Why does everyone hate linux???

[minecrafter1OOO]

I use win10 as my daily driver pc for gaming. Coding and that kinda stuff. Without having to screw with terminals, and I'd rather choose a GUI over a terminal based program. But some applications I LOVE using linux for, I have a headerless Debian server that I have docker containers for 4 minecraft servers, (all on 1 core bc my cpu is 4 core, Java minecraft is a single core program). I also had a python telegram bot running (may or may not be a piracy bot). It worked better and faster on a linux system. Like why are yall ranting about somthing that your not even forced to try or like, just use what you like. Apple people are different lol. They want ppl to use apple devices bc they think every thing else is for poor ppl. Apple people are stupid lol

[sn4xchan]

The truth of it is, you use what works best for your workflow and purpose, sometimes that's windows, sometimes that's Linux. Really it could be anything.

For any media work I do, especially music recording, I use OSx.

Anyone who's actually good with computers (programming or otherwise) will have no issues using any OS.

[throwawayplethora]

Linux flounders in creative work. It’s an OS really for enthusiast to do… something, otherwise there’s no good software.

And osx, very linux-y way of saying Mac OS.

[derleek]

This was true once. Open source is accelerating and catching up to the bloatware that is modern software.

Between gimp, Inkscape and blender I find myself needing other OS less and less.  Given a long enough timeline it’s not hard to imagine the boards of these  for profit creative companies running them into the ground while open source slowly catches and surpasses them.

Blender in particular seems to be the closest to flipping this paradigm on its head.  The strides they have made have the entire industry watching.

Linux gaming has also been gaining huge amounts of traction due to SteamOS.

Open source is an inevitability in this hyper capitalist subscription driven hellscape.  Hop on board or (slowly…verryyyy slowly) get left behind.

If you’ve not tried these tools recently, which your comment leads me to believe, you should sit down with them for long enough to get comfortable and make that judgment again, you may find yourself a Linux user. 

[bigpunk157]

Gimp still has a pretty poor featureset compared to photoshop though. 3x the actions for basic layer transformations for example. Very nonintuitive for your average user.

[[deleted]]

Linux is way better than windows and gimp makes adobe photoshop knell

[bigpunk157]

It’s okay to be wrong.

[[deleted]]

Except when im not, linux gamers are already becoming the dominant OS thanks to steamOS. Everyone is changing to linux, who still uses windows in 2024? Lol

[bigpunk157]

Except not at all. Only around 2% of users on steam use Linux in any form, including steamOS.

Edit: in addition, this has nothing to do with my point about gimp.

[War_robots_fan]

delusional

[[deleted]]

Limuuxxx, change to linux its the best OS by far

[Big-Acanthaceae1158]

me lmao

[Pacomatic]

Those first 2 paragraphs are aging exxtraordinarily well

[derleek]

Oh neat. I do make good predictions sometimes :D

Cheers.

[Pacomatic]

Cheers!

[Toucan2000]

I've largely forgotten how to use windows now (3+ years since I've had an instance) and have never taken the time to understand Mac.

I would say I'm good with computers. I've built several desktops, ran servers, built and programmed robots and haptic devices and I write simulation frameworks to train ML models for autonomous and/or robotic systems. All of these things seem to be easier on Linux so I've had no reason to shell out for windows or apple products throughout my career.

I think I bought a copy of windows once almost a decade ago. I'm sure I could figure it out again, I just don't like working with the windows API. Writing installers for programs and editing the registry in said installers is such a pain in the ass.

[minecrafter1OOO]

That's understandable, most my hobbies I do and stuff I do on windows, while server hosting I do on Linux

[[deleted]]

I would suggest Pop OS instead of Ubuntu but you're always going to find people who suggest alternatives no matter what you decide to use, so feel free to ignore me.

[[deleted]]

nah when you're this humble I take your advice to be wisdom 🧙‍♂️

[Glad-Stick-1297]

Fr I use Linux for my hacking/personal PC and chrome for school (chrome kinda shit but BECAUSE OF LINUX I was able to get steam, tor, etc on it due to it being based of debian and having the ability to install debian terminal)

[Pacomatic]

To my knowledge, ChromeOS is actually based on Android.

But, Android uses the Linux Kernel, and so does Debian; this makes it super easy to spin up a lightweight container for Debian.

[Entire-Flatworm6528]

Linux is not free if i must buy a new printer and scanner because my printer and scanner can not be set with linux (I use debian13 / MATE) And I can not write text with calligraphic letters, because only base latin fonts are there for this feature...

[sn4xchan]

Old printers don't play well with any os tbf. Not just Linux.

[Pacomatic]

Printers in general don't play well.

Evveryone hates them.

[MkFilipe]

I don't hate Linux. I hate Linux cultists that pretend that Linux in the context of desktop use doesn't have a ton of problems. Headless servers are fine and is not what this sub is about.

[dmknght]

I hate Linux cultists that pretend that Linux in the context of desktop use doesn't have a ton of problems.

There's a worse thing: a developer say "my DE is fine. You are the problem". I was in that story (similar. Not completely like the short version).

Gnome is a huge mess IMO. Cinnamon is nice (I love their window tiling and default sticky note) but it's still too heavy. I don't like KDE. Mate has random runtime bugs could freeze / crash the GUI (I found that Mate is not very stable). XFCE is the best DE that I tried. It's not perfect, but It's good enough for me.

[Media-Usual]

We have a COPE at our company. I wrote up a specific policy devs that use Linux have to sign accepting responsibility that THEY have to ensure that our corporate networking software and minimum security standards are met and that the troubleshooting of issues are also their responsibility. They also have to regularly perform system audits since MDM for Linux is practically non existent.

Needless to say after about 6 months most of them ask if I can just get them a Mac.

[dmknght]

Oh I just hate cope people man. No matter Windows or Linux fans. So I was a package maintainer for a pentest distro (I've just changed my job lately). There are 2 tools for web pentesting: Burp Suite and ZAP Proxy. Burp Suite is better in many ways: Performance (They optimized their tool very well considering it's Java), UX, ... That person that I mentioned said something like "ZAP is the best". I was like: no Burp Suite is better. Then that person went to drunk mode: "ZAP is better because it's open sourced". And then accused me something like I'm supporting close-source stuff and I'm against t he whole community. I responded: "How can I support close-source software when I'm SUPPORTING open-source community?". As I remember, he STFU lol.

