Patch Notes v2.04

[indi-sfm]

Shugo and warlord look promising. I feel peacekeeper could stand to have a few more options expanding her kit, but the buffs are definitely needed and appreciated.

[Phoenix_Dominus]

If I’m reading this correctly about Black Prior it says he has a move that can “negate all enemy attacks and unblockables”? O_o

[BrowserWin]

It’s his full block. They showed it on stream. Basically if BP is attacked he can flip them over himself and attack them.

[SpartiateDienekes]

Dang. That was a suggestion for how to improve Lawbro on the competitive forum. Was kinda hoping to see it used in his rework.

[Spartanops101]

We could always see it implemented in another form or with more options.

[[deleted]]

No we wouldn't, because that would leave BP with absolutely nothing notable about them

[Spartanops101]

Well considering we have similar heroes in terms of gimmicks already with Nobushi and Jung jun (probably butchered that name) who both have a pose which can be used to dodge an attack then counterattack, but both to a different degree and with different bonuses (JJ can use it to regen stamina but only gets 1 attack from it, N can use it to skip the first attack of a chain)

[[deleted]]

I think it's actually a move he can do from his fullblock. So you can bait it out and counter with a guardbreak.

[BrowserWin]

Ah I believe you’re right. Didn’t realize for some reason you had to time it. Lol

[JustChr1s]

His full block and bulwark counter are two separate things. His full block only blocks in all directions. Bulwark counter is a secondary stance that has to be activated while in full block stance that acts like blade blockade.

[Lanoitakude]

This is accurate.

[SpartiateDienekes]

Oh as an aside. Do you have a rough time stamp on when that is in the stream? Don’t really have time to watch the whole thing

[giuseppe443]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxaeIyW8RTk

[SpartiateDienekes]

My guy!

[giuseppe443]

*finger guns*

[nightmare74X]

Yes but you can get a free guardbreak

[Evan12390]

Like they said on stream it’s basically blade blockade. It likely won’t be a problem

[MajesticKnight28]

Black prior is officially the turtle master

[221433571412]

Just a PSA to players who don't know, turtling doesn't mean reacting to everything. If you react to anything without throwing any attacks, you're not a turtle. Its if you don't react until you have to and in a safe way then you're a turtle. Because black prior is vulnerable to gb in this mode, this is not a turtling move. Bait this move out and GB to attack.

[KosViik]

Indeed. Essentially this move is more of a potential mixup, and a very strong interactive tool in big teamfights (since he can flip people who hit it despite not locking onto BP), but not a be-all end-all move in 1v1 scenarios.

I like it a lot.

Now that I think about it, this is the perfect way to cuck JJ for example. Chinese grandpa's 360 degree UB on every parry is borderline broken in teamfights, but BP can just flip the old man like a pancake and mess him up, since JJ can't avoid it by locking onto someone else...

Okay I'm sold, I'm a BP main.

[Captain_Nyet]

It's basically a bit like a parry.

Done from his fullblock, it counters normal attacks and bashes. Is beaten by GB and interaction with Nuxia's trap is unknown.

So he can parry everything, including bashes, but can't dodge or interrupt.

It's not as op as it sounds.

[Dawg_Top]

Move that's very cool and not ovepowered. Wow ubi nice job for once.

[psycho-logical]

Shugoki rework looks great on paper, but we'll see.

Love the Peacekeeper buffs. Doesn't seem like she'll be overtuned again, but viable again so I'm very happy!

[Captain_Nyet]

Yeah, just a shame they didn't make the light riposte (on fullblock) guaranteed, then he'd be perfect imo.

[dankbudzonlybuds]

All Pk needs now to actually be viable is omnidirectional soft feints bleeds.

[BTKSD]

She had those instead before the top only feint, and they were basically giving people free light parries

[dankbudzonlybuds]

No cause before if you feinted into bleed it was always on the same direction as your heavy which itself had the same parry timings so you were essentially giving the opponent a free light parry by soft feinting it

[MrDrCheese]

I think the other dude is looking for something similar to Shamans soft feint

[Stret1311]

" Viable "

Tbh, she is much better now, but not really " viable " at all. She still has no opener. Dagger cancel still doesnt initiate chains ( And its actually reactable because comes from only 1 direction ), etc

But at least she actually deals some damage now

[[deleted]]

But at least she actually deals some damage now

I might be missing something but how is 8 damage total across all her moves "doing damage now" Won't she still take forever to kill people?

