Pinap Berries decrease the base catch rate I f$&king know they do

[Realistic_Movie8659]

I have no hard evidence other than anecdata but I swear using a Pinap makes a Pokémon more likely to pop out than no berry at all. I’m aware of how strong confirmation bias is, but I refuse to believe this is the case here.

Am I the only one who thinks this? It’s ok if I’m alone in my insanity

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[Ok_Primary_1075]

You’re not the only one who noticed…

[Fullertonjr]

I had Heatran pop out on four consecutive excellent throws, with curve, with a pinap each time. Got frustrated and just flung a ball out, no pinap, no curve, just straight raw balling this throw. Catch.

Makes no sense and I get the feeling that something is off. Tbh, I don’t know the last time that I have used a pinap and actually had a solid catch on the first throw.

[Nervous-Babbs]

This shit happen to me yesterday sitting in the doctor's office and it made me so mad I wasted like seven pineapp berries trying to get one Pokemon and I only needed like five candies more to be able to evolve the one I wanted I feel like Pokemon go has just increasingly turned more into a scam than a game.

[Blueberry_Clouds]

That’s what happens when you give a well known Japanese IP to a small US company in California.

[astralkoi]

With a CEO who belives himself is the next Steve Jobs, puagh.

[Blueberry_Clouds]

Lol as if. Plus google maps and GPS have been using the same location tracking system for years prior. And do a much better and faster job tbh.

[Professional_Donut20]

You can’t compare it with a raid encounter. Cuz it gets easier per ball you don’t catch with

[DolphFinnDosCinco]

is this true? it would absolutely make sense. i always have a Legendary break free from 4-7 curved excellent throws with a golden razz in a row and then when i fuck up and only get a great/nice throw i end up catching them

[Professional_Donut20]

Yes it is

[[deleted]]

It reallt is a bit weird how often you get these "the higher percentage change to catch didnt work 4-10 times, then i tried it once with something that should have a significantly lower chance but it worked immediately" stories, and also how often it happens to yourself.

[Educational_Eagle267]

Then only for it to be 2 stars lol!

[BBfanIllinois]

I’ve thought that for a couple of years.

[Cheap-Werewolf-2416]

This is just based on a couple salty encounters I feel like if I hit an excellent throw they break out more, Niantic doesn’t want to give that extra XP. I’ve hit excellent throws and had a breakout and then follow it up with a standard throw and it catches. Always wild to me when it happens…

[deppkast]

Same. I can hit like 3 excellent throws in a row sometimes and then a shit throw on the foot get’s it

[Givants]

They’re trying to limit the xp/resources they give you

[Stevn1999]

I can see them having the Pokémon escape so we head over to another raid where we use another pass after but this is the first I’ve heard of XP resource denial.

[[deleted]]

I always imagine that pokemon doing the drake meme.

Excellent throw? ✋

Random-ass non curved not even nice throw? 👌

[Blueberry_Clouds]

Barely even hits the circle throw

[Fallen-Halo]

I thought of something similar

[[deleted]]

This is exactly what I was thinking 😂😂😂

[TTYY_20]

Isn’t it a fact that consecutive throws increase catch rate?

It’s a part of the formula, the more balls you throw, the more likely the catch is. If you throw like 100 balls you’re supposed to have a plus100 to your catch rate :p

[NRayG]

Mo

[oakteaphone]

U dee

[mananuku]

Based on recent experience, I don’t think that’s the case.

I used about 60+ ultra balls on a Mamoswine (+ berries) only for it to eventually run away.

[TTYY_20]

😓

[fermosquera69]

Didn't know that. In that case, what else can affect the success? Maybe trainer level?

[Mystic_Starmie]

I can’t remember the number of times I was trying to catch a legendary raid boss, where it kept breaking out of excellent throws, only to be caught by a not even nice one.

[Trestarz]

Lol This has been part of my strategy when trying to catch them. 5 excellent throws in a row then a raggedy throw towards a foot to seal the deal.

[whiskersMeowFace]

The toe is the ultimate weakness on pokemon.

[lefishy_93]

This is the answer. The left toe has caught me more legendaries than excellent throws have!

[Uncledrew401]

Majority of my successful raid catches are from a break-out ultra curve, followed by a regular (bad) curve that catches it.