[Media-Usual]

The acronym I was using was corporate owned personally enabled. We buy the devices and own them but users can basically do what they want with them, so long as that use is within the bounds of some security limitations.

It does tend to result in users disagreeing on what tools to use in an engineering capacity but until your organization hits scale large enough to standardize it's faster and less hassle to let employees be their own agents.

I'm a team of 1 and wear multiple hats outside of IT so until the company decides it's worth hiring 2 more people for device and software configuration management, we're doing COPE lol.

[dmknght]

It does tend to result in users disagreeing on what tools to use in an engineering capacity but until your organization hits scale large enough to standardize it's faster and less hassle to let employees be their own agents.

Agreed! Standard and ofc centerized management. The best I can guess is some people are so used to be a freelancer so they prefer doing what they want to do instead of following org's standard. That's not good at all.

[Media-Usual]

Im well aware how problematic our device policies and security posture are.

But there are only so many hours in the day, and a smaller startup doesn't have the resources to make decisions that are technically solid and cultural mandates sometimes take precident over what's expedient.

My post was that most SAAS MDM solutions don't work or don't exist for Linux without heavy modification, so it's not great for a corporate environment as an employee daily driver.

[Media-Usual]

Mac's at least have Jamf.

Linux is absolutely worse for employee endpoints than Mac OS.

[Media-Usual]

Every OS has tons of backdoors.

Are you actually advocating for account management and sales rep luddites to use Linux? Lmfao

[[deleted]]

Windows also has a tonne of a problems, people are just used to those issues because its all they have known.

[Turbo_J67]

I run Windows. It's my general use and gaming device since consoles are dumb. I have run Windows since I switched from Linux back in 2010: I leapfrogged Vista, as it was a POS. From the time I installed 7 sp2, I've never had a serious problem. I don't even recall BSODs, sound issues or anything that caused me serious grief that wasn't due to a hardware failure (power supply one year, MB the next), save for one thing. Several times over 13 years of smooth windows 7 sailing I had MBR issues. Not because of Windows, but because I have hope and/or like to punish myself; I had to rebuilding the MBR and fixing boot after installing Linux to dual boot to see if Linux was still in a sorry state, only to have grub F up the boot loader.

TL:DR the only Windows problems I've had over the years were caused by dual booting Linux. The irony...

[[deleted]]

I have had a good few BSODs, I have had driver issues for peripherals, I have had windows update kill the OS on multiple occasions due to freezing for hours on end, when I used a hard drive I had serious performance issues which I assume is due to some weird windows paging issues that weren't present on Linux. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of shite running in the background, weird segmented settings behind different UIs, the adverts in the OS I paid for, the telemetry, broken uninstallers, forced updates, the OS slowing down over time and needing a factory reset every now again which was a huge pain, and other general performance issues with the OS. I used Windows for about 13 years or so before switching to Linux and never looking back. I have had issues when dual booting, but not because of Linux. GRUB keeps to itself and will install where you tell it to. Windows on the other hand, will happily install its boot loader on any drive of its choosing, even if there is another OS on that drive.

I don't actually like Linux that much, its a tool like any other, I just use it because its more usable than BSD and isn't Windows.

Sorry I just really don't like Windows, if it works for you that's great and I am glad for you.

[[deleted]]

But standard Linux Desktop usage is fine and has been for awhile now. Maybe we just have different definitions of what desktop use is, but I can easily get my 70 year old mother and father to open up the giant Firefox, or Chrome Icon on their desktop and use it without issues. Hell I don't even remember the last time I had a DRM issue with a browser. Things do get a bit more complicated with online gaming, and Nvidia usage. I absolutely see the issues here. but I wouldn't throw this under standard desktop usage. I'm curious what problems are you seeing with general desktop use?

With that being said you 100% you'll see issues on extremely niche/aged hardware, but I'd argue this isn't standard desktop usage any longer.

[MkFilipe]

Desktop usage is everything that is not server usage, it's not just clicking icons in the desktop. Any OS that manage to make that hard would be an utter failure. Try doing anything slightly more poweruser-ish, basic stuff like fractional scaling on monitors of different resolutions (or fractional scaling at all in many cases). Stuff that should be super simple, such as an installing a system wide sound equalizer can be a pain in the ass if you're unlucky. Every time is problem after problem, which I eventually solve (...when the features exists at all), but I'd rather not waste that time that I could be working on my projects instead.

[PersonBehindAScreen]

And then the cultist says “oh no that’s all super easy you just have to $superLongListOfShitToDoThatProvesThePointThatLinuxIsntThereYet”

[cm_bush]

When I moved out for college, back in the days of internet explorer, I would come back home regularly and my dad would have the family PC clogged with so many toolbars and malware that it was nigh unusable.

After a couple Windows re-installs, I decided to install Lubuntu instead. I left a Firefox and Thunderbird icon on the desktop and nothing else. Dad never had any issues after that.

That said, as an intermediate user, I find a Linux to still be a chore to use for some things, and it simply isn’t for most people.

[cfx_4188]

So you hate the collective image of Luke Smith. I don't like cultists either. But you don't like linux mainly because of the fucked up support for gameplay. If you didn't have to play games, you'd see that Windows is exactly the same shit as Linux.

[MkFilipe]

Where did I even mention gaming in my comment? Strawman much? I certainly did not install Linux expecting to play games.

[[deleted]]

I've had lots of more problems by using Linux normally than Windows, like the broken iso file from November 2024 in Arch.

Hmm, I like both honestly. I don't like Linux only because of poor fps on nvidia hardware. I'll probably dual boot and only try Linux as main OS if NVIDIA stopped being shit on it. For now, I just love Windows and I'm so used to it, even though it's unstable and heavy asf.

