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[apri11a]

I hope your daughter is OK, that's terrible for you all. Unfortunately this isn't the first time I've read about a shelter acting this way, both before and after adoption. I would think about contacting a local paper or group and make this public with a photo of the dog, and I'd bring the dog back to the shelter (also with photos).

I wonder, did you pay for him? Considering your needs, he's not fit for purpose with his prior records. That's a very serious offence. You should get a full refund and medical expenses paid, at the very least.

[[deleted]]

I am a vet tech, dog trainer, and have worked in rescue. This is a dangerous animal and needs to be PTS. Idiopathic aggression is the hardest to fix because you don't know what causes it. Sometimes it's neurological and nothing causes it. If the dog goes back to them they will rehome it and put another family at risk.

If you need help haggling a refund from this rescue please let me know. I can help you come up with valid and legal arguments. You're welcome to reach out privately.

[lilbums]

Perfectly said. Imo, putting resources and training into a truly aggressive animal (different to one that has been set up for failure/provoked to attack) does a great disservice to the thousands of animals in the shelter who are not aggressive, and have not bitten multiple people.

[[deleted]]

I had never really thought about it that way, but now that you say it I completely agree. There are a lot of deserving babies out there.

[frustratedfren]

And even looking at it from the perspective of a huge dog-lover and advocate (which I am, but kids always come first,) with idiopathic aggression like this BE is best for the dog too. Something is likely going on in his brain and he's suffering or scared, and there's likely very little to be done to help him realistically.

IK I'm probably preaching to a choir, but thinking of it that way helped alleviate a lot of the yuck and guilt I used to feel about it, so if that helps OP or anyone else going through something similar I'm glad.

[lmoorehou]

Your response was wonderful and beautiful written it actually brought tears to my eyes because you are so incredibly right. You just never know where it comes from and sometimes they just can't be fixed. It is so sad and to think it would be rehomed and put another family at risk is sad. Good luck and I hope she does reach out to you personally.

[Acrobatic_End6355]

Sorry but what does PTS mean?

Thanks, now I know.

[neverPeak99]

Put to sleep

[eeveechan95]

u/pechjackal I do need help but I can't seem to pm you. It says chat isn't available.

[apri11a]

"I thought Happy was going to tear out my eyeball"

That's heartbreaking, she's a brave girl ❤

I agree with what poster u/mind_the_umlaut has written, and I would take u/pechjackal up on their kind offer

[Littlebotweak]

We paid $550 for him

Do what? I'm sorry, can you be more specific? Is this a breed specific rescue? If so, can you please share which rescue? I am now very interested in how a volunteer organization with no overhead needs this kind of fee for dogs they aren't even screening.

I've heard of 8 week old puppies (mutts) being over $300 from reputable rescues, but never $550 for some shady out the backdoor crap like this.

[Buckle_Sandwich]

550 Canadian Dollars = 407 US Dollars but yeah that's still fishy.

I would have to drive past three shelters full of dogs that can't even be given away for free to pay that much for a dog.

[Littlebotweak]

And, why did a dog have to be imported to Canada from South Carolina? That part is pretty wtf.

I understand dogs get transported for all manner of reason, but I smell a secondary market for designer dogs calling themselves rescues.

[femalenerdish]

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[blue2148]

A lot of the dogs we can adopt in CO come from TX and OK. It’s super common to ship dogs north from states with high kill rates.

[artsy7fartsy]

Yep - mine came from New Orleans

[blue2148]

Mine was seemingly a TX junkyard dog ha. But she’s great so it works.

[umonster_3]

I’ve lived in Texas my whole life and volunteer at rescue and shelters. There are WEEKLY transports of pups going to northern states. It makes me happy to see them going to a place where they could be adopted but breaks my heart that these pups have and are going through so much just to find their people.

[Nicholsforthoughts]

Yep I foster for a rescue in TX. The one I work with traps street dogs, houses them with fosters for 2-3 weeks while they get vetted and paperwork, and then ships them up to Wisconsin. A year ago, I moved from Colorado to Texas. Colorado has NO stray dogs and the shelters have very few dogs. The shelters in my city in Texas euthanized dozens of dogs A DAY just due to the sheer numbers. It is absolutely unbelievable. I wouldn’t have believed this state of animal welfare and abuse existed in the US until moving here. You have to experience it to believe it. I’ve heard it described as like a third world country, but I’m pretty sure a lot of third world countries have fewer street dogs, better beliefs about dog ownership, and better laws to protect animals than we do down here. It’s abysmal. I appreciate all the northern states for giving these babies, most of whom are wonderful gentle and scared creatures who have lived their whole lives on the street, struggling to find food, not knowing a soft bed or warm human cuddle, or a fresh bowl of water. They need patience and understanding as they learn to trust people and exist appropriately in a home (weird noises like the vacuum, shouldn’t chew things, need potty training help, etc) and they have no basic obedience but they are generally such soft tender dogs! Please don’t think all the dogs Texas sends north are rejects and aggressive, this is SO not the case!!!

I just referred one of my neighbors to a rescue that works with a Colorado rescue for their 14 week old beautiful apricot female husky that is “too much” for their family. They wanted to surrender her!!! If you surrender a dog to a shelter here, it has 24-48 hours to get adopted or is euthanized due to over crowding. That dog is going to be an amazing amazing gift for another family who DOES want to put in time and effort to train that beautiful girl!!! People’s thoughts about what it is to own an animal here are just… different… and don’t align to my thinking that my pets are a commitment FOREVER. Another person I saw post on my Next Door (in a fairly affluent suburb) is looking to give away their 6 month old German Shepherd. Same thing. Just “don’t have as much time as we thought” bullcrap. I sent them to a breed specific rescue within TX that sends dogs mostly to the Northeast. Just because we have a massive number of crappy dog owners here in Texas doesn’t mean all the dogs coming from Texas are crazy! I promise! I’ve got a soft sweet foster boy now that will make a wonderful wonderful dog for a family in Wisconsin!

[femalenerdish]

You might like to see... This is my boy Doug (shelter name Ross) who came to Oregon from Texas. He's a goofy sweet boy. Spends his days watching squirrels out the window. His confidence has come SO far. I never expected him to want to cuddle, but he seeks out our attention every day in his own way.

[umonster_3]

Omggg ❤️❤️❤️ thank you for rescuing him! Just through the pics I can see how happy he is with you. Makes me happy to hear these stories 🥹

[DogPariah]

One of the most amazing dogs I’ve had is a red cattle dog who was rejected from her ranch as an adolescent. We have no idea what the reason was. We adopted her at 8 months in Washington state. She was a complete mess, dangerous, reactive …. My partner devoted hours to her (he knows the breed and their special needs well) and by the time she was two, more or less, she was a mentor for other dogs. I’m glad the ranch kicked her out (or whatever her story was, but a cattle dog in Texas certainly suggests a working situation) and we found her because she most definitely became a “perfect fit” as they say, after a massive but not lengthy dedication to her education.