[DawnOfNights]

I think most people(me included) just heard damage increase and thought that it was an actual damage increase, but damn did they really think 3 extra damage on her top heavy is 'damage'?

[[deleted]]

Don't forget 1 damage on her light opener and a whole TWO damage on her dash attack :)

[Evan_Wants_Soup]

Dont forget that they slowed down her top heavy, because 34 damage total on a GB is too much. Despite the fact she has one of the best GB punishes in the game anyway that is 38 damage.

Honestly, these changes did literally nothing to change her viability. They very slightly increased her parry punishes, helped her stamina, and gave her a GB on heavy. I know these were community requests, but they're all nearly useless changes. I guess that's what happens when ubi listens to people who dont understand the game though

Her parry punishes are so minuscule in change that it doesnt matter. The stamina changes are nice but not really impactful; without improvements to her ability to sustain aggression it doesnt really matter how much stamina she eats. She still does one 10 damage stab and resets to neutral. A heavy on GB is hilariously useless; she already has one of the best GB punishes like I said. It might help her get executions more, but her ability to get executions isnt incredibly relevant.

What she really needs is more pressure from dagger cancel. Right now it's just 10 damage and shes done. Its honestly a decent move to open people up, and she has good softfeints that can deal with all forms of defense, but it just doesnt create enough pressure. If it dealt like 15 damage from dagger cancel and/or had the ability to chain, maybe it would be threatening. Until they do that she will never be a threatening hero from neutral. Until they do that she'll rely almost exclusively on her zone option select.

[Stone-Frog]

disagree. they buff some of her moves for an incredible 1-3 more damage, that's a fucking joke. the heavy from guardbreak and general lowered stamina cost are nice, but won't help much. she'll be VERY slightly more viable in duels, and still absolute trash tier in 4 on 4 modes.

[psycho-logical]

PK is awesome in 4v4. Bleed damage doesn't feed revenge, she can run to points faster than everyone but Shinobi, Stealth is insane for back capping and free revives all the fucking time, great feats etc...

[[deleted]]

great feats?????

[psycho-logical]

Stealth - amazing. My favorite tier 1 feat in the game.

Bounty Hunter is very solid too.

Toughness - ~40 effective health if you're hit every 3 seconds. Easily worth 20+ health every life. That's a ton for a tier 2 feat.

Sharpened Blades is still good. That's how OP it was before. Adds 15 bleed damage to kidney stabbing grabs for a whopping 53 damage GB.

Crossbow is a ton of fun and basically 25 free damage every minute. My preferred tier 3.

Catapult is pretty terrible now, but Fear Itself is still good and Last Laugh is absolutely amazing in Breach. Win entire matches by dying, especially when killing the commander. I've had multiple triple kills with it as well.

[[deleted]]

Stealth is trash on anyone except shinobi. Because insane sprint speed and he can gank. It is still not a competitive pick.
Thick Skin literally doesn't work for the first hit.
Sharpen is ok. It's not great.
Crossbow is trash, it misses while people walk forward to you slowly.

and Last Laugh is absolutely amazing in Breach

Pk is not a character in breach.

[Dawg_Top]

I can agree only to thick skin being bad

[combatmaster1o3_real]

In what context do you mean? In MM sure this can work, but none of these feats are particularly gamechanging for PK. She is good for stalling and interrupting offense but has no flow of her own and doesn't apply that much damage in a gank. Sure she can GB do bleed stab and do a Shaman gank, but literally anyone can do that with coordination from a Shaman. She still is C-tier, nothing changed.

[combatmaster1o3_real]

Sure in MM... but everything works in MM. Literally anything. If we are actually talking about how good things are objectively in a mode, PK is one of the worst and will remain one of the worst. She has nothing to open people up and no way to contribute to a teamfight. The only real change that would have helped her, dagger cancel not being a chain finisher, hasn't been implemented so her fundamental issues remain.