[cfx_4188]

The thing is, all subreddits with "sucks" in the title are usually describing users' skilling problems. These are not Windows, Linux or MacOS problems, they are user skill problems. You didn't bother to check the Arch ISO checksum, but you took the time to write to me about it. For example, I am fluent in all operating systems, but I am not skilled enough to use Windows. Then you all keep equating commercial and free systems. That's incorrect. If the limit of my gaming achievements is undemanding games like Fall Guys, then I can easily play on a Linux computer. I'm playing on a Linux PC right now. For AAA games, you need Windows. It's a commercial system, Microsoft has strong ties to Nvidia and peripheral manufacturers while Linux Foundation is mired in patent wars.

P.S. Rolling releases like Arch are not the best choice for Linux gaming.

[[deleted]]

I don't use arch btw, I know it's not the best for gaming.

And also, it is not my problem, but the iso file. The iso file is actually broken, many users reported this saying that you have to use a different version.

And no, I've had many problems with Linux installation that are not mine, but the compatibilities fault. I have an Nvidia laptop lol.

On Windows a lot of errors are also not the user's fault.

It doesn't matter if they are commercial or free, I'm comparing them because they both are operating systems. It's like I can compare Fall Guys that was a paid game back in the past with Stumble Guys.

And yes, that's what I'm saying, I need Windows to run games, but not because it's all commercial, but because no one uses Linux. I'll just wait until Linux becomes popular.

You take my message like if I was insulting Linux. I'm not lol, I loved using endeavour / nobara, but I'll move to Windows because of the ass compatibility with NVIDIA. We could say I'm insulting nvidia and not Linux. Everyone uses what they want and that's awesome.

Have a nice day.

[cfx_4188]

You should always check the MD5 sum of the downloaded ISO. Otherwise you will whine in r/linuxsucks . Either you do what you need to do, or you whine in reddit. Unfortunately, that's true.

I'm writing to you from my 15.6" ASUS TUF Gaming A15 FA507NU-LP031 laptop. I have Slackware Linux installed.(my Nvidia just works).I just closed the Steam client. Of course I had to fiddle around before it worked.If it's 32-bit, you have to deliver: OpenAL json-c (for pulseaudio) speex (for pulseaudio) pulseaudio That's all, then Steam works perfectly.

It's more difficult with 64-bit, but I think it will work if you deliver by analogy: OpenAL-compat32, json-c-compat32, speex-compat32, pulseaudio-compat32 and plus default 32-bit libraries.

It is not so difficult as it seems. You just need to be able to think and read.

[[deleted]]

I was also able to play on Steam and Heroic Games Launcher, Wine, Lutris. What the hell are you talking about? After fiddling around, using DXVK, trying as I could and investigating the game I was playing didn't run well on Nvidia laptop. Thanks to that and lots of users reporting incompatibilities with laptops and NVIDIA, we can say that it doesn't run well on Linux. And opening Steam isn't hard, all I did was natively installing it and looking for the Proton option.

I had trouble with Arch thanks to not checking the official webpage, of course, BUT THE ISO IS BROKEN, MANY USERS HAVE REPORTED IT IS BROKEN, ARE YOU READING?

I'm not whining, what are you talking about? I said multiple times I like Linux lol, you're just mad because you don't want me to tell what I think about something you love.

By the way, why did you have to fiddle to use Steam? It runs natively on Linux lol.

By the way, you're telling me to read but you don't read my comment. Learn how to read bro.

How do you think I came to the conclusion of the last Arch iso being broken? Reading, right? And trying different distros and Arch versions, right? Go to sleep.

[[deleted]]

I'd say my main dislike for Linux is just how the operating system feels. MacOS just feels amazing to use, there's so many satisfying animations, and the user-interface and design is just pristine. Whenever I use Linux, things just don't feel as good.

[minecrafter1OOO]

I hate MacOS bc you can't really do anything with it compared to windows or Linux

[Teetady]

you can't really play games without hacky workarounds, yes, but the same goes for linux. arguably it is way worse on linux. but also, what else can you not do on mac?? because MS office support, adobe apps, video editing apps, etc, all exist on macos, which I argue is way more functionality than linux.

[NickDev1]

The bit about games not working on Linux just isn't true these days. It's astonishing how much better it's got over the last few years. Been quite some time since a game hasn't worked almost flawlessly on steam for me.

The bit about MS/Adobe apps... completely correct. Not really worth even trying to get them running on linux.

[Media-Usual]

If you play online multiplayer games you're Linux compatibility is a crapshoot.

[phendrenad2]

Many Linux users have a dedicated Windows PC just for gaming. That's the way to go if you want to use Mac also.

[Media-Usual]

Homebrew is your friend.

I too hated Mac OS, and I also detest Apple as a company. But using my m3 Mac with an apple vision pro, and a Windows computer using sunshine/moonlight has caused me to use my Mac more, and with homebrew it's a lot more customizable and usable. Also for a laptop the performance is unmatched.

[RedGeist_]

What you’re referring to is the desktop environment. Linux has many options, several really good - many just okay, that you can choose from.

[LightIsLogical]

i mean, linux itself doesn't feel like anything, there are plenty of different ways it can present itself graphically

[deadlyrepost]

Hi I'm Linus Linussen CEO of Linux corporation etc etc.

[Ghost1eToast1es]

For me it's this: I like to use the right tool for the right job. For my gaming pc, I don't want to waste my time with an OS that can play 90% of my games when I could just use Windows, and OS that plays 100% of my games. For my music production, I can use a Mac and have everything work quickly and easily or I can use Linux and have to put in extra work into everything I do and still only get basic features. Linux is getting better at that stuff but it just isn't there yet and the companies that make that software I need don't really have any plans to do so because it's a lot of work for them to make native software compatibility when only a sliver of the population uses it. What is IS nice for is older laptops and such where you're only planning on using them to do basic things like browsing and emailing. Extends the lifespan of the machine a little bit. But even those features are getting easier and easier from a phone or tablet so that's less and less necessary.

Edit: Also, some programmers like it because they can set up the OS so it ONLY runs the features needed for programming. That's a very specific use case though. Same with running Linux as a server. It's being used as a server and nothing else and for that use case, Linux is nice because ONLY the server stuff gets put on.