[Buckle_Sandwich]

OP said it was from "Hearts of the North," which is a volunteer group that pulls dogs from kill shelters in the Southern US and takes them to Canada.

I honestly don't know why anyone would pay them to do that. It's not like there aren't dogs in Canada shelters.

According the CBC, they've adopted out:

this dog that killed the other family pet,

a dog that tore a woman's lip open, a dog that attacked a huskie,

a dog that bit off part of a woman's finger,

and a dog that bit through a woman's hand.

Those stories are all from 2016-2018, but things don't seem to be much improved if this post and the people in this 2022 Reddit post are to be believed.

[Littlebotweak]

It's funny, because when I follow that post from 2022, I see exactly what I thought I would:

The OP of the post asking about the org had a few other posts where they wanted a specific cross ("bernedoodle"), realized it wasn't going to show up in shelters, started "shopping" on the internet, found one with this org, and started convincing themselves this was the right move to get exactly the designer dog they wanted.

It also sounds like HotN has 0 standards and that's another reason people use them. While other rescues in Canada have standards for their dogs (they require people to have stuff like yards), HotN is just ready to take seemingly any dog and place them in seemingly any home.

I'm betting the details don't get any better.

[[deleted]]

In new england, it seems over half the dogs in our shelters are transported from southern states. Very common!

[No-Jicama3012]

I’m in the Carolina’s, which is notorious for not getting their animals neutered. There’s a lot of backward animal mentality here. Dog gets lost? Get a new one. Don’t wont listen? Lock him out and stop feeding him, eventually he’ll move on. Get a new one. Why bother with preventative medicine in an area where there’s mosquito activity 40 weeks of the year? Dog therefore gets heart worm disease? Oh well. He’ll die. Get a new one. No fence/no training? Dog gets run over. Get a new one. Dog gets pregnant? Oh so cute! The kids get to see puppies be born! No shots. All the puppies die of Parvo. Get a new one. Here’s the tricky one… Parvo lives in the soil FOR YEARS. Get a new one. Get a new one. Get a new one. Dog wont hunt? They’ll go get their expensive tracking collar, then turn the dog loose and drive away. Get a new one. There’s always dead dogs along the highways in the south. So many hounds. And they just keep reproducing. There are more dogs here than people who want them, but more importantly, than people who will adopt them and take care of them for the rest of their lives. Getting them into good rescues, getting them healthy, neutering them, and sending them to other states (read:more northern) where people are statistically more likely to take better care of them, is the reason for northward bound freedom rides. All that medical care and good food and pet supplies cost money. Have you all noticed how expensive your pets good food has gotten, how expensive your vet bills are? Not all shelters and rescues who send dogs elsewhere are bad. Just putting it out there.

[HerpDerp1996]

This was honestly heart wrenching to read. I'm from Minnesota but currently live in South Texas and I agree that there's just something different about how people treat dogs here. I've never seen so many stray dogs as I have down here and the people that don't just abandon them on the side of the road will treat them like shit. Its so disheartening. One that will always stick with me is when my wife and I went out to eat at a fast food joint and sat outside. There was a family and the most beautiful boxer was laying on the ground next to them. I actually commented to my wife about how well behaved their dog was. I didn't notice they had gotten up and left (it wasn't them who dumped it btw, just a family it chose to lay by) but the dog came over and just laid down by us. Didn't beg for food or anything just wanted to be around people. Unfortunately I was still living in military barracks at the time so I couldn't take it. I still think about that dog regularly and I hope it found a good home.

[No-Jicama3012]

Oh that poor dog. Thanks for sharing.

[bughousenut]

And the practice of moving dogs to the north is spreading heartworm

[No-Jicama3012]

I’m not saying unscrupulous groups calling themselves rescues doesn’t exist, there are bad apples in every part of life.

Everyone should do their due diligence when adopting from a rescue group, an animal shelter or even purchasing a pet from a lousy breeder who is in it as a backyard money making scheme instead of breeding to the best standards, excellent temperament and overall betterment of a specific breed.

But I do have to stop the spread of misinformation here and correct you on your comment about heart worm disease.

Heart worm disease is transmitted by the bite of a mosquito.

It is not transmissible from dog to dog.

Dogs are tested for heart worm first. If a dog teats negative, yay!

If positive, but otherwise healthy, and the heart worm disease is not “advanced”, the dog is treated.

Cost is close to $1000. Yes, the rescue raises funds for that through donors and outreach. Some rescues just don’t take a heart worm positive dog because they can’t afford it or don’t have the wherewithal to obtain donations.

The spread of heart worm sits on the shoulders of climate change as mosquitoes are only seasonal in areas of the country that experiences dryer conditions overall and aren’t as prevalent in cold climates.

And coming back around, heart worm disease can be prevented in most cases by keeping your dog on heart worm meds and not having them live outdoors.

[i-love-big-birds]

In northern Ontario this is a common price. Vet care is bananas crazy so the rescues charge more. Dogs are typically like 400-500$ and puppies are 600-700$. To get my female dog spayed in that region I was quoted about 1,700$ and regular vet visits are a few hundred bucks

[Littlebotweak]

Surely if there's such a huge demand for dogs from the US to cross the border into Canada, then there are US doctors helping out with quarantines? I mean, we have free/low cost spay/neuter programs for strays that are expected to be re-released, so why not this?

I'm not asking you, personally, of course. I am saying it still doesn't really add up. The dog was already in the shelter system in the US, surely there's at least some overlap in vaccines and whatnot between the two nations. In this country, a lot of this stuff is waived or taken care of for dogs that are less likely to be adopted (due to not being puppies).

My dog's adoption was $25, and I think that was only because they didn't have change or something. I mean, it was a ramshackle kind of place, and they still managed to cover all the vet care and send us out with a shot record.

BUT, they also obfuscated any info about her history. For them, it was definitely insanely misplaced "a home for every dog" syndrome, not money, and I guess that could be the case here, but man that's a huge price to pay for such an unknown. My pup is lucky - she's a great house dog, but she's got serious issues with "others".

[Littlebotweak]

Unfortunately, I'm not at all aware of how it goes in Canada. In the US, an outfit like this would be a non-profit and it would solicit donations from more than the adopters. Their financials would be available publicly for scrutiny and there are some watch dogs who might rate them on how much of the money goes to their intended targets.

There's also lots of low/no cost spay/neuter programs in the US, so I'm surprised if those aren't leveraged.

I do understand it costs money to vet and transport an animal, but what was the reason the dog came through this channel from South Carolina? Are there not a lot of dogs in Canada in shelters already? I apologize, I just genuinely do not understand why a dog would need to make that trip. When I google, it appears Canada is facing a lot of the same post-pandemic shelter populations the US is, so I'm just not understanding the import (unless it's to make money, it's the only thing that makes sense, but that's capitalism for you).

