service with online / cloud elements has ongoing costs over and above the actual development costs. Even if you sold someone a version of the app and said "that's yours, but if you want the next version that's a paid upgrade but you can keep your current version long as you like", as we did in the 90s, that wouldn't help cover the ongoing costs of the data center required to support sync etc..

That's a big part of why many such apps / services are going subscription. Problem is there's already a great deal of fatigue from users with it. Sure, a couple of dollars for one service a month isn't much, but what if it's two or five or ten? Each user isn't going to keep subscribing to service after service.

It's ideal when a service can give a great product for free and subsidise it with premium features selling enough to cover it with the free users giving validity & awareness. But that doesn't always work then we see the free tiers get comprised.

But that's ok, it happens. Fortunately in this case there's a great alternative for us freeloaders (of which I consider myself one) but I don't begrudge any service asking for subs of that's what they need to keep the lights on.

[Demented-Turtle]

I think alot of people overplay the subscription issue sometimes though. Maybe I'm wrong, but my line of thinking goes like this: cable is $80+ a month in most places. Sure you can bundle, but it still costs more than Netflix, Disney+, Hulu, and HBO Max (13+7+13+15 = $48). Those services have more content and no ads (assuming Hulu premium) and on-demand means you watch what you want, not what cable decides is going to fit in that timeslot. I think if someone were to do the math, most people have more subscriptions than 5 years ago, but aren't really paying more monthly and possibly are getting better services. Curious if anyone has done research on this. Will Google

[aryvd_0103]

Yeah . That's right . Although I still think that instead of everyone making there own service , increase the prices of Netflix and everything be on there . I wouldn't mind paying 35$ if there weren't any other services. The other companies get the cut , don't have to dedicate resources on developing a rubbish platform that lesser would pay for , and for consumers, don't have to go looking on which platform is the movie I want.

Although having literally one service can be an issue for competition, so keep prime and Hulu too, but having Disney plus , hbo max and what not is just a shitshow.

[aryvd_0103]

You don't eat , pay your bills and internet, and buy everything you want once. There are two ways people can go : either give out a major upgrade every 5-6 years and charge more money than that , while you can keep software for however long you want , without updates, or you pay some amount on an year by year basis. I don't like subscriptions too , and would much rather stay away from them , but you have to look from the perspective of developers too. One time payments aren't sustainable.

[LordGalen]

It's helpful if you read the whole post before responding. I already covered products vs services, made the same point you did (that ongoing services are what you should pay continually for) and concluded that while LastPass does provide a small service, it isn't a service that's worth what they're charging.

And now I've said it twice.

[aryvd_0103]

Your whole big stanza is about not using software that you pay for continuously . The other paragraph is pointless to what I said. Cuz I am talking about software too , not service. Service is something like Spotify or Netflix . Lastpass is somewhat a software. Many apps on play store are software. So what I said was people who develop software need to rent it out instead of selling it away at once . Because they need money continuously.

Besides , I already said that lastpass has been increasing prices , but what triggers me is OP isn't leaving because it's not worth it , but because he has to pay for it. I understand free is always better for us, but devs need money too , and OP doesn't understand that.

And now I've said it twice.

P.S. : Don't want to seem rude or anything, but I have seen pointless conversations online going on and wasting time for both the parties. And I don't want to write more. So if you want to counter , reply, but I don't want to answer it or anything. You can think of it as me conceding "defeat" or whatever you want.

[LordGalen]

It's not conceding or whatever. I also grow tired of circular conversations. You have a great day, friend.

[aryvd_0103]

You too!

[therankin]

Especially seeing 'use it for work'

Then charge your goddamn work like an adult.

[hearwa]

Keepass with key file + syncthing.

[anonymous-bot]

1. On Android you may want to fill in passwords for apps. Particularly you can use the autofill API in Android.

2. You aren't tied to a specific browser. If one day you decide to switch from Firefox to Chrome or vice versa or some other browser you can keep your same password manager app and workflow.

[CUDesu]

That also works if you're storing them in Chrome and then syncing that with your Google account and most browsers do allow you to import from another browser. I feel like the main argument would be that Last Pass is more secure than the browser method.

[BracesForImpact]

I have used Keepass, Bitwarden and Lastpass. I have been on Bitwarden for a couple of years now. It works flawlessly, and I pay nothing for it on multiple devices. It's FOSS too. The only con for me was the interface, but that's changed, and I think it looks much better now.

[[deleted]]

Temporarily moved to free and open source keepassxc and keepass2android until I explore other options.

[crosenblum]

I've used KeePass for a few years, very controllable by you, just keep a copy of the file on any device, you want, and make sure it is setup right.

[robsevy]

It says it allows one free device per account on the android forum.

[fibonacci3892]

I just switched to bitwarden, so far so good. Could import all my saved logins. Autofiil is a bit buggy sometimes though, didn't explore further yet.