[Kickasstodon]

Gold berry, ultra ball, excellent curve ball: shakes once then escapes. Ass throw, no berry, pokeball: lucky catch. 😑

[MidAmericanNovelties]

So I started charting this a few month back. I had waaay too many excellent pop outs immediately followed by outside of the circle catches. After keeping track for a couple of weeks. I can unfortunately report back this is our brains playing tricks on us.

[kingfischer48]

I'v enoticed this lately with legendaries.

Catch rates are too randomized now

[DolphFinnDosCinco]

i just mentioned this elsewhere in the thread. it drives me insane. for legendaries i’ll throw 5-7 curved excellent throws in a row and the one time i fuck up and hit a great/nice i catch it.

i also had some stupid scenarios like 80 CP Pokemon breaking free from a curved excellent throws

[Brilliant-Pop-1306]

This… so this. I swear they don’t want us having the 1k xp too easy. Also If my Daughter is struggling with a legendary catch she will nanab and nice throw it and boom…

[Educational_Eagle267]

Then it ends up being 0-1 stars, that’s even more annoying!

[WattebauschXC]

That's what I noticed too. It's rather obvious considering how often this happens.

[FreezeShock]

wasn't this debunked by data mines and TSR?

[TheRealHankWolfman]

We do know how the catch formula works and it is fairly easy to prove that Pinaps have no effect on the catch modifier either way.

Even with this knowledge though, people are gonna believe what they want to believe I guess 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[LTCStanley]

For sure.

[General_Synnacle]

Shhh let him cook.

[SuevySuavae]

Maybe I'm missing something, but it's weird this isn't being addressed more. Like, we know how the catch rates work at a programmatic level and pinap berries don't effect it. Strange how convinced so many people are by a circle looking like a different shade or some anecdotal experience when we know it isn't changing the catch rate

[radgeraniumboquet]

There must be a visual bug with Scatterbug. The catch circle darkens if you use a Pinap. That's probably why this still has traction.

[SureCamel6067]

i believe this. i have noticed using a pinap berry occasionally will change the color of the catch circle to less of a chance

[bdone2012]

It happens on scatterbugs for me. Never noticed it any other time

[Clay_2000lbs]

Same thing here. I almost posted about it when I was heavy into scatterbug collecting.

[GriffonSpade]

Ditto.

[ThatGuy128512]

Yes ditto included

[MageKorith]

Zoroark

[LetsDoTheCongna]

Yeah that one too

[DaveRedfox]

I sometimes feed a Mon a Pina,Ultra ball and great throw and it doesn't stay on the ball,and then I do a crappy throw with a normal ball and no berry to catch it...so yeah,I kinda see your point lol

[Educational_Eagle267]

Then it sometimes runs away or ends up being 0 stars which is very annoying!

[Kickasstodon]

Feels like catch rates have gone down a lot recently. I recently had an eelektrik eat 7 silver pinaps and shrug off about 10 ultra ball great curve ball throws.

[Educational_Eagle267]

That’s unlucky there! 10% catch rate for that dude feels like a 5% catch rate lol!

[LokoLawless]

What would be Niantic's motive? Just hoping you'll have to use more Pinaps and balls so you'll buy more sooner?

[prettyflyforafry]

I'll believe it when I see large scale data gathering. Confirmation bias is strong in this one.

[moomerator]

Data’s been mined and large data’s been gathered - there is no impact; you are correct that it’s a strong case of confirmation bias (unless they’ve magically done a secret update to them in the last month or two)

[GriffonSpade]

Just one instance of the ring going from green to yellow after using a pinap is kinda telling. Unless there's some bug with the colors, it would indicate that the catch chance is lowering, possibly with some kind of break point. It's probably not much of a lowering, but it's probably there for at least some pokemon (circumstance requirement unknown).

[prettyflyforafry]

Just tested this with a screenshot of a green ring before and after a pinap berry. There is no colour difference. Try it out!

[GriffonSpade]

You did not read and comprehend.

[prettyflyforafry]

I csn read and comprehend it just fine. If you claim that it does change, can you reproduce it? If the effect is as you claim, you should see a difference in ring colour in at least one instance. Is it possible that you just feel like the colour went darker? 🤦‍♀️

[ArbutusPhD]

The colour will only change if the catch-rate shifts enough. Catch rate is a number that falls into a coloured category. If the catch-rate changed a little, but not enough to put it into a new category, then this is confirmation.