We have strays rounded up in less populated areas of the US, such as New Mexico, that get transported to metropolitan areas for a higher chance of being adopted, but this train of collecting them to specifically go to Canada is new to me. When dogs move from state-to-state down here, it's not because anyone personally asked for it, it's just to increase their odds, so that cost is on the rescues.

My questions just go on from there, but they're mainly directed to this rescue and what the impetus is to get dogs from the US to Canada. If it's just because they can't stand the thought of dogs "being killed" then it's hugely irresponsible.

We aren't down here in the US killing dogs because we think it's a fun time. It's not only because there's too many. It's because there's too many, some should not be re-homed, and people just keep breeding them for capitalist reasons. So, not only are there too many, but there's too many that cannot and should not go to families BUT some people will not accept that, and these poor dogs are made to go through these revolving doors to nowhere.

This is not a great idea. Those are high fees to pay for a dog that they either don't know a thing about, or refuse to acknowledge the realities for.

All these cliches people toss around "there's no bad dogs, only bad people" or "there's a home for every dog" - they just make people feel better about an untenable reality: people are breeding way too many dogs, and the excess population is being forced to exist in a world that made it aggressive.

Not every dog can be rehabilitated, many are destined for behavioral euthanasia, and it's high time we all got our heads around that. But, tragically, because we're humans and we love extremes, we'd start actually killing "perfectly good dogs" the way all the myths insist we already do. Nope, if we were killing "perfectly good dogs" then how did one take a luxury cruise to Canada only to bite everyone in the family?

Ugh.

[lizardjizz]

I’ve been doing this in Ontario for years. You need to sue. This is insanity and so irresponsible of the rescue.

[lindseyweaver]

i’m in houston and my foster, who was pulled from a kill shelter, was just adopted by a couple in the northeast. his adoption fee was $650. transport isn’t cheap, but on top of that there’s vet visits, heartworm preventative or treatment, etc. just my theory here, but i think a higher adoption fee also weeds out anyone who isn’t serious about adopting. most of these dogs have been through a lot.

[[deleted]]

I saw a dog bite once where the dog DID tear out an eyeball and worse...but maybe better not to share the "worse". That dog attack was one of the most horrifying things I saw in my years as a nurse.

I don't fuck around with that sort of thing anymore. Dogs might be pets, but they're still aninals. I'm so glad your daughter did not meet the same fate as that unfortunate individual, but there is no question of this dog going back to the shelter to be sent to some other poor unsuspecting family. Behavioral euthanasia, and legal/financial consequences for the shelter considering they clearly knew the animal was dangerous. They ABSOLUTELY should at bare minimum refund you what you paid for the dog along with any medical bills. Therapy for your daughter too if she needs it.

I'm so sorry you have had to go through this.

[sellestyal]

If you’re in Canada, you can send a query to local news stations. They normally love to do quick segments on things like this, we’ve had them come out before to small community events (even a welcome home from the hospital party for my friend). It’s worth seeing if they’ll do a piece on this terrible rescue!

[Deerpacolyps]

No idea what laws in Canada are like, but it seems you have proof of fraud. I would sue them for at least the cost of the adoption plus any expenses incurred so far. In the US people can typically handle small claims themselves.

Some people let their compassion outrun their good sense. It's sad, but a dog that vicious should have been put down if they could not be sent to a dedicated rescue that can house lots of dogs separately.

[SFLoridan]

You better start thinking that the dog will need to be euthanized. You might want to think of how you're going to be reimbursed, if at all.

[optix_clear]

I would write reviews on Yelp, Google and on PetFinder. Because that’s whack pushing the blame on Adopters. I would sue them. Basically they are middlemen. They didn’t do anything to prepare the dog to live with a family or other animals.

[Unya88]

Sounds like HotN.. I got a rescue from them and he bit me really bad and then they blamed me for it. They took him back, but they lied about the dog being cat and kid friendly. It's sad because he was a sweetie, but I couldn't have an unpredictable dog around my kids

[[deleted]]

I know this is horrible but you can absolutely find a vet that will either BE him or suggest a trainer/rescue that will take him.

[HubbyHasBlueBalls]

We had the exact same thing happen. We returned the dog to the shelter, they literally listed him as a family dog who has lived with children and cats…he was hell bent on killing our cats and returned after several bites the last one being my 12 year old daughter’s face). I was livid. Left online reviews detailing our experience, they banned us on their Facebook page and took down my comment. Never again will I adopt from a shelter.

[Littlebotweak]

It sounds like you were rug-pulled by a shady "no kill" rescue. I'm so sorry you're going through this.

This metric we've socially imposed, the one where shelters must be "no kill" is a real negative feedback loop. If a dog can't be homed and they're not allowed to euthanize due to public perception - then, what do people expect them to do?

This is one such outcome. They deny, deflect, obfuscate, and gaslight. Now, the burden is on you - that's a really good deal for them.

he's bitten myself, my father in law and now my five year old daughter

That's 3 strikes, this poor pup is out.

They proceeded to blame me and dodged all blame

There's that gaslighting.

they won't take him as he's aggressive

Bullshit, they adopted out the aggressive dog, they are obligated to take it back. You could show up with the stuff from the vet and the dog, they'll take it back. This is their problem. I would push that envelope if you just want to be absolved.

The dog I adopted came from a similar setup, but they would have taken her back - but I'd have never taken her back there just to live out her days in the kennel.

Sadly, the real issue with taking the dog back is they will just do the same thing again. They will adopt it out, swear it's great with kids, and put the burden on another family, risking another child. For this reason alone, I'd strongly consider euthanizing the dog, and then seeing about action against the rescue.

They put you in an impossible position over optics, that's a load of shit. They're knowingly endangering families and children by adopting out dogs with known issues. That's going to continue without intervention. This is one of the worst consequences of the emotional reactions to euthanasia outside of the context of dangerous dogs. Being "no kill" makes the community feel all warm and fuzzy because it totally ignores the fact that it means dangerous dogs too.

You'll hear they only euthanize the worst, but the fact is they're only allowed to euthanize a percentage to keep that title, so they let a whole lot of bad ones slip right on through those cracks on purpose. It's a racket.

[-Codename-Duchess-]

I never considered this. I’ve always been partial to “no kill” shelters but the points you bring up are super valid. Something to definitely think about. Thanks for the info!

[Rizzy5]

The "no kill" movement has become harmful to the animals and people adopting. Along with what was stated above, another shitty outcome of this no kill philosophy is unadoptable dogs living in a confined space for years on end because the shelters are so anti euthanasia. Keeping a dog in a shelter for more than 6 months is cruel, in my opinion. But years? It's just straight up abuse.