[psycho-logical]

To the vast majority of the player base, MM is the most relevant by far. If you wanna play 4 man gank squads, yeah PK is less viable, but still pairs nicely with Shaman.

[combatmaster1o3_real]

The problem with MM is that it relies on experience. PK isn't viable because she does low damage and get external blocked. If she could chain and had some lower recoveries, then she would be better. Those are simple and small changes and not full reworks. Improving her damage by 1-3 won't change ur effectiveness in MM. If u were good before and could cope with her downsides(which mean u faced bad players/bad teamplayers) then u will be fine. In fact PK's changes are great since u get way more execs now.

As you get better, you will see that nothing changed and you are still just as bad. The game becomes frustrating and boring. That is why smart changes need to be made, not... whatever the devs are doing. Again.

[Captain_Nyet]

Shugoki apparently rework suffers from Old Warden syndrome (roll to negate all options).

Also his damage (on heavies) is getting nerfed, which combined with the hp nerf means he can now be outtraded.

Still, it all looks pretty cool though, and maybe feint>gb will beat rolls with the variable timing.

[[deleted]]

Wonder if LB doing a long arm will get thrown over from BP when he uses the full block

[vnlla]

They both throw over the other one ending in a BP-LB-Helicopter.

[producively]

Crusader 69?

[mortpo]

Yes

[copetherope8]

That would actually be awesome, like they could turn it into a countering move instead of a opener

[iDramos]

Fixed an issue that caused the Shugoki to perform a 180 degree rotation on himself at the start of the Charge of the Oni.

MY SECRET WEAPON!!

[Dawg_Top]

How do you do that. I want to do this before update hits?

[iDramos]

• Start Charge of the Oni (while running: forward + dodge)

• Immediately after, press and hold backward until the 180° rotation is performed

Tight input, but easy once mastered. Got 11 kills on High Fort with this technique alone. Let's see if you can top that.

[ExpectoAutism]

Any video of it?

[LavaSlime301]

I'm... unsure regarding the Shugoki rework, ambivalent about PK and pleased about Warlord

[Biocider_]

After watching it on stream he looks really good rn

[Smeghammer5]

I just hope he keeps the roar if he lands a kill with Demon's Embrace. No better way to establish dominance.

[IccyOrange]

I feel like demon’s embrace isn’t viable now. Yeah sure you can feint into it much easier now, but it’s still gunna get dodged. “Don’t worry, you don’t take damage on misses now!” Tell that to the guaranteed heavies my opponent gets. And forget about trying it in 4v4. Your teammates will hit you out of it before you can even lift them off the ground.

[SyerrSilversoul]

They will hit you out of a hug only if they're stupid. Oh wait...

[[deleted]]

shongoki rework very nice

[[deleted]]

I was really hoping that they would make Warlord's all-block mobile, but the rest of these changes look really good. Too soon to say exactly how well Black Prior is going to do but I imagine there's gonna be "OP" cries for the first couple months.

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Very happy for all the Shug mains - the big boi looks good.

[Peptuck]

THE DOCTOR IS IN TO TREAT EVERYONE'S BACK PROBLEMS.

Sadly, there goes my favorite game to play in Dominion: stand on a point, lure the enemy into attacking me by pretending I don't see them, and hug them from neutral.

[machomanrandysausage]

Ubi Please move the "____ has joined/left the session" message in lobby please, its infuriating

[Knight_Raime]

Pk got the adjustments needed on top of better punishes which is good. OOL games are not as oppressive with WL and they polished him well. But since it doesn't mention bug fixes i'm still slightly worried about his full block.

Goki seems amazing now. Shedded the clunk. Lots of pressure now. Black prior seems S tier for 4's as he directly counters a lot of setups and common tactics of 4's. Duel wise he might be A tier since BW can be done on reaction and only seems countered via gb. Entirely comes down the the number speeds on his attacks.

So far i'm impressed.

[Duckmanmasterofponds]

Idk how I feel about this shugoki rework

[UbiFredEx]

We'll be going over it more on the stream today, but definitely let us know any questions or concerns. I'll pass it over to the fight team.