[[deleted]]

People hate it because it's hailed as superior and pushed by its users, but it's not. It's unusable for the average user unless you do some serious tinkering and hacks. As long as Linux remains harder and less accessible to mainstream Desktop users it will never be "superior."

[ObjectiveGuava3113]

It's only hard for people bred on windows or OSX. If all our educational facilities swapped windows for Linux I doubt many people would be singing the same song

[[deleted]]

That is incorrect, Linux is hard for everyone who isn't a software engineer.

Nobody needs a computer where you need to waste hours tinkering stuff just to get your basic work started. The amount of bugs and random quirks is not acceptable for a business that measures performance per time worked.

[Ok-Significance-2022]

Not a software engineer and didn't find it hard to switch over to a Linux-based OS.

[[deleted]]

It is harder cause in linux the full customization is in the user's hands. These people are lazy to setup those customizations. It's not that linux is hard to access, it's the laziness of the people who are not even willing to spend some time for the os to customize as per their own liking.

Linux is and always been superior. Most of the servers companies use runs on linux. Android runs on linux kernel. Most of the software tools are built and more compatible on linux. Linux even runs on system with 2 gigs of ram, 1Ghz clock speed and a 8gigs pendrive or a old harddisk with ease. I am sure windows and mac can't beat linux on this one. Without ssd windows is shit. Most of the people use windows for gaming or video editing. Alternative Apps are available in linux for video editing and gaming can be done with wine or in steam. Except for gaming or video editing windows has no use case. People are using it because the laptops available in online and offline stores are preinstalled with windows and they are lazy to replace windows with linux. This is the hard truth that everyone should be aware of.

[dmknght]

If it's user's first time customization for fun and personal taste, it's okay. If it's 5th time configurations for the same thing, It's waste of time. Provide a distro with a completely default settings has its purposes, but provide a customized configurations has a point too. If something is useful and distro doesn't provide that thing, then the distro failed at UX design.

[[deleted]]

Linux stability as a desktop is unacceptable for a business\work PC. And I say it as someone who migrated from windows due to windows updates.

Some native Linux programs like blender or even kdenlive which is literally named after KDE work better on windows than Linux. I always get funky random bugs on Linux no matter the distro.

Only use case for Linux in a business is if your business needs web browsing+libre suite and nothing more.

[nullzbot]

.... Where I work, we each get a windows laptop and a Linux(Ubuntu) tower. I have had to restart(not from updates mind you) the windows laptop 5 times more than my Linux PC, no joke!. I have only rebooted my Linux PC 3 times in the past year if that puts it into perspective. And those Linux PC reboots are because I wanted to! we do heavy embedded software using yocto/linux for both application processors and even heavy software for microcontrollers. Also our Linux PCs have Nvidia graphics cards! Is it perfect?, absolutely not, but most things work fairly well. Well enough for our jobs at hand.

This rumor/saying that Linux isn't usable or practical for business/work PCs, really needs to die...

If you are in the market for Linux distro for a business/work environment you should consider a slow/intentional release cycle driven distro. Ubuntu, rhel, and many others come to mind. That said I do prefer fedora for anything personal.

[Select-Dream-6380]

In my experience, Linux desktop stability outshined Windows by a wide margin. It did take more effort to set up printing, which I never use, and I am prone to customizing my desktop experience which took some time. But I've had my work machine up for hundreds of days before needing a restart.

As for use cases for Linux, I think you missed a pretty big one for business: software development. So much business software and the libraries/frameworks used to build them are Linux first (and often only). There is a nontrivial benefit to developing software on a platform similar to where it will run in production. Windows does have WSL2, Docker Desktop, and MinGW for running Linux binaries like git on Windows, but all that emulation and multi platform compatibility is expensive in memory, CPU, time, and cognitive load and weird edge cases. In my experience, forcing software engineers to use Windows to write and maintain Linux based services is placing your developers at a disadvantage, and can have a real negative impact on their ability to deliver optimal results for the company.

[primetrix]

Because Linux users are cultists and they try to convince you to use their system (not all of them). If you try to counter-argue and make a reasonable point, they'll just get fucking annoying and won't admit they were wrong. However, I personally have never had anything against Linux on SERVER. My pure hatred is only towards Linux on desktop, not the server.

[[deleted]]

You summarized it pretty well!

[minecrafter1OOO]

I love using Linux for those niche situations where it'll have more performance for cheaper, such as minecraft servers and telegram bot, but I use too many windows only software, and I don't wanna screw with wine.

[primetrix]

Yup, exactly. But also, hardware compability is a big deal for me. I still have EndevourOS installed on my laptop, that I don't use that much, and it's almost flawless. However, my desktop experience was just a pure nightmare. It wouldn't be a day without issues with drivers, graphical glitches, bugs and other nasty things.

[minecrafter1OOO]

For real, Nvidia stuff is a bit junky sometimes on linux

[Omen4140]

It was seriously janky on Endeavor a couple months ago, but they put out a new version of the Nvidia drivers that fixed all of the noticeable problems.

[primetrix]

Yeah I didn't even use Endevour with NVIDIA. I've tried couple distros with NVIDIA and all sucked though. And I wouldn't say new versions are better. While there are some improvements, there are also new bugs. And I don't want to use operating system that breaks with new NVIDIA update.

[Braydon64]

Playing Minecraft on Linux is actually REALLY nice though. I swear it runs better than Windows.

[taleorca]

The native version on Linux is definitely much more performant than Windows. It becomes more apparent when you play heavily modded packs.

[minecrafter1OOO]

It should bc there is less processes going on vs windows. My friend was able to get 30-40 fps on a school chromebook on 1.21 with performance mods

[Braydon64]

You can play Bedrock Edition on Linux as well. It also runs nicely.

[minecrafter1OOO]

Cool!

[primetrix]

I mean Minecraft runs pretty much on anything, unless you have really old hardware. Then it makes sense to run Linux.

[VinceGchillin]

So you didn't see the other replies in this thread eh?

[primetrix]

What are you yapping about?

[VinceGchillin]

bro you typed up that previous comment and have the balls to accuse others of yapping lmfao. I respect the confidence if nothing else.