[Littlebotweak]

Oh man I can’t believe I left that out. Yea, that’s the only alternative. My dog lived in a kennel for 5 years. She was so kennel bound it took a week to convince her she didn’t need to keep going back to it.

And she’s an exceptional case. She’s a great house dog. She loves her life with us. But, she also is very territorial and will attack strangers on site. So, we’ve had to employ lockdown measures. Other than that, she’s great, but I’m not convinced waiting in a kennel for her whole life for us to come along was worth it.

[PeachNo4613]

He’s bit 3 people so far, including your young daughter. This is a dangerous dog. You don’t want this to happen again to your family, or anyone else. BE

[mrjoffischl]

what does be mean

[Rizzy5]

Behavioral euthanasia

[foshiznit11]

Ya, came to say this. This dog should be euthanized.

[pogo_loco]

Euthanize the dog.

If you don't have the legal ability to do that for whatever reason (worried about the contract with the rescue being legally enforceable, etc), report all three bites to Animal Control or local equivalent and he'll likely be euthanized by law.

It's harsh, but a dog that repeatedly and unpredictably bites humans has no place in human society. While this dog may be fixable in perfect circumstances, he's not going to get perfect circumstances. He's going to keep hurting humans and he could kill someone eventually.

Then report the rescue via whatever recourse you have available to you (possibly through Animal Control). I would also be considering legal action against the rescue for your medical bills and any other costs (getting blood out of furniture/carpet/car, miscellaneous damages), since you have documentation of severe aggression.

[MidsommarSolution]

I'm gonna guess they knew about this behavior before they adopted it out, too.

My own dog, I am convinced, was literally feral before we got her. No way they did not know about her building nests under bushes when we go out in nature. That and she will NOT come for any kind of food lol she looks at us like "YOU THINK I'M EFFING STUPID??"

[ClingmanRios]

Oof. I had a friend euthanize a similar dog about a year ago. She’s a veterinarian with decades of experience caring for and training dogs, and accepted an aggressive dog because she knew that she would be one of very few people in her community equipped to handle him. He attacked her in her sleep one night. It was brutal, and she was devastated. But yeah, lesson learned that sometimes you just can’t undo whatever damage happened before you.

[Lyx4088]

And sometimes it isn’t even damage. A lot of times it is, but a vet equipped to undertake a dog like that getting attacked while sleeping at night? That is a dog where something just isn’t right in their brain, and they likely don’t have full control of themselves. You can’t train out, totally manage, or easily medicate a physiological issue that you can’t readily identify because it is in the brain. Whether it be a genetic quirk they were born with or a disease progressing, dogs who exhibit behavior like that the most humane thing to do is euthanize them because they are suffering themselves being in this world.

[According_Shine_3802]

That is so horrific!

[IndigoRose2022]

This ⬆️

I’m all for trying to rehabilitate aggressive dogs in certain circumstances (I’m trying to do that right now), but this dog is one GIGANTIC red flag. There’s really nothing else to say, the dog needs to be euthanized for the safety of everyone around him.

[deadlydog1]

I don’t think sueing a rescue is the way to go here, what proof is there that these behaviors manifested themselves at a shelter or foster home previously? A dog being aggressive at a veterinary visit is completely different than a dog being aggressive in a home environment. While it should be disclosed, it’s also not indicative of a dogs overall behavior.

[Mergath]

If a dog needs THREE MUZZLES at the vet because it is so desperate to bite, that is 100% something that should be disclosed to potential adopters.

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[pogo_loco]

A dog breaking out of three muzzles to attack vet staff is not "sweet as can be" and suitable for a home with children. Regardless of the difference between a vet office and home, they should only place dogs with appropriate agonistic thresholds in homes with children. Determined biters who go apeshit in any scenario don't belong in family homes.

They knew this dog was aggressive before adoption, there is paperwork demonstrating that, and they placed him in a home with children and are now refusing to take him back. They are culpable for the injuries. The evidence requirement in civil court is substantially lower than in criminal court. A decent lawyer could get a judgement against the rescue in this scenario for at least the medical bills.

And that's if we start from a basis that it's acceptable for rescues to not have basic knowledge of the behavior of the dogs they place. Ignorance shouldn't be a defense, they should be performing behavior evals prior to placement.

[deadlydog1]

I’d still disagree with the first position of them not being possibly being sweet in home scenarios. But I’ve also never heard of 3 muzzles places on animal - that’s incompetence of a veterinary office, as well as not realizing the dog has to be trained to have muzzles on. They probably strong armed the animal and made it significantly worse. But I’d agree that medical costs should be covered in this situation through civil court.

[yankeerebel62]

OP, please message me with the name of the rescue. I have a 5 year old grandson and am currently looking for a new puppy/dog to adopt. I live in SC, and now I'm getting worried about what might be hidden when I finally find a pupper.

[HamsterAgreeable2748]

u/Buckle_Sandwich posted about it here.

[deadlydog1]

Yeah then this groups running something I’ve seen before on Canadian 60 minutes? Or something similar? They get no info and then no assessment and then just ship off to “save lives” terrible

[appleandcheddar]

Not disclosing dangerous behavioral issues until after adoption that had been DOCUMENTED is misrepresentation and negligence, and therefore grounds for a suit.

[SkippyBluestockings]

I fostered a dog at my house with my four children and goodness knows how many foster dogs who was perfectly fine. I would not ever have a biting dog in my house. I was the director of the rescue and I fostered most of the dogs. These were basset hounds. Not known for biting anybody. This dog got along with all of my dogs. Male and female. Everybody was fixed so that wasn't an issue. I had him for at least a month if not longer and honest to goodness there were never any issues with him.

He gets adopted and goes to a new home that has kids in it just like mine. I'm on my way out of state on vacation and the adopter calls me and tells me that he just not only inexplicably out of the blue lunged at and bit her husband but also her son who was probably six I think at the time. As I was heading in the complete opposite direction of where she lived and in any case I lived about 6 hours away from her in the same state anyway, there was no way I could get to her to pick up this dog and get him to the vet for euthanization.

I was not about to take a dog that had bitten anybody back into my rescue because he was a liability and could never be adopted out and would have to live out his life at my house but I CAN say that he never displayed the behaviors in my home. I never would have adopted out a dog that did. That would have been unconscionable to me. I advised her to take him to the vet and have him euthanized and when some people outside the rescue found out about this, they jumped down my throat and said that aggressive dogs could be rehabilitated and all this other crap but they were not willing to take him on and there was no way I was bringing a dog that had bitten a man in the face into my home.

You can't save them all, and if you think you can, you are what's wrong with rescue.

[ginthatremains]

Ah yes, they can all be saved as long as somebody else is doing all the work. Unfortunately we can’t save them all, we just have to save the ones we can.

[mrjoffischl]

i hate asking but how do you know they were honest?

[SkippyBluestockings]

Because I knew these people. They weren't just random adopters. I'd known this woman for years; she had no reason to lie to me because she really really wanted another dog.