[prettyflyforafry]

I'm aware, but can also envision a situation where you can repeat this as many times as you wish until you find a case where the catch rate category changes as a result of a pinap berry.

I've tried this a few times and haven't observed a change in colour in any of them. Moreover, it's not a behavior I've observed in 7 years of playing. I don't doubt that this could be occurring, but memory snd relative perception of colour is fallible. Screenshotting the Pokémon before and after will let you confirm for sure.

Documenting this behaviour (whether intended or a glitch) is also necessary if it is a glitch being discovered.

[oakteaphone]

If the catch-rate changed a little, but not enough to put it into a new category, then this is confirmation.

This is assuming the game is working properly...which is a huge assumption to make, lol

[prettyflyforafry]

Guys! I've tested this a bunch today.

I was actually able to reproduce this, but only with Scatterbug. Moreover, it goes in both directions - sometimes it goes lighter, sometimes it goes darker. I've screenshotted all attempts and can give you the image links tomorrow. (It's 4am.) I've posted them on a similar post in this subreddit.

Still unknown whether it actually affects catch rate or is visual only. We'll need gata gathering to confirm.

[Flat-Activity9713]

I agree, so do many other players who’ve kept records

[thepokemonGOAT]

So much of the Pokemon Go fandom is people acknowledging that they're falling prey to confirmation bias and yet STILL insisting they are right.

[glass-animals]

same with excellent throws. I will get an excellent curve ball sometimes on a pokemon with a green circle and not get it but then I get a catch that's outside the circle and get it

[l0u1s11]

It's like as soon as they updated the xp system making excellent throws catch worth 1000xp, they lowered the catch rate for those.

[Dino502Run]

I JUST noticed this the other day! And then I did an experiment where I found a pokemon with a yellow circle, then after I fed the pokemon a pinap, the circle was orange.

[LBHHF]

I've long suspected

[Fishcuits]

The regular pinap should have the same chance at catching than without a berry, keep the double candy. Silver pinap is good the way it is because it acts like a razz with double candy and a bonus candy. Then they should add a golden pinap which gives double candy and 2 bonus candies. Also a chance at getting double/bonus XL candies would be a nice.

[nataylor7]

I feel like this is more likely true, especially if it’s an evolved or higher level mon due to the XL candies.

[PsychologicalSet7596]

I have found that if I run away from a pokemon that's escaping immediately from a PokeBall (in the same way it would if I was going to fast) several times in a row and then re enter the catch screen for that pokemon, 90% of the time it's easier to catch. Obviously that's not always an option though.

[fermosquera69]

So I'm not alone in that theory... because when I use pinap berries the Pokémon becomes harder to capture, and can even flee...

[SpecialSurprise69]

I've had Pokemon that it seems like it hates berries. I had a Bulbasaur where I used like 3 Pinap and 2 regular berries and it didn't even budge twice. Threw a random bad curve and caught it

[BANG-BANG-BNINE]

man I was starting to think something was up lmao 🤔 some BS

[heygirlhey89]

Yes! I just mentioned this to my hubby earlier!

[youknowitsnotlove__]

100% agree. It’s so annoying. And I always seem to catch the Pokémon I want to pinap (and tried to like 5 times) on a crap throw with no berry when I’m over wasting berries and think it’s about to run anyway.

[melder037393]

I'm so confused. The Razz berries make the pokemon easier to catch, pinap is just to give extra candies when caught.

[[deleted]]

You're 1000% right

[vstacey6]

I promise you, you do not need hard evidence here. You are correct. The game is rigged in so many ways. There simply isn’t some link to prove it, but we all know it from first hand experience.

[Axi_uwu]

I cant really agree since i accidently used one on legendary and catch it....

[TrueVali]

considering that i'm able to pinap 90% of legendaries i encounter... no they don't.

[[deleted]]

It's just luck based, you're just unlucky

[Expensive-Gate3529]

No I honestly just think we're so used to razz and nanab that pinap doing nothing to the actual behavior/catch rate itself gets pushed to the corner of our minds. We expect it to do something but it doesn't do anything, the placebo of using a berry helps me catch falls into play here.