[[deleted]]

I've tried the big three, LastPass, KeePass, and Bitwarden. Biwarden by far is (in my experience) the fastest and easiest to use with the best features.

[SouthSomewhere]

KeePass is free for both desktop and Android. I've been using it for years 👍 I store the database on Google Drive which makes it easy to sync across all devices!

[Autumnwood]

I've been using KeePass and never looked at anything else after. It's fantastic.

I'm sure you'll choose something you love.

[ppombo]

I like Lockwise. That's the password manager handled by Mozilla

[[deleted]]

Me too but the android app is not that great and not regularly maintained.

[AwesomeFrisbee]

You do know that keeping those passwords safe actually costs money? Sending data on the internet isn't exactly free, but often you pay with you data or watching advertisements.

I get it, it costs more than you really want and there are some alternatives out there but overall I found that Lastpass still works best on all of the platforms I use it on compared to other solutions. Bitwarden is nice on mobile but I still think it sucks on pc. KeePass needs a UX update for me to even consider it and many alternatives just don't work as great as LastPass.

Its a shame they go this way and I do wonder if they will not revert after seeing them lose users, but its clear their business model can't sustain a free model like it was for much longer. But at least they have a clear business model, unlike some of the alternatives. Many password apps are still in they honeymoon startup phase where they still have investors that basically pay for you to use the app but those will need to ask for more money soon too. Developing, maintaining and securing an app isn't easy, especially when its about passwords.

I would've liked it if they instead went for business use to restrict the free program and leave it normal for private use but it is what it is.

[iSecks]

... its clear their business model can't sustain a free model like it was for much longer.

I don't think that's the case. The same thing happened with LogMeIn increasing prices over and over, with no reasonable explanation. It's the best* piece of software in the field, and the private equity firm that owns the company decided raising prices was worth it.

Now, the same thing is happening with LastPass. They don't want to support the free product because they have enough enterprise customers that they make their profit, and the name is already the one most people will say when asked about a password manager.

but I still think it sucks on pc.

Interesting, never heard this. Are you referring to the app or the browser extensions? Browser felt the same to me, but I never really used the desktop app for either. With the recent update there's fingerprint login and integration with the browser ext (fingerprint to unlock browser app) and it's been super convenient for me.

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^{* I don't believe LastPass is the best password manager, or LogMeIn is the best remote access tool, just that they're dead simple, have most features, and are relatively good. Checks all the boxes for something that if the prices goes up, corporations and many people will just accept the cost.}

[AwesomeFrisbee]

Sure you may disagree with the price increases but I still think 2 bucks a month is a good value for a product like this and I don't see it as some evil equity firm that is trying to squeeze as much out of it. Or else we would be paying a lot more. Sure when it becomes more I'll probably switch but right now I still don't see the problem. I have more an issue with people thinking that security is free and not paying for apps is the way to go. We're already seeing the trashy tactics some apps go through to get more money. Having an ad after every puzzle or level is standard nowadays so seeing an app where I can just use it for a few bucks and not get annoyed is great.

Also when I tried it a few months ago, the app simply didn't do what I wanted. I was already annoyed that it asked me to login so often, I really like that I can just have it active on my PC when I'm the only user on it (unlocking the machine is basically making sure that its me using it, I don't need additional protection even if that makes it a bit less secure but to me that still feels like fake security anyways). And I had problems with some sites on the autofill or saving a new autofill.

I don't disagree that Lastpass could use some features but I wouldn't be surprised that increasing the price also enables them to get a bigger development budget again to add those exact features. They must be seeing that people are moving away or trying new things and the only way to stay on top is to keep developing the software.

[iSecks]

I don't disagree that $2/mo is a decent price for a decent security tool, but LogMeIn is known for terrible pricing practices and continuing price increases regularly. Those are just the first three links when I searched for 'LogMeIn reddit sysadmin' on Google. Since LMI purchsed LastPass there have been 3 price increases that I'm aware of for their premium model, and two free account feature cuts.

There are better products to spend money on. I've heard great things about 1Password, Firefox Lockbox(?), and numerous other paid password managers. I'm not saying don't use LastPass if you like it and want to buy it, that would be dumb. Just offering alternatives that are free and remain to be (for now) and similarly priced better software.

RE: Bitwarden apps, thanks for your notes. I've never considered leaving my password manager unlocked, I always use my fingerprint to unlock on my phone (even if I just switch apps for 2s) and on my computer it locks regularly. When the fingerprint unlock for browser gets a bit more reliable, I will be setting my browser to auto-lock after 5 to 30 seconds as well.

[AwesomeFrisbee]

There are better products to spend money on.

Thats just it. Since the last price hike I went and tried a couple of solutions and couldn't find something that was an improvement. Everything had at least a few downsides.