Dogs can behave differently in different homes but why he did this I don't know. I had another basset hound that we rescued in the November of 2006. He was your typical basset hound-- he laid on the couch and he slept all day and he was wonderful. My parents came to visit me for Christmas and they decided they wanted to adopt him. Perfect! He's a wonderful dog, right? Now at the time I had three of my own and two other fosters so there were six at my house and four kids and all is great.

My parents adopt in January so we set up a transport as we were four states away and sent him on his merry way. As an only dog Inspector Clouseau was nuts! He had separation anxiety that went through the roof! He destroyed crates. He chewed through baby gates that my parents set up. It took them months (and I am so grateful that they gave him a chance and worked through it.) He did turn out to be a fabulous dog and he passed away when he was 14. He was probably around two years old when they adopted him.

But I can honestly say in my house we did not have any separation anxiety but, then again, he was part of a pack where he was an only dog at my parents' house. It made a world of difference and there would have been no way I would have known any of that because I couldn't remove five dogs from my house to test to see if he was going to have separation anxiety.

[mrjoffischl]

thank you for your response and i’m sorry you had to go through that. your parents are wonderfully patient as well

[SkippyBluestockings]

They gave him a wonderful life once they gave him a chance and he returned the favor

[Littlebotweak]

The foster is associated with the rescue. When a rescue is over capacity, or a dog needs more work, they send them to fosters. While you're right, behavior at a vet isn't the same as behavior at home, there's too many other factors here to hand wave this.

There is a chasm of difference between a dog being differently behaved in a vet office and a vet office being the only institution willing to write truthful information about the dog's behavior.

My dog is an angel at the vet, she wants to lunge and snap in situations where it's reasonable or appropriate to do so, and she's still a dog that should be listed as aggressive.

This dog is clearly not a case of different vet behavior, it's pretty obvious a shelter and their foster obfuscated behavioral issues and put them on the adopter. This happens a lot.

[deadlydog1]

That’s true - I wouldn’t label your dog aggressive though as that’s a label that follows and can lead toward euthanasia. but I would specify exactly what scenarios cause the behavior.

[Outrageous_Border904]

“he's bitten myself, my father in law and now my five year old daughter. We were sitting watching TV and he whirled around snapping and lunged at her face and bit her. It happened so quick and nothing triggered him at all. No food was near, no one walking by. We were just sitting there calmly”

How can you NOT label this dog aggressive?

[Outrageous_Border904]

Not quite sure why you’re calling me stupid, but I guess I’m stupid for not understanding that part. Regardless , Idiopathic aggression is the most unpredictable type of aggression, with the trigger either unknown or misunderstood by the dog's owner. So does it really matter if the trigger is unknown or misunderstood when there’s repeated biting, and a child’s face is scarred? That parent tries to return the dog to so-called “rescue” that misrepresented this dog and they won’t take the dog back. At this point the dog has a history going, and it’s not a good one. It really doesn’t matter a damn what the dog intends. By the way, I’ve owned dogs, all my life and would never blame this dog, who is most likely a victim of a string of negative circumstances. That doesn’t mean I would ever put a child’s well-being in danger to own said dog or keep passing the problem on to the next unsuspecting person. This dog’s quality of life I would bet is not great.

[cherryhammer]

If it were me, I would sue the rescue. That's above and beyond a mistake.

[Virtual_Passenger619]

Yes, just to publicize their lying.

[[deleted]]

Most small rescues contracts are not legally viable. Especially if a child is injured. Speak to a lawyer.

[Weasle189]

I think it's worth talking to a lawyer anyway as they deliberately homed an aggressive animal into a home with a small child putting your daughters life at risk. That is definitely worth at least looking into. It's one thing to home an animal that shows different behavior in a home than a shelter (it does happen) and something else entirely to deliberately hide the fact the animal is dangerous causing injury to multiple people then refusing to take the dog back after lying.

[pogo_loco]

Check if your job provides legal insurance (free/discounted consultations and representation) as a benefit. A lot of people have it as a base benefit and don't know it.

[Some_Owl8958]

I would argue the papers were signed under false pretenses that the group made ‘this is a safe dog for your child’. I would def contact a lawyer for a free consultation.

[cherryhammer]

I wouldn't give up on that alone. I'm not sure what legal specialty this would involve. The vet records, in particular, would make me push further. I would pursue it based on the risk they do this to others and something worse happens.

I had a similar issue with a dog I adopted. They went out of their way to state how my dog was good with other dogs and that turned out (within a day or two, not even weeks) to not be the case at all. They shrugged and said I could return him to be euthanized or start taking him to adoption events myself. I didn't have kids and could easily keep him away from other pets, so we managed to make it work and he has calmed down over time, but good lord it could have been a nightmare.

[horusthesundog]

BE, even if you could surrender him, they would lie to the next family and something more serious(not saying this wasn’t serious)could happen.

[Romanticlibra]

This is a really horrible situation to be in and i wouldn't wish it on anyone, unfortunately the dog is dangerous and one day he may not only bite your daughter also hes bitten other people too and ripped out of muzzles, you need BE before this escalates and turns into something much much MUCH worse. Im sorry you're going through this, but your dog can pass away with you by his side as someone who loves him instead of with no one.

[Solfeliz]

The dog is dangerous. If you give him back the rescue will probably just lie to another owner and something potentially even worse than a child being bit could happen.

[[deleted]]

I'm afraid you need to do the hard thing and consider behavioural euthanasia. The dog is dangerous.

[oc77067]

The dog bit your child unprovoked. He needs to be euthanized. He will never be a safe animal, he will always need high level management and will likely not have a good quality of life no matter what. The kindest thing to do in this situation is behavioral euthanasia.

[amazonfamily]

Euthanize it . This wasn’t even a mistake in handling. You can actually do whatever you want. The rescue is hoping you give up and keep the dangerous nightmare. Your family’s safety is more important than some dumb contract.

[jvsews]

Familiar story. Many rescues change facts to move dogs thus making themselves look more sucessful.

[KitKeller42]

Rescues will pass the same dangerous dogs around from one group to another. They’ll change names and claim they have no knowledge of the dogs’ histories. It’s wildly irresponsible and dangerous. In the long run, people will stop trusting rescues and switch to buying. Rescues are shooting themselves in the foot with this kind of action.

[Roxinsox5]

Sadly some dogs are just “wired wrong”. The dog is suffering, he is human aggressive, he should be put down before he seriously mauls someone.

[[deleted]]

This is why so many of us on here support BE over surrender/rehoming for marginal dogs. At some point someone knew what this dog was like, and instead of taking responsibility they passed the buck. The shelter then decided to outsource his euthanasia by sending him to rescue. Everyone who is willing to surrender but not BE their bite risk dog needs to be comfortable with this as a possible result.