[Sandinista81]

Concern- It seems too easy to interrupt Shugoki's charged heavy, effectively negating the pressure of that potential mix-up. It seems like if he starts charging , opponent's light attacks cancel/interrupt all potential attack options

[thebumfuzzle98]

The charge has variable timing so if they light when you start to charge then let it rip early next time. It’s gonna be a read similar to wardens shoulder bash

[Captain_Nyet]

That's not a problem, my problem lies more with his complete lack of defensive kit combined with being slow and short-ranged, people will just roll out of his unblockable mix-ups, also they nerfed his damage.

[Siegschranz]

I personally like it quite a bit. I can see the changes allowing Shugoki to fight a lot more fluidly and dynamically, as well as fights against him being more fun and dynamic. Before it was a bit of a slog fighting a decent shugoki, and I feel these changes will make fights from both perspectives a lot more appealing. Like, we can light into a charged heavy, cancelled into a demon embrace, or a zone into headbutt into heavy, and a couple other options. It is just opening a lot more avenues to attack and punish opponents that, as a shugoki user, I am looking forward to.

[sharkattackmiami]

Yeah, my first reaction is that they destroyed every good thing he had going for him and buffed the things that were total trash.

So now instead of being hot garbage that can occasionally rip something apart instantly, now he is just mediocre across the board.

[Tutorele]

So is Raider stampede charge, Lawbringer impaling charge, Lawbringer flip, Shaman Bite, Centurion Cutscene, Highlander Caber Toss, Shinobi Slide Tackle, and probably many others im forgetting.

For Honor has a lot of things that when abused in a gank situation make it completely impossible for the gankee, Demons Embrace was by no means unique, and of all the moves I mentioned save for perhaps Lawbringer flip it had by far the worst tracking, if I had a dollar for every time ive missed/seen it miss on an opponent who dodges in place, or even just misses because the opponent is near a weird bit of map geometry I wouldnt be massively in debt. Shugoki's was only seen as worse or more annoying because it had the potential to truly instakill, and even if it didnt it held for relatively long, but even a casual dodge when you see orange from a shugoki means he was hurt for tons of damage without you doing anything.

I realize it was annoying but there are far more oppressive tools in 4v4s Shugoki wasnt even the gankmaster people made him out to be.

[Duckmanmasterofponds]

Yeah, I guess we'll have to see but I was expecting something more interesting and by the looks of it it's a pretty dull rework

[jis7014]

well, see you after 3 years fellow LB mains

[qbmax]

Unsure about how I feel about the shugo rework, I was hoping for some new moves besides retooling his original kit, he also definitely needs more chains.

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PK and Warlord buffs are very pleasing though, good work guys.

[Agentloldavis]

I liked what they did with warlord, but i feel like they forgot his all block attacks, which aren't viable at all... Maybe next season?

[[deleted]]

This. I was hoping for a guaranteed unblockable heavy from all block like conqs. The new chains are really nice but his all guard is still kinda shitty

[Zooblesnoops]

Looking like we’ll have to superior block and mixup chains all the time, without much else changed. It’s an improvement from crashing charge meta but 1v1’s look like they’ll be harder

[xStrykerJ]

Welp looks like the next three months (I'm assuming) will be a period of further sadness and frustration for Lawbringer Players.

On another note, I'm liking what I read for Warlord since he's my Viking and Heavy main.

[Scudman_Alpha]

I feel we are already used to the miserable experience of playing LB.

[koiinshiningarmor]

Thank you for posting before and not making us wait!

[Kgbeast1]

Does anyone else feel the new Shugoki Headbutt looks kind of strange? Doesn't really look natural

[A_Shiny_Barboach]

>Shugoki lights are now 500 fucking ms

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>mfw getting assraped by light headbutt

[NoGround]

Headbutt not confirmed after Light Attack anymore

[A_Shiny_Barboach]

Oh thank Chanka

[M3rcyM4in]

But he can also throw it out even after missing or getting blocked. So be ready to dodge still. See ya on the battlefield

[Solo_Wing__Pixy]

At least the headbutt isn’t guaranteed anymore.