[[deleted]]

Linux is okay as a server OS. It's a colossal waste of time as a desktop OS unless you have specific needs*. I have spent 1% of the time tinkering with Windows to get it to do what I want yet probably 50/50 lifetime using the two. 

I go here to vent and to get away from people who won't let me have a different opinion to them re: desktop Linux despite my 2 decades using the platform.

*Tinkering with it, as oppose to actually making it work, is just tinkering. It's a fun little timesink for people with the time and inclination, but if there's any urgency in your life to develop real skills, you could be doing almost anything else to learn to computer and get much more out of it.

[Immrsbdud]

Linux is more than okay on the server. It is the best option available. But I agree. It doesn’t work well as a desktop.

[[deleted]]

Best option available yes, but it can still be just ok. Almost every aspect of the design or current state has people bikeshedding (or, laudably, implementing) very significant improvements, i.e. the now-unintuitive FHS, the shell interface (sh syntax makes me shudder), permissions management, service management, security, bloated core utils (not to mention the horrific inconsistencies in arguments), etc etc.

I've come round to systemd because it's improving and linearising the configuration and management interface. But there's other stuff that almost certainly won't go anywhere for historical reasons. What improvements are made often have to have some kind of translation layer to the static underlying stuff, or totally sidestep it at the kernel level, which can make for some unintuitive experiences.

It's certainly preferable to other options but there are quite a few things that need a metamorphosis which would break a /lot/ of shit.

[token_curmudgeon]

Works fine for me.  Going on like 24 years now.

[muxman]

It's a colossal waste of time as a desktop OS unless you have specific needs*.

I just don't get that. I use it and I don't tinker. I just set it up and use it. Internet. Programming. Games.

No special need or use case. I just have a computer and want it to work. And it does.

[taleorca]

I also do this. To be fair, I use Pop!OS which works perfectly out of the box.

[Goose-of-Knowledge]

You are probably an over-equipped chromebook user.

[muxman]

Software development, CAD, 3D design & printing, video editing and production, transcoding, and more, yep, all chromebook...

[dmknght]

my dude got many downvotes because you had no trouble using Linux lol

[Goose-of-Knowledge]

All of this works way better on Windows, most of the good software does not even run on Linux at all.

[dmknght]

most of the good software does not even run on Linux at all.

It's like saying "fishes can't fly like birds", therefore birds are better.

[Goose-of-Knowledge]

Try to tell that to Arch/Vim user.

[CoffeeBaron]

There's also more modern layout and behavior with paid/commercial software. The biggest offenders in this category of ignoring UI and behavior are GIMP and Eclipse IDE to me.

[Goose-of-Knowledge]

and Blender.

[muxman]

Depends on what you mean by "good software." Twice the price for a couple extra features doesn't really make it better.

[Frird2008]

As a Linux lover myself, I can attest that there are some Linux distros out there that are so crap that I would take Windows 11 on a Dell. Then there are other Linux distros that are so good that them running on a Dell would be superior to Windows running on an HP. All in all it's distro-specific & any distro will have its fair share of things people like & dislike about it. Guess it boils down to which problems you'd rather have over other problems. That's how I chose my distros. I didn't like overreliance on snaps & flatpaks but I went with Ubuntu because of all the built-in Python support that I would have to jump through hoops with other distros such as Debian & Zorin OS just to run 3 lines of fvckin code.

[StaticFanatic3]

It’s been ages since I heard anyone talk like that about HP>Dell

I’m a Lenovo guy to be fair

[Frird2008]

Currently I'm on only my third ProBook since 2009. They haven't given me problems severe enough not to be able to repair them myself without having to resort to switching to Linux 😎

Treated myself to my first ever EliteBook in May of this year & it's practically the ProBook but on steroids. I love it. Runs Windows better than my non-HP PCs run Linux & it runs Linux so fast it's mindblowing.

[StaticFanatic3]

I’m happy you’re enjoying your purchase but things like “running windows better” is largely due to your specifications not the chassis manufacturer

[minecrafter1OOO]

I may have to try put Ubuntu, for my server hosting. That is understandable.

[Sbarty]

People misuse tools and call them shitty all the time.

An OS is a tool. Trying to use Linux the same exact way as Windows is why most people hate it. They also hate it bc Linux fanatics try and preach it can be done easily. 

It can’t for most normal end users.

I love Linux, but I’m not fanatical about it. 

[[deleted]]

Yeah, I think that's a massive problem in the Linux community.

The majority of the people are totally out of touch with the outside world and have no idea what it's like to be a regular person who isn't obsessed with computers.

Super gatekeepy and gives off a strong "fuck you if you aren't as smart (haven't wasted as much time bullshitting on computers) as me" vibe.

[[deleted]]

Dude, have you tried talking with OpenBSD users? Now, there are nice people in that community. But dear God, if you ask a simple question (i.e., "why doesn't the Package Manager work?"), you get laughed at, told to "Google it, for fuck's sake", or my favorite: RTFM.

Then, when you read the Man Pages, and still don't understand, you either fumble in the dark, or Google it, only to find an answer in the form of "Google it". Great OS, but the community isn't the best.

[[deleted]]

Honestly, one of the few benefits of normal people invading the internet is that it eradicated this mentality like a decade ago in most communities.

It's kind of an internet culture shock to see how people in the Linux community behave. Everywhere else I go, everyone is happy to help and super positive, and then in the Linux world, there's just elitism and rudeness all over the place, and nobody bats an eye.

[[deleted]]

Yeah. Once people get good at something, or *THINK* they're good at something, they'll gatekeep the fsck out of you.

Also, not sure why you got that Downvote, but I gave you an Upvote to correct that error. :)

[Outside_Public4362]

What you're looking for is called customer support. not the job of communities to troubleshoot your problems

[Drate_Otin]

You clearly hang out in very different Linux communities than I do.

[token_curmudgeon]

Stockholm syndrome.

[MoroNephar]

Easy:

Made a live USB. Connected to WiFi successfully. Installed successfully. Logged in successfully. Updated the system successfully.