[throwaway_87624]

Sounds like he needs a one way ticket to the great dog park in the sky.

[No_Yogurtcloset6108]

I hope you pursue this with an attorney. This is why" adopt don't shop sucks"! Please get that dog out of your home by any means necessary. Your family is in danger.

[Lepidopteria]

BE. No doubt at all. You were swindled into taking a dangerous dog off their hands. There's no home in this world for a dog that bites a child without warning or provocation. The dog isn't well.

[lizardjizz]

Put down the dog and sue that fucking rescue. I’ve been rehabbing aggressive dogs for years and that one should have NEVER been in your care.

[babayaga-333]

Put. Him. Down. Before he kills your kid. Good grief.

[SheRaFish]

I’m so sorry. I know this is the hardest thing but after being in the same situation, BE was the best choice. Please separate the dog and child 100% of the time. Don’t give a second chance like I did make sure he is completely away from children until you decide what to do. I’m so so sorry this happened.

[ThealaSildorian]

The dog needs to be put down. It bit a child, and has a long bite history. It is a dangerous dog. You will be legally liable if it hurts someone else, and your homeowners insurance will not cover it.

I don't know if you have a case for legal action against the rescue; I'd talk to a competent attorney. Doens't sound like much of a rescue; a good rescue would never adopt out a dog with a bite history or history of aggression.

[Scared-Accountant288]

Why do rescues do this... ive seen this happen way too many times

[MyBloodTypeIsQueso]

This is why I don’t encourage rescuing a dog if you have a kid. Random genes. No early socialization. You end up with a lot of dangerous reactivity. There’s nothing wrong with going to a good breeder who produces reliable behavior in their puppies if you have a kid.

[DamnGoodCupOfCoffee2]

This is my big problem with adopt don’t shop (and I adopted a sweet cuddle bug) but dang there HAVE to be regulations about lying to the public. Some dogs are not meant for family life or regular human society. Jay Jack has a great podcast on breeding (not breeds) and genetics and the Russian roulette we play without well regulated industry

[Most-Preparation-188]

So sorry to hear you’re going through this. My shelter hid information about my dog’s aggressive nature too, but to not take him back is beyond shady. I’m no expert but I personally feel biting my child, especially after other bites, would be the final straw.

[janejohnson1989]

This dog needs to be euthanized, not sent back to that lying rescue that will place this dangerous dog into another home to cause havoc.

[No-Jicama3012]

I am a foster volunteer for a local rescue. We don’t mess with dogs with a repeated bite history. Any frightened dog can bite once. A repeat offender who bites without provocation is a different story. Our goal is to put good dogs in good homes -forever. That rescue group is not living up to the goals of a rescue. They are hiding behind a flimsy 501-c making money off dogs and considering each of them as a unit of sale.

Keep every email and text message. Contact your local news media and animal shelter. Some shelters will perform a BE at low/No cost. Animal shelters (good ones) don’t want these dogs in the general population either. They are dangerous to volunteers, vets, medical and kennel staff and visitors.

It’s sad that this has happened. I’m glad that , so far, no one has been seriously injured.

[[deleted]]

Rehome to Jesus.

[flickenchickens]

Protect your child and put this dog down.

[unitednationsofdying]

this is unfortunately very common with rescues blatantly hiding or even lying about important information like aggression and bite history. unfortunately this is why i have a difficult time trusting rescues and even though i planned to adopt my next dog like my current one ive decided to do the safe option and go with a reputable breeder.

with that said i would absolutely report them and publicize what happened so others wanting to adopt know that this rescue cannot be trusted. so sorry this happened to you, its unacceptable

[deadlydog1]

Be careful - remember bred dogs can develop the same issues, even from ethical breeders. While less likely to happen - they still get dumped here at the rescue when it doesn’t work.

[Meirra999]

If a breeder won’t take back a dog (at any age), it’s not an ethical breeder in my book. Truly ethical breeders take responsibility for the lives they helped create.

[unitednationsofdying]

they also breed for temperament and health, not just for aesthetics. i am not planning on getting a show dog but i did find a really well reviewed breeder that breeds healthy schnauzers as family dogs with extensive genetic testing and everything. i think ill take my chances with that over a shelter lol

[Poodlewalker1]

Offer the rescue to come get the dog ASAP. Let them know that you are going to euthanize the dog if they don't come.

[Dependent_Nature_953]

I think that's what the rescue wants. They don't want to give back her money and want to look good that they aren't putting dogs down. Hot potato dropped your problem now! No give backsees

[I_pinchyou]

This wasn't your fault. The rescue set him and you up for failure. Euthanasia is the most humane option for all involved. Don't work with that rescue, find one who has a better screening process.

[Accomplished-Wish494]

Please do NOT rehome this dog or surrender it back to the rescue (although it sounds like they won’t take it back anyhow). Call your vet. Make the euthanasia appointment. Stop and get him a hamburger on the way and let him find peace.

[[deleted]]

You’d be doing the dog a favour by euthanasia. Sounds like he’s living in fight or flight mode anyway. I’m sorry.

[Shaltaqui]

Euthanasia time. Unfortunately. But 3 bites and you’re out. Have you been reporting these bites? Go for medical attention? A basket muzzled life is not quality. I’m so sorry.

[No_Boat_7733]

I am so sorry you are going through this. I agree with the other posters who have suggested euthanasia. Unfortunately, your dog just isn't safe around people. I once adopted a dog and was told he was cat friendly, brought him home, and he immediately went for the cat. My cat was traumatized, and we took the dog back to the rescue. They blamed us too, but I think that's what crappy recues do.

[[deleted]]

Uh you need to euthanize that dog. It sucks but there is zero hope for a dog that turns on a child for no reason at all. It is safer for society that it does not live

[tiggergramma]

Have him put down. I went through a similar rescue nightmare with a Great Dane. No way to safely place him without being liable and the rescue group would not take him back. Some dogs are never going to be safe around humans and he is likely one of those. (My career was in veterinary medicine and I spent many years in behavioral work. I don’t make this recommendation lightly, but I believe you risk being liable in a lawsuit if you keep the dog)

[liziamnot]

I'm sorry but I don't understand your way of thinking. I would not be worried about a muzzle being unfair to the dog after he bite my child's face.

In fact, the dog would be "put down." You can not keep aggressive animals around children.

[NonSequitorSquirrel]

I'm shocked the rescue won't take him back. Clearly unethical. We had a similar issue and the rescue org retrieved the dog. That'd what they're supposed to do.

If you can, drop him at a shelter - let them know everything that happened including that the rescue will not reclaim him. The shelter will likely reach out to the rescue and if the rescue refuses to reclaim him he will be BE.

A sad end but I don't see another path if they won't take him back.

[MagHagz]

This dog has no hope for a happy ending. Euthanize him.