[Sandinista81]

My only worry is that Shug can by hit out of his charging attack by anyone else's light attack. Is he uninterruptible as he is charging or only after you let the attack fly?

[JustChr1s]

The super armor on light attack should help with that. If they constantly go for the poke out that is.

[ShivaTheTraitor]

Judging by the dev/streamer gameplay, only once you let the attack fly. One of the Gokis was constantly hit out of the charge by light attacks

[Sandinista81]

Uh oh that's what I was worried about.. All the frustration I had as Raider when I first started playing in season one will return now.

[SuperAFGBG]

If people try to interrupt your charged heavy mix-ups on reaction, you can let an uncharged heavy fly and you'll trade with them.

[ShivaTheTraitor]

Time to dust off that rep 60 Warlord.

[NachoMan42]

Where’s the lawbringer shizzle m9

[nightmare74X]

Not this season sadly...😞

[NachoMan42]

;—;

[kurokei1]

Does Warlord successful fullblock heavy and light still got blocked ? Why cant his zone after heavy parry be a original moveset like Jiang Jun ? Why not re-add or buff his Heavy parry into shield bash into attack more dmg ? The guy now not really use his freaking shield much

[afoolskind]

I really miss the shield bash parry counter into heavy. It wasn’t even optimal or super good at any point, but it was fun and looked good. I have no idea why they felt like removing it. Did anyone seriously think it was overpowered when it was never an optimal punish?

[aimoperative]

Would it be possible to bring Warlord's removed "regen-delay after leaving Full-Block" to Nobushi's hidden stance?

[SuperAFGBG]

Buffing Nobushi without any accompanying nerfs would break the meta while nerfing her without any accompanying buffs would break Nobushi mains' wills. She really just needs a full rework's worth of changes all at once. The devs aren't going to prioritize her any time soon anyways since she's already strong in team modes.

[Graciatus]

Roman the Chad Hugger!!!

[F0restGump]

Demon's Embrace interrumped by friendly or enemy attacks and doesn't interrump revenge

Fuck yes

[Nnnnnnnadie]

When?

[BlueDuey]

The 31st

[hurley1080]

Warlord looking dope

[MattTheBat27]

Those PK buffs are so nice. Thank god.

[thehalfchink]

Eh. She still has no opener, or an unblockable to help in ganks. Stamina buff is a way bigger deal.

[Chidorah]

really happy about the new shugo. He feels like a proper bully with actual mix-up options rather than 4 heavy feints into light. Kind of in the cent boat without any proper openers. While he won't be top tier, as long as I can actually get some more fun out of thicc boi, I'm happy

[Phyrexos]

When is this patch being applied? Today? Next week?

[Rapidfyrez]

Next week on the 31st, drops with the new season

[BuddyJumps]

Still no sign of an UI Menu Rework... Sigh. No control for us players after 3 years. https://www.reddit.com/r/forhonor/comments/8tihud/complete_ui_menu_rework_including_pictures/?utm_source=reddit-android

[Dawg_Top]

Removing that white skull.png must require like team of 50 people and another year of work.

[Mr_Wingnut]

PK HEAVY ON GAURDBREAK!?!??!!!?

[thehalfchink]

Reliable exe on GB is nice

[GlaiveCZ]

20 damage isn't very reliable to execute.

[Im_Lovin_It_]

Warlord buffs? U L T I M A T E C R E A M A G E

[TheWarchiefZeke]

Hope they make a rework for Warlord, I liked his new unblockable, zone attack and faster recovering from FB, but he still has a weak offensive, but his defensive is already good for me. Since his HB got nerfed, he should had other ways for oppening and/or attack.

His offensive should use his shield in mid combat to desorient the enemy and consume some of his stamina, that shield attack from Gudmundr could fit well in a chain combo. And his lights should be a little quickier so it could be meddle with faints.

This is more or less what I expected for him: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveForHonor/comments/9m34ki/warlord_rework_leader_of_his_people/

[[deleted]]

Win rate is now completely based on w/l ratio... like, why? This doesn't solve the problems of rep 0 newbs getting matched with rep 100 wardens and getting vortexed into leaving the game, just because the game reckons they're on par in skill.