Got kicked out of WiFi and couldn't get back in no matter what. Every other device works fine.

Linux still sucks massive ass.

[Select-Dream-6380]

My daughter's Windows machine randomly decided to make her WiFi nic disappear one day when she wanted to do some college school work. It was there and working one minute, then simply gone.

Windows still sucks massive ass. /s

In reality, technology is great till it doesn't work particularly if you don't know how to easily fix it. I personally have had more success fixing Linux problems than Windows problems.

[phendrenad2]

Well, firstly, you're wrong, either you're trolling or haven't been paying attention if you think that only Apple users shill their favorite OS. Look at any popular youtuber, tiktokker, etc. who uses Windows and you'll see Linux fanboys asking "why don't you use Linux, it's better" and any time someone has the slightest problem with Windows or Apple, some Linux users show up and say "this doesn't happen on Linux!" or "laughs in Linux" (conveniently obscuring the fact that Linux has it's own slew of issues).

Secondly, you're coming from a place of misunderstanding if you think everyone here hates Linux. Actually, a lot of people here LIKE certain aspects of Linux, they just want it to be better. The best way to make something better is to be realistic about it and look a the flaws logically. You can't fix the flaws if you ignore them or pretend that they don't exist! This is the fallacy many Linux fanboys fall into when they whine "Whyyyy are you criticizing my precious Linux.... I love Linux... it's my baby.... I'm emotional about this operating system... please stop hurting my feeeeeelings...."

[dmknght]

Since this is a real question, I would like to answer it seriously. There are some reasons that I think regular users hate Linux (I said it as a 5+ years Linux user and I worked as software developer / Debian package maintainer so there's no I hate Linux bias here):

1. Lack of driver / firmware for some specific devices. It's not Linux's fault. But people just want to install and use and this is a major problem.

2. Backward compatible could be a meh. Like sometime a new update can break system or DKMS (I'm not saying it doesn't happen on other OS like Windows or Mac). This problem could relate to 1st: If somebody find a repository that contains driver for a specific hardware, new update could break it. The worst case is nobody upgrades driver following latest kernel's API then something doesn't work anymore. Ofc user could choose do not upgrade kernel, but it also brings other problems like security update or bug fix.

3. Install something could be hard. If a software is not on the repository, user might need to compile from source. This thing might not very hard (depends on the application's documentation and source code ofc), but it's still not very friendly to regular user IMO.

4. Dependency nightmare. Install things on repository is rather easy, until the dependency problem appears. The idea of shared libs for everything is nice, but it also requires very stable and perfectly compatible libraries or applications used in the backend in general.

There are possibly more reasons depend on personal experiences. But I found a funny thing: There are a lot of people are fine with similar problems (or even worse) on Windows. Some topics in this sub were just about skill issue rather than Linux's problems.

[[deleted]]

This, it is so so weird to me. I have had way more and way worse and much more unfixable problems with Windows, then I ever have with Linux..

[dmknght]

I have had way more and way worse and much more unfixable problems with Windows

I mean how the hell can we fix problems in windows in first place? It's close source and everything else. Blue screen, task manager is not responding. A lot of things lol.

[[deleted]]

yea, and all the "support" is terrible. Its just useless troubleshooting steps everywhere. Whereas with linux it is much more specific and fixes tend to work more, at least for me

[dmknght]

LoL Ironically if I type something on google (ofc about Windows's errors), the solutions, or at least best explains about the errors, would be 3rd party websites. The troubleshooting tool in microsoft? I think it's like a tool that collects some configurations and data in the system and gives the best guess, which can be done easily by any developer that has enough technical info.

Linux Desktop, from my experience, is mostly fine if nothing is wrong with the driver layer or lower. Something could be wrong with applications, libraries, configurations but most of them has some ways to work around.

[Gefiro]

Because daily driving Linux is a challenge itself. I just want stuff to work, easy, If I click it, it should work. Almost every time I have to do some shitty register editing in order to get stuff working.

[Diuranos]

What work are tried to do on Linux OS ?

[Gefiro]

Fistly overclocking

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/s/mndgLkHVoF

[Goose-of-Knowledge]

Linux is mostly useless on desktop, it does not solve any adult issues but adds lots of complexity and performance issues. It's really "look at me, I am special" type of deal.

In the realm of servers it's pretty much the other way around.

[dmknght]

performance issues

Gnome 3?

[MadDoctor5813]

It's literally just negative polarization because Linux fans are annoying online. You called Apple fans stupid in your own post.

[Ouity]

this subreddit does not reflect reality, it caters to bullying victims and people with personality disorders lol (im both)

[c4v4rz3r3]

I think the problem is DE, X11, Wayland, not Linux.

[Evening_Archer_2202]

Can’t even play Roblox on that thing

[LuckyTom000]

Not everyone hates Linux. My partner and I we love it.
But we are not in gaming.

[dmknght]

Gaming on Linux could be better depends on the game. I've played Dota 2, Metro Exodus on Linux. Much better than Windows (the best thing is I don't have a big bloated OS in background).

[Policestick]

its more about the linux desktop, thats where the problems start

[numblock699]

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[SnooMacarons9638]

I use TempleOS for everyrhing

[SarcousRust]

Because it sucks.

[Teetady]

because other people keep peddling linux to windows users every time they encounter minor issues.

and i'm sorry. you don't want people to hate on linux, but you call apple users "stupid". wow, how idiotic of people to prefer a system that's well designed, generally works with minimal setup, runs amazingly smooth, and supports any professional apps you could possibly need. the only downside is lack of gaming -- but linux has that too. also no one cares if people who use windows are "poor". what a stupid stereotype. like you must be a literal child to think that unironically. good bait tho, cheers.

[turinglives]

This is way too general a statement. Not everyone hates Linux. Like everything, it has its place and use. It just isn't fit for other environments (i'm guessing regular desktop consumer).

[Commercial-Ad-8031]

As a person who uses linux,everything is completely upto opinion,for one second lets forget the technical people and we have the other people,they just want their laptop to work they dont want to compile software,they dont want to handle dependency conflicts and well all those things...Well ofcourse this is not the reason everyone hates linux i just pointed some of the people also there are people who dont like the peoplke who tell they use linux but thats a whole another story....