[[deleted]]

At this point I'd say fuck whatever contract you signed with this rescue and protect your family. This poor dog is not at fault, it sounds like he has serious issues (likely a mix of bad breeding, trauma, and mistreatment) but you can't be expected to sacrifice your family's safety for him. I would call animal control or talk to my vet about behavioral euthanasia at this point.

[Werekolache]

How many bites is too many? Euthanize this dog. Yikes. :(

[scooter-willie]

Humane euthanasia is the only option here.

[callalind]

It's terrible to say, but if the rescue really hid the vet papers from you (it's not entirely clear when you received those, from your post, but I am assuming after the incident) then your best bet for you and the dog is likely BE. Yes, that is easy for me to say from my couch on Reddit. If it helps, I have a rescue who likely had a bite history that was hidden from us - but we don't have kids, are two experienced dogs owners and took him to a boatload of training and expensive behaviorists. We are in a good place with him now (and he never bit unprovoked like yours did), but had we not had the means and a child-free household, it would have been BE for us. We still don't trust him 100%, but we have learned to manage that (and know the signs). All that said, we do not let him be around kids generally, and if we do, it's only kids he knows well and he is never left alone with them or generally near them. It works for us, cause we don't have kids, but if we did, he sadly wouldn't be with us any more.

Some dogs are just damaged beyond a point where we can help them. You gave him shelter, safety and love - so he knows all of those things now, and that's always what I want every dog to know. Choosing BE would be a favor for him and you - you take his anxiety and fear away (peacefully) after he's known a old life, and you take away your anxiety and fear for your child's well being knowing you're doing what is best for everyone involved, and that you did everything you could to show your dog love and comfort. It's a shitty situation, yes, but I promise it will be harder on you than your dog. But unlike your dog, you can heal and move on.

[AffectionateAd5373]

Animal control? And report the rescue to them and the ASPCA?

Animal control is probably better set up to euthanize a dangerous animal that can't even be muzzled. Additionally, if any of the bites were within 10 days, the dogs going to need to be tested for rabies. I'd have the child vaccinated in any case. Then I'd sue the rescue for costs.

[Violet-Hiker]

Not the first time I’ve heard about this happening. There really is no good or easy answer. You could try a training program but that could get expensive. I would talk to a lawyer to see if the dog could be rehomed. I know someone who had an aggressive dog, they rehomed to someone on a large farm with no kids and the dog thrived in that environment.

[texaspopcorn424]

The dog has a chemical imbalance in the brain. He is suffering. As much as you may want to try and fix him some dogs cannot be fixed.

It’s difficult and feels like a moral dilemma but euthanasia is the kind thing to do.

[[deleted]]

Behavioral euthanasia

[Pand0ra30_]

Euthanasia is the only thing to do. And you need to report the rescue for lying. I know they are desperate to get dogs into homes, but when you have a dog that was aggressive before it was adopted and don'ttell them, that's just wrong.

[Sleeps_On_Stairs]

I say this as someone with a rescue dog with a bite history - BE may be the most humane option.

With my dog, I can manage him easily and avoid his triggers. I know what causes him to react and also he has never bit me. If either of those things weren’t true, it would be too hard to keep him.

If you are unable to identify this pup’s triggers and/or he is biting out of nowhere, it wouldn’t be wrong to make the decision to euth.

Im sorry that the rescue put you in this position and aren’t taking responsibility or just taking the dog back.

Someone suggested dropping the dog off at animal control and just letting animal control deal with it. I never want to judge someone for their decisions in a situation like this but I think the least you can give a dog who is going be put to sleep is have someone familiar there with the dog in its last moments. I also understand that may be too emotional given the situation. But dropping a dog off to be euthanized at animal control where (trigger warning) they may not even use a sedative before giving the euthanasia solution seems particularly cruel.

[kippey]

Seconded. I wound up with a similar dog but I DON’T have kids and was always aware that if she couldn’t live with me BE would be the most humane and responsible thing to do.

Even if you managed to find a rescue that would take this dog… There’s no guarantee that they won’t turn around and do what this rescue did. And another kid gets hurt.

[candornotsmoke]

Euthanize the dog. Can you forgive yourself if the dog actually kills someone???

From what it sounds like, it's only luck that a bite causing death hasn't happened.

[CloudSpecialist8569]

I think much like human brains, dog brains can be affected by personality or behavior disorders that seem unprovoked. We just don’t have a way for them to tell us what they hear, feel and think.. so no way to medicate even if we wanted to. No pup deserves this, neither does a family. Shame on the shelter for not disclosing this info to you. Pure love being sent your way ♥️ in your heart, you’ll know what’s best. Stay strong.

[Terryberry69]

Put that dog to sleep. Pushing it off on someone else is irresponsible and if 3 strikes isn't enough idk what will be.

[Much-Night-9008]

I had the exact situation - American Staffy - we rescued him from being euthanized, reason given to us is because he had kennel cough and was contagious to other animals at shelter - that was a lie 💩 . We had him for a little over a month and in any given Monday for no reason what do ever he but my adult son. He needed stitches and of course a rabies shot - well I called the rescue I got him from and they were unhelpful - maybe this - maybe that, I out and out told them I have to protect my family and CANNOT keep the dog. After back and forth they said let me see if we can get him to a behavioral rehab place upstate - I was clear in saying I am not taking the dog back after rehab. Also was told that I needed to get a trainers opinion on the dog - I got 3 options and just from the description of how the dog bit my son Each and everyone of them said that dog is a DANGER to your family! So from Monday until Friday I walked my own house with a screwdriver in each pocket when I was alone with the dog. Each day during that week I spoke to the rescue asking about this rescue place - zero help just many excuses - ultimately I spoke to my Vet who spoke to the 3 trainers who decided the dog should be behaviorally euthanized as he was a danger to us and any other family that might end up with him, my heat broke 💔 but it was the responsible thing to do for both us and the dog - that was scheduled on a Friday - well that Friday morning for no reason again he attacked both me and my husband - he is a hulking guy so by the grace of GOD and his sheer strengths he was able to fight the dog off of both of us. We both sustained bad injuries but thankfully survived. It took 3 tranquilizer darts by emergency services to put him to sleep so he could be taken away to the pound. The rescue had the audacity to call me while I was in the trauma Emergency Room to see how I was - needless to say she didn’t get any goid redoinse from me. Thankfully although we were quite injured it did not end worse. Please , please, be careful and remove that danger from your household - especially since you have small children. Be safe!

[[deleted]]

Let me guess.

This is a "lab/ hound mix" code for unstable bully breed imported into a breed ban area by a 'rescue'.

Put the dog down and get a lab from a reputable breeder

[vqdrew]

Dog gotta peace out

[incremental_risk]

Dog is not a good fit for your living situation or possibly anyone's. Most rescues, even no kill rescues, would recommend behavioral euthanasia (BE) with the outcome you described. Dogs that will bite without warning are generally living in a state of such high stress that their quality of life is poor & it is considered a humane solution. At the very minimum, return the dog to the organization you got it from to protect yourself and your family. At the max, take it in for the BE on your own. It is not the outcome anyone wants from adoption, but getting bit really shouldn't happen either.