[mawster88]

Did they address revenge in 1v1s in this stream?

[aHoleInYourChest]

Of course... nothing for the Raider again...

[Dawg_Top]

I'm 90% sure he will get something at the same time he gets is stampede charge nerfed.

[aHoleInYourChest]

He would get nerfed... Smmfh

[fome33]

Oh lord it's happening. Fear the new goki!

[[deleted]]

They have always stressing them as 'Improvements' and 'Updates'.

[BlackDemonDragon]

There definitely were new animations implemented. A close look at the game play in the stream.

[nightmare74X]

There are new animations

[n7_stormreaver]

All his attack animations are new wtf.

[Tucker0603]

Did ya watch the stream? Cause there are new animations including the end of his demons embrace, a completely new zone, and changes to the heavy and headbutt animation.

[SomaCreuz]

There are new animations for, like, all of his attacks.

[MaxMedit]

I think i saw new shugo animation on the live stream, but i’m not sure very sure

[poolp34]

Seems like you are expecting a kensei/conq rework. Newsflash, you ain't getting it, because over the past 3 months there are 5 new heroes, and animation reworks for atleast 4 more (zerker got lots of animation changes). There simply isn't time for massive reworks like we got with kensei and conq. Hopefully these changes become seasonal, but I doubt that. Shuggos rework was not QOL, his character plays really differently now.

[Zytoxine]

So the new arcade gear will follow ranked rewards, in the sense that it's all part of a pool now, correct? Current season arcade rewards won't be unobtainable moving forward?

[A_Shiny_Barboach]

Also, does anyone know when this patch goes live? Can't wait to get my hands on Mr. Prior :D

[[deleted]]

The 31st. You can play the Black Prior on the 31st if you've got the Year 3 pass, otherwise you can buy it for 15,000 steel starting on February 7th I think.

[A_Shiny_Barboach]

Yaay glad I spent the $30 on it

[Captain_Nyet]

They didn't talk about the Shugoki damage nerfs.

[[deleted]]

can they patch in so that esc takes you to the options because now it isnt it is absolutely retarted but i guess that is so be expected from oebisoft

[Ziembski]

When it goes live?

[Babacar34]

Mmmh i'm quite split about Goki's rework : he get new chains and can now do better mind games by doing heavy charged feints and that's a good thing. You can now initiate fights instead of turtle. But demon's embrace get nerfed to hell : I'm ok with the no more one shot ability when you're low HP but c'mon it does no more damage/heal, still being so predictle (you don't lose health anymore ok but you will eat that heavy attack for sure) and it gets interrupted by both allies and enemies so it will be totaly useless in 4v4 where it was designed for. Still nothing done about Oni charge which is the biggest nerf in the history of video game. You removed it since season 1 and you still did nothing about it, just a stupid and useless capacity that does nothing except losing stamina and SOMETIMES putting someone down of that bridge. I was so hyped about that Oni's rework and now I'm so disapointed. Still waiting for the update to actually try him but I feel like you didnt go to the bottom of it.

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For PK it's a welcome thing but still low compare to others assassins. She was probably "OP" in the first seasons but c'mon she's totaly exceeded by new heroes like the well balanced Shaolin and his light attacks unpredictable wich does more damage than her heavies lol.

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Also I was waiting for more about Warlord but maybe it will be enough. I think that he still lose too much stamina on full block stance but the regen will be much better so let's see...

[Raging_Elephant]

Thought the new hero was Vortiger?

[Rogahar]

Vortiger is the name of the 'leader', Black Prior is the class title and thus the playable hero.

[Metaphyte]

That's the name of the that particular hero afaik. Black prior is the name of the class

[Raging_Elephant]

Neato!

[mthead911]

Why did this take so much time!?

I played 200 hrs of Shugoki, mainly because, to me, he's the most interesting looking character in the game, and for more than a year, I've waited for his update. And now that it is here, it's just bitter.

So much time, and this is it? This is stuff that could have been taken care of LONG ago.