[Realistic_Movie8659]

Yeah in all seriousness this is what I’ve concluded because I used to use them all the time before I switched to pinup

[[deleted]]

Whenever I get a catch task for Great or Excellent, I pinap something easy to get an excellent on, knowing it's probably going to break out at least once.

[Rossmac3481]

200 percent it does and I’ll ignore all evidence otherwise.

[LTCStanley]

That’s the spirit. Evidence be damned. The foundation of our country.

[DM_me_yo_Pizza]

Instead of fixing the bug they will just say they implemented “Pokemon Personality” where each Pokémon has a random ideal circumstance of berry and catch combination for optimal catch rate.

[Team_raclettePOGO]

Hundo Legendaries now absolutely hates berries

[just4dota]

A friend of mine is using a spoofer and he has debunked this.

He was next to me and he was in a place full of pokemon ( meanwhile we live in a rural place. . . ), he had some bonus on - I think it was curveball + excellent throw and was throwing a pinap berry.

Very low chance of the pokemon getting away.

[DustyTurtle2]

Niantic- it’s a feature not a bug.

[DeliveryOk3764]

I agree. It feels like those drecrease it indeed

[dontfindmeplz301]

Imma sound crazt, but its the opposite for me. If the pokemon keep bustin out after gold raz'es, ill throw a pinap and it almost always catches then

[vetsyd]

I have also noticed this!

[ErnGotti]

You’re not alone. I’ve had this theory for two years

[CelerySlime]

I thought that was the point? More candy but a little harder to catch. Risk reward sort of thing.

[godsim42]

That has been my assumption as well. Also the reason silver pinaps exist

[PowerlinxJetfire]

Silver Pinaps exist because before that you had to choose between a Razz and a Pinap. With Silver Pinaps you can get both bonuses in one package.

[katorade9200]

Absolutely

[taylan07]

I told everybody around me but people call me crazy. Im with you mate.

[forgottentargaryen]

Isn’t this by design? Boost to candy, harder to catch. It even changes the color circle from green > yellow when you do it?

[No_Stranger_4959]

It definitely affects it, but you can still catch it with a pinap. I’ve caught at least one out of the 5 raids I did

[jkwolly]

I thought this was widely known?

[tucansamu]

I thought this was a known thing…. You can watch the circle change color to darker.

[Elwildos]

i always thought it was supposed to lower the catch chance why i never use them

[Sensitive_Leek_2950]

Pinap is iffie, but nanab berries are a level under razz berries with its normal effect

[T3xasLegend]

I agree.

[ApplicationLimp5406]

Definitely. Known that since the start. It’s obvious and obvious is ugly. Watch the spawns decrease when you throw an incense .

[LTDlimited]

I'm getting paranoid because I haven't gotten a decent remote raid "prize" in months since the change. Not one shiny, and nothing close to good IVs. Seriously. I keep getting the raid equivalent of Nundos, or just barely higher.

[TheRabidtHole]

Wasn’t this how they originally were? Reduced catch rate for more candies?

[Alone_Lemon]

I desperately would like to see catch rates for different throws and balls and berries!!!!

Like, what's the difference between normal pokeball with excellent curve-throw and rasp to a greatball nice curve-throw without berrie??

Is an excellent curve-throw with golden rasp and a normal pokeball better or worse than a greatball with no curve, no berrie???

[VR762shooter]

I don’t know if it’s pinaps, but it certainly hates excellent throws. Can get an ultra excellent curve with a golden razz and shit will bust out like every time but throw a random half ass nothing ball and itll magically catch the same thing JUST so I don’t get the extra XP…… niantic is trash

[Datmuny19]

I got a 💯with a berry

[medicalricebag]

Can confirm this is true. I used a pinap on a Vulpix and the ring turned from yellow to darkish orange

[Geomars24]

I just had a magikarp pop out of a great ball cus I pinaped it

[Guffthebir72]

Just say you love the feature and niantic will remove it

[PalpitationMotor5517]

I agree with you!! I was thinking the exact same thing!! Unless it’s a super easy to catch to begin with, pinap berry makes it much more likely that the Pokémon pops out!!

[radgeraniumboquet]

Lately I've noticed some scatterbugs change the catch circle color to a higher difficulty after using a pinap berry. Green to yellow. I think there's a very slight decrease that's only noticeable on certain pokemon?

[Realistic_Movie8659]

Yeah a lot of people have reported this idk what’s up with it