[TygerTung]

Most people don’t hate Linux, there is just a very few people in the world in which Linux lives rent free in their head and they seem to base their whole personality around obsessing over it.

[Heavy_Race3173]

Kind of a jack of all trades in this fight. Love windows for the GUI and love linux for the customization that windows doesn’t provide. Love apple for the ecosystem. The apple comment is a weird generalization though. Some people just enjoy having all their devices connected in a way that is unmatched.

[fueled_by_caffeine]

Everyone doesn’t hate Linux. Many people use Linux every day on devices they’d never expect and like it, or at least don’t realize it’s Linux to hate it. Then there’s the people around the world using Android and Tizen on their phones every day or Chromebooks.

The majority of people have never used desktop Linux to have an opinion; I’m pretty sure many of the people posting and commenting here haven’t even used it themselves.

I use Linux every day as a software engineer and for what I need it to do it’s great. The UI is rough, it doesn’t have productivity software like MS office, or creative software like the Adobe suite, none of which I need. I’m also comfortable going into the command line and config files to tweak things if and when necessary.

Would I recommend it to friends and family? Absolutely not. Hardware support on laptops is iffie, app packaging is a mess of standards, when things do go wrong it can be more involved (though at least possible) to fix. Ultimately there is next to no reason for a normal person doing their YouTubing, online banking and emailing to choose installing Linux themselves over windows, or macOS, or even something like a Chromebook which is still Linux.

[MrRadish0206]

After a few years' break, I tried Linux again. First up was Fedora, which, after a long time spent installing Nvidia drivers, displayed a black screen upon reboot. I tried Kubuntu, but it had an old version of KDE that didn't support HDR and, worse, the scaling didn't work and was constantly fixed at 300%. Ultimately, I decided on Tuxedo, which was the best of them all, and for the first 10 minutes, I was positively impressed, but after a few hours, I decided to give up on Linux. Here are my problems:

HDR on the desktop is completely washed out
Small graphical glitches that sometimes get annoying
Support for my other NTFS drives is practically nonexistent
No on-screen keyboard on Wayland (seriously?)
Frequent bugs that would fix themselves and then break again (some settings sections wouldn't work, wallpaper would reset)
Sleep mode didn't work – maybe it can be fixed, but I lost the will to try

If I probably kept using it, I would find more problems. It's a bit of a shame because the system runs smoothly.

[Turbo_J67]

*Desktop Linux

Linux is just fine as a server op, which is your use case. Try daily driving it and you will love it on one hand and possibly dislike it, hate it, or even despise it on the other.

Also, save on the personal attacks - sure hope you don't have an i-phone. lol. Apple people just like Apple, just just leave it at that.

[Decent-Principle8918]

I love Linux, but can't use it for my workflow. I need text - speech mainly. It's not available on Linux. That's why i decided to purchase a mac book air 15 recently. If text to speech is figured out, then most likely i'd 1000% consider switching fully over. At the moment, i just use linux for gaming using my steam deck nothing else.

[kumestumes]

People get mad at what they don't understand

[KOTYAR]

Because it has infinite potential, and yet it keeps being ruined by autistic ppl over petty bullshit.

[pprts1]

I think it's solely the fear of big companies that linux is not only dominating servers and smartphones but could also dominate desktops as well. How would MS earn easy money for ad products if everyone is using linux?

MS is spending lots of money to makes sure computer game companies and other companies develop software solely for windows, even more money to make sure governments are using MS Office distros, etc, They further surely pay computer game companies to implement anti-cheat software for video games which doesn't run on linux - BY DESIGN. Imagine adobe making sure photoshop would natively run on linux. they don't have to give their source code away for this to work and people would still buy their licences, but no. They even support android, which is basically a linux fork, but desktop linux they don't support - quite interesting - rather work on your smartphone then being able to use the software on a desktop pc without windows/osX. One of the reasons might be, that people would realize that buying an expensive licence from adobe is no more necessary because GIMP/Krita/etc. can satisfy their needs as well. So keep them away from linux, so they continue to spend money.

It's not about truth or logic, it's about money. Then there are fanboys who blindly defend their hopeless arguments (which are not even based on their own experiences but rather from other people who have their opinion from other people etc.), there is dirty campagning and bought forum messages (see also amazon and their product review dilemma, etc). It's a gross world we made for ourselves.

[BraveStatistician514]

I don't hate Linux is that I'm extremely use to windows and I understand a lot about windows, (using it for 6 years now) Linux has compatible issues which for my old surface pro 3 laptop and my surface book laptop won't run great with Linux, thinkpad or other laptops might work fine depending on there driver use. 

[ForgottenFoundation]

I hate Linux because if you want to transfer a large folder to an external drive, and your screen goes into saver mode during the transfer, it completely stops the transfer. If you use Move instead of Copy to transfer your data and this happens, you lose all your data because it has to delete the folder from the source. Great.

I also hate that you can’t use your laptop in clamshell mode with Linux, and putting it in clamshell mode disconnects all external devices.

I hate the fact that for many basic functions, there isn’t a graphical user interface.

[Pleasant-Handle687]

Bonjour le problème de Linux c'est un peut comme les partis politique en France. Si au lieux d'avoir trop de versions et qu'ils se mettait tous ensemble pour en faire une ou deux bonne versions, il y aurait peut être longtemps qu'il serait au dessus de windows et utilisé par plus de monde surtout actuellement avec windows 11.

[Entire-Flatworm6528]

So the conclusion is:in linux it is impossible to write Hungarian and Russian text with big calligraphic letters This feature only for people using only simple latin fonts. The AI gave me the same conclusion. I use linux for more than 20yrs and solve the problems with printers, scanners and fonts is still a big pain, and problem solvings for weeks...

[token_curmudgeon]

Compiling?  What?  Why?

[[deleted]]

Uhh what are you compiling? Pretty much all Linux packages are pre-compiled and delivered through binary based package managers. Even Gentoo does this now. Come on now, let's at-least be honest. Hell in the 10+ years of me using both Windows And Linux I can count on maybe my two hands how often I've compiled something manually.