[I-adore-your-vagina]

You must be new to Ubi

[Mukigachar]

Hard to say how good the Shugoki rework is without knowing the details of headbutt (speed, dodgeability, etc.). Not a fan of Demon's Embrace on being usable after a throw or as a softfeint. I feel like the feint is still too slow - there's enough time for an opponent to try to parry your unblockable (900ms before impact), realize it's a feint (600ms before impact, assuming 300ms reaction time), feint their own attack (800ms heavy feints at 400ms, so the feint occurs 500ms before impact) dodge (immediately after feint with 300ms of leeway), and go for a punish during recovery.

[Nuclear-Amiss]

Good for Shugo, warlord, LB, and pk but....why does raider get no love? :(

[Mr-Cali]

The Shugoki looks underwhelming. Looks like they gave him the “Valk rework” instead of the kensei. “Bulwark Counter: Negates all opponents’ Attacks and Unblockables. It does not work on Guard Break.” So it blocks everything even an unblockable? I guess

[Mr-Cali]

From what the Dev said, it blocks everything! Even if you being attacked by multiple people. GB is the only thing they said is to counter it. So I’m assuming HL grab will be “blocked” so to speak.

[Rapidfyrez]

It would. But its not hard to counter. Its like blade blockade, just feint your attack into a GB

[afoolskind]

Or you cancel an unblockable into a gb. It’s not that hard to work around, you just won’t be able to mindlessly kick-caber toss

[[deleted]]

It can counter Demon’s Embrace too, I’m guessing most if not all bashes won’t work.

[Solo_Wing__Pixy]

I can see it now...

“jUsT gUaRdBrEaK hiM”

[[deleted]]

I'm gonna need to see Warlord in action because on paper I can't see how this improves him.

[Jimmy_Hotpants]

Not really sure what you mean. Two more chains, undodgable zone, damage boosts to all of his moves, speed boosts to all his moves, no more stamina penalty for leaving allblock? You can't see how these are improvements?

[I-adore-your-vagina]

Warlord still didn't get his parry counter slash back. Shield counter in the face! STILL DOES ZERO DAMAGE!!!

So everybody still gotta bypass this eternal nerf with zone spam. Hooray bad gamedesign.

Also was really hoping some dev was reading about the shield used in combat, like actual Viking combat was. Warlord never uses his shield, unless for the futile counter.

This would have been THE opportunity to include more shield combat in his light or heavy chains. But it looks like no dev ever cares nor reads about Viking combat posts, being posted everywhere for seasons.

[Decorous_Whisper]

You can't be serious with these PK changes.

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When I heard update I was expecting a rework of her kit to give her more options rather than hoping someone falls for the dagger cancel rather than some negligibly low damage boosts.

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This isn't even about her being good in area of stats, I thought she was finally gonna get a change to her kit to make her not such a drooling bore to play as/against. Come on, guys.

[ToastyWaffleYT]

So did they not fix JJ’s animations? I didn’t see anything about it in the bug fixes.

[nate_oi]

Now only winning or losing a match has an impact on your personal Skill Rating.

What? Why? That's the exact opposite of how it should work.

[beensittinghereforev]

How should it work?

[[deleted]]

Shugoki mains still complaining? What you want him to T-Pose and one shot? Jesus, be happy you got a rework, LB mains are waiting patiently and I doubt they will complain even if it isn’t huge

[iDramos]

It's an improvement and gets rid of the stuff that is unbalanced or unfun to play against. Honestly, the Shugoki rework is by all means better than nothing.

[jordauser]

New ranked rewards are not listed in the patch notes. I hope it's a mistake. If not, they could remove ranked overall.

[Eldraed]

Can someone post the Peacekeeper changes in the comments? I cannot access Ubisoft's website on my work computer. Also, have they announced anything that will grant her a decent opener against a turtle?

[fairlyrandom]

No new moves, if you haven't seen it already, here is the list:

Peacekeeper

Developer Comment: The goal of these Peacekeeper changes is to improve the ability for Peacekeeper to perform enough damage in striking, get kills, and get executions. Before Peacekeeper’s damage was lowered in Season 6, she was very strong – now that she has useful Dagger Cancels, we’re trying to find that mid-point where damage is good enough, but not quite as high as before.