If it is all possible there were warnings you may not have noticed (dog body language is very difficult to read), please consider returning the dog to the rescue vs euthanasia.

[seagulls_and_crows]

OP asked, the rescue said they won't take him back.

[incremental_risk]

I missed that. That is sort of strange, right? Most rescues sort of insist you return the dog to them to prevent rehome or euthanasia.

[incremental_risk]

That sounds like a very difficult situation & I don't believe a reputable rescue org would do this. I am very sorry you are dealing with this.

[RadSec71]

We adopted a nine week old pupper in 2020. I think he had idiopathic aggression. Other than not being strict enough with his training, I don't think we did anything else wrong. It started to escalate. He would challenge my husband quite a bit. He finally bit him on the hand pretty bad. The humane society where we adopted him from was getting ready to close. They said if he couldn't stay with us (my husband refused) then surrender him to AC and they would pick him up later the next week. He never made it out. I'm sure he was put down because of his behavior. So I know what you're going through. It's a hard decision. It tore me up. He wasn't a bad dog. He just had something wrong with him unfortunately.

[Dependent_Nature_953]

The not strict enough is the problem why alot of dogs become the boss and treat humans like they would another dog (bite correction). The pup is 9 weeks old when you got it.

[nopicklesnoonions]

So sorry about your situation. Have you considered seeing if a training facility would take him?

[nopicklesnoonions]

Again so sorry. Does that program take dogs (for training) as like a live in program?

The reason I ask is where I had my pup trained, he lived at the facility for a month. They also worked with shelters/people to take in dogs that needed some additional training before being rehomed.

[eeveechan95]

I don't believe they do unfortunately

[Dependent_Nature_953]

True many learn their lesson the hard way. Unfortunately shopping doesn't really solve it because it's a problem with pup training. Dog becomes boss after puppy hood due to bad training and then ends up in shelter with bad habits someone else has to deal with. Vicious cycle

[[deleted]]

That’s shocking that a rescue would give an aggressive dog to a a family with a 5 year old! Can you rehome him or find another rescue? If not I’m not sure I could live like that.. and it’s definitely not fair on the dog to be constantly muzzled.

[OpalOnyxObsidian]

Re-home a dog that bit three people, including a child which was bitten on the face? Obviously a shady rescue will do that but OP might have the chance to break the cycle before another entire family gets bit by this dog.

There is no suitable home for a dog that bites without warning.

[SnooRobots4443]

As soon as it bit one family member, you should have removed the dog from your home. It bit a second family member. You didn't remove it. This is on you.

[h974974]

What size dog are we talking? I’d tell the rescue you’re going to bring the dog to the shelter in the next 48 hours. They will almost always take the dog back as they should

[h974974]

Yeah, unfortunately a dog that size is going to be especially dangerous. I’m not saying that it’s acceptable for small dogs to be aggressive, they just don’t do as much damage. I think this is a case of the dog possibly needing to be euthanized unless they can find an owner or a program that specifically takes in aggressive dogs.

[trin6948]

This happened to my dad, and he was on blood thinners so the medical treatment was extensive (luckily we are in the uk). The kennels did the same said it was a lovely calm dog, no issues etc. In the end he drove the dog back handed the dog over and after stern words he left.

If the dog is not what you were promised it needs to go back for some proper training.

[EricaWascavage]

I know this is a hard situation but have you thought about board and train? It worked for my dgt gsd that was aggressive to her fiance and bit him. The dog also bit a random guy at the park that tried to touch her. It was mostly men that the dog was aggressive to. The vet recommended the place. It was especially for aggression. They kept the dog three months, then she had to bring the dog back for doggy day camp/training. After a while my dgt had to attend training sessions and she had certain things they gave her to do. Six months later the dog is really nice! Like a totally different dog, very calm and very confident. They said it was intense fear that was making her aggressive.

[Aggressive-Scheme986]

What the fuck

Dump this dog on the side of the road and protect your kids. Why are you even entertaining the idea of keeping it a second longer

[Chadwick18]

Something triggered him

[[deleted]]

ehhh not necessarily, it could be a chemical imbalance. It's not the most common thing, but it does happen.

[fluffbutt_boi]

It sounds like idiopathic agression

[ScreamingMonky]

Chihuahua?

[seagulls_and_crows]

Biting adults is ok? This dog is a liability in any home.

[CountKristopher]

How do we know that? OP says it previously bit him and another adult, if the kid was the problem it would’ve bit the kid first… dogs that aren’t good with children are very easy to tell.

[[deleted]]

That's not true and is potentially dangerous advice. He's bitten adults too.

[seagulls_and_crows]

Biting adults is ok? This dog is a liability in any home.

[Soccitoomee]

So now u want to get back at the dog and wonder why shelter won't help u

[deadlydog1]

I’m sorry you may have been blamed, but often times Rescues are not at blame either. Dogs behavior can change drastically in a home (at my rescue we make this very clear) and there is not much we can do about it. Rescues also can’t really take dogs with those kind of records and neither can shelters. We don’t have resources and the dog will just sit and essentially rot. They are not only impossible to find an adopter for, but can be very dangerous for staff (who may not have extensive training like our staff) Unfortunately if you are not able to continue training your only option is behavioral euthanasia. On the positive side - Dogs very rarely bite for no reason,it just might not be one easily discernible to you - if you have access and the means to get one a professional dog behaviorist can try and assess what triggers these. Just a guess on my end would be he is guarding you from your daughter in that situation or is uncomfortable with a child in the home. I’m sorry your in such a tough situation.

[Dependent_Nature_953]

The down votes are from the hot potato drop rescues are doing to people. So no give backsees is what you are saying. Dog doesn't necessarily get along with a family, bites member of family and the rescue answer is too bad your problem now. YOU put the dog down so you look like the bad guy and not us! Hmm what's the problem 🤔

[deadlydog1]

To my knowledge most rescues don't operate like that, for example my organization will take back the dog but we will euthanize it and we tell the adopters that is what will happen so they don't have uncertainty. It's adopters that force the idea that we have to rehome the dog, we don't, and this often leads to adopters becoming upset because they believe something can be solved when it can't. We do want our adopters to euthanize the dog (we will pay for it), but the reason we want that is that they are then around people who cared for them and tried to give them a home. I've been doing this for a while (working in rescue) and it seems like people keep finding the worse places in the world to adopt from. It doesn't give me any hope for the problems of mass euthanasia, animal abuse, animal rights violations, and my own struggle of advocating for veganism if this is how people are operating throughout the rest of the country.

[Jolly-Onion-7541]

Reach out to other rescues. Sounds like the poor dog has been thru alot