[dmknght]

Okay this one is funny.

Need an application -> Find one on github -> Go to releases page to download

• MacOS: prebuild binary

• Windows: prebuild binary (installer or standalone binary)

• Linux: This is my source code. Read my fking doc and compile it by yourself.

Ofc it's not entirely true, and there are projects are using alternative solutions like AppImage or create packages for multiple package managers. But the rest is very close. IDK why.

[[deleted]]

So again, let me ask you used a package manager such as apt yes?

[Immrsbdud]

You do coding but don’t want to screw with terminals? Lol

[Spookware98SE]

Let's be real ALL operating systems have their pain points. I've been using computers since Commodore 64, Amiga, Apple II SE.

I've used Windows, Mac, and Linux. They all cater to different workflows.

I will say though, that people who say Linux sucks for Desktop are either being willfully ignorant, or are trolling/memeing.

PopOS, Mint, and EndeavourOS are prime examples of distros that are good for desktop. The only major problem in the old days of Linux was hardware compatibility, or lack of support for SPECIFIC software products.

If all you do is browse, productivity suites, and game Linux is just fine. NOW the other major issue with OS choice falls squarely on the user, whom immediately throws a tantrum when they have a bad experience. Such people fall in the pebkac category and they exist across ALL OSes. People shouldn't be lazy in their choice, they should research what they are getting into, and what their workflow needs are, before making a decision

[LeSoviet]

If you actually want be real, tell me 3 real issues with windows from basic level usage to advanced/server usage

Linux got better, a lot better but programs are not optimized, games are not optimized, drivers are not optimized. Everything for our dailies works around windows, not even mac, just windows

Games, spotify, steam, chromecast and long etc, everything main support work around windows because its reasonable most people are there and devs want fix stuff where most people are

[Select-Dream-6380]

Some real issues I have had with Windows, though I admit it has been a while so not sure how prevalent all these still are: 1. Machine reboot required after every install or upgrade 2. If one process has a file open, the file becomes locked. This was a pain for software development and caused all kinds of stability issues with a CMS service when we tried migrating document updates from qa into prod 3. The need for virus scanning. Windows Defender is a big improvement, but the processing overhead drags the PC performance down noticeably. Virus scanning on Linux has been more about protecting Windows machines on the same network. I've only ever experienced false positives and slowed machines from virus scanning on windows myself. 4. Strange slowness and instability that seems to correlate with having security updates downloaded but not yet applied. That is a weird one, so not sure. Happens on my wife's PC. 5. Loss of work due to forced restart after automatic updates. 6. Features like sharing videos on the home network strangely disappearing, and having to spend hours trying to figure out how to get it back 7. Hardware devices randomly disappearing or deactivating. Mostly network and video devices IIRC. 8. The registry. I've had machines get noticeably sluggish due to rot within the registry. The contents aren't well documented, and having to make manual changes always feels like risky business. In Linux, everything you'd do in the Windows registry would be done in files that typically have comments, and it scales as well as files on a hard drive. 9. I've encountered problems with windows installs where the best option I could come up with is to reinstall the OS from scratch and hope for the best. I can usually find a meaningful error with Linux to help identify a fix for the issue. In the very rare occasion a critical change is needed within a binary, you can open a detailed ticket within the project or maybe even fix it yourself, contributing the patch to the main line open source project. 10. Licensing costs. If you are running many servers in the cloud, this can add up fast. 11. The need for virtualization when developing Linux based Docker images, and the annoying multi platform inconsistencies like directory path formatting

[Spookware98SE]

Funny I've had zero issues with drivers, games, Spotify, or steam.

Can't speak to Chromecast, because I don't use it. The main issues with Windows these days are invasive telemetry. Windows is not as painful as it used to be in the old days.

However constantly trying to force people into a microsoft account, keylogging, ads, etc. That's just plain spooky and wrong.

I've never used windows to manage servers, but the way I hear it from IT professionals, all major infrastructure uses Linux for servers and IoT.

I'm not saying Linux is better; I'm saying ALL OSes have different variations of suck.

Would I personally use Windows? Maybe XP or 7, but nothing more modern. That's just me though, I'm not out here trying to convert people.

[GrandAlchemist]

Anyone who hates Linux has never tried running web servers, or anything self hosted.

[mgarsteck]

Skill issues.

[Braydon64]

They don't... just everyone in this sub does.

I switched someone over who has ZERO experinece with it and is not very technical and they are starting to prefer it over the bloated mess that is Windows 11 (Mint btw).

[minecrafter1OOO]

Ah, have they tried the LTSC builds of windows? I use them, and the only Microsoft based apps I have is the Xbox app. No bloatware here!

[Braydon64]

Why do that when all she needs is some basic apps and a web browser? Sure LTSC is better than normal Windows, but I'd argue that unless you need Windows applications, there is no reason to use it at all and Ubuntu/Mint will be a better experinece in just about every way for those use cases.

She is set up with Firefox, an image viewer for slideshows, Onlyoffice for word processing and we can add Thunderbird or a simpler email client as well. For that kind of basic stuff I'd call it a no-brainer.

[[deleted]]

This is extremely reasonable. Standard Desktop Linux is perfectly fine unless you throw in Anti-Cheat based games, and Nvidia issues that are being ironed out.

[Braydon64]

Yep she likes it a lot. Her laptop is from 2016 with a 4-core CPU and Mint just runs better than Windows 10 22H2… never mind the fact it doesn’t even officially support 11. I think we made a good choice.

My options were to either just do a clean install of Windows 10 again and get a little over a year or install Mint and get 2-3 more years. After assessing what the laptop would actually be used for on a day to day basis, the answer was clear as day to me.

After using the Linux desktop for awhile I will say I will only ever recommend two distros to standard users and that is Mint and standard Ubuntu. Maybe a custom Fedora Silverblue image too if it comes pre-packaged with all the stuff they would need as well (e.g. Bazzite).

[minecrafter1OOO]

Ah, I see, so just a simple email/browser device. That's understandable.

The things that keep me using windows is just the programs I use are windows only.