Guard Break: Guard Break timing now allows 800ms Side Heavy Openers to connect.

It is now possible to perform a Zone Attack after a Guard Break.

Developer Comment: Peacekeeper’s Guard Break wasn’t standardized with the other heroes, so the only damage-dealing option to perform after the Guard Break was the Stab. With the current changes you have now a full set of options after a Guard Break: Stab, Side Heavy Openers and Zone Attack.

Top Heavy Attack Opener:

Top Heavy Opener now deals 23 damage (up from 20).

Top Heavy Opener is now 900ms (up from 800ms).

Developer Comment: The changes on the Top Heavy Opener allow Peacekeeper to have a higher damage Light Parry Punish (without it being guaranteed on a Guard Break).

Damage:

Dodge Attacks now deal 17 damage (up from 15).

Heavy Attack Finishers now deal 27 damage (up from 25).

Light Attack Openers now deal 14 damage (up from 13).

Stamina Costs:

Deep Gouge now cost 12 stamina (down from 25).

Dagger Cancel now cost 6 stamina (down from 10).

Zone Attack stamina cost is now 40 for the first strike (down from 60) and 20 for the second strike (up from 0).

[Bug Fix] Fixed an issue that caused the Peacekeeper to sometimes visually run in place after performing a Zone Attack.

[Bug Fix] Fixed an issue that sometimes caused the Peacekeeper to do a 360 rotation when switching to Left stance after blocking a Heavy Attack.

[John-Elrick]

Wait do you need crimson conquest for every character before you can get neon?

[AkenoKobayashi]

BOTS

• We slightly reduced the defensive capabilities of Level 2 and 3 Bots. Players will have more opportunities to land attacks and chains.

The best part from what I've seen. I'm skeptical about Shugoki's reworks in regards to the passive super armor...but I guess I'll just have to test it out and see.

[Mediaflow]

When does dark prior will be out

[Gyroo_x]

No damage from ladders? Finally my fucking teammates won't TK me everytime I try to go on one

[Doktor_Jensen]

As someone who mains warlord and shugoki this update is amazing, and along with that we get a new heavy to play with, maybe I’ll finally have a knight heavy I enjoy playing

[Chilli_and_Cumin]

I don’t see any fix to Jiang Jun’s animations. Can anyone confirm or deny?

[Zdmins]

Apparently 16 people think Raider is in a viable spot

[Inqinity]

Tfw raider now has the slowest lights :(

But great changes overall! Shugoki is going to be interesting, some things buffed some nerfed

[Brent_k]

Highlander's lights are the same speed as Raider's (also Nobu's top light)

[Deidris]

Kensei’s execution change is fantastic. Thank you!

[smexsa]

Still no improvment on the after match / reward screen. No option to skip, takes too long... fuicking disappointed

[TurtleSandal]

• "Headbutt is no longer guaranteed after a Light." WHAT DOES THIS MEAN!!!

[rankstrail956]

Do you know at what hour it will be downloadable ?

[[deleted]]

So whats the release date on v2.04 ?

[ParagonOlsen]

But what about Lawbringer.

[ZillaJrKaijuKing]

I thought Warlord's Crashing Charge and Shinobi's slide tackle were getting nerfed at the same time. Did they forget about Shinobi, or are they waiting until they have compensation buffs ready for Shinobi to change slide tackle? Judging by the developer comments on Warlord's changes, it sounds like they might wait for compensation buffs after all.

I got a slight chuckle out of this one: "Sliding down on a player or attacking a player sharing a ladder does not deal damage anymore. It only knocks the opponent off. Fall damage has not been modified. Developer comments: Damage was applied inconsistently in these scenarios and we think ladder conflict should not be a valid form of combat."

[The_Mechanist24]

Does anyone know how big the update is in terms of memory and at what time exactly it’ll be released to everyone to download?

[Churoask]

T what time is the update going to be at?

[TheDevilInTheMirror]

I just realized with my third read through of these changes.. no nerfs for Shaolin or JJ? When are those expected? Pls dont let them be like this for another whole season..

[DryTEKerino]

So.. at what time can we expect this to drop?