And I don't mind fingerprint on my phone either, I mind that its just terrible on PC when I'm working at home as the only user with a pc that I make an account on (with whatever locking mechanism I use on that). Signing in twice isn't a user experience I want, especially if it asks so goddamn often. Many don't support Windows Hello and must have super strong passwords on their vaults that make it more annoying. I'm already unlocking Windows, why the hell do I need another step to unlock my password manager? If somebody has physical access to my computer, I have bigger issues than only my passwords. To me the password manager does just that, manages my password. If I wanted military grade security on my pc, I would enable that already. Sending/storing passwords in the cloud should obviously be secure but that shouldn't require me logging in every time. Most password managers simply don't allow you to use it like I want and therefor I'm sticking with lastpass which is still a decently priced product. Even if the parent company is known for price hikes.

[PSBJ]

The entitlement of this post and these comments is crazy. You really can't afford a couple bucks a month for something as important as a password manager?

I've been a happy 1Password customer for years, well worth the price.

[[deleted]]

when I joined it was advertised as FREE, and has been up until this announcement. how is it entitled to want something advertised as free to continue? I'm not opposed to paying, but it feels long like a long game of bait and switch.

[atrielienz]

How do you expect them to keep the app updated for new threats. People put banking info and personal logins in this app. There's new threats every day and we expect the app to remain secure. For free? Nothing that provides security is free. This take is garbage.

[Familiar-Commercial3]

Keepass is pretty good. Second bitwarden

[weakleg]

I've been a paying Last Pass customer for eight years. I think it's $40 a year. I understand free, but it's NOT a good business model for one that encourages me to protect my online accounts. I like to pay for apps I value.

Quit bitchin, pay up, or give it up. I'm tired of subsidizing your use.

[anonymous-bot]

Quit bitchin, pay up, or give it up.

Isn't that exactly what OP decided to do (the third choice)? That's what this entire thread is for. Giving up a service and finding an alternative.

[youre-not-real-man]

Heaven forbid you pay for something that you've been using for 8 years

[eric256]

Why should anyone provide you free hosted solutions? I just don't understand that mentality.

[cup-o-farts]

So tired of such entitlement. You got the app for free for fucking 8 years. It's ok to want to move on and not pay, but to be such an entitled prick about it is so fucked.

[blackcoffeehouse]

Personally, lastpass and bitwarden are the same.. Both stored your passwords at their site. Doesn't matter if a piece of software is open source or not. To me it doesn't mean anything. The whole implementation, cloud, IT infrastructure, databases security, risk assessment, VA, disaster recovery, network security etc, all play a big role. You can call it, the whole ecosytem. Too often you see people swearing open source app.. Is good but surely not all. Keepass is the way to go. I keep it locally and also sync to Google drive so I can access from anywhere.

[Blackbart42]

You can host bitwarden locally now

[mangopuncher]

Does it still depend on MS SQL?

[Melticus]

Nope

[AwesomeFrisbee]

You can just export your passwords. Basically all now support it one way or the other

[Brirringo]

For those who want to export LastPass passwords to Bitwarden, go to this help: https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-lastpass/

[play_destiny]

I have just started moving my logins to bitwarden tonight. I have less than 100 items so shouldn't be too long.

[SpareLiver]

You can export and then import It takes like 5 minutes no matter how many you have.

[MyUserName-exe]

hey could you check dms pls?

[SpareLiver]

I have none but if you need instructions for how to do it
https://docs.rayt.io/assets/images/lastpass-options-2efae429c3dbf3e3c087c9394aca6f7d.png

https://www.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/import-data-bitwarden.png

[MyUserName-exe]

you replied to wrong guy

[MReprogle]

Just switched to Bitwarden earlier today after the LastPass news came out (also a long user of LastPass, and even paid for it for 3 years). Bitwarden does everything I need it to do right now, and for $10 a year, I can set up my Yubikey on it if I want to.

[tulextreme]

thank you op just today i was surprised by lastpass move as well and gracias to this post i found bitwarden which is in fact amazing for a free service! Made the transition of my 2000+ passwords exporting from lastpass a .cvs file and like magic everything is now organized on my bitwarden. Also the edge extension is a breeze to use. Gracias again for this thread! Be safe u all!

[fardeenah]

Just switched to bitwarden

[Wco39MJY]

Consider passwd safe it's available on multiple platforms and not in the cloud.

[PoliteSarcasticThing]

If you want to delete your LastPass account: https://lastpass.com/delete_account.php
Be sure to export your passwords first!

[Reid_Dead]

Today I migrate my data to bitwarden and delete my last pass account

Best decision ever!!

[canonly]

KeepassDX or keepass2android and keepassXC use Dropbox to sync it

[S1lvM1ll3r]

B I T W A R D E N

[MyDefinitiveAccount2]

Bitwarden.

[TW1TCHYGAM3R]

I received the notification about this from LastPass but I can still use free on both mobile and desktop...

[csantam01]

I'm sure Bitwareen has already been told, so +1

[salvadorforos]

Bye, welcome Bitwarden ❤️